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7398655 No.7398655 [Reply] [Original]

what are you trying to communicate through your writing?

>> No.7398658

>>7398655
ideas

duh

>> No.7398665

>>7398655
vomit

>> No.7398668
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>>7398655
the vacuity of life and angst to be alone

>> No.7398670
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>>7398655
That feeling when no girlfriend

>> No.7398709
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7398709

A color or a flavor

>> No.7398743

Aesthetic Beauty

>> No.7398749

>>7398655
The unnamed and the unnamable.

>> No.7398753

>>7398709
Nice pic.

>> No.7398764

>>7398655
Shit's totally retarded and it sucks.

>> No.7398765

as every description of an artwork published now says, "to juxtapose the sublime and the mundane"

>> No.7398783

>>7398753
Feel free to save it. It will be all yours :)

>> No.7398785

a good story

>> No.7398786

aesthetic mental spaces

I get in these spaces while walking somewhere for a second and then they escape me. they are almost lenses, means of looking out towards the world. I look to communicate these in art.

>> No.7398789

Nothing, using art as a means to an end and not creating it for its own sake is the most detestable moral wrong.
>>7398785
Pleb

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>>7398785

>> No.7398801

I don't know, I just put ideas together in combinations and voices that feel right somehow. It's not always conscious.

>> No.7398807

That I'm a genius and everyone else is an idiot in comparison and that i should asked on late night interviews to cheers and awe for my genius and charm

>> No.7398812

My fetishes.

>> No.7398813

>>7398655

Pæin.

>> No.7398819

>>7398765

>Implying there's a difference

Try mushrooms.

>> No.7398823

Loneliness.

>> No.7398825

>>7398819
I deserved that.

>> No.7398868

>>7398807
is this from the movie "Storytelling?"

>> No.7399124

>>7398655
My vision of the world, using proper words to attract smart-fags while I discourage plebs.

>> No.7399206

>>7398709
i saved this picture

>> No.7399217

Why I put on the Ban(d)ana.

>> No.7399222

A self-perpetuating cycle of self-pity and self-loathing.

>> No.7399226
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7399226

Despair

>> No.7399228

>>7398655
That I've spent a lot of time on 4chan.

>> No.7399239

>>7398655
How undeniable the inability to communicate anything through writing is

>> No.7399255

>>7399206
You fucking little thief, I gave >>7398753
permission to save it not you.

>> No.7399480

>>7398655
The darker realities of this world set against the wistful optimism of our own epistemological limitations and firm belief that unicorns are philosophically possible.

>> No.7399531

>>7398655
Truth and its place in a increasingly virtual world

>> No.7400990
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>>7398823
>>7398670
>>7398668
>>7399226
>>7399222
All these

>> No.7401009

Tastes of feeling / sonder, glimpses of life of a significant other

>> No.7401110

My incredibly niche and deviant fetishes that shape the way I view the world

>> No.7401248

the size of my genitalia

>> No.7401256

that feeling of remembering people you loved while simultaneously viciously feeling their absense and the resulting irresistible impulse to refill the void while intensely being aware that any success you have in doing so it will inevitably end in the same painful, loss-loss way

so like a kind of hyperhormonal, compulsive emotional masochism.

>> No.7401303

>>7398749
>>7399239

hi beckett

>>7398709

hi mr. futility

>>7398764

hi /lit/

>>7398670
>>7398668
>>7398823
>>7399222

hi underground man

>>7398785

hi genre pleb

>>7398786

hi poetry

>>7398801

hi burroughs

>>7398807

hi dfw

>>7398812
>>7401110

hi nabokov

>>7399228

hi tao lin

>>7399531

hi neal

>>7401009

hi balzac

>>7401248

hi hemingway

>> No.7401308

>>7401303
Can you... stop?

>> No.7401310

>>7401308
yes

but i won't

>> No.7401311

The glory of God.

>> No.7401326

Love and reverence for everything.

>> No.7401453

>>7398655
How stories are recycled reality

>> No.7401470
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>>7401308
>writes a well thought out post contributing to the over all sense of community on /lit/
>gets asked to stop
>person who asks him to stop doesn't know how to use elipses correctly
ayy lmao

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>>7401470
I don't really come here for a "sense of community" personally.
I suggest facebook? Or something like that.

I was not aware someone would be pedantic about how liberally I use ellipses but I suppose when people are upset they will try and find holes in anything.

>> No.7401490

I'm trying to point to the often-neglected beauty of everyday life.

>> No.7401492

>>7401488
>anime

ew go back to your containment board

>> No.7401496

>>7401308

Just hide the fucking post

>> No.7401501

>>7401492
After posting a warhammer picture,
you can not talk.
Aside from that, it was a joke.

>> No.7401506
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>>7401501
???

do you think you and the warhammer guy are the only two people on /lit/???

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>>7401506
Yes.

>> No.7401529

The horror of existing

>> No.7401533
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7401533

I'm trying to communicate money to my bank account.

>> No.7401543

>>7401311
hi kierks

>>7401326
hi hesse

>>7401453
hi kaufman

>>7401490
hi carver

>>7401533
hi dickens

>>7401529
hi kafka

>> No.7401611

>>7401543

this is cracking me up. do me:

that life is not a serious endeavor, and the blending of childhood and serious thought

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>>7401543
>hi hesse
T-thank you

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>>7398655

>> No.7401690

I'm trying to communicate misunderstandings between human beings.

>> No.7401720

>>7398655
The difficulty of the transition from devout Mormon to nihilism.

>muh emotions

>> No.7401722

>>7398655
I'm trying to answer the question of whether a charismatic/likeable protag seeking his own dream at the expense of others would drive an audience to hate that character.

>> No.7401723

>>7401543
You clearly have not read Hesse. Well maybe you've read and greatly misunderstood Siddhartha.

>> No.7401740

>>7398655
That I can never really communicate through my writing

>> No.7401743

>>7401723
>and greatly misunderstood
What

>> No.7401759

That the oppressors are always oppressing the weak and good people almost never win.

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>>7401743
Blushing buds
erupt from thawing trees
And we all remember our joys

What the fuck did you just say about me?

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7401797

>>7398655
Mono No Aware

>> No.7401827

>>7401759
It's almost 2016

>> No.7401861

>>7401797
Me too. What have you read that you feel "gets it".

Also trying to communicate other Buddhist/Taoist ideas of impermanence.

>> No.7401889

>>7401797
>>7401861

This is me:
>>7401326

I'd like to know the same thing. I have a hard time explaining things that I feel that I can't articulate with words. I need some guidance from like-minded individuals.

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>>7401256 +
>>7401690 +
a mature, nuanced understanding of childhood and the harsh introduction of innocence into an established and painful world (the Where the Wild Things Are book and movie are huge inspirations of mine) +
literal communication with other people, such that someone would read something I wrote and ask to have a conversation that I wouldn't have otherwise had

>> No.7401899

>>7401743
I think you should reread Siddhartha if that is what you took away from it. You should also read more than just one work by another before you make such sweeping generalizations about them.

>> No.7401901

that the journey is shitty and gay and what really matters is your destination

>> No.7401903

>>7401899
*by an author

No clue how I managed that, but I'll blame it on being tired

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>>7401861
>>7401889
Nothing yet. Probably the closest in style would be Proust's Overture in In Search of Lost Time, Joyce's The Dead and parts of Portrait (have yet to read Ulysses), and the beginning of Woolf's To the Lighthouse (only thing I have read by her).

The main thing I see in this is that stream of consciousness is probably the closest thing to really catching how feelings relate to time. You dont do time skips, you focus on small moments and go over them very slowly.

Salinger too but for different reasons. His stories stay in one place and move slowly and his characters actually talk pseudo-philosophically.

But honestly, nothing I have read so far really gets that feeling. Only a few gems here or there. The closest is probably Joyce's The Dead. The shift in tone and feeling once they get to that apartment is just too good.

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>>7401889
>>7401861
>>7401907
I should also note that for me philosophy plays a very big role in works of literature being able to pull off their themes, especially one like Mono No Aware.

It wouldnt be enough to make me experience the feeling of mono no aware when it is apparent and moving

That might just be me though. And just reading a book that made me feel it but not think would still be a wonder.

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>>7401907
>>7401912

I feel it with your stream of consciousness comment. Have you read the essay In Praise of Shadows? It's a neat little essay about Japanese aesthetics and the like. The dude's got some great short stories, too.

I'll check out The Dead. I've only read one story from Dubliner's and, now that I think about it, I did get a little mono no aware feeling.
I'm also planning to pick up Snow Country by Kawabata.
I think the real challenge for me is translating mono no aware into an authentic American version (where I'm from), not just pulling in foreign ideas.

>> No.7401943

That I understood roughly 70% of the course material covered up until this point

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>>7401929
No I havent, I'll read that right now if I can find that.

Also I should have said, the obvious answer to your question was Japanese authors, but I havent read that many because I am suspicious of the translations. I read Dazai's No Longer Human and utterly hated it, and wondered if anything had been lost in translation that could redeem it. I should really focus on reading Japanese literature though, I'm sure it is there if no where else.

And as far as translating it to America (where I am also from) it shouldnt be too hard. People in the west have been thinking of time and mortality in similar ways, the feeling of nostalgia probably being the biggest one, it just isnt emphasized as this constant perspective and feeling like mono no aware is, and obviously nostalgia is focused on longing for the past whereas mono no aware is more about impermanence in general

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7401959

That it's okay to be lonely, that no one has the right to tell you that you shouldn't be lonely. But, that you don't stand a chance at ever not being lonely unless you will yourself out of bed in the mornings and force yourself to connect with other human beings, or at least try to connect with them.

I want to convey that lonely people can find each other, and for a little bit, they can feel just a little less lonely.

I'm worried it's just coming out like a YA novel though. Oh well, I like it.

>> No.7401964

>>7398753
Save it, it's all yours my friend.

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>>7401929
Looking at this essay now, any essays that focus on mono no aware in literature you know of?

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>>7401947
>>7401966

I wish I knew of an essay that was more mono-no-aware-centered. I read a lot of buddhist texts and such, particularly zen stuff, and that really helps.

Americans already dwell on the past and love writng/reading about nostalgia - probably related to being uprooted from any "home country" - but it's usually portrayed too sad or too happy for me. The japanese idea is much much subtler and spiritual.

I think "slice of life" is becoming more and more popular here, but it rarely comes off as spiritual or profound. That's what I'm struggling with, i think.

Do you read William Carlos Williams? He's got a very American style that also reminds me of, like basho or something.

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>> No.7401990

questioning morality using sympathy

>> No.7401995

Thank you OP for a fun question.

>> No.7401996

It can only be the writing. If you don't know your words, don't play magick with them.

>> No.7402033

>>7398655
That my autism is sexable.

>> No.7402096

>>7401899
What are you even talking about. That's basically what Siddhartha comes down to. Although, you have to really relate to the character to realize it.

>> No.7402127

>>7398709
>>7398753
>>7398783
>>7399255

FUCKIN SPOOKY family, last night I went on the "wallpapers" board of 4chan for literally the first and only time in my life and one of the threads halfway thru th catalog was one on mobile wallpapers and I saved that and made it mine. And now here we are. It's a cool photo indeed and I'd just like for everyone to take a moment and sit back and just look at it and tell my why specifically it is

>> No.7402149

>>7398709
just made this my phone background. thanks bud

>> No.7402162

Life is pointless.

My stories have characters who either observe this point throughout or kill themselves when they do.

My music is lyricless but I try to make it really funny sounding to get the message across.

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>>7401488

>inb4 you win the argument because I'm only posting a meme against your opinion

>> No.7402564

The irreversible process of entropy in all of its forms.

>> No.7402572

>>7401723
>implying steppenwolfe and narcissus and goldmund weren't precisely rooted in learning to love life

i've never read siddhartha fαm

>> No.7402575

If you asked me what my message was, I guess I would just shrug and say nothing.

That's just because my real message is that life is a piece of shit, most all humans are terrible people deep down, and assholes end up ruining everything and coming out on top somehow.

Not really a message most people want to hear.

>> No.7402582

I'm tying to communicate the impossibility of true communication in the face of insurmountable barriers.

>> No.7402598

>>7401611

hi joyce

>>7401690
hi austen

>>7401722

hi person asking a question with an obvious answer

>>7401740
hi beckett

>>7401759
hi foucault

>>7401901
hi scrooge

>>7401943
hi wittgenstein

>>7402162
hi camus

>>7402564
hi pynchon

>> No.7402651

>>7402127
Pink is a warm and pleasing color.

>> No.7402675

>>7402575

Boy that's an awfully hot take you got there

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>>7399222
>A self-perpetuating cycle of self-pity and self-loathing

>> No.7402684

>>7402598
Camus didn't think life was pointless.

He just thought it was objectively meaningless. You could always rebel against that and formulate your own value system - he was even agnostic towards the possibility of a God.

>> No.7402685

nothing really, what do I know about anything?
I just want to make people laugh, hopefully.

>> No.7402690

>>7402684
tell me, what is the difference between life being meaningless and pointless? functionally.

>> No.7402691

what it is to be human

>> No.7402709

>>7402690
Rebellion: crucially, that you can invent your own point DESPITE circumstance. The man's philosophy (well, really, just an amalgamation of various existential thought or thinkers as he would say in Sysiphys) can be read quite optimistically. Camus never says life has no meaning, he just say that meaning has, so far, never been made apparent to us, and our response should be to create our own - which is the absurd, the paradox between the SEEMINGLY meaningless existence, and the continual meaning we find in life. He talks often of the beauty of the natural world, the bosoms of beautiful women, the feeling of sand and sun in a poetic fashion for a philosophical point - life, as mute as that bitch is, can entrance us always still in her sights and sounds.

That is why we should "imagine Sisyphus happy", because even in the eternal rolling of a stone, we can enjoy the felted touch of moss on our fingers.

>> No.7402711

That making errors is beneficial to our species

>> No.7403219

>>7402582
And how do you hope to communicate that?

>> No.7403223

>>7402598
>hi austen

the fuck

>> No.7403956

>>7402691
holy shit this

>> No.7404022

>>7402691
>>7403956
guys that is so profund

>> No.7404040

my struggle

>> No.7404061
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Fun escapism

>> No.7404072
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>>7398655
nothing

>> No.7404133

It's hard to say, really, but mainly I'm just exploring the multifarious concepts and cultural ingredients that constitute the average modern male's milieu in a world where socially nihilism and, paradoxically, hyper-vigilance are on such a parallel rise towards a vertical horizon that we all can make out if we squint hard enough but never can reach as if we're swiping away at an asymptotic piece of meat dangling in front of our tread-mill imprisoned faces.

>> No.7404137

dankmemes.floppydisk

>> No.7404144

>>7402598

hi wallace

>> No.7404502

>>7404040
fuck off /pol/

>> No.7404514

>>7401507
To be quite honest bludgeoning angel is pretty /lit/ to be honest, to be honest.

>> No.7404532

>>7403219

Imperfectly.

>> No.7404533

>>7402685

hi seinfeld

>>7402691

hi captain obvious

>>7402711

hi minions franchise

>>7404040

hi edgy memer

>>7404061

hi rowling

>>7404133

hi delillo

>>7404137

hi tao lin

>>7404144

hi

>> No.7404535

>>7398655
The glory of Hitler WOTAN.

>> No.7404546

>>7402709
that's not a difference between meaninglessness and pointlessness

i understand the difference between the idea that if there is meaning it might inaccessible to us but it can still exist. something you can never know or interact with is, for all intents and purposes, non existence. so what is your objection again???

>> No.7404573

>>7404133
>>7404533
delillo deserves better than this, this is more like palahniuk.

>> No.7404578

>>7402691
>>7403956
>>7404022
ground breaking.

>> No.7404580

>>7404573
i took him at his word that he's investigating the context for the modern male and not just the actual people but he very may well be palahniuk

>> No.7404596

That people are complex, irrational, and far less 'normal' than they would like to pretend, and because of this, human interaction is as beautiful as it is tragic.

>> No.7404597

>>7399480
>no one has done your unicorn one yet


someone please, tell me I'm a faggot quick

>> No.7404602

that the only constants in existence are hardship and violence, and it is only through these in all their forms that the universe exists at all.

>> No.7404604

>>7404596
>Faggot Alert

>> No.7404605

>>7404546
You're confusing subjective meaning and objective meaning.

You also type in the most aggravating fashion possible.

>> No.7404606

>>7404597
You are as straight as an arrow

>> No.7404608

I just want to repackage other peoples ideas and sell them as my own to ignorant people.

>> No.7404612

>>7404604
on uoy

>> No.7404622

my life and my mind twisting

>> No.7404655

>>7404605
>You're confusing subjective meaning and objective meaning.

no i'm not, i just don't accept that because individuals can make their own meaning that makes life not-meaningless or not-pointless. was that the entirety of your objection then?

>You also type in the most aggravating fashion possible.

sorry grandpa

>> No.7404666

>>7404655
Well, yes, that's kind of the running theme of most Existentialist thought since Kierkergaard.

>> No.7404684

>>7404533
stop. you're not half as good as the first guy.

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>>7404684
>mfw i am the first guy

i peaked early in life

>> No.7405116

>>7404689
>>7404689
go on

>> No.7405123

>>7405116
there's only four new people im waiting for some more to come around

>> No.7405130

I've always been interested in writing something about how people create meaning in social relationships, political beliefs ex cetera.

>> No.7405174

There is hardly a correct answer. We must center ourselves and take all things in moderately.

>> No.7405196

>>7405123
what about me? >>7401891

>> No.7405221

>>7405196
the longer the posts get the harder it is, because you don't fit into a meme as easily but then again


hi proust

>> No.7405263

>>7405221
Me? >>7405174

>> No.7405340

>>7405174
hi siddhartha

>> No.7406393

>>7398655
fun.

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>>7405221
hey thanks now I feel validated

>> No.7407525

That all of experience is living.

>> No.7407596

A criticism of sharia law

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>>7407525
livin' it up with severe depression

>> No.7408300

>>7401303
>>7401543
>>7402598
>>7404533

Can this please stop?

>> No.7408315

That I'm not banned anymore.

>> No.7408317

>>7407525
H-Hegel is t-that you?

>> No.7408322

>>7408300
i never meant to continue seeing as to how the thread died, but thanks for bumping i will continue shortly.

>> No.7408337

>>7408322
Sometime in the future you may feel embarassed by all the things you posted here thinking you were funny or clever. Why not save yourself that?
It is also annoying for other people who come here for a bit before sleeping. If you really need to, there are other websites where you can pretend to be more intelligent than you are. It would be preferable if you went to those websites.

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>>7408317
Well, guess Phenomenology of Spirit is going in the backlog now.

>> No.7408358

>>7408337
hi bloom

>> No.7408363

I am trying to reprogram my mind into that of a sociopath, so I can live the easy life.

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7408372

We intend to sing the love of danger, the habit of energy and fearlessness.

Courage, audacity, and revolt will be essential elements of our poetry.

Up to now literature has exalted a pensive immobility, ecstasy, and sleep. We intend to exalt aggresive action, a feverish insomnia, the racer’s stride, the mortal leap, the punch and the slap.

We affirm that the world’s magnificence has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. A racing car whose hood is adorned with great pipes, like serpents of explosive breath—a roaring car that seems to ride on grapeshot is more beautiful than the Victory of Samothrace.

We want to hymn the man at the wheel, who hurls the lance of his spirit across the Earth, along the circle of its orbit.

The poet must spend himself with ardor, splendor, and generosity, to swell the enthusiastic fervor of the primordial elements.

Except in struggle, there is no more beauty. No work without an aggressive character can be a masterpiece. Poetry must be conceived as a violent attack on unknown forces, to reduce and prostrate them before man.

We stand on the last promontory of the centuries!... Why should we look back, when what we want is to break down the mysterious doors of the Impossible? Time and Space died yesterday. We already live in the absolute, because we have created eternal, omnipresent speed.

We will glorify war—the world’s only hygiene—militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of freedom-bringers, beautiful ideas worth dying for, and scorn for woman.

We will destroy the museums, libraries, academies of every kind, will fight moralism, feminism, every opportunistic or utilitarian cowardice.

We will sing of great crowds excited by work, by pleasure, and by riot; we will sing of the multicolored, polyphonic tides of revolution in the modern capitals; we will sing of the vibrant nightly fervor of arsenals and shipyards blazing with violent electric moons; greedy railway stations that devour smoke-plumed serpents; factories hung on clouds by the crooked lines of their smoke; bridges that stride the rivers like giant gymnasts, flashing in the sun with a glitter of knives; adventurous steamers that sniff the horizon; deep-chested locomotives whose wheels paw the tracks like the hooves of enormous steel horses bridled by tubing; and the sleek flight of planes whose propellers chatter in the wind like banners and seem to cheer like an enthusiastic crowd.

>> No.7408375

>>7408337
im trying to recommend authors to people senpai. if you disagree with me you can suggest what author you think the poster would like more. it literally does not affect you in any way whatsoever, your annoyance is unwarranted.

>It is also annoying for other people who come here for a bit before sleeping.

boo hoo. hide the thread.

>> No.7408396

>>7408375
>im trying to recommend authors to people senpai
Those authors are already known to most.
If they want recommendations, they will ask.
I go here specifically because I was interested in what people said here in the past,
but if the posts are all like yours, I will no longer wish to return here, so in that way it does affect me.

>> No.7408399

what i'm trying to communicate is for the reader to decide

LOL

>> No.7408401

>>7408372
Is this Italian futurism or something?

>> No.7408420

>>7408396
>5 posts out of 160 trigger me
>i do not know how to scroll down whenever i see a bunch of arrows and a bunch of his

i hope you can appreciate why i have so little sympathy for your request

>> No.7408426

>>7408401
Yes.
It is an excerpt from a translation of Manifesto del Futurismo, written by Marinetti.

>> No.7408436

>>7408420
You admit your posts are bad but that you should be allowed to make them anyway?
There was a time on this website when profanities and insults would be flung at anyone who posted as you do. Perhaps we should return to that.

>> No.7408460

>>7408436
>You admit your posts are bad but that you should be allowed to make them anyway?
>muh 4chan is dead

where did i admit my posts where bad.

i don't 'think' i should be allowed. i am allowed.

you can insult me instead of putting on your tryhard, condescending affectation. you'll feel better.

>> No.7408462

>>7408353
You shouldn't self harm anon.

>> No.7408471

>>7408460
Okay.
Go back to reddit, you pseudo-intellectual piece of shit.

>> No.7408475

>>7408471
let it all out anon

>> No.7408514

>>7408358
good one

>> No.7408521

>>7408337
>I, too, feel embarrassment about what I shitpost on an impermanent, anonymous hentai board
>lel

>> No.7408661

>>7408436
>This can't be happening! I am in charge here!

>> No.7408736

If memes are real then why is cats not real

>> No.7409515

>>7398655
Something emotionally equivalent to Adele's "Hello."

>> No.7409861

>>7398655
Jokes. I write jokebooks.

>> No.7409904

>>7398655
Imagination
A vision
Stylish tropes
Idealism
Hope
Commentary
The wrongness of certain things
The rightness of certain things
The art of storytelling
Beauty
And love for all these things

>> No.7410117

>>7409861
share one

>> No.7411510

>>7398655

Trying to get your mother to wrap her pussy lips around my dick, OP.

>> No.7411530

>>7409904

HOW CAN ANYTHING BE RIGHT OR WRONG IF EVERYTHING IS JUST A HUMAN-MADE CONSTRUCT???

>> No.7411586

>>7411530
Go to bed, Jaden

>> No.7411639

Depth and loneliness mostly.