Death of the literature curriculum

[Anonymous No.7388758]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVNUDN_P3E

Does /lit/ think this is accurate?

If so, what is to be done about it?

[Anonymous No.7388761]

>>7388758
We already talked about this. Check the archive before making duplicate posts.

[Anonymous No.7388763]

>>7388761
No. I want to have this discussion right now.

[Anonymous No.7388777]

>>7388763
>No. I want to be autistic right now.

[Anonymous No.7388782]

>>7388777
Autist vs. autist.

[Anonymous No.7388802]

Doesn't everyone read Shakespeare in high school? The notion that someone would get an English degree without reading a single word of The Bard is absurd.

[Anonymous No.7388819]

>>7388758
Most people on /lit/ don't mind this; it's the board with the lowest confirmed IQ, after all.

[Anonymous No.7388827]

>>7388819
It's because you bring our average down so low. Please leave.

[Anonymous No.7388834]

>>7388827
fucking obliterated

[Anonymous No.7388853]

>>7388819

[Anonymous No.7388854]

Cultural Marxism is real. That is true. But it is NOT JEWISH.

No one from the Frankfurt School was Jewish, and Critical Theory has NOTHING to do with Judaism. Critical Theory preaches the polar opposite of what Jews believe, therefore it is not Jewish but anti-Jewish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0KwdtCmvWg

[Anonymous No.7389077]

>>7388758
>Does /lit/ think this is accurate?
No.
>If so, what is to be done about it?
Nothing.

[Anonymous No.7389083]

>>7388854

[Anonymous No.7389092]

>>7388854
it's like, walter benjamin being into kaballah and using it in his writings means... critical theory somehow has nothing to do with judaism.

[Anonymous No.7389098]

>>7389092
>I don't understand what critical theory is but people on /pol/ told me it was evil and had to do with SJWs!

[Anonymous No.7389107]

>>7388854
>it's tradition, it must be good

[not op No.7389270]

>>7388758
>Prager University

Topkek Op

[Anonymous No.7389296]

>>7389270
What is wrong with Preger University?

[Anonymous No.7389299]

>>7389296
Well there's an "a' in Prager, not an "e".

[Anonymous No.7389317]

>>7388758

>Woman
>Being right about literature ever

[Anonymous No.7389473]

>>7389270
What's wrong with Prager University?

[Anonymous No.7389480]

Are there any other countries where gender studies (and other retarded classes) are a thing ?

[Anonymous No.7389484]

>>7389480
It's essentially a progressive theology.

[not op No.7389491]

>>7389296
>>7389473

PragerU was founded by Dennis Prager to lend credibility to his shockjock ramblings. The videos are always bad, and generally unfounded on anything other than /pol/tier conspiracies.

[Anonymous No.7389497]

>>7389491
Ah, thanks anon, I had no idea. Never heard of it, and for a second there thought it was an actual (you know) university with a campus and all.

[Anonymous No.7390276]

>>7389497
Or maybe it is, and he's just a shilling jew.

In my experience OP, and iv'e been in an unique position to see - this is in fact the case. Many countries in europe. And of course in the states.

Authoritarianism by the youth. Lenin would be proud.

[Anonymous No.7390281]

>>7389480
yes... the rest of the western world. also south america and the maghreb.

[Anonymous No.7390723]

>>7389480
Yes. Germany and France.

[Anonymous No.7390733]

>>7390723
Def. Netherlands too.

[Anonymous No.7390740]

>>7389107
>it's tradition, it must be bad
>it's "progressive", it must be good
Etc

[Anonymous No.7390743]

>great humanist tradition

Ya, political correctness sucks so bad... so let's revive humanism

ummmm does this lady realize what she despises should be humanism

[Anonymous No.7390754]

Truth is just whatever your peers will let you get away with saying. There are no objective truths, only subjective opinions. Reality is what we perceive which is just a social construction

[Anonymous No.7390764]

Can't stand this Prager Uni shit.

Yes, Shakespeare should be required in the curriculum of an English program, however, these other courses are geared toward making one a more well-rounded, open individual, exposing students to ideas and schools of thought which have had major impact on many fields of study, including English.

There's nothing wrong with requiring these courses which have shaped English in that a lot of lit is impacted and created through cultural influences. Shakespeare is also quite vital, even more than these other courses. However, both should be required to instill a complete understanding of culture in which a lot of literature comes from.

[Anonymous No.7390765]

>>7390743
Conservatives are the ultimate anti-intellectuals.

[Anonymous No.7390787]

>>7390754
kek
This is why humanities students should be required to study something hardscience-related on the side. External reality doesn't give a shit whether you believe it's 'wrong', son. Get dunked on.

[Anonymous No.7390796]

>Prager University is not an accredited academic institution and does not offer certifications or diplomas. But it is a place where you are free to learn.

ayyy lmao
Get fucked OP, Prager's a load of shit.

[Anonymous No.7390804]

>>7390787
Reality is just your phenomenal experience. Your belief in an external reality is no more justified than a creation myth story. In your subjective opinion, external reality is an unconscious entity so of course it doesn't care about anything. That's like pointing out that chairs can't care about anything. But the foundation of your belief is grounded in subjective experience. It's just an opinion

[Anonymous No.7390805]

>>7390804
Yeah, well, opinions can be wrong - objective reality needs to be measured.

[Anonymous No.7390807]

>>7388853
Nice bait image.

[Anonymous No.7390811]

>>7390805
That's your unjustified belief. It's just an opinion.

[Anonymous No.7390812]

>>7390811
That's your unjustified belief. It's just an opinion.

[Anonymous No.7390813]

>>7390812
Glad we agree.

[Anonymous No.7390820]

>>7390813
If you believe that we agree, then that belief is also unjustified.

[Anonymous No.7390831]

>>7390820
Which is also just your subjective opinion.

You only way you can refute my position is by admitting my beliefs are no less rational than yours.

Have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.7390832]

>>7388853

If the chart was real, there would be only about 4 columns: /b/, /s/, /hc/, /gif/ because these are the only ones that actually have enough regular visitors for mean to be useful. On all other boards standard deviation would render the data absolutely useless.

[Anonymous No.7390846]

>>7390811
It's not unjustified. If you think it's unjustified then kill me a Wakkahatta.

[Anonymous No.7390852]

>>7388758
They had something called feminist technoscience at our uneversity.
I live in Sweden btw.

[Anonymous No.7390853]

>>7389491
Went to the "About" page on their website. There is a big, I guess we could call it a testimonial that reads

> We are a home school family with seven kids, that love to watch and learn. I recently registered our school, and asked my 12 year old and 15 year old sons to watch one a day, now they watch two or more a day because they love them.

>Thanks again for providing such a quality service. I cannot contribute much monetarily, but I want you and others to know what a great resource Prager University is. ”

>–Nicoletta P.

Welp. Just a random ensemble of ramblings for home-schooled autists.

[Anonymous No.7390856]

>>7390831
No, there is no way to refute you, but the way to argue against your position is pointing out that your system of thought is utterly useless for making any kind of decision about anything. You might as well go around chanting 'Om' all day. I suggest you read Parmenides.

[Anonymous No.7390861]

>>7388758
My thought here is that these required courses are there to prepare lit majors to be teachers

[Anonymous No.7390868]

>>7390853
Literally Khan Academy is a more thorough education than Prager, why the hell are stupid parents making their kids as stupid as them?

[Anonymous No.7390874]

prager is full of shit but i like their general stance and the subjects they talk about

is there anyone who takes similar stances who isn't also full of shit?

[Anonymous No.7390884]

>>7390852
>feminist technoscience
>Sweden

[Anonymous No.7390899]

>>7390874
Grove City College.

Here's a political science professor speaking on a similar topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyvcNLujUEA

[Anonymous No.7390917]

This video gave me cancer.

[Anonymous No.7390919]

>>7390899
lol

[Anonymous No.7390920]

>>7390899
No you misread his post.
He wants videos from people who aren't completely full of shit.

[Anonymous No.7390936]

>>7390899
I've seen videos made by pretentious art students that made me cringe less than that video.

[Anonymous No.7390947]

>>7390899
Kengor looks very jewwy.

[Anonymous No.7390956]

>>7390874
>I like hearing stupid opinions and conclusions to bolster my faith in my ideology but I want to hear smart people who say it.
>>7390899
>Here you go, someone perhaps worse than PragerU saying even more incendiary, baseless things!

[Anonymous No.7390958]

>>7390743
What can you expect from a program made for indoctrinated homeschooled children that calls itself a "university" to give it some semblance of authority?

[Anonymous No.7390963]

>>7390956
please don't bully people this is a christian forum

[Anonymous No.7390970]

>>7390963
Sorry :(

I know anti-intellectuals get offended easily.

[Anonymous No.7390972]

>>7389092
Benjamin was NOT Jewish and his cultural Marxist writings have nothing to do with authentic Judaism. This is because JUDAISM IS OPPOSED TO MARXISM. No one from the Frankfurt School was Jewish. They were all atheists except for Benjamin who was a satanist.

>>7389107
Real Jews do not promote Marxism or any form of Leftism because we are wise enough to know the evils of Leftism.

Calling the Frankfurt School "Jews" and Critical Theory "Jewish" hurts real Jews, because it makes Gentiles think that Judaism promotes Leftism when it does not. Every time you make these claims you are contributing to antisemitism and Jew-hate. We Orthodox Jews do NOT give Leftists consent to tell us what our religion is.

[Anonymous No.7390977]

It's sad and cringe to see the company you have to keep in questioning the zeitgeist...

I do wish people would stop characterising "cultural studies" as some beleaguered set of underdog, "alternative" views. They are the dominant schools of thought in English departments.

[Anonymous No.7390981]

Ah fuck, when did /lit/ become /pol/ version 2?

[Anonymous No.7390982]

>>7390972
Firstly, everyone here who knows what Critical Theory or the Frankfurt School are realize it isn't some evil monolithic beast created to destroy civilization.

Secondly, no one brought up Judaism but you. /pol/ conflates the two. Go there and defend your religion.

[Anonymous No.7390987]

>>7390981
We really need to stamp out these idiots if we don't want to turn into /sci/.

[Anonymous No.7390990]

>>7390972
>They were all atheists except for Benjamin who was a satanist.
>refer to a Jew
>using a distinctly christian idea of "satan"
You're not one of those toxic "Messianic Jews" are you?

[Anonymous No.7390998]

>>7390981
A lot of people emigrated to /his/

[Anonymous No.7391005]

>>7390982
>Firstly, everyone here who knows what Critical Theory or the Frankfurt School are realize it isn't some evil monolithic beast created to destroy civilization.

It has everything to do with wanting the death of the West.

The whole idea of Critical Theory is to reverse our perceptions of right and wrong. A cultural Marxist does not say right and wrong don't exist. Rather, he says everything that's right is wrong and everything that's wrong is right.

>/pol/ conflates the two. Go there and defend your religion.
I already have. But you and other Gentiles must know that you are contributing to the hatred of real Jews every time you claim the Frankfurt School was "Jewish" or that Critical Theory has anything to do with Judaism or Jewishness, which it does not.

>>7390990
>You're not one of those toxic "Messianic Jews" are you?
No. I am Orthodox.

[Anonymous No.7391009]

>>7391005
No one here brought up Judaism but you. Your crazy ideas and obsessive need to defend your faith shows that you belong on /pol/. You bring nothing of value to this board whatsoever.

Leave.

[Anonymous No.7391012]

>>7390982
Thank god that not everyone ITT is being a complete and utter fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.7391015]

>>7391005
>you claim the Frankfurt School was "Jewish" or that Critical Theory has anything to do with Judaism or Jewishness, which it does not.
>The Art of Loving
>Task of the Translator
>Benjamin's "Theses"
>nothing to do with Judaism
GTFO pls.

[Anonymous No.7391029]

>>7390977
Not to mention most of what's taught in the humanities is liberal, not Marxist.

Gramsci, for example, is heavily whitewashed by humanities professors to sound more like Foucault. In actuality, Gramsci was a revolutionary communist who was writing specifically for revolutionary communists and definitely NOT one of those "check your priv" types.

This woman is more representative of the mindset on college campuses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZlKvdot9a0

Of course, she totes gay marriage and more PoC on mainstream TV as "victories".

[Anonymous No.7391069]

>>7391009
>>7391015
I'm bringing up Judaism because people on this board need to know as much as /pol/ does, probably more.

Benjamin, Fromm and the rest of the Frankfurt School lost every bit of their Jewishness the second they became Marxists. Marxism preaches the polar opposite of what Jews believe. Likewise, the Frankfurt School preached the polar opposite of what Torah teaches.

The bare minimum to be a Jew is to follow the Ten Commandments. Marxism goes against the Ten Commandments by promoting the spread of lies, theft of property, the destruction of the family and the worship of equality over the worship of G-D. This is why "Marxist Jew" is an oxymoron and not a single Leftist is Jewish.

People bring up the fact that Benjamin had knowledge of Kabbalah so he must have been Jewish. This is false. Some of the most evil people who ever lived had knowledge of Kabbalah. In fact, Benjamin sounds almost identical to the long list of "Jews" who studied the Kabbalah without studying Talmud and who claimed either they were Moshiach or could bring Moshiach through evil.

[Anonymous No.7391075]

>>7391069
No fuck off. We don't care what you think.

This board is for the discussion of literature. If you want to talk about Jewish texts, start a new thread. If you want to shoehorn your ideology into everything and act like an idiot, then go on /pol/ because they love that sort of thing.

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.7391078]

>>7391069
>I want to talk about politics on the literature board and teach you guys because I'm enlightened! ;_;
No. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.7391081]

Ok can all /pol/etariats just fuck off back to your /pol/ cave. This is /lit/.

[Anonymous No.7391091]

>>7391069
>Benjamin, Fromm and the rest of the Frankfurt School lost every bit of their Jewishness the second they became Marxists.
Michael Löwy disagrees with you m8.

He even says their Jewishness was very compatible with their "Marxism" (assuming Benjamin was even a Marxist to begin with).

[Anonymous No.7391094]

>>7391069
>>>/trash/
>>>/pol/
This thread should be deleted.

[Anonymous No.7391098]

>>7391029
>>Of course, she totes gay marriage and more PoC on mainstream TV as "victories".
SJWs piss me off, but can you give me a book explaining how to db8 them?

[Anonymous No.7391105]

>>7391091
>>>/pol/
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.7391108]

>>7391098
Start with the Frankfurt School. ;)

[Anonymous No.7391113]

>>7391105
FYI I'm disagreeing with the rabbi.

[Anonymous No.7391120]

>>7391113
I know. Both of you should fuck off to >>>/pol/.

[Anonymous No.7391128]

>>7391069
>>7391113
Both of you, please, go back to /pol/. This is the place for e/lit/es.

[Anonymous No.7391146]

>>7391078
I am talking about literature. The Frankfurt School is responsible for the major shift in the humanities from conservatism to Leftism in the 1960s. How is this not literature?

>>7391091
Lowy is a Leftist idiot.

>He even says their Jewishness was very compatible with their "Marxism"
Judaism is AGAINST Marxism. Not a single Marxist can call himself a "Jew." "Marxist Jews" are pseudo-Jewish who preach the exact opposite of what real Jews believe and practice.

>>7391094
Zizek is a stalinist idiot.

[Anonymous No.7391174]

>>7391128
Cultural Marxism is real.

https://youtu.be/qRGCZqcBi5I?t=4m41s

[Anonymous No.7391183]

>>7391146
>>7391174
>>>/pol/
>>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.7391193]

>>7391183
Cultural Marxism is literally killing us.

[Anonymous No.7391199]

>>7391174
Take your /pol/ trash back to /pol/ where it belongs.

[Anonymous No.7391203]

>>7391193
I hope it kills you at least.

>>>/pol/
>>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.7391211]

>>>/pol/ and >>>/trash/ should redirect to /lit/

[Anonymous No.7391215]

>>7391174
Oh, get fucked. Benjamin wrote about some really fascinating stuff. His stuff on fascism is great.

[Anonymous No.7391237]

>mfw America is currently stuck between going full SJW and going 2000s levels of religious crazy

[Anonymous No.7391240]

>>7391237
>anti-free speech vs. anti-science

[Anonymous No.7391242]

>>7391237
People are reactionaries on both sides.

[Anonymous No.7391250]

>>7391098
>I've spent too long on 4chan and think SJWs are real and should be condemned
>can someone Validate my reactionary shit?

Think for yourself. Don't get your news from YouTube and 4chan

[Anonymous No.7391306]

>>7391250
SJWs are real, but they are a vocal minority. I know some. They're still there though and as much as I hate the term, there are "feminazis" and a lot of hyper-PC shit today, just look at "safe spaces" at colleges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY

[Anonymous No.7391324]

>>7391183
>>7391199
>>7391203
>>7391215
Are we being raided by redditt?

[Anonymous No.7391332]

>>7391324
>>>/pol/
>>>/trash/
This isn't literature, so fuck off. Not every board is a soapbox for you to talk about how great feminism is or how redpilled you are. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.7391358]

>>7390884
ulYEsSes

[Anonymous No.7391360]

>>7391358
>ulYEsSes
Do you not know how to spell "Ulysses"?

[Anonymous No.7391365]

>>7391360
UlYssES i do

[Anonymous No.7391366]

>>7391306
What defines a "SJW?" what is the difference between one, and just a socially conscious person?

What is a feminazi, and why do you feel like this is an appropriate term? By appropriate, know that I mean it both in the political and social sense, as well as the connotative.

Before you answer, consider that there are morons in any group, of any sort. To define a movement by its most violent and embarrassing supporters is a practice I've found to be intellectually irresponsible. If I find those that you call "SJWs" and "feminazis" aren't because they believe in social justice and feminism, but because they're douchebags. But their heart, in most cases, is still in the right place - they're just angry, and trying to understand that anger, and understanding anger is never a pretty process. It makes more sense to me to dismiss bad behavior, not the political views of the badly behaved - which ought to be considered critically, and not dismissed outright.

[Anonymous No.7391377]

>>7391365
>UlYssES
>UYES
Nice try.

[Anonymous No.7391403]

>>7391377
NiFUCe trYOU

[Anonymous No.7391412]

>>7388802
Unless you go to a shit school, at least one English teacher will assign Shakespeare. Most schools read Shakespeare every year, likely three minimum in high school... if you're in a great school system, maybe 1+ per year from 7th-12th.

It is absolutely possible to get an English degree never reading Shakespeare in a class. I had a friend in English grad school who still hadn't read Hamlet.

But yeah with college, the curriculum is changing to match the popular areas of literature theory of right now. I do agree it is too fixated on victimhood, though we do need to be required to read some outside perspectives in literature. None of the other younger prof. in my dept. wanted to teach British lit because, as a few of them told me, it was too "white and male." Thankfully I didn't lose my shit right there.

High school isn't getting much better. My state had just transitioned to Common Core recently. Overall I love it, but there's way more emphasis on reading informational sources. Yes students need to learn to read nonfiction critically, but a good school forces the other departments to take on some of that burden so the English classroom does not have to become 1/2 nonfiction reading material.

[Anonymous No.7391414]

>>7388853
This chart always makes me laugh because /co/ is my usual stomping ground and sometimes they beat /lit/ on their ability to read into complex material (esp. in terms of not coming off as a pretentious asshole in the process).

[Anonymous No.7391427]

>>7391414
Maybe if you leave, then we'll start to have intelligent discourse.

[Anonymous No.7391430]

>>7391215

[Anonymous No.7391436]

>>7391427
Come now, /lit/ lauds itself on being pretentious. It's like a point of pride. It can be charming at times.

[Anonymous No.7391437]

>>7390981
When we kept having endless Christianity threads, the /pol/acks found their way here, since they've adopted Christianity as a reaction against things they don't like.

[Anonymous No.7391453]

>>7391366
Wasn't in the original conversation, but people who asserted that this cover was sexist and bitched so much that DC pulled it are the epitome of SJWs. I assume they don't actually get the story it is alluding to... just saw a frightened woman, which cannot be, because ladies are all strong and complex and better than men. It's like people trying to erase history because actual legit history offends people. That's fucking hyper-sensitive in my book.

[Anonymous No.7391471]

>>7391414
Go back to /co/mblr.

/lit/ is redpilled territory now.

[Anonymous No.7391479]

>>7391366
a sjw is someone who is generally from a privileged background and as a result has plenty of spare times to immerse themselves in the intricacies of social justice and identity politics but uses them as tools for their own ends rather than social change, this can be dumb shit like belonging to a community, self identifying, venting etc but can also extend to some unpleasant stuff like bullying and justifying abuse

because these people are generally quite privileged they can afford to focus on trivial, petty and symbolic issues; they don't understand or they don't care about the idea of "picking your battles". they have a large presence on social media and universities but very little impact on the real world

it's worth noting that "social justice warrior" is acknowledged to be distinct from "social justice activist" and the same is true for "feminazi" and "feminist", however over the past few years with the consolidation of these groups on social media and the influx of impressionable, narcissistic young people, the distinction is being eroded

mainstream feminism is petty as fuck, it's not enough to say "there are idiots in any group" when said group is gradually becoming defined by those idiots

[Anonymous No.7391481]

>>7391471
>>>/trash/
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.7391487]

>>7388758
>Shakespeare
>greatest writer of the English language

o i am laffin

[Anonymous No.7391488]

>>7390804
If the external world cannot be viewed objectively then how do you know there is no objective reality?

[Anonymous No.7391494]

>>7391366
Hey, I'm the original guy you were talking to and probably am going to say what the other people who have responded have said. First off, I support feminists and social justice in general, but not to an extreme. An SJW is someone who takes social justice views to an extreme and wants to silence people for their opinions. Did you watch the video I linked? I'd say you can't dismiss "bad behavior" because these people are in power and it's "racist" or "sexist" to debate or disagree with them in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.7391502]

Why don't we teach more Islamic literature anyway? It's objectively better than most European literature. The Qur'an is fucking beautiful, everyone should learn Arabic imo.

[Anonymous No.7391510]

>>7391502
>tfw US students are forced to read Huck Finn and learn to hate books
>tfw we could teach them Confessions of a Mask, Ficciones, My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, etc but too focused on nationalism

[Anonymous No.7391511]

>>7388758
This woman isn't nearly as based as Camille "Going Mental on the Continental" Paglia.

[Anonymous No.7391514]

>>7391502
Because Islam is a cancer, and I know without ever reading a single work of Islamic literature that your assessment of Islamic literature is wrong.

[Anonymous No.7391515]

>>7391502
I think there's definitely some Middle Eastern lit that would be fun to teach in schools, but the vid was talking about uni education where some people will end up reading that lit if they're inclined to. Learning Arabic should only be done if you have a vested interest in Arabic/Islamic lit.

[Anonymous No.7391520]

>>7391514
>I know without ever reading a single work of Islamic literature that your assessment of Islamic literature is wrong
Please let this be satirical.

[Anonymous No.7391524]

>>7391520
I'm joking, but there's a lot of people who would say that with complete sincerity.

[Anonymous No.7391529]

>>7391524
>there are
oops

[Anonymous No.7391534]

>>7391524
Yeah I know. I've seen it here a couple times from /pol/ posters. It felt like the original post and your reply were intentional bait/jokes though.

[Anonymous No.7391541]

>>7391502
Because no one in the academy truly values Islamic literature, and the only reason they teach it is because they want to prove how much they love the "religion of the oppressed" so they can get some brownie points.

[Anonymous No.7391550]

Was Mohammed the Ubermensch? He didn't give a fuck about anyone, saying that he saw an angel fooling everyone and then killing people and other heinous shit for the glory of God. and he got away with it all

[Anonymous No.7391551]

>>7391502
At the college level, it doesn't fall under "western literature" and most schools don't have extensive world lit courses.

At the high school level, parents will protest saying that their kids are being indoctrinated. And yet, we need to teach more Jesus in public schools. I had a coworker who got in trouble teaching World Geography and having her students silently try meditation (no religion tied to it) for a few minutes.

[Anonymous No.7391557]

>>7388758
Well I...

>cultural Marxism

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.7391558]

>>7391557
>...
>thinks cultural Marxism is a bogeyman

>>>/r/eddit

[William Burningspear No.7391566]

>Trash! Although being the bard himself I may be slightly biased. But it's an ok thing to study subjects that relevant to the time in which they are being studied but my work is eternal. Ergo, it's always relevant. Trash.

[Anonymous No.7391571]

>>7391551
When we read excerpts of the Bible in 12th grade no one complained, but when we tried getting into excerpts of 1001 Arabian Nights, there were some parents who started whining about "Islamic infiltration in our schools". Thankfully, the teacher didn't back down.

[Anonymous No.7391706]

>>7391571
Just cut out the fucking bible, it created the fucked up society we live in today. If we taught more Islamic and Asian literature, and Islamic science, we wouldn't have to put up with the shit we do now.

[Anonymous No.7391707]

>>7391706
Nice bait /pol/.

>>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.7391713]

>>7391706
Islam is more progressive and tolerant than Christianity by far. Shariah is just virtue ethics.

[Anonymous No.7391715]

>>7391707
How is that bait? Do you really think things are ok right now?

[Anonymous No.7391718]

>>7391571
That sucks. It's infuriating when people complain about books or things being thought when they're also the types who say they love free speech.

[Anonymous No.7391755]

>>7391713
>being progressive and tolerant
>good
>4 men need to be present for it to be rape
>just ethics

Islam is stuck in the medieval age

[Anonymous No.7391757]

>>7391718
People only like free speech when it suits them. As soon as something is 'racist', 'sexist', 'morally reprehensible' etc. those people are quick to silence free speech.

[Anonymous No.7391758]

>>7391757
Yeah. It's also very true on the other /pol/tard side too.

[Anonymous No.7391779]

>>7391471
/co/, unfortunately, spends half of its threads bitching about tumblr. So, yeah.

[Anonymous No.7391791]

>>7390764
bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit

learn literature before learning what impacts literature

now fuck off

[Anonymous No.7391794]

>>7391571
YEP. People are idiots and unfortunately they breed that stupidity into their kids typically. The political bullshit I heard said from my students in high school was so painful, but unlike the Civics teachers at my school, I don't believe that I should force my political positions on my students and never stepped in.

But yeah, that's not surprising. I taught World Lit but only to my Gifted students... so if I taught Arabic literature I didn't get shit for it thankfully.

>>7391755
Well, technically it's 500-600 years younger than Christianity, so ripe for those Spanish Inquisition years.

[Anonymous No.7391815]

>>7391758
I don't think /pol/ users support free speech, they're national socialists.

[Anonymous No.7391820]

Considering most of the g8s never took these courses being administered at unis nowadays, what does that mean. are we going to have a new kind of meta meta meme modernism wave hit us in the coming decades of lit? I for one am excited

[Anonymous No.7391826]

>>7391794
Fun fact: Islamic jihadists have killed more people in the last month than those killed in the Spanish Inquisition.

[Anonymous No.7391853]

to everyone that posted in this thread, I recommend these cool new boards where you can discuss the global zionist conspiracy among like-minded individuals.
>>>/his/
>>>/trash/
>>>/news/
>>>/pol/
>>>/tv/

[Anonymous No.7391854]

>>7391826
Christianity was far more brutal. And Islam prohibits killing the innocent or forcing itself on anyone. Islam did not and does not spread by the sword.

[Anonymous No.7391865]

>>7391853
I recommend you these websites, in turn, where you can discuss the racist, sexist, misogynist, Islamophobic, transphobic, homophobic, patriarchal, straight, white, Christian male boogeyman.

Reddit
Tumblr
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Neogaf
Deviantart

[Anonymous No.7391868]

>>7391146
>Lowy is a Leftist idiot.
>Zizek is a stalinist idiot.
I assumed Jews were good at debating.

[Anonymous No.7391880]

>>7391865
>>>/pol/
>>>/trash/
If it's not literature, it's not /lit/.

[Anonymous No.7391918]

>>7391865
Straight outta /pol/ I see. It should be pretty obvious by now no one on /lit/ likes your kind.

I mean this in the most condescending way possible, I used to be a reactionary, dark enlightenment kind of guy just like you, but then I started actually reading books. Read some fucking literature, nigga. After you've read some lit, then come back here for a discussion, otherwise your presence here is completely worthless.

[Anonymous No.7391919]

>>7391715
Do you really think Islam would be better?

[Anonymous No.7391920]

>>7391854
Then how did it spread from Mecca and Medina all the way to Bosnia? How come Muslims kill thousands monthly in the name of their prophet (piss be upon him)?

[Anonymous No.7391929]

>>7391918
I see you still fail to see from any other perspective and project yourself onto imaginary manifestations of your 'adversaries'. Everyone who disagrees with you is 'ignorant' and 'uneducated', right?

[Anonymous No.7391936]

>>7391929
Everyone from /pol/, yes.

[Anonymous No.7391950]

>>7391936
Do they make you upset? Trigger you? Why do you get so upset at opinions?

[Anonymous No.7391951]

>>7391920
Islam only allows for defensive wars, which were what the Arab conquests were about. They had to war with the Byzantines since they were oppressing Muslims and potential Muslims. And no one was forced to convert. Islam prohibits forced conversions since the ummah would be full of hypocrites. Everyone who converted did so voluntarily.

[Anonymous No.7391959]

>>7391950
>>>/pol/
>>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.7391969]

>>7391951
Then why does Sharia law call for pagans to be killed and people of the book to be taxed? How were these wars of conquest defensive, exactly? Why did Muslims under their paedophile prophet slaughter thousands on their conquest of Arabia?

[Anonymous No.7391976]

>>7391959
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.7391979]

>>7391950
They don't seem to understand the concept of a containment board. They're the biggest cross posters on this entire site. They ruin every board they touch by lowering the level of discourse to levels they can comprehend, which usually involves some sort of /int/ tier ad hominem or "niggerz r dumb lol". Please go back there unless you intend to discuss literature.

[Anonymous No.7391980]

>>7391969
Do you know the context of those verses? If not, why are you asking about them? The conquests were needed to protect Muslims and potential Muslims from Christian tyrannies that existed at the time. The jizya tax was supposed to be an act of humility and a means of designating protected people. And Christianity has killed far more.

[Anonymous No.7391989]

>>7391976
If your post doesn't have to do with literature and is just you pushing your ideology down people's throats, then fuck off to /pol/ with other like-minded people.

This board is for LITERATURE, you faggot.

>>7391969
>>7391980
Please tell me both of you are just joking. If not, unread idiots belong on /his/.

[Anonymous No.7391997]

>>7391826
The Spanish inquisition was a single institution in a single country, and is notable not so much for the number of deaths it caused as for the questionable methods involved in investigation and sentencing, as well as for the brutality of the torture and of the executions (and, of course, for its founder, who convinced the Spanish monarchs to issue a decree expelling all Jews from the country under pain of death, while simultaneously demanding that they leave any gold, silver or money in their possession in the country).

If you're going to compare numbers of deaths, you might want to take a look not only at inquisitions but also at other processes like wars (e.g. the war waged by Catholic Spain against the Muslims of Granada at the very time when the Spanish inquisition was at the height of its power, as well as other wars going on elsewhere -- not to mention the deeds of the Christians who discovered America around the same time...). And then there's the difference in equipment: how many would current-day Jihadists have killed if they were running around with swords instead of bombs and assault rifles? How many would the Christians of the medieval and Renaissance times have killed if they had been in possession of modern military equipment?

[Anonymous No.7392000]

>>7391980
Is that why Islam calls to kill and convert everyone? To prevent non-Muslims from being able to hold power over Muslims?

[Anonymous No.7392002]

>>7391826
Islamic jihadists mostly kill other Muslims. The Inquisition mostly killed Jews, Muslims, and some non-Catholic christian sects.

[Anonymous No.7392010]

>>7391979
>>7391989
you guys just don't like my redpilled beliefs because they prove you wrong
>>>/tumblr/

[Anonymous No.7392017]

>>7391980
Muhammad, you don't actually think you'd be able to pull that taquiyya here do you? We've actually READ the Koran. This is a LITERATURE board.

[Anonymous No.7392018]

>>7391324
>oh shit
>the lefties figured out that I'm retarded
>what would /pol/ want me to do
>oh, right.

r-r-reddit.

>got 'em

[Anonymous No.7392020]

>>7391997
Not every war against Muslims is a war of aggression against them. All Muslim countries today oppress and persecute Jews, and other Muslims. All recent non-African genocides have been Muslims trying to wipe out others. Islam is ten times as violent as any form of Christianity. How about you compare European colonies to Muslim colonies? Muslim colonies were far more brutal.
>>7392002
Muslims kill thousands of non-Muslims every year.

[Anonymous No.7392029]

>>7392010
see
>>7392018
Except instead of
>r-r-reddit
try
>t-t-tumblr

[Anonymous No.7392031]

>>7392017
You don't understand. Exegesis is not allowed on the Qur'an. You are only allowed to interpret Qur'an using the Hadith, which I doubt you have read given that Sahih Bukhari is one of the longest books ever written.

[Anonymous No.7392036]

>>7392017
>>7392010
>>7392020
>>7392002
>>7391997
>>>/pol/
>>>/his/
>>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.7392039]

>>7392036
Mods are asleep.

everyone be nazi, I guess.

[Anonymous No.7392041]

>>7392020
Of course they keep the Jews in-watch. How many of those Jews in Arab countries are secretly loyal to Israel or the West? The ummah sees itself as in a perpetual state of war with Israel and the West. Of course Jews would be denied rights.

Also, what do you say to the camps Japanese-Americans were put into during WWII?

[Anonymous No.7392047]

>>7392020
>>7392031
>>7392041
All of you are really uneducated and it shows.

[Anonymous No.7392057]

>>7392047
How am I uneducated? Muslims only "persecute" people who persecute them. The only reason Jews and Christians are kept in-check in Muslim countries is because Jews and Christians have historically collaborated with white colonials. And Christians in Egypt are treated better than Muslims in France.

[Anonymous No.7392064]

>>7392047
>Exegesis is not allowed on the Qur'an. You are only allowed to interpret Qur'an using the Hadith
>The ummah sees itself as in a perpetual state of war with Israel and the West
You have no concept of Islamic legal theory or theology as evident from those two statements.

[Anonymous No.7392068]

>>7392057
Oh and
>Sahih Bukhari is one of the longest books ever written.
proves that you're baiting and/or an idiot.

[Anonymous No.7392071]

>>7392057
>Christians in Egypt are treated better than Muslims in France.

woah there partner, you got a citation for that firearm or is it plastic?

Honestly, I don't disbelieve you, but I'd like to see some proof of this.

[Anonymous No.7392088]

>>7392064
Excuse me, I am Muslim. I'm here telling you that you need years of training before you can interpret the Qur'an. The Qur'an was given to one man only so you are only allowed to interpret it through his acts and deeds.

Yes, we see ourselves in a state of war. The West has been attacking us since the days of Charles Martel.

>>7392071
Egyptian Christians aren't denied the open practice of their religion. Muslims in France can't wear the niqab, prepare halal meat, wear religious garb in public buildings, pray in public or even call to prayer. Egyptian Christians aren't denied their churches.

[Anonymous No.7392100]

>>7392088
>I am Muslim. I'm here telling you that you need years of training before you can interpret the Qur'an. The Qur'an was given to one man only so you are only allowed to interpret it through his acts and deeds.
Obviously an uneducated Muslim based this statement. Do you even know the hermeneutic methodologies behind tafsir? There are naqli and aqli sources to it.

And there's also sciences behind hadith authentication and narrator reliability.

But you're really ignorant of Islamic theology.

>The West has been attacking us since the days of Charles Martel.
And Islamic history as well.

Not only are you uneducated, but you're also not discussing any literature.

>>>/his/ is the board for you.

[Anonymous No.7392123]

>>7392100
My point is Westerners do not have the qualifications to interpret Qur'an. You need years of training. This is why Westerners make fools of themselves every time they try to interpret our texts.

How am I wrong about history? The ummah has been trying to protect itself from Christians since the beginning. Islam prohibits all non-defensive combat.

[Anonymous No.7392127]

>>7392088
>Excuse me, I am Muslim
What are you doing on the internet? Aren't you violating Hadith by doing so? (outside of required work, since I'm assuming the coin image exception to the rule applies)

[Anonymous No.7392131]

>>7392123
You're really not worth a response.
>>>/his/
>>7392127
Neither are you.
>>>/his/

[Anonymous No.7392132]

>>7392127
Islam encourages scientific thinking and discovery. Nothing in shariah prohibits internet.

[Anonymous No.7392140]

>>7392131
I'm asking genuine questions about the Hadiths, I'm pretty sure they're literature

[Anonymous No.7392305]

>>7390723
Well, you're going to source that because I graduated from Paris-Sorbonne and there's not a single departement nor degree merely related to gender studies and not a single of classmates heard of it. The first and only time I read about it in a French-speaking college, it was as a minor study at UCL in Belgium and it talked about the gendered study of war, mutilation and labor in Africa.

[Anonymous No.7392377]

>>7388853
>Tfw /tg/ is retarded
;_;

W-we're the most c-creative b-board!

[Anonymous No.7392380]

>>7392377
It's a bait image, but your post is giving credence to it.

[Anonymous No.7392388]

>>7392140
Please. Islam does not promote a warrior ethic like Westerners claim. We are required to be 100% peaceful until we are attacked.