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How many here smoke? How does /lit/ feel about smoking in general? It seems to me that smoking was once seen as a pastime of intellects, while now it has the opposite association.

>> No.7381776

>>7381773
>>>/adv/

>> No.7381785

>>7381776

I don't smoke and I'm not looking for advice. I'm specifically interested in /lit/'s opinion.

>> No.7381811

I think it has become a class thing now. In my mind there are two groups of people who smoke now. Lower working class people or alternative middle class people. The lower class don't seem to give a shit and the middle class people I know who smoke generally are using to self-medicate.

Most of my friends who smoke are dealing with a mental illness of one sort or another. It's unfortunate since they generally seem to be more interesting then those who seem neurotypical.

>> No.7381813

>>7381773
I think it depends on how you smoke. Personally I find cigarette addiction to be contemptible, but totally understand the occasional social smoke.

What I like best is smoking as a cultivated taste (like alcohol, clothing, literature) for the sake of finding and enjoying small luxuries. I rarely smoke, but occasionally enjoy a decent cigar and the total leisure which tends to accompany smoking it. The most relaxing way to smoke is to be doing nothing else physical, so it's a great way to kick back and chill for a bit, while enjoying something nice, and giving your hands something to do.

>> No.7381814

>>7381811

What about all of the celebrities who smoke? It seems like most actors smoke, and they're certainly in the higher class. Not to mention Obama, of course.

>> No.7381824

>>7381814
Theatre people in general smoke. A lot of dancers smoke, it helps them not eat and not gain weight.

>> No.7382575

>>7381824
I see this quite frequently, is there actually truth to the weight neutrality from smoking.

>> No.7382587

>>7382575
Nicotine helps curb hunger, so it could be used by someone to try and not eat, but I've never heard of anyone actually doing that, outside of movies and TV shows like The Simpsons.

>> No.7382588

>>7381811
"mental illness"

>> No.7382590

>>7381811

You have a lot of schizophrenic/psychotic friends, then.

>> No.7382596

>>7381773
it's fashionable and will never go out of style.
face it, it looks fucking cool and anyone with a cigarette in their hand looks infinitely more interesting. unless they hold in it in a certain way where the cigarette is acknowledged as a an object to cover up the users low sense of self-esteem then it becomes rather repulsive it has to be one with the smoker.
i'm trying to quit tho, i've realized i enjoy the ritual/action more than the actual effects and i'm trying to be healthy.

>> No.7382610

>>7381813


...Anonymous
11/23/15(Mon)08:10:22 No.7381813
>>7381773 (OP) #
I think it depends on how you wank. Personally I find masturbation to be contemptible, but totally understand the occasional jerk off.

What I like best is masturbation as a cultivated taste (like alcohol, clothing, literature) for the sake of finding and enjoying small luxuries. I rarely masturbate, but occasionally enjoy a decent wank and the total leisure which tends to accompany beating it off. The most relaxing way to masturbate is to be doing nothing else physical, so it's a great way to kick back and chill for a bit, while enjoying something nice, and giving your hands something to do.

>> No.7382646

>>7382587
Sounds dangerous

>> No.7382648

>>7382596
>face it, it looks fucking cool and anyone with a cigarette in their hand looks infinitely more interesting
At that point it was quite apparent that you're an addict yourself. Face it, with each generation the share of people who find it disgusting and won't even come close to you while you're smoking, is going to grow, that probably applies to the vast majority of current teens actually.

Also, enjoy your cancer.

>> No.7382654

>>7382648
"Enjoy your cancer" becomes an invalid statement as long as you eat meat and carry your phone next to your balls.

>> No.7382658

>>7381811
>I think it has become a class thing now. In my mind there are two groups of people who smoke now. Lower working class people or alternative middle class people. The lower class don't seem to give a shit and the middle class people I know who smoke generally are using to self-medicate.
>self-medicate

wat

>> No.7382660

>>7382654
If you actually both smoke and eat red meat, I hope you enjoy multiple cancers.

>> No.7382665

>>7382654
Cell phones cause brain cancer not ball cancer, you twat.

>> No.7382670

>>7381773
Smoking is dumb and I wish I'd never started doing it.

>> No.7382677

>>7381773
I smoke weed erryday 420

>> No.7382688

>>7381773

I don't smoke any more. Switched to snus. Now my fascist government who hates freedom wants to make it illegal for the sake of public health. Nazis. Literal Nazis.

Smoking daily is pretty disgusting. Way easier to quit than most people think. They just psyche themselves into thinking it's impossible, when really, it consists of two weeks of slight annoyance and occasional cravings that last a few minutes.

>> No.7382695

>>7382688
>getting over an addiction is easy if you just switch it to another addiction
Nice life tips there, idiot.

>> No.7382702

>>7382596
>it looks cool
No it doesn't. It smells awful and it makes you look like a loser. The ONLY possible exception to this is if you smoke cigars and even then it only works if you're a lawyer or a CEO or something, in which case you don't need to smoke to look "cool".

>> No.7382711

>>7382702
>The ONLY possible exception to this is if you smoke cigars and even then it only works if you're a lawyer or a CEO or something, in which case you don't need to smoke to look "cool".

are you literally 12?

>> No.7382723

I started smoking when I was like 15 and I still do. I don't want to quit because I simply like it and it helps me when I have to study or something that makes me nervous. And it goes well with coffe, and I fucking love coffe.

>> No.7382733

>>7382702
>cigar smoking lawyer/CEO = cool
jesus fucking christ you sound like some teenage autist who gets beat up on a daily basis and escapes into your head via corporate finance wet dreams

>> No.7382744
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7382744

>>7382711
Yeah that's a weird double standard put forth. Anyway, people typically don't inhale cigars as its more an oral fixation the way some chicks love smoking cawk.

>>7382723
I think I started about 12 like the OP pic and count on it killing me before 70 but hopefully not before 50. If they tax it much more running out of money is also a possibility. After seeing how people age in the west, and having no kids. 70+ looks like fucking hell, broken hips, can't move, outlive all your friends, forced to watch TV commercials all day...just the fact people today seem to obsess so much about what other people do with their lives indicates a sick society getting sicker and nothing to live for themselves. Not to mention obese health care practitioners and bureaucrats, alcoholism, big pharma synthetic opiate addictions...If I don't get a cancer, stroke or heart attack imma gonna be really pissed at big tobacco.

>> No.7382747

>>7382744

Who is this Böner Kebab?

>> No.7382762

>>7381813
>>7382596
these

>> No.7382765

>>7382702
>says it smells awful
>likes cigar smell

>> No.7382803

>>7382588
Dub for truth

Reminder that pill-poppers are literally killing themselves because they think they suffer from a real illness.
>but muh chemical imbalances
Never been established. This is the hypothesis drug manufacturers shit out to justify you swallowing their concentrated blight. Chemical imbalances cannot be shown to exist on a physical level, and cannot be observed by any biomedical test.

Depression is a state of consciousness wrought by unfulfillment and perpetuated by the notion that it is an external affliction, that is, not inherent in your process of thought.
>but muh clinically proven condition
Your state of mind is dependent on the quality of your thoughts. You are at your own mercy. It's not the event that influences you, but your perception of that event.

This isn't a choice you make, but a semi-conscious judgement. You have the ability to adjust your perspective through knowledge and experiences (among a multitude of other things).

That's the fucking secret.

And now that you're off medication, you have the money to obtain these things.

It is entirely within the capability of every human being to modify perception. Pain, fear, love, hate, patience, outlook. These can all be molded with progress.

“If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.”
-Marcus Aurelius

>> No.7382842

>>7382803
you have no idea what you're talking about. chemical imbalances have numerous times been shown to correlate (not cause, mind you, that's a different story) with not only depression but also OCD, schizophrenia and other common syndromes

while it is true that people are at their own mercy, sometimes the depression can be so deep they have no way of recovering if they don't get medical help. think of antidepressants as stepping stones

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7382875

>>7382747
>Böner Kebab

>> No.7382884

Smoking is bad for you and I'm sure your parents wouldn't approve.

>> No.7382904

>>7382695

I stopped smoking for some 3 years, after a 3 year habit. Without snus.

Then I picked up smoking again this summer. Switched to snus this autumn.

Hot presumptions, faggotron.

>> No.7382911

>>7382803

Meditation (could be construed as DYI CBT) has been proven to be just as effective as antidepressants in preventing relapse in depressed persons. Also shows promise in treating depression outright.

And people are still falling for the pharma-capitalist.

>> No.7382915

>>7382765
I smoke Cigars. They smell and taste wonderful. Also, you don't inhale toxins like in cigarettes.

>> No.7382916

>>7382911
>Meditation
>Effective
Go to bed, Steve Jobs.

>> No.7382921

>>7382915
enjoy your mouth cancer

>> No.7382922

>>7382654
>>7382665
you guys know that's a mythology right?

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7382933

>>7381773
Smoking is cool.

>> No.7382939

>>7382733
laughed

>> No.7382947

>>7382654
>eat meat
how about to actually read the study, and stop listening to WHO and other clickbait articles

>> No.7382950

>>7381773
I honestly don't like when I'm smoking in a public space it makes me feel fatale.

>> No.7382958

>>7381773
it might not have killed him, but it has certainly rotted his lungs

>> No.7382963

>>7382915
Good for you to avoid all thos cigaretty toxins. I bet the cigar ones are much, much better.

>>7381811
It also has a great difference depending on where you are. In the US, where I spent most of my time there, smoking sounds sort of like what you say. Rare, mostly confined to lower classes. I forget where I recently read an article that was talking about that sort of concentration. Basically the idea that many people think it is solved in the US when really it remains among the poor.

However, where I am in Eastern Europe, this is not the case. Smoking is pretty ubiquitous, I would not call it an upper class thing, perhaps more poor people do it, but you see it everywhere. Now, arguably the very desire to put a burning thing in your mouth and breath the smoke is a clear sign of mental illness by itself, but in many cases it is the only clear outward manifestation of derangement that I have seen among smokers, here.

>>7382702
>cigars are cool
<giggles> they can be more interesting to see, I guess, but they seem generally just as, I mean, disgusting and foulsmelling and ridiculous.

>>7382596
I am sure zoot suits will never go out of style, either. Or snuffboxes, or bowler caps, or togas, or, you get the idea.

>>7382654
Also, I do not eat meat and seldom carry a cellphone. But thanks for your concern.

>>7382916
It sure beats smoking, paintsniffing and other means of relaxation.

>> No.7382973

>>7382916

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24395196
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23541163
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044190/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3057175/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12883106

Try doing some research for yourself as well.

>> No.7383039

The puritan spirit in America has returned in full force. Lacking a scheme or system for seeing evils in their proportions, they are free to imagine that smoking is a mortal sin; scare-mongering about second hand smoke has given it the flimsiest pretence of moral importance. Coupled with this has been a new wilful ignorance of the pleasures of smoking, and it is to the point that people will accuse you, if you claim to have felt the cigarette high, of being ignorant of the true cause, which was only the alleviation of withdrawal. Anyone who remembers their first cigarette knows how silly this idea is, yet it is becoming very common, especially among people who have never smoked.

There is nothing underneath all of this. It is taboo and anyone may bring his own superstitions when he pronounces on it. The self-serious moralist (who has no sense of what morals are for) will talk about the danger second-hand smoke poses to others; the snob will say smoking is dirty and it smells bad; the übermensch will say it is self-destroying, or addiction is slavish; the "practical" man will say it costs too much money and provides no benefit, and smokers burden the health care system, which he pays for; and they will say this equally for casual smokers and chain smokers.

Some people enjoy smoking, and it's extremely bigoted and presumptuous that anti-smoking types are incapable of taking their word for it. Chain smoking, like all vices of excess, can be very nasty. But we must not be hysterical about it. It is disgusting how we are trying to force smokers into little marked smoking areas and out of public life—years of second-hand smoke may kill you, but walking past a smoker on the way into a building is really not something to get angry about.

I don't smoke, by the way. I can admit that smoking is not a great habit to have, because I smoked and I quit smoking, and I rather like the principle of chastity in the broad sense. But all of us but the happy few are guilty of excess in some matter or another. The smoker is not especially worse than the guy who overeats or watches too much porn. We oughtn't treat him like a murderer and an imbecile. We oughtn't call them disgusting, nor should we assume that they're doing it only to "look cool" (which, by the way, is an insult we never think to direct at those who succeed in "looking cool". If we really did object on principle, we would resent especially the people who reap benefits by such effort).

>> No.7383055

>>7382963
>Now, arguably the very desire to put a burning thing in your mouth and breath the smoke is a clear sign of mental illness
How can your imagination be so impoverished? It is the sane and fanciful man who sees the ritual sublimity of burning the tobacco plant and breathing in the intoxicating smoke. It is the full man who can see the beauty and the danger; it is the dull man who can see only the signs of "mental illness".

>> No.7383057

>>7382803

Man, what. I'm a diagnosed psychotic, I'm pretty sure it's a real condition and that the pills work based on the quantity of words I hear from the dragons in my head on a given day,

>> No.7383077

>>7382596
>fashionable
I live in an upscale white collar town, and it is absolutely taboo amongst anyone of means. It is definitely not fashionable unless you are living in Williamsburg in NYC

>> No.7383084

>>7383077
Among the people I know in Toronto, the fashionable thing is to smoke a little and claim that you're in the process of cutting back, or that you're planning to quit but finding it hard.

>> No.7383089

>>7382654
Smoking will give you a higher risk for cancer than red meat, and red meat is pretty bad.

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7383093

>>7381773

>> No.7383105

>>7383057
>responding to /pol/ pasta

>> No.7383581

>>7383077
Fashionable =/= white collar.

Rich people usually look shitty in the same proportions as the poor; they just waste more money in doing so. Nouveau riche scum without taste have no bearing on what is "fashionable."

>> No.7383615

>>7383093
??
What does Perelman have to do with this?

>> No.7383674

>>7381773

I smoke sometimes. It is a personal weakness of mine and I hate it.

I wish I could go back to the days where a pack would last a month or 2. Now if I buy one it's gone by noon the next day.

Would not recommend.

>> No.7383686

i love smoking but i'm stuck in this weird position where it's fucking up my physical health but also really good for my mental health so idk

>> No.7383702

smoking makes you smell bad to non-smokers (80% of society).
cancer is irrelevant, death is inevitable.

>> No.7383706

>>7383686
>really good for my mental health
In what way?

>> No.7383746

>>7381773
It kills a lot of time, conversely it also fills my being to the brim everytime I do which is a big help sometimes.

My biggest issue is that it makes me see everything in terms of smoking, e.g. I read this book not in terms of reading it but in terms of that I can smoke after this chapter. i.e. I base my immediate goals around it instead of it just being another passtime.

The effect it plays on your psyche is far from negligible as well, this more so when oppositely to above when you don't want to smoke but say think about this or that that you want to think about, given its ability to fill your being with activity in an immediate way whenever you are "in-between" things and in the reflective state smoking then presents itself as an option to fill it.

Btw, who knew that being well read on ontology makes smoking so much easier to quit, not that it takes all the difficulty out of it.

More generally, smoking for one and off for about 7 years, it's a hugely detrimental, though not debilitating, negative influence on your health. Obviously. But when you actually start having things like smoker's cough and wheezing inhalation you really feel it (and then this also affects your being almost perpetually, alas).

One good thing it does do is it can and does "distract" you from anxiety, especially in social situations (its appropriate quality), but then again this can be countered with other means ....

A positive effect of it, that most don't know about, is that nicotine actually improves cognitive performance, slightly that is, especially in regards to memory.

A minor thing that I like is that when I'm stuck at a library for example every hour or so I could go smoke to limit the negative effect continuous reading has on the eyes, that also provides some time to reflect on things you read as you read it, sometimes, it also provides opportunities for unwanted social attention.

>> No.7383828

>>7383702
fine with me, nonsmokers are uppity and entitled

>> No.7383842

>>7382803
Every single thing you just said is factually wrong. There is empirical evidence showing that chemical imbalances exist and cause great issue for the people who have them. Depression is as much a physical condition as it is mental: the brain fucking shrinks by an observable amount when you have it. Please fucking stop spouting the shit you hear on /pol/.

>> No.7383849

>>7382744
Or you could live healthily like my grandma and grandpa and still be biking, sailing, water skiing, and traveling at the age of 76

>> No.7383917

I love smoking. I had my first cigarette my eighteenth birthday and have been on 5 or more a day ever since (22 now). I've met my best friends, my current girlfriend of a year, and countless interesting people by smoking in proximity to eachother. I imagine once I'm through with college I'll probably have to quit though.

I can't think about many or really any day to day things that aren't improved by cigarettes. They're like life's seasoning

>> No.7383929

>>7382933
this desu

>> No.7383978

>>7381773
I'm upper-middle and use it to make me less anxious.

>>7381811
I would agree, I imagine I wouldn't smoke if I were happier or less stressed and anxious. I wouldn't go so far as to say I have a disorder, but I'm definitely not a full happy normie.

>> No.7383995

>>7381773
I don't know about the opposite. It's just not a smoker's world anymore. People like to whine. Personally, I think if you're bothered by someone smoking you should shut the fuck up and look around at the world in which you live and find something real to care about. But as an ex chainsmoker, being an addict is just an unpleasant way to be.