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The five greatest writers in the history of western literature:

1. Homer
2. Shakespeare
3. Tolstoy
4. Dante
5. Joyce

>> No.7366273

Homer, Sophocles, Virgil, Ovid, Shakespeare

>> No.7366279

>>7366253
>Homer
>a person

maximum kek

>> No.7366287

>>7366253
> placing Tolstoy instead of Dostoyevsky

>> No.7366290

>>7366287
Reddit spotted

>> No.7366307

1. Shakespeare
2. Tolstoy
3. Hugo
4. Milton
5. Hemingway

>> No.7366309

>>7366290
>I will discredit the the man 's taste by claiming he is from reddit

>> No.7366496

great thread, love it

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>>7366287
Why is that offensive? I've never seen piss bottles on reddit but here you're a newfag if you're not autistic like everybody else

>> No.7366647

>>7366287
teenager spotted

>> No.7366681

>>7366287
>>>/pleb/

>> No.7366694

Joyce
Milton
Shakey's
TS Eliot
Goethe

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7368168

1.) Aquinas.
2.) Plato
3.) Aristotle
4.) Augustine
5.) John of the cross

>> No.7368186

Shakespeare
Whitman
Ovid
Pound
Goethe

>> No.7368239

Shakespeare
Milton
Sophocles
Goethe
Aquinas

>> No.7368249

God
God
God
Moses
GOD

>> No.7368289

shakespeare
joyce
homer
milton
melville

dfw :^)

>> No.7368305

>>7368249
>i am in capable of counting to 5

>> No.7368477

>>7368249
G-d

>> No.7368483

>>7368168
>Augustine
>Aquinas
>Juan
LATINS GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT

REEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.7368488

Homer, Sophocles, Tolstoy, Joyce, Nabokov.

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>>7366253
I. "The Greeks"
II. DFW
III. Pynchon
IV. Joyce
V. Stirner

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>>7366253
>western literature
Come on now. You don't need to stipulate "western" for this, we know where all the best literature comes from.

>> No.7368528

>no Chrétien de Troyes

yeah, after all he only invented the novel, no big deal

>> No.7368529

>>7368528
Romans had novels

>> No.7368530

>>7368528

>that one guy who always tries a dash too hard

>> No.7368531

>Tolstoy
>Joyce

NO

>> No.7368535

>>7368529
Karl Uitti argues: "With [Chrétien’s work] a new era opens in the history of European story telling…this poem reinvents the genre we call narrative romance; in some important respects it also initiates the vernacular novel."

yeah what a dumbass specialist Uitti is that's probably why he dead now lmao

>> No.7368538

>>7366253
Why do you niggers insist on remaking these threads all the fucking time

>> No.7368545

>>7368535
What's your point? Roman's had novels before de Troyes.

>> No.7368547

>>7368545

>What's your point?

he gets hard over a good namedrop, that's all

>> No.7368563

>>7368545
he didn't invented the concept of the novel, he just modernized it into what has become in the 14th century the prose novel we all know today. the english language cannot really translate the concept because it uses the word novel and not roman, but basically it is not just about putting Brittany legends into roman language, but rather about doing it in a creative way and building complete story canvas over just translating vernacular stories. for example, before Chrétien de Troyes the usual thing to do was "to put into roman", ie just translating. he was the first to understand he could not only put something into roman, but also make a roman

Des que ma dame de Chanpaigne
Vialt que romans a feire anpraigne

>>7368547
>I don't know shit, so let's just diss everything I ignore

>> No.7368564

>>7368563
>after all, he only invented the novel

>> No.7368571

>>7368564
the modern novel, with ONE canvas. for example, since you were talking about novels written by romans. for example, look at the mess that is the Satyricon : prose, verse, latin, vernacular language, anything goes. there is some kind of mainframe, sure (Encolpe's adventures) but the several other stories loosely attached to it (Pegame, Trimalcion, Ephese) make it more a collection of stories. it sure is interesting for the evolution of litterature, but it barely qualifies as a novel in the modern meaning of the term

>> No.7368573

Jack Kerouac
Charles Bukowski
Kurt Vonnegut
Chuck Palahniuk
Stephen King

>> No.7368574

>>7368563
That's fine, but iis he fun to read?

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>>7368574
>fun

>> No.7368582

>>7368528

>Greatest and first are the same

Literacy is expected here.

>> No.7368586

Technically, European literature is eastern literature, now.

>> No.7368599

>>7368574
if you like medieval shit yeah it's fun, lots of battles, characters evolving, good use of christian symbols. although if you're not familiarized with such concepts as fin'amor and fol'amor you may miss some points, I would still recommend it

>>7368582
had he only conceptualized the modern novel without making anything of value, he would have been forgotten long ago. the fact is that he inspired a lot of medieval litterature (at least four people wrote followings to his last, unfinished novel for example, the whole thing being something like 60 000 verses). I like to see his work as some kind of a big recipe book that every writer of the time began looking at before making their own cooking

>> No.7368602

>>7368586

Technically, the US is a third-world country.

>> No.7368636

>>7368602
Kek

>> No.7368640

Homer
Virgil
Dante
Shakespeare
Cervantes

Any other list is absurd. The only debateable name here is Cervantes, and the only substitutes I can think of would be the likes of Plato, Ovid, and Goethe.

No novelists have a place here except for Cervantes. This list is too high even for Flaubert.

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>>7368640
You know it all, buddy, you know it all...

>> No.7368671

>Joyce over Flaubert
Why...

>> No.7369690

>>7368640
>Virgil

lol

>> No.7369701

>>7368640

>Dante and Virgil above Shakespeare

TOP LOL.

>> No.7369712

>Homer
>good writing

i mean come on

>> No.7369714

>Homer
>writer

>> No.7369727

>>7368531
Aye sir!

>> No.7369769

>>7366253
1. Shakespeare
2. Milton
3. Dante
4. Joyce
5. Montaigne

Too many to list properly but those 5 are some of the very best and most influential.

>> No.7369780

>tolstoy
>dostyo

Can any russian authors really be considered "western" ? I think Russia is big enough and different enough to be considered its own separate group of literature, I certainly don't think of them when i think "Western".

>> No.7369786

>>7366620
Tolstoy doesn't have as much antithetical value and or divine flame as Dostoyevsky.
Saying Tostoy is better than Dostoyevsky is like saying Mozart is better than Bach. It's for people who place their subjective values onto objective values or truths.

>> No.7369792

>>7369780
Russia's higher classes (where authors obviously came from) were incredibly influenced by the west, and france in particular. In their mindset, style, influences and cultur - the great russian authors were very "western".

>> No.7369804

>>7369786
I have no concept of what youre saying

>> No.7369837

>>7368571
I believe the first novel would be Lady Murasaki's Tale of Genji, turbonerd

>> No.7369847

>>7366253
Goethe
Kafka
Billy Shakes
Whitman
Nietzsche

>>7368528
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murasaki_Shikibu

>> No.7369854

>>7366253
kill yourself

>> No.7369880

>>7369804
You have no concept of what Dostoyevsky is saying either if you don't consider him better than Tolstoy.

>> No.7369895

Is this a /lit/ meme or do you people really not know that Homer wasn't a writer?

>> No.7369907

>>7368602
Pretty much. If actual poverty rates were reported it would be considered a developing country.

>> No.7369914

>>7366287
You sure you're on the right board, pal?

>> No.7369951

>>7369786
>and or
Don't do this

>> No.7369968

>>7369951
Says the guy who only punctuates partially! Either punctuate completely or don't do it at all.

>> No.7369972

>>7366253
>tolstoy, not pushkin or lermontov
>joyce, not goethe

>> No.7370064

>>7368573
>this tbqfh senpai
people on this board are so pretentious and elitist
>baka
I read for fun

>> No.7370086

>>7366307
>1. Shakespeare
>2. Tolstoy

My nigga. They sure are numbers 1 and 2. Not sure about the other 3...I myself dont know who I would choose...Homer would be on it probably (but certainly not Hemingway).

>> No.7370094

>>7368186
>>7369847
>Goethe
Yes.

>> No.7370100

>>7368640

You must be boring (and you dont know nothing about poetry: never try your hand at it, it will suck).

>> No.7370167

Homer was a singer, but I'd still count him.

>> No.7370170

1. Shakespeare
2. Tolstoy
3. Conrad
4. Montaigne
5. Plato

>> No.7371014

>>7366309
get out

>> No.7371039

1. Ayn Rand
2. Bill O'Reilly
3. Mark Helprin
4. George Orwell
5. Ronald Reagan

>> No.7371185

Shakespeare
Ovid
Chaucer
Homer
Keats

>> No.7371191

>virgil
>cervantes

disgusting

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>>7371039

>> No.7371252

itt: keks posting the western canon

>> No.7371261

Shakespeare
Homer
Joyce
Tom Clancy
Goethe

>> No.7371266

protip: if the author you are thinking about posting needs to be identified with a first name (unlike Shakespeare, Virgil, Goethe, Proust, Rand, Homer, etc.) it doesn't belong on your list.

>> No.7371268

>>7371185

>Keats

Supersonicsidesbursting
foreveryourstrulykeksberg

>> No.7371271

Marquis de Sade
Peter Sotos
Joyce Carol Oates
Margaret Atwood
L Ron Hubbard

>> No.7371272

>>7371185
>Keats
My nigger
>tfw you will never die at the age of 25 and become an instant canonical poet.

>> No.7371298

Hemingway
Dickens
Camus
Shakespeare
Poe

>> No.7372026

one- Conrad
two- Dostoevsky
three- Camus
four- (tokening in) Woolfe
five- Twain :^)

>> No.7372040

>tfw so little people list Wallace

>> No.7372059

>>7366253
1. Dawkins
2. Hitchens
3. Harris
4. Green
5. Rowling

>> No.7372093

>>7366253
>Homer
How on earth anyone would consider him among the five greatest western writers is beyond me. I love them too but this Greek wankery thing needs to end. Virgil's and Ovid's epics are better (the 'fanfiction' meme is the ultimate indication of ignorance), and I'm sure you could find people responsible for superior works outside of antiquity.

>> No.7372123

>>7369895
/lit/ doesn't know anything. It doesn't read history and barely reads fiction.

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Now instead of making a meaningless list, explain why you think they are the greatest writers.

I know that's hard for most of you guys, as you just parrot the opinions of others with not understanding as to why they have that opinion, but i'll be waiting.

>> No.7372182

>>7372158
I accept your condescension.