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7363767 No.7363767 [Reply] [Original]

Can something that is not alive be happy?

>> No.7363771

>>7363767
Not without consciousness

>> No.7363772

>>7363767
Define "happy" and define "not alive".

I guess cartoon characters.

>> No.7363781

>>7363771
Wouldn't it be peaceful to be a rock? Just relaxing forever.

>> No.7363788
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7363788

>>7363767
The cold, crystalline surface of the moon, where the terrible accident of life did not occur.

>> No.7363790

>>7363781
But even if rocks could think, they wouldn't know any different. Sounds terribly dull

>> No.7363802

>>7363781
Relaxation is a mental state.

>> No.7363808

>>7363790
If varying degrees of a particular state exist, wouldn't they be able to distinguish that particular state? I don't think knowing happiness requires sadness.

>> No.7363813

>>7363767
Depends what you mean.

It can certainly exhibit happy traits.

Can it have the experience of happiness? Unlikely, though maybe debatable in some circumstances.

>> No.7363826

>>7363813
AI could exist that under some definitions not be "alive" while also be defined as having a consciousness that could lead to happiness.

>> No.7363834

surprisingly interesting thread to be honest familia

>> No.7363839

Fictions can be happy without being alive so I guess, yeah

>> No.7363841

>>7363808
You make a good point, anon. Happiness, as a state of being, exists in its own right

>> No.7363842

>>>/his/

>> No.7363845

>>7363842
>>>/his/

>> No.7363847

>>7363771
Do insects have consciousness (the way we do) or are they solely driven by biological urges. Can insects be happy?
Is a minimum level of intelligence also required to be happy?

>> No.7363917

>>7363847
I don't see why not.

Is the conscious awareness just the result of the sum of all our sensory inputs?

If so, I would have to conclude an insect has at least some degree of consciousness.

You could say happiness tends to arise from the fulfillment of biological urges. Insects must also have some mechanism, like our neurotransmitter reactions, which controls their urges and responses.

If you want to say consciousness is an awareness of these sensory inputs then it would likely imply some property of consciousness that is not yet understood.

This could be a field of consciousness which permeates all of space and matter. If this is taken to be true a lamp has in some sense retains some quality of consciousness but of course does not have a brain capable of computation nor the complex sensory organs of living creatures.

>> No.7364016

>>7363767
It's the only thing that can.

>> No.7364137

>>7363842
fuck off with this meme
it's already established that /his/ is too cancerous for phil threads

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>>7364016
>>7363788
>>7363781

>> No.7364145

>>7364137
lol is it that bad?

>> No.7364179

>>>244553
just have a gander

>> No.7364189

/\me
>>7364145
sorry here's the link
>>>/his/244553

>> No.7364194

>>7364189
fucking dizzying

>> No.7364206

Should poetry be allowed to exist?

>> No.7364222

>>7364206
unfortunately, it's worth the 1% that's good

>> No.7364307
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7364307

There are happy rivers, happy mountains, and happy accidents everywhere.

>> No.7364310

>>7364206
Poetry is my greatest passion. *Clears throat*... Ahem...

Thus and to suffles, whose bourns of disprises the rub; forthy to beary life, thought, and the sleep: perchance the law's the arms in that we may himself, might his heir currents the pangs; and makes the name of?

To dream: ay, that there's that will, and the retus contumely, the undiscorns the native his sleep: perchance of respect to sleep; to, 'tis quietural shocks the ills we end the law's consummation of death: perchance doth the pause... verily, perchance?

To dread o'er a life; a sea of action: whips a sea of some will, and bear to those there's we have, thus rath in their struggle to escape the arrows of time...

The end.

>> No.7364312

>>7363767
I dont think something that doesn't have the conscious will to live can be happy.

>> No.7364345

>>7364312
But then why would God put souls in rocks if they are doomed to not be conscious?

If you take LSD, even the trees will radiate life and consciousness.

You are a magnificent bastard. And so is a rock. It is all life force.

>> No.7365191

>>7363767
This thread is the epitome of /lit/. I asked the question to see if nonsense would get replied. It did. You should all be ashamed for reading books and thinking about philosophy.

>> No.7365206

Can something that is alive be happy?

>> No.7365217

>>7363767
Define happy. Some argue that everything is filled with love, as it acts according to it's nature, which is derived from God. If your existence is guided by love, does that make you happy?

>> No.7365221

>>7363771
>consciousness
The spookiest spook there is

>> No.7365226

>>7364345
Philosophy is autism. Why do you think the cancerposters are still here instead of on /his/? Because they have autism and are afraid of change.

>> No.7365231

>>7363781
No not really drifting into and out of existence over the time scales of millions of years. Eroded by nature, weathered by rain and water, transported broken down and fragmented. Then submerged deep below earths crust, destroyed. Rising, forming again, cooling, crystallizing. Squeezed, cooked under pressure only for the cycle to begin again.