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/classical/ here. Who were the Beethoven's, Listz's, and Schoenberg's of /lit/? I mean writers who prefigured distant developments of the written word as a whole and founded whole movements and genres?

>> No.7346697

Cervantes, Shakspeare, Sterne, Mallarme to be honest family

>> No.7346820

>>7345842
>Beethoven
Goethe

>Schoenberg
Ezra Pound

>> No.7346827

Homer
Dante
Shakespeare
Goethe
Swift, Rousseau, and Voltaire
Balzac
Proust
Woolf and Joyce
Kerouac
Thompson
Borges
Calvino

and countless others

>> No.7346833

>>7346827
Isn't Calvino just Borges lite?

>> No.7346834

>>7346833
debateably they're both Nabokov lite

>> No.7346836

>>7346834
Borges precedes Nabokov though

>> No.7346849

>>7346836
He does, but to me Calvino, Borges, Nabokov, and GGM can be classified together

>> No.7346863

>>7346849
I really don't see how Nabokov fits in with Borges and Calvino. I mean I have hardly read Nabokov but little about what I have read seems similar. Both Borges and Calvino primarily write highly metaphysical vignettes with equally metaphysical prose and arguably the brunt of it is removed from human experience. Nabokov on the other hand writes stories with complex emotional content and character development.

Gabo at least seems to fit with the other two in the sense that he does the magical realism shtick.

>> No.7346878

>>7346863
Nabokov's entry into that list would be Pale Fire, which is pretty metafictitious and pomo and whatnot. Besides that, yeah, he's the most straightforward.

>> No.7347222

Dickens created genre fiction

>> No.7347497

>>7345842
Homer = Mozart
Dante = Beethoven
Cervantes = Liszt
Rabelais = Porter
Dickens = Brahms
Shakespeare = Wagner
Moliere = Sullivan

>> No.7348520

>>7346878
Yes, closest, but not close enough.

>> No.7348530

ITT: no one has good opinions on classical and lit.

baka desu

>> No.7348543

>>7347497
>>7345842
Surely Homer would be equal to Bach

>> No.7348556

>>7347497
Mozart was the first great composer?

>> No.7348566

>no flaubert

>> No.7348960

Beckett is something like Schoenberg as far as breaking down modernist conventions I think

>> No.7348962

>>7348543
>>7348556
You guys raise a good point. I made that in like a minute. How about:
>Monteverdi - Homer
>Vivaldi - Ovid
>Bach - Socrates
>Mozart - Plato
>Beethoven - Aristotle
>Wagner - Shakespeare
>Cole Porter - Francois Rabelais
>Sullivan - Moliere
>Philip Glass - Thomas Pynchon
>John Adams - Cormac Macarthy

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7348972

>>7348962
You're making me vomit with your shit taste. I'm not joking, as I was reading over your list I tasted a little bit of stomach acid rising up. I ignored it and started forming a response, but it was too late, and I had to leave my room to go barf.

Don't post here again. I find your opinions offensive and dangerous to the health of /lit/ and myself. Pic related, it's your fault

>> No.7348983

I don't know about any of the other ones but Schubert is clearly the Shakespeare of classical music.

>> No.7348987

>>7348972
Okay. That's cool. Go away, now. What kind of books do you like? If you don't like those authors then why are you even on this board? Maybe Moot can make /YA/ for you?

>> No.7349012

>>7348987
I like some of those writers and some of those composers, but matching them together like they're your Barbie dolls is morally and aesthetically offensive. Doing so betrayed your limited understanding of the authors you were discussing and art in general.

I invite you to return to your containment board, /mu/, and to never post here again.

>> No.7349030

>>7349012
I was making comparisons. They're not exactly the same but they share common characteristics. I thought it was interesting to point out the similarities between authors and composers. For example, Moliere and Sullivan both mocked the elite in their works. I was only trying to point out similarities. Get the stick out of your ass. I bet you're the guy making all these shite YA threads. You don't have to match them but list some authors you like, please. I'm curious now. I bet you're under 18.

>> No.7349415

>>7349030
no you're actually just retarded

>> No.7349419

>>7346833
Man they are very different. Did you ask this question meaning that you've not read Calvino or did you mean to indicate that you read him and this is what you think? Most of Calvino is very focused on fairy tale and mythos rather than the post-modern. ioawnat fits in as a post-modern fiction, and very superficially similar to Borges, but not seriously.
>>7346834
yeah and this isn't true

>> No.7349423

>>7348960
You can't mention Beckett here. No one has actually read him.

>> No.7349442

>>7346833
No that's Eco.

>>7345842
Laurence Sterne was 200 years early.

>> No.7349443

I propose associating Beethoven to the Romantic writers: Keats, Shelley, Blake, etc.

>> No.7349448

>>7348962
>Socrates

... wasn't an author as far as we know. Maybe he wrote shopping lists 'n' shizzle but he has no notoriety as a writer.

>> No.7349458

This thread is actually pitiful.

>> No.7349477

>>7348962
>Vivaldi - Virgil
>Mozart - Ovid

Fuck your Plato shit

>> No.7349505

>>7348962
Comparing pinecone and Macarthy to glass and Adams is a fucking insult to those authors.

>> No.7349559

>>7349505
They're bad authors though.

>> No.7349605

Some earlyish American writers: Ralph Waldo Emerson, Edgar Allan Poe, Nathaniel Hawthorne and Emily Dickinson(although I forget when her poems were published) all had pretty significant impacts on literature as a whole. Hawthorne was the first writer to intentionally use symbolism, Poe is widely considered the father of short stories and Emerson pretty much laid out the foundation of what American literature is(up to a point.)

>> No.7349632

>>7349448
I know. I chose that comparison for both Bach's and Socrates' influence on later works. The comparison was that they were early geniuses and are seen as the best inspiration for later artists.

>> No.7349664

>>7349505
I felt Glass and Pynchon both popularized uncommon techniques to get their messages across. Einstein on the Beach and Gravity's Rainbow both used aesthetic choices that were not at all common in order to get the point across. I didn't mean to say that they were equally good, just that they both used uncommon techniques in a seemingly, innovative way.

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7349836

>Beethoven - Euripides (though I feel B's too unique for anything approaching proper analogy)
>Alban Berg - Virginia Woolf
>Schubert - Keats/Whitman
>Berlioz - Melville
>Mahler - Dostoevsky
>Scriabin - Rimbaud
>Richard Strauss - Nabokov

>> No.7349860

>>7349836
schubert - keats is probably the only good comparison ITT

>> No.7349867

Schoenberg is totally Joyce.

>> No.7350335

This is just embarrassing.

>> No.7350348

>>7348962
>Philip Glass
>Anything but a sellout Terry Reilly epigone
>worthy of mention on any list

>> No.7350357

>>7349419
A great deal of Calvino's work is a fedora tip to Borges. Invisible Cities, Cosmicomics, If On a Winter's Night. Furthermore the metaphysical and abstract nature of their prose mirror each other. I would guess that Calvino must have at least had an intimate familiarity with the works of Borges

>> No.7351014

>>7349012
>aesthetically offensive

You don't even know what that sentence implies. Just stop it with your gobbledegook

>> No.7351019

Probably the worst thread in /lit/ history.

>> No.7351028

>>7351019
not sure if absolute worse but it's definitely up there