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[Anonymous No.7341829]

what have you done to combat the spectacle lately?

[Anonymous No.7341838]

>>7341829
u cant combat the spectacle. instead of rejecting pop culture, we should use it as a catalyst for positive social change

[Anonymous No.7341864]

>>7341838
I don't think you've ever read this book.

[Anonymous No.7341866]

>>7341829
Shot my TV and threw it on the pile behind my trailer.

[Anonymous No.7341869]

>>7341864
I don't think u have even witnessed the unstopable fierce juggernaut of flawlessness that is queen bey

[Anonymous No.7341873]

"combating the spectacle" just sounds like reinforcing contrarianism

[Anonymous No.7341882]

>>7341873
>>7341838
I (mostly) agree with these sentiments
I think you misread a bit OP. Go reread the part about Detourment and read further on the Situationists themselves

[Anonymous No.7341886]

>>7341869
Omg Yonce is so perfect like I can't even
*waves hands in front of face* "I woke up like this" :^)

[Anonymous No.7341900]

>>7341829
made memes all day

[Anonymous No.7342013]

>>7341829

Recently I took 1P-LSD with a female friend of mine and then we went on a dérive through a major city. At one point we found a big pile of dog poop and threw it over a bridge onto a moving coca-cola truck.

[Anonymous No.7342100]

>>7341900
you mean the memes made you

[Anonymous No.7342105]

>>7341900
yfw you realize memes have been recuperated by the spectacle and reinforce capitalist oppression

[Anonymous No.7342191]

>>7342105

>by browsing 4chan you are being submersed in and consumed by the spectacle, leaving you with the inability to think about anything without relating it to memes or 4chan and stuck with a tic causing you to mentally say "t b h" after every thought.

[Anonymous No.7342495]

>>7341873
Often, combating the spectacle only really takes the form of a spectacle in its own right. See Occupy Wall Street.

And combating the spectacle isn't about being anti-consumerist or anti-popular culture--the spectacle can be either of those things. The spectacle is the generalized idea of abstract life that emerges when commodities are produced to such an extent that they begin to communicate with one another and constitute a "world" above the world. This world of the commodities can "negated" itself, can present itself as an escape from consumption. It can dress itself as rebellion, as exit, as the non-commodity par excellance--but in the end it is merely the shifting form that the commodity presents itself as.

The spectacle is rooted in the production of surplus-value through the rapid production of commodities.

[Anonymous No.7343003]

>>7341829
can anyone tell me where Baudrillard differs from the situationists?

[Anonymous No.7343026]

>>7343003
Baudrillard understood that there was no way to create situations which actually challenged the spectacle, and that everything would be consumed into the "code", the organising mechanism which functions by unifying everything into a coherent simulation.
As such Baud does not believe that there is any possibility of revolution, instead that the only hope is massive cataclysm, a destruction in total of the modern society.

Debord would later come to agree with Baudrillard, leading to his killing himself in despair. Nonetheless Baud does suggest that there are ways to gradually lead to the code collapsing in on itself by feeding it illogical,contradictory destructive seeds in the form of "fatal theories", which,by their challenge to the code to absorb them, will very slowly lead to its erosion.

>>7341838
in a 2014 interview bell hooks called Beyonce a "terrorist" for pushing the capitalist agenda under the guise of black feminism

[Anonymous No.7343155]

>2015
>thinking neo-marxsim has any value

[Anonymous No.7343162]

>>7343155

[Anonymous No.7343170]

>>7343155
>You're a neo-marxist? In 2015? COME ON!

[Anonymous No.7343175]

>>7343026
I've read some Beaudrillard but honestly I can't explain his writings to another person without sounding crazy. Thank for being coherent. Please go on if you can too.

[Anonymous No.7343194]

>>7341829
>what have you done to combat the spectacle lately?
I refuse to find a job and spam post ironic anti-semitic memes on 4chin

>>7343026
what would baudrillard think of national socialist atmo-black metal?

[Anonymous No.7343372]

>>7343026
holy shit Baudrillard is nihilist.

[Anonymous No.7343531]

not OP but what should i read after this?

[Anonymous No.7343551]

>>7343194

RIP in pieces Fanisk

>you will never hear Omnium

[Anonymous No.7343558]

>>7343531
john gray - straw dogs

[Anonymous No.7344138]

>>7343194
hed think you were all gay faggots

[Anonymous No.7344155]

>>7341838

[Anonymous No.7344200]

>>7341829
I tried, but it was a spectacular failure.

[Anonymous No.7344355]

combating the spectacle is part of the spectacle.

the only winning move is to refuse to take part. oh, and also to remember that the International Situationists officially disbanded in 1972.

[Anonymous No.7344375]

>>7343026

>called Beyonce a "terrorist" for pushing the capitalist agenda under the guise of black feminism

lmao

[Anonymous No.7345852]

what have you done to combat the spectacles lately?

[Anonymous No.7345856]

>be edgy teenager
>getting bad grades, doing drugs and complaining all the time about "society."
>ask dad for money for a book "sure son you can always buy books, books are good."
>get Society of the Spectacle
>Dad throws it away

[Anonymous No.7346008]

>>7343194
>what would baudrillard think of national socialist atmo-black metal?
he would define it as third order simulacra

[Anonymous No.7346099]

>>7343026
could you expand on these 'fatal theories'

[Anonymous No.7346111]

>>7346099
write an article for an academic journal that just repeats the sentence 'everything is futile' for thirty pages and you're on the right track