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733135 No.733135 [Reply] [Original]

ZWG Issue 5 is out naow.

http://zwg.wildwestwaffles.com/
IRC: #ZWG or webchat.freenode.net

Discuss.

>> No.733140

yes! finally!

>> No.733141

You people don't know how to typeset a decent pdf, this zine looks like shit. There are many ways to make it less harsh, and rough.

>> No.733143

thank you for posting this, Anon

>> No.733144
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733144

>Specifically request entry be justified
>Not justified in final edition

>> No.733145

>>733141
i'm sure the zine writers would love your help, sir

>> No.733156

Hmm, this was unexpected.

Nevertheless, issue 5 has been released.

Thanks for viewing

>> No.733158

wow still no errors fixed. why am i not surprised
enjoy having your stories edited without your permission

>> No.733159

>>733144

I agree. Not justified is very unprofessional and bad looking. This kind of simple things should be on a check list.

>> No.733165

nitpickers fuck off

Rain by Rankin is pretty good, no?

>> No.733169

>Submit something to the zine back at the end of April.
>Get reply a few weeks later praising it:
"Really compelling piece. Love the way you paced it, it really keeps your eyes on the page throughout. Small edits here or there. Let us know if you'd like anything added/subtracted/changed before we include it!"
>Doesn't appear in this months issue.
> Instead - more bad Kurosawa film reviews and that Gilgamesh bullshit which noone will even attempt to read.

>> No.733174

>>733159
>This kind of simple things should be on a check list.
Sad thing is this has been complained about for the past four issues, with no resolve in sight.

But, I shall begin reading the stories sometime later tonight and hopefully creating a tier list which may or may not be 100% agreeable.

>> No.733177

>>733165
Appreciated. zine threads wouldn't be the same without the haters, but actual support is the prefered form of bump

>> No.733179

Fuck off gaiafags, spam your shitty zine somewhere else.

>> No.733180

>>>>733169
we have a month lag in submissions

you are scheduled for the 6th edition of the zine

>> No.733182

At long last, I'd been waiting for this. Ignore all this crap, I'm always happy to see a project take off the ground

>> No.733183

Justifying a text is a matter of a few clicks...

How can you forget to do it five times in a row?

>> No.733184

inb4:
>people complain that the typography is 100% shit
>zinefags say "ok help us"
>people help them, providing detailed advice on how to make it look good
>zinefags proceed to ignore them and continue publishing awful-looking crap

>> No.733187

Another Man, by Silas:

Do people even proof read their stuff before they submit it? So full of syntax errors it makes little sense anyway.

Haiku, by Rick K. :
Occasional syllable errors.
I know people like to be minimal with grammar, but to ommit it completely...
'Cunt' never scans well. Ever.

>> No.733191

>>733135
Say, what software do you use?

>> No.733193

>>733184
Indeed.

>> No.733197

>>733180

Thanks for the reply, but I noticed when I submitted it, it still said 'Taking Submissions' on the zine's wiki for Issue 5. To be bumped back an issue is quite frustrating.

>> No.733198
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733198

>>733193
>>733184

>> No.733201

>>733197
Wiki is pretty outdated, to be honest. None of us have time to deal with it, so it rarely gets updated.

But yes, that would be something

>> No.733204

Why a BY-NC-*ND* license?

>> No.733209

>>733204
the better question is why not

>> No.733210

sage for bullshit fucking failure of a project
it's astounding how you guys keep fucking up every issue

>> No.733214

>>733209
Because someone could make something - say, an animation - out of a story and stare it if it were under BY-NC-SA?

>> No.733216
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733216

>>733210
illiterate much?

>> No.733217

>>733210
I'm with you.

>> No.733219

>>733216

Your reply doesn't even make any sense.

>> No.733220

Wow, you've got a shitty attitude.

>> No.733221

Ah, zine time

we need a tier list

>> No.733223

>>733221
Agreed

>> No.733225

lol I was just told a few days ago this project was all but dead, but here is another issue.

Let's see if the submissions are worthwhile.

>> No.733226

Witness to the dawn is prettty nice, this guy has one fuck of a long submission if its not over yet

>> No.733228

>>733225
Really? an unfortunate mix-up. This project shall never die

>> No.733230

the tank

God tier

>> No.733231

looking good, I'll read through it

>> No.733233

Lindlar quit?!?!? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>> No.733234

sage

>> No.733239

>>733234
counter-sage

>>733233
Yeah, it was unfortunate. Ah well

>> No.733245

Fuck yea, Josef K

>> No.733247

don't forget to spam this on gaia guys, for srs

>> No.733249

>>733247
Strangely enough, I miss gamergirl.At least that one had personality

>> No.733250

>>733214
The problem with the BY-NC-SA is:
Let's say there is a piece that is submitted to the project that involves a detailed and precise depiction of killing the President of the United States[1]. This hypothetical piece serves less as a piece of fiction and more as a how-to step by step instructional for all intents and purposes. The piece is logically declined from publication in ZWG. The author, however, feels that it should be in ZWG so he goes and "remixes" the original, including his piece. All of a sudden IPs are traced and people in ZWG are arrested and charged for publishing this piece. The entire possible situation can be avoided by using a BY-NC-ND license.

[1] This example is the first that came to my head. There are of course probably better examples of what the piece could be about. Use your imagination.

>> No.733252

>>733250
Aha, I knew I could count on Caesar!

>> No.733262

>>733250
I see the point. It seems quite unlikely that any such situation would arise but I can understand your desire for extra protection (this being 4chan and all).

INAAL, but perhaps you could then license the stories differently (allow the authors to license them under BY-NC) than the magazine itself (i.e., the layout and compilation)?

>> No.733273

>>733262

You bring up a very important point that should probably be understood by all. ZWG itself is licensed (the compilation), but the individual stories are not. By default the copyright of the individual stories are each owned by each author respectively. Let's say that in the future an author who had submitted one or more works to ZWG wants to produce and publish a work which is a compilation of his own stories to sell. Since he is the copyright holder of all of his individual stories written by him, he has every right under the law to do this.

>> No.733278

>>733273
Oh, then I am okay with this. Could I contact you in order to get in touch with an individual author and negotiate a derivative work?

>> No.733285

>>733278

Yes, this is possible.

>> No.733308

>>733135
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>> No.733312

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>> No.733317

christ, you guys REALLY need a competent graphic designer. i can't believe i'm considering emailing you with an offer to help.

>> No.733326

>>733317
Graphic designer would be great but the least they could do is to typeset it all using LyX. It is really simple.

>> No.733329

>>733317
our cover artist fled, this was a rough placeholder.

if you want the spot, take it. e-mail at zinewritersguild@gmail.com , or better yet just get on IRC so we can talk things over

>> No.733338

I'd be amazed if people outside the writers themselves still give a shit about this

>> No.733341

Does anyone else think the writing in the zine fucking sucks?

Good thing it's free.

>> No.733345
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>>733338
You obviously do

>>733341
If you don't like it, submit something better

>> No.733352
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>>733341

He actually read it!

>> No.733366
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>>733352
Most of these tards are predetermined from the start. A bunch of griping about aesthetics, no real literary complaints

Yeah, the zine is a 4chan project for sure.

>> No.733369

>>733338
Still? You mean "ever."

These thread have only ever been the tripfags and their sycophants posting back and forth at each other hoping to convince /lit/ that there is actual interest. These threads are 200 bumps, 50 sages, and 50 posts of genuine interest at best.

>> No.733373

A note about the IRC folks, if you get one please WAIT for a minute if you want a response- we've got several things going on here and aren't checking 24/7.

>> No.733374

>>733373
*get on

>> No.733418

for curiosity's sake: how many submissions do you receive a month? and how do you decide which ones to put in the zine?

>> No.733443

Ah, the nefarious question of streaming.

Roughly speaking, we receive about 15-20 submissions in a month, so maybe 3-5 e-mails weekly. In the early days there was a rush of anons submitting old work they'd done prior, so we had a jam up of submissions that gave us a lag time of a month.

We accept about 99-8% of entries

>> No.733505

tell me which ones are worth my time, anon.
is the Josef K one good this time?

>> No.733509

>>733505
Josef K is always good

>> No.733517

I'm really glad you guys didn't go spastic with the graphics in this issue. The last issue was simply a ridiculously huge file size, and the graphics (while certainly pretty) didn't make that bitch any easier to read.

I'm probably going to sit down later today and read through this zine. Expect a tier list!

>> No.733533

I really don't like your magazine

>> No.733556

>>733517
Agreed, the graphics were a real pain in the ass to format and whatnot. Not only that, they were often distracting .

but on the other hand they really increased the marketing quality of the zine. I'd love to see a balance of images for future issues if possible

but the graphic artists vanished into thin air :(

>> No.733567

>>733509
yeah... It's good but it's a Part I. Blueballs city.
And given the zine state of things, I dint know if we cam expect an Issue 6.

>> No.733571

Sup, /lit/

I wrote Samuel Johnson's Midnight Entry, and I'd appreciate some feedback :D

>> No.733582
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733582

Cool cover, ZWG.

The easiest way to spot an amateur photographer is to see whether or not they like HDR.

>> No.733585
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733585

>>733517
>Expect a tier list!

Go fuck yourself and all the shitty memes you've ever spat.

>> No.733597

>>733184
Please send us an email with the subject: "JUSTIFICATION PLEASE" explaining exactly what you'd like us to do. We'll have it fixed as soon as we can.

>> No.733598

I enjoyed the first story.

>> No.733600

>>733418
It's mostly "first come first serve," although we occasionally rotate things around if we find ourselves needing a quick one- or two-pager here and there. Mostly we try to space out the really lengthy stories, otherwise people tend to get overwhelmed a bit quickly.

>> No.733606

>>733597

Do you not know what justification means?

>> No.733608

>>733597

Go into the document, press ctrl+a, then ctrl+j. Publish to pdf and upload.

>> No.733609

>>733571

It's probably my favourite of the poetry in this months issue.
I really liked how I found myself almost singing each stanza, it seemed to flow easily and didn't seem to be forcefully 'deep' like some of the other poems.

>> No.733613

>>733571
Great rhythm in the first stanzas, though I felt it wasn't as fluid in some later parts. Overall, pretty fucking good.

>> No.733615

>>733585
So you mad then?

>> No.733618

>>733615
just disappointed that you're killing 4chan and don't even know it

>> No.733619

>>733615
Yeah, but he's also right. Tier lists are the height of arbitrary nonsense.

Just tell us which ones you liked and why.

>> No.733620

>>733609
>>733613

Danke, chaps

>> No.733632

>>733618
Relax, bro.
>>733619
I plan to do this - along with organizing the stories into a tier list - anyway.

Tier lists are fine, as long as you provide justification for your judgments.

>> No.733637

I stopped reading this after the very first issue when I realised that to suggest there is a dearth of literary talent on this board would be to exaggerate the quality of the authors who contributed. Good day.

>> No.733644

>>733637
Judging by the shitty construction of this sentence, I can see your opinion is completely valid.

>> No.733660

Hmm...

Christian Frederiksen submitted some wonderful paintings to accompany "One" for this issue, but unfortunately, it doesn't look like they were included.

You can see them here if you're interested: http://cfrederiksen.blogspot.com/2010/05/first-part-of-series-of-illustrations.html
...along with a host of his other work, which is wonderful stuff.

Editors, if you do end up revising this issue, would it be possible to include his work, or was the stripped down look intentional?

And for what it's worth, let me also throw my hat into the Justified Text ring.

>> No.733688

>>733660
Argh darnit, I knew I missed something

as per usual, we'll update the .pdf

>> No.733774

So what does /lit/ think of this issue?

>> No.733796

So I'm almost finished with my first read-through of the zine. Here are my thoughts on the fiction section:

Agents By Day, Doorsteps By Night - This story got a few chuckles out of me. The writing is simple and keeps it nice and easy to follow. The obvious parody of typical tropes in the spy-thriller genre, while bluntly evident, avoid any degree of feeling forced or pretentious due to their casual implementations. This is probably among my favorite stories in this issue, simply because it doesn't take itself seriously.

Beyond Baena - Pirates in space has been done before, but this story is amazing nonetheless. The language avoids any unnecessary purple prose or complexity, and transitions very well throughout the narrative. While it's nothing more than a typical dogfight between two massive rigs in the outer atmosphere of the planet, it's an AWESOME dogfight between two massive rigs in the outer atmosphere of the planet. Defiantly worth a read.

Coldest Night of November - I wish this was longer. I also wish this had more of a plot. However, it's a pretty damn bitchin' atmospheric piece. The author nails down a noir mood to an absolute Tee, and obviously has a great deal of potential. Worth a gander, I'd say.

Jester's Crown - This is probably my favorite piece in the entire issue. It's short. The language avoids complexity, but is still delightfully colorful. The plot is basic. The message is basic, but hits home very well. There really is no excuse to skip this story.

One, Part 1 - This is pretty cool. The idea has been done before several times, but Joseph K.'s literary knack for writing makes this crank at an apocalyptic survival story pretty refreshing. I'm looking forward to subsequent installments.

One Couple's Car Ride - This story was pretty forgettable. The imagery was nice, but the language seemed a bit forced. The writer obviously has potential talent, though.
...

>> No.733801

...

Pictures - It's a nice tale that pays homage to Lovecraft's stuff. It's very well written, and the author manages to create a very interesting plot in a short narrative. I'd say check it out.

That's what I've gone through so far. If I didn't put your piece up there, it means I simply haven't gotten to it yet. :p

From what I've seen, it's a pretty damn nice issue overall, as far as fiction goes.

>> No.733973

>Beyond Baena - Pirates in space has been done before, but this story is amazing nonetheless. The language avoids any unnecessary purple prose or complexity, and transitions very well throughout the narrative. While it's nothing more than a typical dogfight between two massive rigs in the outer atmosphere of the planet, it's an AWESOME dogfight between two massive rigs in the outer atmosphere of the planet. Defiantly worth a read.
Damn bro, thanks for the praise. Any problems you'd like to see remedied?

The edit ZWG sent me back was pretty much riddled with corrections. Lulz. This is my first attempt at writing fiction, so any more feedback is greatly appreciated.

>> No.733994

Of the three poems I submitted, only one was given feedback and I improved it. It became the best of the three. But it was fucked up in Issue 4 lol

Also
>Chapter Spleen

>> No.734002

>>733973
your incorporation of real-world politics into the plot was admirable, it really made the whole thing feel more realistic. PIrates in space... meh, but well executed.

Nicely done introduction of the super-weapon missle thing, the ending is a good twist

>> No.734013

HAS THE COLLECTOR BEEN SEQUELIZED YET?

>> No.734074

>>733660
All of our graphic artists disappeared, so we didn't incorporate any artwork or pictures beyond the background images for the section headers.

Sorry for the error.

>> No.734095

>>733801

author of pictures here. Thanks for the praise! I'd
love more feedback

>> No.734108

>>733994

So Bleached White Pillars is basically a rip-off of Ozymandias?

>> No.734183

>>734108
A well-done rip off if it is one.

I didn't notice the similarities on my first read

>> No.734215

Any thoughts on the poetry section?

>> No.734242

>>733973
Well, your writing style is fine. Your methods of characterization and story-telling are also top-notch. Keep doing what you're doing, and you're bound to turn into something amazing!

Oh, and would any of you chaps be so kind as to tell me what you thought of "Rain"?

>> No.734275

>>734242
hmm, rain.

Fairly good characterization of the protagonist, but the plot seemed like an anecdote with nothing much happening.

I'd say develop other characters, get some actual interpersonal drama going on. Right now its all kind of vague who these "other" people are

>> No.734388

>>733796

>Beyond Baena = AMAZING

And that's where you lost all credibility for me. It was dollar rag sci-fi and not even well done with too many cliches and stereotypes to be worth the read.

>> No.734426

>>734388
Oh, give me a break. I'm willing to bet you skimmed through the first 50 words and dropped it.

Plenty of stereotypes, but if the reader accepts this for what it is the whole thing is pretty damn good. Impressive use of politics was what stood out to me.

>> No.734448

>>734426

The use of politics was uneccesary fluff that had little to no place in the actual story. Maybe you should come up with more legitimate reasons to support this shoddy sci-fi-fap shit than "hurr durr you no read whole thing".

>> No.734490

>>734448
Prehaps irrelevant, but subtle detail is everything. I liked that, the plot action is sufficently well done as well.

C'mon boy, prove me wrong. Whats not to like? Cliche? It was reasonable

>> No.734505

Anyone going to review the poetry section?

>> No.734515

>>734490

Oh fuck me, you really want me to be detailed.

1) The character of the captain? Ignoring the blatant racist stereotyping, it was typically shitty "mad with revenge" combined with a massive disregard for the bounds of normal human behavior (why the fuck would his command keep giving him ships to lose?)
2) The shitty weapons. "Foster" missiles? Really? And the MIRV nukes? How fucking boring. Sci-fi is about merging art with science to test the bounds of the human condition, not rip-off overused space weapons just to write crappy space fanfiction.
3) The politics were not "subtle details". It was a stupid ploy at trying to be a space opera that served only to prove how non-creative the author is. Also, why expand the plot/setting that much in the beginning if only to completely ignore it for the rest of the story?
4) The shitty "hero pirate" trope. Fuck me if it ain't the criminal so goddamn daring that he gets away with it every time with style to spare.

That enough for ya? I could tolerate the endless similarities/literary deja vu if it wasn't written in such an over-excited, smarmy fashion.

>> No.734536

Seeing as how the release commotion has died down a bit, I'd like to take this opportunity to advertise that the zine is in need of a dedicated anon willing to illustrate future publication covers

We only need one anon to fill this role. If interested please contact us at zinewritersguild@gmail.com, or hop on IRC and chat with us.

We appreciate your support

>> No.734566

>>734515
open a book with a head filled with preconceptions like that, and you will never enjoy it. No matter what the genre.

I don't see too many real problems with what you've complained about

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>>734566

Please, I'm begging you - leave /lit/ now. Just atl-f4 and walk away before you get hurt. Literature is obviously way beyond your level of comprehension. How about you go play some vidya games, huh? Does that sound nice? Does it? That's a good boy!

>> No.734597

>>734593

>Videogames

No, I know what he needs!

He needs to go to /a/ and watch cartoons with the other children.

>> No.734616

>>733973
Don't worry m'boy. Great art often provokes controversy.

>> No.734651

>>734593
Looks like I struck a nerve. Temper tanturm so soon? for shame. I had expected more profess even from the underage b& of /lit/

>> No.734706

So where is that tier list

>> No.734737

>>733230
Thanks.
Any more feedback for "The Tank"?

>> No.734781

>>734737

don't forget about the Armored personal carrier

>> No.734865

>>734781
Good one, bro!!! ROFL!

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>1) The character of the captain? Ignoring the blatant racist stereotyping, it was typically shitty "mad with revenge" combined with a massive disregard for the bounds of normal human behavior

Things to fix when I edit BB: the apparent racist stereotypes. I tried to make Luo seem like an Ahab kind of figure, but meh. Racist? Because I wrote about teh asians? reactionimage.jpg

>The use of politics was uneccesary fluff that had little to no place in the actual story.

This is an excerpt of a much bigger story. The politics were somewhat distant to the point of this particular piece.

>> No.734900

>>734873
I have no idea what he found racist about the character... possibly casting them as the"evil chinese"?

>> No.734963

Last call for feedback on "Samuel Johnson" before I hit the sack.

>> No.734982

The fact that they're Chinese didn't seem to have any bearing on anything, as far as I could see...

Unless it's racist to have them lose.

>> No.734988

>>734963
interesting, it came off as almost completely neutral to me. Nice idea, fair formatting, but prehaps less dramatic emphasis than could have been.

but thats a brief look over

>> No.735005

Hey guys,

Any feedback for "The Dreamer" Parts 1 and 2?
That was the first short story that I wrote that I actually thought was worth a read.

>> No.735037

>>735005
hmm, it was definitely an interesting read.

Part .1 was good, part .2 felt a little rushed, but still nicely done.

Prehaps you should've added more content to round the piece out

>> No.735046

>>735037

Ah thank you! And yes, I agree with the rushed part. I will get around to revising the ending, to round things off and make it more complete.

>> No.735049

Is there anything in this magazine that is good?

I mean I don't want to waste my time reading through an ocean of shit to finally get to that one clean well put together story.

>> No.735083

what a horrible cover

>> No.735104

>>735049
three writers pulled out of the magazine before it came out because they were editing people's stuff without permission

>> No.735111

>>735104
Slander, I really doubt that happened

>> No.735202

>>735111
there was a huge thread about it with screenshots and comparisons but you were probably busy spamming ZWG on gaia or something

>> No.735212

>>735202
Hey, fuckhead. Fuck off.

>> No.735214

Don't let this thread die :(

>> No.735225

>>735212
I owe you
big

>>735214
Prehaps we can archive this thread for a change?

>> No.735245

>>735214
Especially with so little feedback to the authors.

>> No.735251

>>735245

Well, I asked for some feedback to "The Dreamer" and only one person replied.
Heh, even a crappy tier list would be welcome right about now...

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ITT

>> No.735262

>>735251
Always a problem, I"m willing to bet we'll get more feedback as time goes on and people actually read through the darn thing

>> No.735308

bamp

>> No.735446

There's that comment forum... but no one uses it.

>> No.735450

>>735446
Because no one reads the zine.

>> No.735458

>>735446
Well maybe you should fukkin advertise it sometime!! You're telling me there was a way to give constructive feedback without having to dogfight with it amongst all the bullshit on 4chan?

For fuck's sake, man!

>> No.735467

I wish all these complaining faggots would just shut the fuck up and read the damn zine.

This issue is pretty fuckin' sexy in terms of the /lit/ contained within, IMO.

>> No.735493

>>735458
let me step in and clarify this:

We had a forum up for the last issue, It had some use and was a good idea. Lindlar was in charge of it, and then he quit

so we're waiting righ now to get in contact with him for one of the other editors to be granted admin status. And yes, it is prudent to start advertising CHANGES to the zine more often.

>>735467
yes, the submissions in this issue are generally very well written. Nice to see /lit/ at its best for a change

>> No.735537

Ah, so some of you enjoyed "Agents by Day"? Glad to hear, author here!

>> No.735540

What did everybody think of the poetry section?

>> No.735650

>>735540
A nice turn-out, I'm halfway through witness to the dawn right now

>> No.735875

is witness to the dawn worth reading?

>> No.735997

>>735467
Yeah, there's definitely more quality material than in previous issues.

>> No.736102

how often does this zine come out?

>> No.736160

>>736102
They aim for twice a month.

>> No.736210

I'm actually amazed by the fact that not only is the zine out, but it's actually at issue 5 (which probably means it's thriving, or at least have enough of an audience).

It's my first visit to /lit/ since... when was it? It was when all this was a plan and people were submitting shit. Again, amazing.

>> No.736254

>>736160
Not anymore, we don't. We are now on a once-a-month schedule unless we decide otherwise. Issue 4 became a massive clusterfuck at the end that we just didn't have enough time to do properly, which is why it suffered so much. Issue 4 was huge, two days late, and still has too many unresolved problems.

While Issue 5 has its share of things that need to be addressed, it's certainly a lot cleaner than previous issues.

For now, we're going to stick to a once-a-month release schedule and hope for the best. We're also much more limited in resources than before, as a number of contributing artists and editors are no longer with us.

>> No.736273

>>735245
We are (hopefully) working on improving means for people to provide feedback for the authors.

Nobody wants an actual forum to register on, so we're not doing that.

There is a comments section on the site, but it's pretty much unused. I believe it also requires registration.

Generally, the more work we make other people do in order to provide feedback, the less attention it'll actually get. That's also why email is not a great method, because most people don't want to go through that kind of effort. 4chan makes it easy because there's no investment. Unfortunately, it's also quite limited (both in staying power and its ability to allow effective commentary).

So we're still thinking of better ways to improve audience <--> author communication. If anyone has any ideas, come talk to us in IRC or send us an email. I'm there from 7:30 AM - 4 PM PST.

>> No.736283

If shit is so huge and you're so short on people... well, ever thought of making it smaller? Be more selective, and focus on quality?... Or are you still emphasizing the participation of anons?

>> No.736284

>>736273
Why not just hold irc chats with the authors every month then?

>> No.736308

>>736284
We advertise the IRC in every thread. It's mentioned on the wiki and on the website. There's not much more we can do to convince people to come talk to us. Also, we're not in IRC 24/7, and a lot of people are in different time zones, so it's not always possible for us to conveniently meet up that way.

Some people show up in IRC and hang out with us, and that's cool - they often end up contributing a lot of good stuff to the zine (and we probably haven't thanked them officially for it). However, being 4chan, we also get a large number of timewasters who just come in to make fun of us or spam the channel.

tl;dr: We can only do so much without being too pushy, which would be a P.R. disaster.

>> No.736320

>>736283
Our primary goal is to publish the work. We've focused on ~90 pages as a good solid number for publication.

Keep in mind none of us are professionals at this - we're all just volunteering our time to this project because we like to see people express themselves creatively, and we like being part of something that gives them voice.

Personally, I'll take pretty much whatever help I can get. While /lit/ complains a lot about our mistakes (many of which are very justified and good complaints), we still only have basically two or three of us doing all the compiling in InDesign.

>> No.736338

>>736320
Huh. So you did end up using InDesign. Cool.
Well--I might be able to help with compiling. Had some experience with PageMaker, which is probably not too different from InDesign (yeah, PageMaker, old stuff...)
Do you want help?

>> No.736348

>>736338
Come talk to me in IRC some time between 7:30 AM and 4 PM PST on weekdays. I'm on IRC while at work, even if I'm not always at the keyboard. Prolish, Goldensox, and Globulous often hang out in IRC as well.

Failing that, send us an email, please. Be verbose about what you have to offer and what you'd like to do, and we can try to work something out.

Step 1: Get a copy of Adobe CS4. Beg, buy, steal - but that's what we've standardized on.

>> No.736359

>>736308
> P.R. disaster
That's grown-up talk right here.

>> No.737405

>>736273
Anything you can do to encourage commentary for authors would be great.
Also, I think it would help to post strong excerpts from the issue in these threads. It would bring more attention to the works and possibly away from the formatting debates.

>> No.738386

>>736359
Indeed
Hidden bump

>> No.738499

This thread is kinda scant on feedback, /lit/

>> No.738597

>>738499
What did you write so we can provide quicker feedback?

>> No.738708

>>738597
I wrote Pictures

>> No.738879

Author of Rain here. While I agree that feedback is lacking in this thread, we really shouldn't shove it onto /lit/ to do the critiquing for us. IMO, it should be the writers' responsibility to read the zine and provide feedback to fellow authors. After all, what we're participating in is a group effort to release an enjoyable collection of works; and from my point of view, it doesn't exist solely for you to submit something and expect instant constructive criticism with no effort from your end.

Oh, and just so I don't get called out for being a hypocrite, I was the guy that made these posts:

>>733796
>>733801

>> No.738947

>>738879
This would be nice. I've done some critique on here as well... but 4chan shall be 4chan.

>> No.738964

ZIONIST
WORLD
GOVERNMENT

>> No.739001

>>738964
getting a little eager, are we?

>> No.739007

>>738964
I bet the Jews did this...

>> No.739673

>>738879

Hey Author of Rain, have you read both parts of "The Dreamer"? Can you give me some feedback regarding it?

I'll admit that I haven't read much of the last two zines due to schoolwork and other matters, but I'll do my best over this week.

>> No.739940

Is it possible to get in contact with the authors to give them direct feedback?

>> No.739959

>>739940
Most of them have pages on the wiki with email addresses. Who are you looking fer?

>> No.740050

Awesome, downloadan.

Screw the haters, it's good to see a 4chan project actually come to fruition.

>> No.740064

The first story is absolutely ridiculous, in a good way.

>> No.740123

I just came here from /tg/ and I've never heard of this before, but... would there be any interest in asking any of the writefags over there to contribute?

>> No.740148

>>740123
Yup, we'd love to hear from you

send us an entry at zinewritersguild@gmail.com

:3

>> No.740175

>>740123
And if you want to ask any of the writefags over there about submitting for us, go for it!

right now we've got a minor debate going on regarding making the zine a 4chan vs /lit/ project, so I can't really start posting on there myself...

but on the other hand, anon can do as it pleases. If you catch my drift...

>> No.740198

Every time this thread gets resurrected, one of the tripfags is there to answer a question.

No, it's not a coincidence.

>> No.740272

>>740198
*my cue *

>> No.740279

we are submitting The Penis Was

>> No.740285

I think "The Penis Was" would make an excellent contribution to the publication. Please consider our submission.

>> No.740299

>>740279
>>740285
Heh, I was considering the possibility

let me speak with the others, but I'mokaywiththis.jpg

>> No.740319

where is the sci-fi stuff??

>> No.740330

where's the gypsies?

>> No.740338

Where are the readers?

>> No.740339

>>740299
show them the thread that explains the poem though, or they might not get it at first

>> No.740347

>>740339
Agreed. For the record, it's right here: >>738659

>> No.740361

>>740319
The Joseph K story is soooort of sci fi, I spose.

>> No.740725

>>738879
Author of Pictures here. You're right. Here's my thoughts:

Agents: Reading that was like an acid trip, in a good way. Made me laugh. It's a strange combination of Austin Powers and Metal Gear. I kept replacing Bob and Steve with Snake and Raiden.

Beyond Baena:It's a good starting story. Writing wise it was very repetitive (there are other words for ship, and pronouns exist for a reason), but I read up thread that this is your first story. In that case it's not so bad, but I'll expect more in the future.

Coldest Night of November: The writing here really shines I think. The story's incredibly short but the author manages to create a great mood. I honestly thought there had to be some kind of mistake when I saw that it was only a page long. I'd love to see more of this.

>> No.740726

>>740725

One: looking forward to the next part of this. The plot's a little typical, but the writing catapults it up into something far better than it might have been. Taut as a trap wire.

One Couple's Car Ride: Perhaps this seems more of a letdown after One and Jester's Crown, but this was really weak. Even looking past the cliched introduction and dialogue between the two characters, the writing is just...bad. It's very childish. I don't find myself caring about it at all.

Rain: Again, great writing saves a story. Reminds me a lot of Jester's Crown, though it's on the other end of the spectrum--it's not a happy story so much as a hangover after a really bad party you only went to for the booze. Really loved the descriptions here.

The Dreamer: Loved the ending. I knew it had to be coming once she was successfully created, but I still wasn't looking forward to it. Tom's heartbreak is pretty damn infectious.

The Man who Never Was-- gets better as it goes. The beginning of the story really turned me off, got a bit better in the middle, then ended like a badly conceived creepypasta. Not my favorite.

The Tank: Holy shit that was good. Characterization was brilliant, flowed along excellently, and the imagery was great. Up there with One on my favorites list.

>> No.740730

>>740726
Jester's Crown: Another excellently done short piece. The writing's spotless and surreal. Can't think of anything that really needs improving. The whole story is a ray of hazy sunshine. Definitely a favorite.

Finishes up the section. Always more of a prose girl than poetry.

>> No.740904

>>740319
I should send some of my shit in then, get all the sci-fi you could want.

>> No.741437

>>740726
I'm glad you liked The Tank.
Here are some thoughts I had about Pictures:
Your writing has a natural flow, which I love, and there are great lines in there, like "But the woman was made of steel, of stone and mortar; fighting her was fighting gravity." And the shopkeeper was fucking great. But I didn't give a shit about Sam, Meg, Jane, or Greg. I think you could limit it to Elise, cut down on the discussion of creepy rumors about the board, and get to the actual scene at the store sooner.

>> No.741583

>>741566
this.

>> No.741606
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741606

>>733135
Typeography.

>> No.741813

>>741606
Seriously, is there a reason you people won't justify the text? YOU NEED TO DO THIS.

Also, lol:
>While /lit/ complains a lot about our mistakes (many of which are very justified and good complaints), we still only have basically two or three of us doing all the compiling in InDesign.
>complains a lot about our mistakes (many of which are justified and good complaints)
>justified complaints

>> No.741825
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741825

>>741813

>> No.741846

use TeX to achieve
>>741606

>> No.742142

EDITUS. Please. I want to know. Why do you refuse to justify? Justify this choice!

>> No.742767

>>741813
>>742142
I am fixing this right now. However, until we contact our webmaster, it won't be uploaded to the website until he gets around to it / checks his email. If you really want, i can post a link to a mediafire hosting link or something here.

Also, we've made an ePub version for people who want to read this on eReaders. Since none of us have one, someone else will have to tell us how it looks. We just used InDesign's ePub export system, so we're kind of assuming it looks okay.

>> No.742798

>>734108

Rip-off is such an ugly word...

>> No.742835

>>742767
I've finished.

I've replaced the images with a higher quality version (at the cost of some filesize), justified all the entries in the Fiction section, and fixed a few typos.

PDF and ePub versions will be available once the webmaster uploads them.

>> No.742852

The one day I make a thread saying ZWG was fun while it lasted, this came out. Fucking awesome. What took so long though?

>> No.742855

>>742835
How many stories have illustrations this time? How big is the file. Last one was unwieldy.

>> No.742862

>>742852
Actually, if you look at the date, you'll realize it's not "the one day", this thread has been around for three days.

>> No.742873

>>742855

None, and the pdf is about 1.2Mb.

>> No.742882

>>742855
None. Our graphic artists all fled, so it's all plain text.

Currently the PDF is like 1.5 mb. The updated version we're about to upload is 5.3 mb, because I didn't compress the images as much. There are only four images in the whole thing - cover, and the three section headers (review, poetry, fiction).

>> No.742886

>>742873
Er... what about the illustrations dis guy was talking about?
>>733660
Not including those?

>> No.742917

>>742886
That's being added "shortly." By "shortly" I mean probably tomorrow at this point.

That will probably bump the PDF up a few more notches in size, but depending on people's reactions, I'm going to continue to push for less compression on the images and higher filesize, because I think image quality is important for a PDF like this.

Still, the 90 mb we had for Issue 4 was just a disaster, and that was mostly due to logistical problems of combining multiple formats at the last minute. Thankfully, we don't have that problem this time around.

>> No.743295

>>741846
I actually did >>741606 in Word of all things. (cmr comes in .ttf, don'tcha know).

Good type is achievable in most programs at the level of page layout and font selection. Automatic letter and word spacing... varies.

>> No.743346

So is "The Penis Was" going to be in the next issue or were you just fucking with us?

>> No.743350

>>743346
>>743346
shit meme is shit. just because you were there does not make it funny.

>> No.743355

>>743350
Don't look at me, YOU wrote it too.

>> No.743359

>>743350
>he wan't there and has to think negatively of it because of that

you just mad cuz we stylin on you

>> No.743368

>>733133

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>> No.743496

>>743346
It will be in the next release, a month or so from now.

>> No.743501

>>743496
It should be on the Cover, do it dammit.

>> No.743525

>>743501
We haven't even started compiling the 6th edition yet, so we'll see.

>> No.743647

>>733174
>>733517
>>733632
Where are the fucking tier lists? How will anyone know what to read?

>> No.743665

>>743647
Seconded.

>> No.743680

>>743665
You cuntbillies. Multiple people gave actual detailed opinions of the fiction parts, with actual feedback. Look at those and see what you think is worth reading.

It looks like "One" and the "Jesters Crown" were both well liked.

>> No.743698

>>743680
Tier lists are concise.

>> No.743705

>>743698
No. They're arbitrary rankings. Quantity ratings based on a subjective quality judgement. They're lazy and pointless.

>> No.744123

>>743705
You shut up.

Someone do a Tier List.

>> No.744225

>>744123
Tier list:
Shit tier:
Tier lists.

>> No.744450

Just read the joseph K story- and all I could think of was "the stand" by stephen king
Captain tripppppppssssss

Nicely done, however. An effective way of breaking up the story into a two-part entry

>> No.744475

Poetry tier

>> No.744512

You'll get one tomorrow

>> No.744624

>>744512
holding you to that, anon.

>> No.744639

while i have not downloaded this, i AM glad it exists at least and will perhaps someday contribute and read.

I think it'd be ideal if you guys could get a small dedicated website where people could leave comments on stories without having to sign up or anything. Hoping to read the thread on 4chan where some people leave a couple short comments for a couple days after the zine is released isn't as fun as getting some permanent place where people can access back issues and give feedback, and also read the comments on other stories to either decide what to read or comment on other people's comments as well.

>> No.744676

>>744639
Agreed. Why not what creepypasta.com has? They have anon commenting.

>> No.744733

>>744450
Who says it's only gonna be two parts?
Also, there's a lot of disease apocalypse fiction, not just the Stand. It seems to be more abnout how the narrator is a psychopath.

>> No.745309

>>733230
This is the tier list. Done.

>> No.745344

>>740725
>>733796
Thank you for the praise, I have a few ideas on how I could set a few more stories in that setting, been meaning to do so for a long time now but this praise really gives me a boost. It was made after watching old batman cartoons and working down on 16th street doing night shifts.

>> No.745451

>>745344
make it longer facemask boy.

>> No.745470

I've added in the illustrations/artwork for Josef K's "One, Part 1" story.

The latest version will be published on the website as soon as the webmaster does it.

>>744676
That's something we're definitely working on. We want to make the comment process as efficient and simple as possible, but we can't do it without some degree of moderation (if it's anonymous and registration free, it's easy for it to be spammed all to hell). Hopefully we'll have something up for the next issue, but I make no promises on that step - it's a work in progress.

>> No.746476
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746476

As promised

*I hate word filters

>> No.746583

>>746476
took you long enough

>> No.746595

>>746476
Nothing for fiction?

>> No.746603

>>746595
OHH, YOU WANT A FICTION LIST AS WELLL DO YOU? WELL GODDAMNIT YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT POSSIBLY LATER ARGHGHGHGHGHG

>> No.746707

>>746603
i am ok with this please take your time

>> No.746900

>>746603
TIER IT UP

>> No.746913

>>746476
charlie writer here. Thanks for the opinion

>> No.747147
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747147

All right, first impressions

Almost all the pieces were of a very high quality, I had a hard time discriminating where each should go. At the very least, read the God and God-like tiers, the Good tier is also worth it to read.

Only had one work I honestly didn't like, The review as basically uninformative.

>> No.747155

>>747147
Overlap of the Man who Never was. That one goes in the godlike tier

>> No.747319

this thread is still around? jeeze

>> No.747363

>>747147
Author of pictures. Thanks for the praise bro.

>> No.747370

hay i've been there. In one of those buildings, I mean

>> No.747550

>>746476
>God Tier
>Witness to the Dawn, Part 2

You are a cretin.

>> No.747609

>>747550
for liking a perfectly awesome epic poem?

Chap, I think it is you who is the cretin

>> No.747832

>>735005
I haven't read Part 1, but part 2 was good, even if the use of language in the story left it feeling rather juvenile and hard to read in some places.
I liked the actual content of the story, the premise was good; but the execution was a little rough. 6/10

>> No.747919

>>747832
Poster of the tier list here:

I agree with this guy. Language was very juvenile at times, but the concept was great and the structure seemed fine. But seriously, you can't expect the world from developing writers, they are DEVELOPING

>> No.747969

Author of The Dreamer here.

I've just finished reading Pictures and The Tank.

Pictures: I loved it. Short and bittersweet, like really damn good chocolate. The idea was executed flawlessly, and I really admire your melding of horror and magic realism (which is my favorite genre to write in). The twist sent chills down my spine, and I imagine a sort of devil-shewoman as the lady at the end, flicking out a business card from nowhere and shoving it into my palms. Great ending as well.

The Tank: I loved the gritty and grimy atmosphere of this story. The dust and the brick and the smells of the inner city seemed to emanate from this story as I was reading it. The language fit very well with the depressing, nihilistic mood of the story. What did the bums, prostitutes, and beggars know that the machines and construction workers didn't? Nothing worth fighting for, apparently. Wow.

>> No.748266

Whens the new justified text version with the pretty pictures going up? HUH?

>> No.748652

>>748266
It's already up.
Pictures are cool, man.

>> No.748729

>>748652
Indeed,I would like to point this out. The fact that we missed including these images the first time around is quite shameful, we were considering reprinting the whole story and images in the upcoming issue of the zine to compensate.

But having anon just download again and look it over here would be much easier for us

>> No.748843

>>747609
It is shit. It has no rhythm, no beat, it is juvenile in its imagery, it lack an epic character, and it is typographic shit on a page.

Oooh look at me, I'm pressing spacebar.

>> No.748862

>>748843
I felt It had rythmn enough, the kind of off-balance thing was actually fairly interesting. And the spacebar trick seemed particularly interesting to me

Meh. different opinions

>> No.748869

>>748862
wipe the ee cum out of your eyes
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;anonymous.

>> No.748877

>>748869
>I'm gonna throw a temper tantrum because someone disagrees
>waaaa waaa waaa
derp

>> No.749032

>>748877
>Hurr, I am incapable of poetic critique and enjoy eating faeces.

If you're going to attempt an epic, work up epic themes in short form first. And don't ee cum all over the page.

>> No.749075

>>745451
Slowly working on it. And got a few other ideas.

>> No.749992

>>748729
Anon, you should check out the new version. Not only is it JUSTIFIED, the art on One is amayzing.

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750123

>>749992
not sure how to respond to that

>> No.750137

>>750123
smile and nod. smile and nod.

>> No.750377

AW SHIT I FORGOT IT WAS ZINEWEEK

Time to get my dose of Josef K, Witness to the Dawn, The Dreamer, Blood on the Tra

wait

Where the fuck is blood on the tracks?

>> No.750396

>>750377
Alas, we don't have a part three to release... yet. we're hoping we'll get one soon

>> No.750416

>>750396
Tell me at least that the next issue will include One, Part 2 (lol).

>> No.750429

>>750416
now that is something I can guarantee

>> No.751237

Bump of literary justice.

>> No.751366

>>751237
Co-Bump

>> No.752089

As a Justified Text critic, let me just say.

Thanks.

Also BOUT FUCKING TIME.

Also, general quality is much higher now.

>> No.752909

No Tier list yet? WTF /lit/

>> No.752998

>>752909
Did you even look at the thread? There was a tier list, but it was a bit fucked. The One and The Tank were supposed to be in God Tier. If you haven't read those and Pictures, fucking do it.

>> No.754034

>>752998

I would have been very happy if "The Dreamer" was up there in quality along with Pictures...

>> No.754145

>>754034
Your ending just seemed really abrupt.

Pt.1 was easily on par with pictures, pt.2 felt rushed

>> No.754676

>>754145
Yeah, the ending has been pointed out before. I will revise it in my own time! But thank you for the stuff regarding part 1.

>> No.755275

>>754676

Keeping this alive for supernatural reasons.

>> No.756861

>>755275
This has got to be one of the longest surviving threads on 4chan right now.

>> No.756891

>>756861
Never thought this would last a week... wow /lit/ is slow.

>> No.756911 [DELETED] 

>>733133

"w" + "m" - "m" + "w" + "n" - "n" + "w" + "e" - "e" + "." + "z" - "z" + "a" + "o" - "o" + "n" + "r" - "r" + "o" + "i" - "i" + "n" + "s" - "s" + "t" + "q" - "q" + "a" + "e" - "e" + "l" + "y" - "y" + "k" + "i" - "i" + "." + "c" - "c" + "s" + "m" - "m" + "e" + "j" - "j"

>> No.756988

>>756861

There's no reason to let it die out now! Just a couple more hours, and we can safely say that this thread lasted an entire week, which I would presume is quite an accomplishment.

>> No.757202

>>756988
And a testament to the zine's popularity.

>> No.757221

erm... back in the day these threads 404ed within a day BECAUSE THEY REACHED BUMP LIMIT!


you guys are pathetic...

>> No.757234 [DELETED] 

>>733134

"w" + "u" - "u" + "w" + "v" - "v" + "w" + "e" - "e" + "." + "d" - "d" + "a" + "o" - "o" + "n" + "r" - "r" + "o" + "u" - "u" + "n" + "m" - "m" + "t" + "s" - "s" + "a" + "f" - "f" + "l" + "j" - "j" + "k" + "m" - "m" + "." + "g" - "g" + "s" + "e" - "e" + "e" + "n" - "n"

>> No.757295

>>757221

Excuse me sir, how are we considered "pathetic"? If your statement is true, "back in the day", then this thread shouldn't exist "back in the day". However, since this thread obviously exists, you are wrong and thus stripped of any respect I had for you previously.

Good day sir.

>> No.757314

>>757221
No thanks, I'm not a nazi anymore.

>> No.758506

>>745470

Well, you guys don't need to wait to have a dedicated mod or anything to put it up. If you could put something like that up I'd definitely read and comment on the stuff in the zine, and be more likely to submit something, and I'm sure the authors would like that too, even if they have to scroll past some spam. I mean, we're all on 4chan anyway, anonymous posting and spam isn't anything new, but the lack of permanence of the forums like /lit/ makes people want to respond less, I think. The readers don't even know if the writers are going to read their criticism, the writers don't know if the readers will, and it dies out after a week at most when on other writing forums you could potentially get feedback on stuff for months.

>> No.758640

>>740725
>>740726

Author of Pictures, how can I contact you if I wanted you to critique my stuff and I can critique yours? Author of The Dreamer here.

>> No.758747

>>758506
this.

>> No.759058

>>758640
Email me at this address and I'll probably get back to you within the hour. Thanks for the interest, and compliments, everyone!

Pictures is actually part of a story cycle. I'll probably submit the other parts to ZWG too.

>> No.761016

fuck this board is slow

>> No.761031

>>733132

omg u totally wont believe this its like insane dude http://tinyurl.com/26ly2dn i lullzed several hours on dat thang lulzzzz 389233e0e815646ffff498f2391f3344

>> No.761037

>>757295
that does not even make sense

>> No.762502

>>761037

Regardless, you have failed in your attempts to destroy this thread! Long live ZWG!

>> No.763355

>>762502
Nothing kills this thread, ever. So are those all the comments for the authors? No one's contesting that tier list?

>> No.763360

What the hell is the bump limit on /lit/ anyway?

>> No.763357 [DELETED] 

>>733132

is u a poop sausage wat lulz 94f5aeb4cec2c46e38f1ffa58558aa56

>> No.763366 [DELETED] 

>>733133

is u a poop sausage wat lulz 2c869f118fb70f4a590e8505153530ce

>> No.763381

>>763360
when the spambot stops posting