>>>/his/ IS UP I REPEAT >>>/his/ IS UP

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Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:07:24 2015 No.7306748 [Reply] [Original]

>>>/his/ IS UP I REPEAT >>>/his/ IS UP

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:08:39 2015 No.7306752 >>7306748 no

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:08:43 2015 No.7306753 well, I checked

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:09:22 2015 No.7306756 >>>/his/catalog this should work

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:11:04 2015 No.7306763 boards.4chan.org his catalog put slashes where the spaces are

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:11:19 2015 No.7306765 >>7306756 no

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:12:01 2015 No.7306767 >>7306748 Nope

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:12:41 2015 No.7306772 >>7306765 >>7306767 >>7306753 >>7306752 see >>7306763

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:18:13 2015 No.7306784 File: 126 KB, 1280x769, F4NT4ST1C 1TS NOTH1NG.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7306772 THR34DS WH3N?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:20:27 2015 No.7306788 File: 14 KB, 306x360, hey.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7306784 don't know

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:28:25 2015 No.7306810 File: 44 KB, 2048x232, 1446302889654.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /his/ soon I really hope it doesn't go to shit, it probably will but I will do my best

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:35:36 2015 No.7306824 ITS ALIVE ITS ALIVE !!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:38:08 2015 No.7306830 HOW THE FUCK IS IT ALIVE, POST A SCREENCAP

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:39:14 2015 No.7306833 >>7306830 it's alive faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:40:02 2015 No.7306834 >>7306830 >>>/his/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:40:46 2015 No.7306835 File: 159 KB, 1330x714, alive.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7306830 join the funposting, anon :3

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:40:58 2015 No.7306836 >>7306834 for some reason >>>/his/ doesn't work >>>>/his/catalog works though

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:41:12 2015 No.7306837 >>7306830 >>7306834 Not yet I guess >>>/his/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:42:01 2015 No.7306840 >>7306810 I really hope he turns of flags, it's a terrible idea. No one's nationality should matter in historical discussion and this just opens the door to lowly xenophobic and racist behavior.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:42:18 2015 No.7306841 >flags great, most posters ignoring my posts because of where Im from

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:42:25 2015 No.7306842 >>7306835 /pol/ already took it over. All is lost.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:42:58 2015 No.7306843 >>7306841 learn 2 proxy

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:43:22 2015 No.7306846 holy shit, there's nearly 1000 posts on it already. I posted and I was number 920

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:45:24 2015 No.7306850 >>7306835 >flags why

>>	gallowsCalibrator Sat Oct 31 17:46:24 2015 No.7306853 >>7306842 1V3 N3V3R S33N 4 BO4RD GO TO SH1T SO F4ST 1T WOULD B3 1MPR3SS1V3 1F 1T W3R3NT SO S4D

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:48:06 2015 No.7306856 Lulz epic memes bro

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:50:49 2015 No.7306866

it's just so fucking bad, every single history board

i am devoting the rest of my worthless life to this fucking specialty so i know for a fact that it is the easiest specialty to posture about

every single history board is nothing but posturing and you can't have any decent discussion ever. it's nothing but people who played video games touting their tiny little bits of knowledge and choking out any actual discussion. every single thread is the most asinine fucking theorycrafting by people who know nothing.

/lit/ history threads are nice because they have this weirdly automatic climate of deference for people who know more, and wariness of talking about shit you don't know anything about. /his/ boards are nonstop UH EXCUSE ME, I THINK I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT CROMWELL... by "guy who read about cromwell in a popular book and has literally read nothing else ever in his entire life"

i hate /his/ boards and i hate that it is probably going to choke out what little history discussion happens on /lit/ which i actually happen to really like, i hope new board dies of aids

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:53:13 2015 No.7306872 >& Humanities At long last, the end of religion on /lit/. Thank God.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:55:07 2015 No.7306877 >>7306872 So is it basically /phil/ as well?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:56:07 2015 No.7306881 >>7306872 Oh my god what will be of this board I mean you CAN'T separate humanities from literature in discussion Will this board be Bloom's ideal world where we just talk about the BEAUTY of text or something?

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:56:24 2015 No.7306882

>>7306872
>>7306866
I think they'll still survive on this board.

It's only the first few moments after opening but I can already tell it's going to be another /pol/. The environment doesn't feel conducive to actual discussion. Hopefully there's some strict moderation the first few days and more defined rules in place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:57:19 2015 No.7306886 >>7306748 It's been up for less than a day and it's already complete shit. Fuck /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 17:58:50 2015 No.7306893 >>7306886 Every new board is full of shitposted garbage at the start. It's what the board is like a few weeks/months from now that matters. I predict it will still be complete shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:01:02 2015 No.7306898 >post kings who did cool shit >what's the best empire? >what would have happened if... >who's the most badass general? >"history of X general" with no decent content whatsoever God it's exactly what we've been saying it would be.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:01:27 2015 No.7306899 >>7306893 They should just ban the discussion of WW2 as a whole. That would cut down on the /pol/tards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:01:54 2015 No.7306900 >>7306886 >less than a day Less than half an hour actually

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:02:50 2015 No.7306904

>>7306877
If the mods ban any form of discussion from /lit/ due to this I'll make hiroshima nagasaki wish he died in the nuclear bombings
it fucked up /d/ with the creation of /aco/, but that's not a big deal because they're just porn boards filled with garbage, but /lit/ actually has a decent level of discussion compared to other parts of this site that now will flood in and destroy any form of discussion

>thread about ancient indian philosophy
>POO IN LOO LOL
and so on

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:03:45 2015 No.7306910 Cool another place for /pol/ shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:06:58 2015 No.7306916 This will go badly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:08:45 2015 No.7306922 I fucking hate /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:10:30 2015 No.7306926 >>7306748 So that's basically a third of /lit/ gone; now make one for 'theology+philosophy' and suddenly /lit/ seems like a really small place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:10:32 2015 No.7306927 If what happened to /d/ after /aco/ we are fucked dudes Nice knowing you I look forward too /infinitejestgeneral/ forever

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:12:33 2015 No.7306930 >>7306926 >now make one for 'theology+philosophy' /his/ is for humanities also

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:13:40 2015 No.7306933 >>7306930 There is no way to have a decent discussion of philosophy on a board with flags.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:14:41 2015 No.7306937 >>7306933 Just keep it to here. If mods delete these threads, then use the veil of a book on the topic to hide discussion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:14:59 2015 No.7306938 >>7306933 I don't think I've ever seen a decent discussion of philosophy outside of /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:15:19 2015 No.7306939 What in the actual fuck, if /his/ is history + humanities what are actually allowed to discuss on /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:17:00 2015 No.7306948 >>7306939 genre fiction and meme authors ofc

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:17:09 2015 No.7306949

>>7306938
The rest of 4chan has this idea that /lit/ is elitist and pretentious, and this keeps the majority of cross-board trolls away.

>>7306939
Just post a non-fiction history book as a the picture for your thread and talk about history. I doubt anyone's going to stop you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:21:11 2015 No.7306955 >>7306938 I've seen one on /jp/ 3 years ago, some dude with a PhD showed up

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:31:06 2015 No.7306979 File: 72 KB, 886x247, kill.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /lit/ is dead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:31:46 2015 No.7306982 >>7306979 Just use a book to discuss the topic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:32:06 2015 No.7306983 >>7306939 Fiction you dumb faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:33:00 2015 No.7306984 >>7306982 With who? The (already slow) board is now split in two.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:33:42 2015 No.7306985 >/lit/ is now a genre fiction board have fun discussing Game of Thrones :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:33:43 2015 No.7306986 >>7306979 I don't get why it's "history and humanities" instead of just "humanities"

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:33:47 2015 No.7306988 >>7306938 >>7306955 I've actually seen some entertaining philosophy threads on /mlp/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:36:34 2015 No.7306994 >>7306979 >anything that happened in the last 25 years isn't History Fucking hell, can we get people who get history as mods

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:38:08 2015 No.7306997 >>7306979 the mods should honestly be executed this is all moots fault you know, he instituted all these worthless losers

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:38:44 2015 No.7306998 >>7306979 Honestly, I'm just going to ignore everything that just happened and continue on as usual. Hasn't /lit/ always operated like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:40:10 2015 No.7307005 Philosophy fags get off of this board

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:41:19 2015 No.7307009 >>7306984 I and many others are not going to head over to /his/. And people usually don't just use one board. >>7306988 What were they about? I'm a Twifag.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:42:20 2015 No.7307013 Im not gonna let that gook kill this board I hereby pledge to make several thinly veiled philosophy threads everyday

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:42:41 2015 No.7307015 >>7306994 It's true tho.. everything that's happened since the Gulf War, the fall of the Soviet Union, the demolition of the Berlin Wall, etc, doesn't count as history yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:52:43 2015 No.7307039 Are we allowed to talk about Hiroshima?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:53:34 2015 No.7307042 I'm all for a history board, but philosophy shares more of a connection with literature than history. This is poorly made decision.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:53:42 2015 No.7307043 >>7306939 BOOKS.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:55:45 2015 No.7307047 >>7307005 Finally!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:55:54 2015 No.7307048 >>7307043 books about what? anything not relating to humanities is a shit book tbqh

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:57:08 2015 No.7307055 >>7306939 Literature you faggot. Not this philosophy faggot shit, we're going to discuss real and good books.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:58:30 2015 No.7307059 >>7307013 Philosophy is killing this board, friendo. It used to be much slower & much higher quality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:59:09 2015 No.7307061 >>7307055 but good literature is all about philosophy, you uneducated swine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:59:31 2015 No.7307063 >>7307055 Your prose is poor. You are in no position to speak for /lit/, plebeian. Go back to r/books and never come back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:59:42 2015 No.7307064 >>7307059 fuck you The Kant thread is basically the only good one right now

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 18:59:51 2015 No.7307065 >>7307048 Discuss the actual books, not the philosophical ideas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:00:52 2015 No.7307066 >>7307061 kek, stop with this meme anon. You and me both know that's just not true. >>7307063 >implying /r/books isn't infinitely better than /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:00:54 2015 No.7307067 >>7307065 Kinda stupid shit is that. >so uhh, what did you guys think of Kant's prose style?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:01:06 2015 No.7307068 >>7307065 Or the ideas within the context of the book. It's really not that hard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:01:45 2015 No.7307069 >>7307065 >discuss books and not the ideas in them great idea my copy of nietzsches texts is pretty bad, the cover is damaged and it is floppy because it is a paperback 3/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:02:19 2015 No.7307072 File: 111 KB, 314x314, 1440017403163.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7307065 >Discuss the actual books you mean plot? are you fucking kidding me right fucking now? books are not just supposed to be a movie in word form.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:02:28 2015 No.7307073 >>7307067 Kant is pure /his/ material tho so I am not sure where you are getting confused.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:03:29 2015 No.7307075 >>7307069 But neetch belongs on /his/ unless it's his shit poetry then that is /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:04:48 2015 No.7307079 Why do they want to kill /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:05:12 2015 No.7307080 >>7307073 >>7307075 Fuck off cancer. They belong on /lit/ amd always have.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:06:17 2015 No.7307083 >>7307080 Not anymore. So what are you confused about? That you can't spam your spook memes and pretend to be well read?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:06:34 2015 No.7307084 >>7307063 Thou darest question my patrician status, churl? The blood in my veins is bluer than 9/10s of /lit/, I wot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:06:36 2015 No.7307085 >>7307080 Yes, up until now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:06:37 2015 No.7307086 >>7307075 >But neetch belongs on /his/ Nietzsche wrote over a dozen works of literature. What hotpocket-eaters say matters for fuck all.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:07:14 2015 No.7307091

So, we're all just going to keep discussing the Greeks here with people who actually read them. Good.

Faggots who report shit from someone who's read a religious/philosophical book, or one in a dead language here are idiots if they think /his/ should be a containment board. It just means they didn't understand any of western or eastern literature to try to keep religion or philosophy out of /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:07:41 2015 No.7307092 >>7307079 /lit/ is a small board that keeps to itself and stays off the radar. Talk about whatever you talked about before /his/ was made. Whoever moderates this board gives us a good amount of leeway. We even have painting generals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:07:49 2015 No.7307094 >>7307083 This.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:08:28 2015 No.7307097 >>7307086 If it isn't his philosophical material then by all means. I thought I already made an exception for this. Sure it was jokingly obfuscated but obvious enough to the casual reader.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:10:13 2015 No.7307101 >>7307097 His philosophical material IS literature. Are you genuinely retarded?

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:10:32 2015 No.7307104

>>7307092
There's no mod, there's a janny. The problem is that most old litizens don't report threads even OT, they just go to a /lit/ thread. The people who do report threads for being religious or philosophical are people who have never read a book in their life, and wouldn't understand Greek if it was the only thing stopping them from being sodomized. It's not the mods giving us leeway, it's that we don't report shit which keeps us off radar. We've had more report fags of late, which means less people who read books without burning them for making their dick tingle.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:11:45 2015 No.7307108

>>7307083
Stop licking asses. Philosophy is heavily literature-based. I don't know if you realise, but many works of philosophy are works or literature. Plato's Dialogues are literature; Montaigne's Essays are literature; Neitzche's Prose is literature--if discussion moves onto the ideas then so be it. If that winds you up so bad then I suggest turning of the computer and going into your safe-space, fucking autist.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:12:00 2015 No.7307109

>>7307101

Then his philosophical material goes on /his/ I am not sure what you are not getting here. Unless you are using the broadest definition of literature then I suppose video game manuals belong here too. If you can't get the implied definition this board isn't for you anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:12:19 2015 No.7307110 File: 104 KB, 719x572, noice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >& Humanities

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:13:28 2015 No.7307111 There are so many "what if" threads on /his/. There should be a rule against them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:13:47 2015 No.7307112 >>7307109 It belongs on both boards, because even in a unbroad definition, it's literature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:13:50 2015 No.7307113 >>7307108 All philosophy and belong on /his/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:14:47 2015 No.7307116 Basically no more: Christians vs atheists "What is a spook, really?" Ebola discussion thread Let's talk about God thread Who's your favorite philosopher and why thread Etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:14:57 2015 No.7307118 >>7307109 m8, Nietzsche was a philologist. He belongs here just as much as Tolkien and Burgess. You're literally retarded and have read none of his work. Read a book, one with simpler prose than Nietszche's godtier writing.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:14:57 2015 No.7307119

>>7307065
How do you even talk about a book without discussing it's ideas?
If not for philosophical ideas, literature will be decreased to crap like "le ebin plot twist" and "muh power fantasy" or "i liek so relate to le character xddd so likable :D".

Have you even seen the "last book you read thread/how do you like it" threads?
It's basically, "yeah, it was nice/no, it sucked." That's it. The discussion is reduced to mere subjective opinions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:14:59 2015 No.7307120 >>7307113 just get the fuck off this board please

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:15:32 2015 No.7307122 >>7307109 >Then his philosophical material goes on /his/ I am not sure what you are not getting here. Except it's literature. It says it on top of the board, /lit/ - Literature.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:16:18 2015 No.7307123

>>7307113
Stop acting like a mod, it's their decision. There is no rule against discussing philosophical works on /lit/, and the majority of /lit/ is happy with the status-quo. If you don't like philosophy threads then don't post in one--seriously go change your diapers chris.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:16:34 2015 No.7307125 >>7307116 Nice, more room for threads about john green, harold bloom and subvocalizers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:17:35 2015 No.7307127 >>7307125 Don't make this an us-them thing.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:18:40 2015 No.7307128
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/his/ is bound to be shit, too many polfags and intfags, I reckon at least 80% of the threads will be about 20th century.
And splitting humanities from literature is just plain stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:18:52 2015 No.7307130 >>7307118 Already addressed. Why do the philosophers here have a hard time reading?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:19:02 2015 No.7307131 >>7307127 Just saying that shitposting is pretty evenly divided between novels and the rest, so you're not going to get less shitposting by isolating novels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:19:44 2015 No.7307133 >>7307119 I was here before the huge philosophy influx. It was comfy. It's one thing to discuss a book or author, and it's ideas. It's another to philosophize in thread after thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:20:23 2015 No.7307134 >>7307130 Philosophy is literature

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:20:57 2015 No.7307136 >>7307130 Are you actually autistic? Do you think you're some form of authority on /lit/? Nobody cares for what the obstacles to utopia say; begone back to reddit boyo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:22:36 2015 No.7307139 >>7307134 See >>7307130 >>7307136 Do you speak for /lit/ on this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:22:46 2015 No.7307140 >>7307133 Posts that are just some made-up bullshit belong in /r/showerthoughts, but we have threads where people have actually read Heidegger's Being and Time and discuss what he wrote. Sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:23:47 2015 No.7307147 >>7307139 The definition of the word literature speaks for /lit/ on this

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:24:29 2015 No.7307148 >>7307131 It's not about the shitposting for me, it's more about having a thread about, say, Tolstoy, up for like a week with thoughtful discussion over time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:24:53 2015 No.7307149 >>7307139 No I speak for myself. As should all posters who are not mods or admins.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:24:54 2015 No.7307150

>>7307130
Are you saying we're only not allowed discuss Ecce Homo here and TSZ is legit, or does it matter that his characters in that are philosophers from history?

If that's the case, guess where I'm taking every single one of my explanations of Flann O'Brien's mythological and philosophical and scientific pieces, because it won't be /lit/ :^)

Oh, and all of the puns in Aristophanes? Those are going on /x/ where they belong.

All of the key to reading Huxley's roman a clef Point Counter Point? That has a character designed after Mosley, guess we can't talk about it here. No more of those posts.

Oh, and Rimbaud's war poems? LOL no, I'll take those to /his/ and /k/ now. Same with every war poet, and any poem to a philosopher or historical figure.

Fuck yourself you wholly illiterate little manchild who can't deal with other people having read books that make you feel inadequate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:24:55 2015 No.7307151 >>7307123 Well if it is the mods or admins decision then it looks like it's already been made boyo. >>7307147 I suppose you are OK with fanfic then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:26:14 2015 No.7307153 >>7307151 It doesn't matter what I'm ok with. No one on this board wants to talk about fanfic, and if I saw a fanfic thread, I would hide it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:26:43 2015 No.7307154 >>7307150 Kek if you were such a good poster where were those explanations before?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:27:12 2015 No.7307156 >>7307140 And that would belong in /lit/, as long as it was related to an a vital book, and not just "who /stoic/ here?"

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:27:44 2015 No.7307158 >>7307153 Well it doesn't matter what the people on /lit/ want when >>7307147

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:28:42 2015 No.7307159 >>7307154 archived. I even translated the fake bird names of imaginary species from Irish in Finn's speeches in At Swim once because I was bored. :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:29:14 2015 No.7307161 kind of apathetic because I like discussing novels more, but still disappointed they didn't listen to us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:29:59 2015 No.7307163 >>7307158 It matters what the definition of the word literature is. Anything that falls into that definition can be discussed here as long as there are people willing to discuss it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:31:00 2015 No.7307164 >>7307156 An *actual book

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:31:01 2015 No.7307165 File: 1.86 MB, 500x500, 1412514636944.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw all the philosophy posts on /his/ so far have been edgy nihilism, stoicism and /fit/-tier "muh muscles" philosphy welp looks like philosophy is staying on /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:33:26 2015 No.7307170 >>7307150 Already addressed by this smart anon >>7307068 Why do the philosophers of /lit/ have such a hard time reading/reasoning especially one so well read/reasoned as you?

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:35:00 2015 No.7307172

>>7307156
All threads like "who /x/ here" are garbage, try use a less biased example. Having an actual point you want to make or an actual question you want to discuss in your thread about stoicism should be okay even if you're not speaking about any specific book, because you're going to engage with the ideas in all the stoic works anyway probably.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:35:53 2015 No.7307176 >>7307165 Haha. Everyone is jacking off to Aurelius and Epictetus.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:38:18 2015 No.7307179

>>7307170
/his/ clearly says it's for history, philosophy, ancient languages, and humanities. That definitely is making the assumption that's where people who read those types of books should post. What makes literature good at those things is because /lit/ will school your ass in Greek if you try to fake it, while /his/ is just going to be people who read as poorly as you do. It's pointless to add those things to /his/ unless Hiroyuki thought we'd actually move there to talk about these things with people who don't value a classical literary education. We should find a way to move people like you who don't to a containment board, not try to move our medievalist and classical scholars off board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:39:12 2015 No.7307182 >>7307172 Nope. That belongs in /his/ (Bless you, Hiro)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:40:37 2015 No.7307187 >>7307170 That was an awful idea, it would tie the hands of intellectual discourse and prevent insightful discussion. Please, think before posting such drivel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:42:10 2015 No.7307190 File: 2.80 MB, 500x281, 1419913314643.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I can finally leave /lit/ See you nihilists and marxists!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:42:20 2015 No.7307193 what constitutes 'humanities'? philosophy should stay on /lit/.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:43:36 2015 No.7307199

>>7307179

So how do you explain away your lack of reasoning? If it is as you say then /his/ is where all /lit/ goes. I mean how else are we to talk about Faulkner considering it takes place more than 25 years ago? It's pretty much history at this point. I mean after all Rimbaud belongs on /his/ now.

>>7307187

How would keeping the primary discussion on topic ruin it for anyone but spook memers?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:43:46 2015 No.7307200 >>7307193 ancient languages should stay on /lit/ too. start with the greeks isn't just necessary for philosophy, it's the foundation of western drama and satire.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:43:56 2015 No.7307201 >>7307190 Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:44:02 2015 No.7307202 >>7307182 No ruling has been made on what you are allowed to discuss on /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:44:30 2015 No.7307203 reading through this, /his/ is basically history channel tier. Im surprised they dont have ice road truckers threads. Its all ufos, atlantis, and nazis

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:44:43 2015 No.7307204 >>7307187 And if you wanted to talk about the philosophy in the book as the philosophy itself there is always /his/ for you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:45:10 2015 No.7307205 >>7307199 Rimbaud is an incredibly political writer. You haven't read his shit. Stop trying to tell us what subjects are /lit/ worthy when you obviously missed the point of writers people have to study in highschool.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:45:17 2015 No.7307206 >/lit/ is a John Green and GRRM board now Have fun trying to talk about your favorite edgy Nietzsche quote when the mods aren't looking :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:45:41 2015 No.7307208 >>7307203 Hopefully it will never get through the trial stage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:46:06 2015 No.7307210 >>7307204 >the philosophy itself reported for making a philosophical statement

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:46:35 2015 No.7307212

>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature

This is no longer the philosophy board? well Im out of here. So long guys, its been fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:46:49 2015 No.7307213 mindblown, too bad it's going to be filled with world war two faggots and ancient aliens shit probably

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:47:01 2015 No.7307214 >>7307212 See you in a week

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:47:49 2015 No.7307216 >Hiroshima makes a containment board for philosophy memers and /pol/-lite posters TYBH

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:47:56 2015 No.7307217 >>7307212 the philosophy and religion threads were always tedious as shit, piece out faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:47:56 2015 No.7307218 >>7307212 Bye retard

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:48:11 2015 No.7307220

>>7307202
Off board discussion has always been against the rules.

>>7307205

And of course it is possible to discuss that within the context of Rimbaud? Unless of course you feel the need to give the entire history of France at the time to discuss him.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:49:12 2015 No.7307225

>>7307208
>Does the Waffen SS get an unnecessarily bad rap for what they've done? Every now and then I see armchair historians like myself who say "muh wehrmacht was perfect and teh waffen ss did erry thing wrong." I mean most were just idealistic young men from all over Europe
>Dan Carlin Thread Post your favorite, pic related
>Did Jesus really exist?
>Anyone else into alternate history?
>post your POTUSfu
>Can we all agree that what the Nazis did pussified Europe beyond recognition?
>>LOL DUDE the byzantines were, like, TOTALLY roman! they even called themselves romans so it must make it so! >what? the holy roman empire? HAHA no fuck that they weren't le holy weren't le roman and weren't le empire! like, comon dude, they didn't even speak latin!

Dont mind me, just posting some /his/ threads

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:49:17 2015 No.7307226 >>7307205 Wait or were you trying to tell me he belongs on /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:49:57 2015 No.7307227 >>7307220 Man, he ran away to look at the war in Europe to write the poems he ran away to Paris on. Some fucking idiot like you should not be here. Leave for somewhere you don't need to be informed or well read. Like >>>/his/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:51:36 2015 No.7307233 >>7307220 >Off board discussion has always been against the rules. It's not off-board discussion until they limit what you can discuss on this board. You are allowed to discuss which country makes the best games on both /int/ and /v/ for example.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:52:19 2015 No.7307234 >>7307212 This still is. Just use a book to disguise your thread unless you want to talk about stoicism with people who haven't read any philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:52:54 2015 No.7307235 >>7307227 But that is about Rimbaud and his poetry. Unless of course you want to discuss the history surrounding him separately which belongs on /his/

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:53:02 2015 No.7307237

>>7307225
>What is the greatest BTFO in all of history? My vote is for Kublai khan getting utterly wrecked by Japan's weather >tries to invade Japan, basically demolish the samurai >nothinpersonal.nip >his entire fucking fleet gets destroyed by a typhoon >5 years later, tries to take over japan yet again >his entire fucking fleet gets destroyed by another typhoon >prepares invasion plans yet again >dies before he can

It almost makes me want to weep.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:55:20 2015 No.7307242 >>7307235 So if you want to talk about an author, you have to post on /his/? That would be ridiculous and unnecessary.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:56:20 2015 No.7307245 >>7307225 >Reaction image thread >what's wrong with /his/ being like /pol/? >Ur fav roman emperor thread >ghenghis khan > everyone else >BTFO threads I'd rather have fucking history threads on /lit/ than to sift through this.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:58:03 2015 No.7307247

>>7307235
His poetry cannot be untwined from history. Jesus Christ you're dumb and missed so much of symbolism and allusion in every book you ever read I'm surprised you're even able to type. There's no way to adequately discuss any of the "humanites" subjects or even history without discussing literature; Larry Niven wrote Reagan's speeches; Mussolini got d'Annunzio and Marinetti to do most of his ghostwriting; Twain, Swift and every satirist relies on these subjects being taken together with literature.

Philosophy and religious texts are genres of literature, and you'd do well to get over that fact before you get lost in a library and raped by your peers.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 19:59:26 2015 No.7307249

i was browsing me some /his/, first of all that's fucking sexist bullshit, why not /her/?, second of all it looks like all the wackest posters of /lit/ have gone over there, like all the gayest shit that makes /lit/ shitty are being posted over there instead, so i'm fucking hella stoked brah

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:01:21 2015 No.7307256

>>7307242
How did you even get that. If you want to talk about how life in the late 1800s Europe had an impact on Rimbaud and his literary output sure that is within the context of literature. If you want to talk about late 1800s Europe in general go to /his/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:02:53 2015 No.7307257 I bet the plebs who made genre-fiction threads on /lit/ support /his/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:04:10 2015 No.7307261 >>7307256 >If you want to talk about late 1800s Europe in general go to /his/. Not talking about it at all would be a preferable option.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:04:18 2015 No.7307262 >>7307257 I bet the people who support fanfic being on /lit/ are the same ones who want /his/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:05:03 2015 No.7307265 >thinking philosophy will ever not be on /lit/ Top sides mate

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:05:20 2015 No.7307268 >>7307261 Some one can't read the Russians XD

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:08:52 2015 No.7307278 >>7307245 >someone made an art thread dumping various neoclassical paintings >people reply with "WE WUZ KINGS AND SHIET" and "anime is better" kill me

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:10:54 2015 No.7307283 >>7306898 What did you want it to be? Erudite theories about the nuances of history?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:11:40 2015 No.7307285 >>7307283 Yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:11:55 2015 No.7307286 >>7306949 >The rest of 4chan has this idea that /lit/ is elitist and pretentious, and this keeps the majority of cross-board trolls away. Shouldn't it encourage them to be angry and want to destroy our paradise?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:12:43 2015 No.7307287 >>7306939 I hope this isn't the beginning of the end of /lit/ >no more Nietzsche threads >no more Stirner >no more Hegel, Schopenhaur, Foucault, Deleuze >no more Greeks >no more art

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:13:52 2015 No.7307289 >>7307283 our /his/ threads are the best cited threads on this site

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:13:55 2015 No.7307290 There is a samurai vs knight thread up on /his/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:14:00 2015 No.7307291 >>7307287 we're not going anywhere, anon. it's only people who can't read who think it's a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:14:25 2015 No.7307295 >>7307286 No because >wah it's no fun on that board :(

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:15:26 2015 No.7307297 >>7307286 Well they would have to read books to even effectively troll us in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:15:27 2015 No.7307298 >>7307289 Can you link them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:15:58 2015 No.7307300 >>7307286 /lit/ isn't actually popular though so it it's not a target for the perpetual 4chan contrarian butthurt crusade

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:18:11 2015 No.7307305 >>7307300 Except for the poisonous marxist faggots that do nothing but make bad arguments and draw /pol/ attention ;^)

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:18:51 2015 No.7307306

/lit/ is so incredibly childish

>waaa they are taking OUR threads!!

/lit/ was never intended for the discussion of philosophy, it just ended up here because there was no other place and "I guess there's books about this so here we go!"
Philosophy "discussion" on /lit/ is nothing but meme spouting anyways
>god is le dead! *tips fedora*.jpg
>start wit the greeks ;P

Nobody is stopping you from discussing the philosophical themes in Infinite Jest or Game of Thrones.

/his/ will allow users to discuss philosophy in it's proper historical context, it's where it belongs.

>but pol!!
If you are worried about the boards quality then go and help improve it by creating quality content.

Also /his/ is practically five minutes old and lacks moderators

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:20:44 2015 No.7307314

Now we have a board, can we improve the resources document, add resources to any historical topics such as books, videos or podcasts. Hopefully we can catalogue a lot of resources so it could be stickied.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rq0gUUpoI1Xi_NKpt7iuUdU2xdQzbwSu-g2BzpG_JBc

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:21:02 2015 No.7307315 >>7307306 please stop shitposting

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:21:10 2015 No.7307317

>>7307306
>/lit/ was never intended for the discussion of philosophy,
How are we supposed to discuss Paradise Lost without bringing up Milton's history of rebellion?
How are we supposed to discuss Frankenstein without bringing up the philosophy of the Romantics?
How are we to discuss WIlde without discussing Aestheticism?
Fuck off, illiterate pleb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:23:11 2015 No.7307326 >>7307317 >How are we supposed to discuss Frankenstein without bringing up the philosophy of the Romantics? "Ok, let's talk about Frankenstein. Did you rike it?" "Yeah it was gud" "Nah it didn't appeal to me" "It was pretty fun"

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:23:16 2015 No.7307327 >>7307306 >/lit/ was never intended for the discussion of philosophy that's going to surprise most of the authors in history.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:24:31 2015 No.7307335 >>7307327 That a board on 4chan wasn't meant for them?

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:26:37 2015 No.7307342

>>7307287
those guys are all literary critics accept that faggot stirner...i have the anthology yale uses for its intro to lit theory class...the greeks, hegel, schopenhaur, marx, nietzche, foucault, derrida, all those fags are in there, accept that nerd stirner because he is a clown ass nigga also that faggot ebola aint in there cuz hes a fucking nerd, and i cant remember if that austrian homosexual is in it, but probably for like one essay if at all...so we keep all the cool philosophy and kick out the fucking nerds like kant, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:26:42 2015 No.7307343 >>7307326 What a fucking uninspired conversation. >>7307335 I think he means literature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:26:50 2015 No.7307344 >>7307335 the board was meant to take literature including philosophy off /r9k/ newb

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:28:40 2015 No.7307349 >>7307342 Gross and Kafka both adapted Stirner's philosophy into literary theories.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:28:43 2015 No.7307350

Look, guys. The difference between /lit/ and /his/ is not what its intended for, but who its audiences are.

/lit/'s audience is readers. Not all people read. A very specific subset of people do. This means /lit/s userbase will always be somewhat small compared to other boards.

/his/'s audience, I predict, is people interested in history. That in practice means everyone, because everyone has at least a basic understanding and background in history. However, not all people are well-versed in history, and because it's difficult to bullshit about it, expect it to be a bit better than /pol/ or /int/.

DO expect nonstop Holocaust, WWII, and American Civil War threads in /his/. DON'T expect no-fun-allowed Nazis and Stormfag-only /pol/ shitposting.

Hopefully the userbase of /his/ stays small enough that general threads aren't necessary. These are the real cancer and should be avoided at all costs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:31:26 2015 No.7307356 >>7307350 >However, not all people are well-versed in history, and because it's difficult to bullshit about it It's literally going to be filled with Wikipedia-scholars, just like /pol/ and /int/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:31:36 2015 No.7307359 >>7307350 exactly, /his/ is for homos who watch the history channel and watch dumb historical themed movies in shit, which is to say a bunch of fucking nerds obsessed with world war 2

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:32:35 2015 No.7307362 >>7307094 Hmm, how interesting. An anymous person thinking something is interesting. I must see what this anonymous person think is interesting. This /lit/izen has added so much to the intercourse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:33:34 2015 No.7307365 >>7307362 stirner is stupid and ur a fagit

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:34:41 2015 No.7307367 >>7307356 >>7307359 >>7307350 Im participating in the book request thread, and giving some recommendations that are relatively difficult for non readers. I wonder if these people know what non-pop history is like.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:35:24 2015 No.7307369 >>7307350 >/lit/'s audience is readers. Not all people read. A very specific subset of people do. You do realize history requires READING? So far /his/ has just been shitty pop-history.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:35:46 2015 No.7307370

>>7307356
That's the same with every board, though (to varying degrees. /lit/ is higher on the scale than /v/ obviously). Wikipedia, remember, is far superior to Conservapedia and Stormfront, which where /pol/ currently gets its facts. I'd rather have
>lol Aussies couldn't kill emus
than
>DINDUNUFFIN HE A GOOD BOY RACE WAR NOW

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:36:25 2015 No.7307373

>>7306998
yes, so will I

every relatively "obscure" board has always operated like this. /lit/ is not a fast board and /his/ is bound to be nothing more than an extension of /pol/, so I expect most users of /lit/ will stay here to discuss general arts/philosophy subjects

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:36:33 2015 No.7307374

>>7307350
Just a few minutes ago I googled about a random historical topic and the first page was already making claims with no sorts of proof whatsoever. There's no other way to *actually* learn history other than reading books written by established historians. And that takes effort for the commoner because it's not filled with obsessive presentism and isn't worried, in most cases, to give extensive details while providing proof and properly citing sources.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:36:37 2015 No.7307375 >>7307367 Most of the requests there have some indication they read (i.e. they're aware of historical nations and the period of focus). I think it's reasonable to suspect they'll read them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:37:02 2015 No.7307377 >>7307367 Where's the book request thread? Can you link it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:37:57 2015 No.7307379 >>7307377 >>>/his/2925

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:38:21 2015 No.7307380 >>7307374 Don't worry, they've listened to Dan Carlin. :^)

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:39:36 2015 No.7307382

What pisses me off is that we here at /lit/ would love a film board so we could discuss cinema without having /tv/plebs shitting it up, but instead we got the worst thing ever.
>>7307370
/lit/ has actual PhDs discussing their field of study, you don't see that on other boards (not even /sci/ now)

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:40:10 2015 No.7307383

>the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork

This is what /lit/ should be concerned about. Literally half the threads on /lit/ are this stuff, so now what? Where do we discuss say, Plato?

IF YOU THINK PLATO IS GOING TO FIT IN ON /hist/ I'LL PUNCH YOUR LIGHTS OUT

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:40:43 2015 No.7307385 >>7307382 Sometimes you see a cinema thread every once in a while on /lit/. Pretty good stuff. I liked it when /lit/ used to be the lowkey humanities board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:41:29 2015 No.7307388 This thread helped me unserstand why nobody likes /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:42:17 2015 No.7307389 >>7307367 Don't even try to raise board quality, the worse /his/ is the more likely that it won't make it through trial, and we all know it would never end up being a good board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:42:26 2015 No.7307390 >>7307388 Fuck off, pleb, we're better than you, /v/ermin piece of shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:42:31 2015 No.7307391 >>7307388 I'm on my phone and can't spell, but you are all being massive cunts

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:42:44 2015 No.7307392 >>7307388 We don't want to be liked, which is a pretty egocentric desire anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:43:21 2015 No.7307394 >>7307388 >wanting to be liked Nice spook.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:43:44 2015 No.7307397 >>7307388 it's listening us or reading, jimmy. and you know how much you hate reading, we'd be doing you a disservice to not be worse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:48:17 2015 No.7307404 >>7307388 If this board was likeable i would not come here

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:52:58 2015 No.7307413
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>>7306748
>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc.
>Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature.
>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc.
>Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature.
>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc.
>Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature.
WHATHE FUCK WHATHE FUCK WHATHE FUCK

Just what kind of fucking idiot mod convinced hiroshekel this made any sense?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:55:16 2015 No.7307418 >>7307413 it's the idiots who didn't want their favourite author to have a philosophical point and think start with the greeks is a meme not a more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:55:51 2015 No.7307420 We need to let Hiro know that this is unacceptable. https://www.change.org/p/hiroyuki-nishimura-delete-his

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:56:18 2015 No.7307423 >>7307413 >Let's talk about plato >Yeah he was a great philosopher >I like what he said in the republic >FUCK OFF TO >>>/lit/ FAGGOT

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 20:57:38 2015 No.7307426 >>7307413 Not everyone understands that philosophy is deeply tied to the production of literature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:00:41 2015 No.7307430 >>>/his/8441 Philosophy sure does belong on /his/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:02:16 2015 No.7307433 >>7307430 Fuck. /r9k/ finds out about the relationship between Hegel and Schopenhauer and then they read Schopenhauer's views on women and now this shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:03:35 2015 No.7307434 >>7307430 b-but wouldn't hegel want napoleon to be k-king of history? or at least God. w-why are they hurting hegel worse than marx did?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:06:59 2015 No.7307439 >>7307434 If I remember correctly Hegel ended up being disappointed with Napoleon (in a similar way as did Beethoven). He would never proclaim an individual king of anything i guess.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:10:35 2015 No.7307442

>>7307439
I'm talking about when he was crying in the streets for him, before he moved on to these are all ways to the completion of God. He totally did think individualized rulers and rulership of geographic areas were a good idea though, and they needed to change based on size and culture.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:12:24 2015 No.7307444

Anybody who has been on /lit/ since day 1 knows that /lit/ is /phil/. In /lit/'s first year, everyday I would come on this board and there would be a philosophy thread with tons of posts and it would reach autosage. I dare say the MAJORITY of discussion on /lit/ was philosophy. I haven't frequented /lit/ much in the past couple years, but I remember posters like Historian., ruby vajeen, and Isabelle Huppert, and they provided some of the best discussion that you could have on this website. And the philosophy (and to some extent political) discussion generally was good.

We're talking about a board with a small userbase and 150 threads' worth of space. Philosphy - and occasional discussion of other humanities - never distracted from discussion of genre fiction.

Like I said, I haven't really been here for a while, so I'm assuming /pol/ has infested the board some and changed the culture some? The /lit/ I remember accommodated discussions of Marx and Hayek and Keynes, while not descending into a flamewar.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:12:41 2015 No.7307445 Delete that board, it's fucking unnecessary. You have /pol/ and /lit/ to do that shit. At least you could change the name of this board to Literature and History. Jesus Christ, moot is kill.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:14:09 2015 No.7307448 >>7307442 Yes I agree, for him an individual is not merely a singular (as we usually see it) but a particular manifestation (and a disintegration at the same time) of the universal of the community.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:14:12 2015 No.7307449 They are fucking killing /lit/. THANKS MOOT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:14:28 2015 No.7307450 fiction readers score decisive victory more at 11

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:14:52 2015 No.7307452 >>7307444 >/pol/ invaded no sorry, anon-sama, we let it get much worse than that. we were invaded by /mu/ and /fa/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:15:29 2015 No.7307453 >>7307413 Yeah it doesn't make any sense at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:16:42 2015 No.7307457 >>7307450 philosophy declares truth to be a fiction, everything returns to normal

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:17:13 2015 No.7307460 >>7307444 This, the best case scenario would be that Hiro accepts this and let's us discuss anything we want, we're not a board, we're a community, separate from the rest of this site.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:18:11 2015 No.7307465 >>7307444 philosophy is retarded sophistry, get it the fuck out of here, good riddance assholes

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:18:38 2015 No.7307467 >>7307457 fiction decries declaration mr bones greases the gears and the ride never ends

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:20:46 2015 No.7307470

>>7307460
>anything we want
No, the best case is that we have people dedicated to the hobby this hobby board is about. What makes>>> /trv/ and >>>/po/ as boards good is that the community is interested in autisticly discussing only the hobby the board deals with, not because they are a community willing to discuss anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:22:59 2015 No.7307474 STOP POSTING IMMEDIATELY: history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages,

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:23:50 2015 No.7307476 >>7307474 >mfw I realise hiro is tao lin >mfw no face too much shame

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:31:22 2015 No.7307493 File: 50 KB, 835x664, Screenshot 2015-11-01 at 1.13.44 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7306748 >tfw you choose the name for /his/ Almost as good as the time I got quints

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:38:26 2015 No.7307518

>>7307286
No one really thinks to go here, unless their depressed frogfags. For some reason, I've heard a few people just ask us for miscellaneous advice because we're viewed as one of the smarter boards. Probably why people assume we're a harder target to troll.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:41:55 2015 No.7307523 >>7307493 >proud of something on an anonymous inuk trading post

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:42:06 2015 No.7307525

>>7307350
Imagine this already

>Can we UH have a thread about why UH MONKEYS or NIGGERS AS I LIKE TO CALL 'EM are historically our slaves?
>OH, I'M SORRY DIDN'T MEAN TO OFFEND YOU LIBFAGS WITH MY FREE-SPEECH

Screencap this if you want, I guarantee it will be a thread within fifty thousand posts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:43:37 2015 No.7307527 The philosophy majors are getting one last bout of hairsplitting and categorizing in before they're deported. In reality, you'll use your judgment about what goes here and what goes there, and everything will work out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:43:39 2015 No.7307528 >>7307388 >implying /lit/ isn't just your arrogant elitist older brother

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:46:27 2015 No.7307536 >>7307523 >not enjoying delusional pride

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:46:47 2015 No.7307537 >the book request thread is already almost bumped off by >gorillions threads well im not gonna bother, history non-fic should stay here.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:51:07 2015 No.7307554

>>7307537
Any history board is going to attract /pol/.
>Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates.
Like that rule is going to accomplish anything. moot told /pol/ not to turn into stormfront of he'll axe it, and it turned into stormfront anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:53:54 2015 No.7307563 >>7307554 That's a big thing. Do the mods/jannies care? If so, discussion on /his/ will improve. If not, /his/ becomes /pol/ + /int/ . I still don't think humanities fit in there, hopefully Hiro changes that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:05:20 2015 No.7307592 >>7307537 It definitely should stay here. The book request thread was good though. >>7307563 The janitors have been active so far. I doubt their zeal will last though before the shitposters'.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:23:48 2015 No.7307622 >>7307563 /pol/ is already trying to design a board-tan as a loli.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:29:20 2015 No.7307640 File: 209 KB, 675x927, 1437958327142.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >/his/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:34:28 2015 No.7307655 >>7307622 Fucking hell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:36:37 2015 No.7307659 >>7306748 when the fuck did this happen

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:37:38 2015 No.7307665 >>7306835 >join the funposting, anon :3 >>>/reddit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:40:39 2015 No.7307671 >>7306842 >/pol/ already took it over. >bad thing

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:53:34 2015 No.7307688

>>7306881
I'm baffled by this too. I complained about the irrelevant discussion along with everyone, but now /lit/ seems to be left in a serious black hole.

The problem is that nobody actually reads books. I mean--people do read books, but it can be hard to find multiple people who have read a specific book worth discussing recently enough to have a good discussion of it. Since all the famous books have been discussed a billion times, the only conversation is fluff about Catcher in the Rye or the Meme Trilogy.

Philosophy/religion/history contributed easily 80% of the actual discussions that still happened here, and if that has moved to /his/, this board is going to be a ghost town. It will probably end up as a constant argument over literary theory (POMO vs New Sincerity vs whatever)

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:53:46 2015 No.7307689

>haven't been to /lit/ in a few years
>/his/ is made
>check here to see reaction
>the entire board is the tumblr of 4chan, the most puerile gaggle of armchair philosophers and attention whore babies I've seen this side of reddit, so far up their own asses with pretense and liberalism I can faintly hear choking noises behind each post as their authors gasp for air from their colons
>all them butt disturbed posts about le evil mean racists gonna ruin muh history

yall niggas retarded, I hope based hiro nukes this high school circlejerk too just to piss you off more

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:55:22 2015 No.7307693 >>7307689 >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:57:21 2015 No.7307699 >>7307693 >>>/reddit/ i can do it too XDDDDD

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:57:27 2015 No.7307700 >>7307693 well meme'd but I don't browse /pol/ because it's marginally more retarded than this wankfest

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:58:12 2015 No.7307703 >>7307689 >hasn't been to /lit/ in a few years lol which one of your pathetic genre fic books did we shit on so much you had to leave for years?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:59:06 2015 No.7307707 >>7307703 nigga u ben told

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:59:32 2015 No.7307709

>>7307688
>Philosophy/religion/history contributed easily 80% of the actual discussions that still happened here, and if that has moved to /his/, this board is going to be a ghost town.

except that it won't actually happen. the same way that /pol/ isn't about politics, /his/ won't be about "the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc."

the "quality" of /lit/ will remain the same, minus faggot crosboarders like this dude>>7307689

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:01:16 2015 No.7307711

>>7307703
I left when I realized the demographic of this board is generation z college kids with zero self awareness rocking horned rims and shitposting about their oh-so-profound understandings of western canon and philosophy, this place is insipid in the same way php forums about the subject tend to be

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:01:22 2015 No.7307712

>>7307317
When has /lit/ ever come together and actually discussed any of the books/authors you mentioned? I think this is the first time I have ever seen 'Romantics' mentioned on here, and Wilde threads are just memes and accusations.

>>7307518
There does seem to be a bizarre crossover with r9k self-pity

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:01:45 2015 No.7307715 >>7307707 never heard of it but it sounds like you deserved it

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:06:07 2015 No.7307718 >>7307711 but how long did it take you to look in the mirror to realize this about yourself? surely you don't expect us to believe you were too busy reading to have not noticed?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:07:02 2015 No.7307719 >>7307712 >When has /lit/ ever come together and actually discussed any of the books/authors you mentioned? Many times

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:08:16 2015 No.7307724

>>7307718
Never, because I went on to become actually skilled and knowledgeable as part of STEM master race while you kiddos are sitting around bumming each other's boipussies over semantics. I don't have any smug reaction images in this computer but just imagine I posted one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:09:04 2015 No.7307727 >>7307709 because this is the only board where people will tolerate egos the size of a small planet

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:09:04 2015 No.7307728 >>7307724 chink

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:09:28 2015 No.7307729 >>7307724 >that spoiler oh. so we did shit on your genre fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:09:31 2015 No.7307730 >>7307724 Nice trolling friend. :D Could you please give me your blog so I can subscribe and become "redpilled" enough to post on le glorious /his/? :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:10:09 2015 No.7307731 File: 302 KB, 828x1403, IMG_3466.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7307724 >tfw stem and humanities in all things i am smug

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:11:00 2015 No.7307732 If you actually think discussion of a poem's historical context will be banned because /his/ exists, you're being excessively literal and alarmist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:12:23 2015 No.7307735 >>7307732 probably some stem queerlord autist

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:13:09 2015 No.7307739 Just look at all these replies >>/his/9787 Proof that the userbase of /his/ is cancer

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:13:21 2015 No.7307740 >>7307732 No, they think people who dislike the genres of philosophy and religious texts will over report threads that are relevant just like they freak out and post about /pol/ and unnecessarily report threads when someone mentions Nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:14:11 2015 No.7307747 >>7307739 >>>/his/9787

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:17:16 2015 No.7307752

>>7307740
>just like they freak out and post about /pol/ and unnecessarily report threads when someone mentions Nietzsche.
good im so fucking tired of hearing about him

all the fucking egotistical freaks stroking themselves to the thought of being the ubermench need to fuck off

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:18:14 2015 No.7307755

>>7307740
There has been tension between readers of philosophy and readers of literary stuff for years. It's threads about Nietzsche, communism, and Sam Harris that the literary folks want to get rid of. It doesn't mean Paradise Lost will be banned from discussion, or that you won't be able to provide a Marxist critique of a novel if you're so inclined. Obviously there's infinite ways to complicate the separation of 'philosophy' and 'history' and 'literature.' But if everybody just uses common sense, things will be fine.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:18:18 2015 No.7307756

>>7306748
Wait does this mean philosophy threads aren't allowed on here anymore?

>>7306938
It's much rarer but does happen
It's arguably even more sweet since its not only uncommon but also tailored to a specific discussion

For example one of my favorite threads on the international board was one that was primarily identity, race, religion, and the nation state of european countries (it all stemmed from a black guy in England asking why he shouldn't be accepted)
Some of the best discussions I've seen ever desu

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:20:31 2015 No.7307763

>>7307752
You don't have to read those threads. I however like talking about Nietzsche with people who pick on those dumb enough to think Nietzsche is just an ego trip and have actually read his work. If you want me to instead dedicate my time to shitting on authors you do like, I've read a lot of polemics I'm sure I can make fit the mould.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:23:29 2015 No.7307771 Hiro literally listened to all the psueds at /pol/ who thought they were enlightened intellectuals educated in philosophy and the humanities and made /his/ for them, the true intellectual will remain on /lit/ to discuss those topics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:29:08 2015 No.7307778 >>7307771 No, if you make a thread about Nietzsche or God's existence, I'm going to report it and tell you go to /his/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:30:44 2015 No.7307785 >>7307778 I'll just hide them as threads about literature, such as Nietzsche's critiques or the theology that influenced Paradise Lost ˙͜>˙

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:31:26 2015 No.7307788

>>7307689
I actually wore blackface and call my best freind "paki-bro". Many people here will call posters niggers and crack jokes.

The thing is, we're not actually sincerely biggots, on account of reading and seeing how petty and limiting intolerance (at a superficial level) is.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:31:28 2015 No.7307789

>>7307755
>It doesn't mean Paradise Lost will be banned from discussion, or that you won't be able to provide a Marxist critique of a novel if you're so inclined. Obviously there's infinite ways to complicate the separation of 'philosophy' and 'history' and 'literature.' But if everybody just uses common sense, things will be fine.
m8, I've been told to go to /pol/ by people who obviously have read one book and that was IJ because they were trolled on all those things, and I think you are missing the hazard that many people who have bothered to dedicate time to actually reading philosophy being told that shit by illiterates makes them fuck off forever if they're not combative. It's letting the people who are bothered by the thought of a genre they dislike existing as literature have free run of the board with their /pol/ boogeyman posting under a different name.

I saw someone saying in a recent thread that a student who had just started reading Nietzsche and thought his treatment of the Jews was a bit harsh ought to go to /pol/. Despite everyone else, who had read Nietzsche and provided actual answers from texts about why that was to OP, explaining to the objector it's not /pol/ bait but what most students of Nietzsche feel at first, the objector kept insisting until someone told him to leave if he hadn't read the material. We should have banned the guy who thought it was a /pol/ post and obviously did not read the book, but instead we're giving into his ilk. Like this dipshit here >>7307778 who wets his pants every time I mention I speak three dead languages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:32:15 2015 No.7307793 >>7307785 I would not report that thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:34:20 2015 No.7307794 >poeple are worried about /pol/ spamming le holocaust never happened >meanwhile there are people on this board who deny the holodomor ever happened in every /marx/ thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:36:56 2015 No.7307796 >>7307794 >/pol/ thinks we're not elitists again >/pol/'s never been rich enough to be a communist to annoy daddy >>>/biz/ bubba

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:37:24 2015 No.7307798 Literally worse than /b/. >>>/his/13732

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:37:48 2015 No.7307801

>>7307763
>You don't have to read those threads
>just ignore 80% of /lit/
fuck off
>I however like talking about Nietzsche with people
you talk about the same things every thread
dont you get tired of him?
its like its all you people read
Nietzsche appeals to egotists thats why so many people like him here
>If you want me to instead dedicate my time to shitting on authors you do like
id be up for it if it brought some fucking variety to this board

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:38:15 2015 No.7307803

>>7307789
I don't doubt there are many people here who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to philosophy. But for years there have been a great many people here who would like philosophy discussion, intelligent or ignorant, to be elsewhere. With some overlap.

>>7307798
That's a /lit/ thread that's now not here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:42:26 2015 No.7307814 Don't they know philosophy is literature?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:43:38 2015 No.7307816 >>7307814 but senpai garbage cant be literature

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:45:17 2015 No.7307818 File: 2.28 MB, 1820x4348, lit-top100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The favorite books of the board that loves to talk about philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:46:12 2015 No.7307821 >>7307798 Give it some time man It's still a baby board It needs to cool off It barely even has a board identity

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:47:35 2015 No.7307823

>>7307803
That "some overlap" is just going to be the same old posters, posting the same old thread, with the veil of literature.

Literally: "Just read The Sickness Unto Death. What a fantastic read! What do you anons think of it and how it ties into the wider philosophy of Soren's books?"

It's not going to really change anything other than semantics, all the posters here like /lit/ and will keep using it because it's smarter than the other boards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:50:01 2015 No.7307828 File: 942 KB, 1545x2692, littop100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7307818 wrong chart

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:50:51 2015 No.7307829

>>7307823
That's fine. It'll work itself out. Nietzsche and Stirner threads will be aggressively reported, and "gray area" threads that seem to promise good discussion that the users here are interested in, won't. There's nothing to worry about. It's pretty easy to identify stealth off-topic threads.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:51:18 2015 No.7307830 /lit/ is the final bastion of culture on the internet, filled with last-stand intellectuals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:51:53 2015 No.7307832 >>7307828 Point stands.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:52:06 2015 No.7307833

>>7307801
>>just ignore 80% of /lit/
>fuck off
>waaaaaah I have to do the same thing as every Bloom fan does with DFW

>>7307801
>you talk about the same things every thread
>dont you get tired of him?
>its like its all you people read
>Nietzsche appeals to egotists thats why so many people like him here
>>If you want me to instead dedicate my time to shitting on authors you do like
>id be up for it if it brought some fucking variety to this board
lol, I'm pretty sure 80% of the board is shit when you're here because you're here at this point. If you honestly think that about Nietzsche or the lack of variety in threads about him, you can't read well. You sound the same mental age as people who think they are the ubermensch after reading half a chapter.

>>7307803
While I agree the idiot American posters who do this shit:
>That's a /lit/ thread that's now not here.
shouldn't be catered to as though they're not idiots, I don't agree there's been a valid push to get rid of philosophical discussion.

A much bigger problem to the development of this board is that people think that being corrected is an opportunity to spazz out ( why so many "negative experiences" of threads you should on principle be hiding, especially since this would preclude you from having debated in any of them? )

And secondly, some other spazzes think that literature can be severed from philosophy without making a philosophical argument. Sending people to >>>/his/ on the basis that some of the details in the work or author's life is philosophical in bent, or reporting threads about philosophical works when that is what most authors sought be known for, is admitting to spazzes who don't even know what death of the author is that Barthes is right. Only they'll probably never read a book by him even if it is mostly pictures. Forcing the people who understand that argument best to go talk to the history channel is going to leave you with retards who like the report button. /lit/ is good because we have to use rhetoric not our dislike buttons. We're cutting so many arms off what most writers of canon considered the necessary education to read their works, all we're going to get is naive deviantart criticism and absolutely unfounded interpretations.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:53:12 2015 No.7307835 >>7307830 god help us all

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:55:39 2015 No.7307840 >>7307830 It is which says a lot

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:56:43 2015 No.7307843 >>7307830 Lord save us from the scientism wave.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:57:07 2015 No.7307844 >>7307830 Fuck. I'd say though that we aren't intellectuals but rather people who value intellectualism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:58:24 2015 No.7307845 >>7307830 What a terrible world we live in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 23:58:31 2015 No.7307847 wow /lit/ is literal garbage now Have fun with your pop fiction and shitty teenage best seller generals

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:00:20 2015 No.7307850 >>7307794 holdomorfags so desperately wanting to be as big or even bigger than the holocaust with a way weaker case is probably why they're reviled in /marx/ threads

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:02:17 2015 No.7307853

>>7307833
Take a look at /lit/'s 100 favorite books. Yes, philosophy and literature overlap and interact and everything, but clearly this is a board who would rather talk about Thomas Pynchon, Fyodor Dostoevsky, and Vladimir Nabokov than Friedrich Nietzsche, Karl Marx, and Sir Thomas Aquinas.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:04:33 2015 No.7307855 >tfw don't have to pretend to read anymore smell ya later

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:11:45 2015 No.7307871 File: 22 KB, 352x352, pepe_p.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7307830 >mfw

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:13:33 2015 No.7307877

>>7307853
>participating in shitty rate threads
That aside, Dostoevsky wanted to be remembered for his contributions to Orthodoxy, and lol, you did not think that Nabokov was silent on politics or philosophy when he asked the US to bomb the commies harder.
You're ignorant of Pynchon's military interest and Marxist critique theory's impact on literary theory in the 20th Century.
You'll never read Aquinas, which is exactly why what you remember from books is going to be irrelevant in a Fahrenheit 451 scenario, because all you will remember to add will be Fahrenheit 451 like every other entry level pleb whose reading level is Playboy.
That you don't like to read them is irrelevant, unless you're trying to follow Schopenhauer's maxim on reading good books and that's why you're so down on Nietzsche; you only liked the first author you name dropped because of /lit/ and Simpsons cartoons forcing you to through memed peer pressure like every other uncritical sheep-like choice you made hoping to not be the lamest in the pack and safe. You have no taste of your own, no argument to defend it if you had, and you're so fuckign normie I could REEE

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:15:25 2015 No.7307881 >made one thread on /his/ >thread deleted >already banned This shit would have not happened if moot were still around.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:17:14 2015 No.7307888 >>7307881 What did you post?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:17:55 2015 No.7307892

>>7307853
>but clearly this is a board who would rather talk about Thomas Pynchon, Fyodor Dostoevsky, and Vladimir Nabokov than Friedrich Nietzsche, Karl Marx, and Sir Thomas Aquinas

IT'S.
ALL.
LITERATURE.

I don't know how the "most popular" books here were determined, but OF COURSE it's a list of entry-level things that many people here have read. Your post amounts to the suggestion that because those things are popular and common, they should be the only things discussed, which doesn't make any sense.

Besides, those hundreds of identical threads about Nabokov or Pynchon have barely the discussion that philosophy threads have had here. And when there is meaningful content contributed to Pynchon or Nabokov threads, it often comes from those who are also most capable of contributing to threads about philosophical literature as well. This is a board that wants to talk about the things that are pertinent to literature.

But that's all besides the point because philosophy meets the definition of literature, and to try to excise this component of literature is impossible because literature implies philosophy (and to some extent, history and politics).

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:20:07 2015 No.7307902

>>7307892
>>7307877
I'm going to repost what I posted in another thread.

The whole reason people here have been begging for a /phil/ containment board is that threads [like threads about the Frankfurt School] -attract- /pol/ and all stripes of culture warriors. I don't think the majority of /lit/ is opposed to somebody posting, say, a feminist critique of a novel, but when there exists no constrain at all against philosophy and sociology and psychology on /lit/, you get people fighting an assortment of culture wars all over a board whose favorite books are almost 100% novels. You don't have to tell me that philosophy and history and literature all overlap and interact with each other but I think a separation is pragmatic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:20:26 2015 No.7307903 >>7307888 "This board is a piece of shit"

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:21:55 2015 No.7307905 >>7307877 You're being, as I called someone earlier, excessively literal.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:28:12 2015 No.7307924

>>7307902
/lit/ isn't in danger of becoming another /pol/. If someone even catches a whiff of /pol/ in one of your posts, they will usually tell you to go away.

I'm pretty sure it's the "history" part of /his/ is that attracts all the undesirables. This will become obvious if you look at the history boards of other chans.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:32:26 2015 No.7307931 >>7307903 So telling the truth on a shitty history board gets you banned, huh?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:32:33 2015 No.7307932 >>7307924 And probably anthropology as well, since that invites a lot of discussion about race.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:35:22 2015 No.7307936

>>7307902
>The whole reason people here have been begging for a /phil/ containment board is that threads [like threads about the Frankfurt School] -attract- /pol/ and all stripes of culture warriors.
Not all of them do. The OPs begging for text based discussion and the ones where people who have actually read material can be good. Sometimes they are just idiot containment threads.

However, other books have idiot containment threads where nobody has read the book and it's not because it's political, it's because people think they won't be called out.
> I don't think the majority of /lit/ is opposed to somebody posting, say, a feminist critique of a novel, but when there exists no constrain at all against philosophy and sociology and psychology on /lit/, you get people fighting an assortment of culture wars all over a board whose favorite books are almost 100% novels.

This sounds like you want to keep one ideology and remove cultural wars you haven't already picked a side in. It's retarded to want to remove culture wars because novels have been written to start culture wars before "culture wars" in academia in the 90s developed that as a news item. I think you're seeing these things because you were bullied less than you should have been to be any kind of writer or reader, because you think certain perspectives ought to be coddled.
To which I'm saying, no, just because literature might disagree with your comfort zone, does not make it not literature. If you don't like Mencken or Bierce for their antifeminist stances, it does not invalidate their literary standing, it means you have a dumb literary opinion. You're trying to force one kind of politics and philosophy on a board which likes a variety of them in novel and nonfiction form.

>You don't have to tell me that philosophy and history and literature all overlap and interact with each other but I think a separation is pragmatic.
It's not pragmatic when it's just being used by people to express their shitty taste not the literary worth of the work. Most of the people who complain about /pol/ posters engage with them and are of the same reading level. The people who read don't complain about them; they correct them with references to the text. You're probably one of those and not the good kind.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:36:49 2015 No.7307939 >>7307905 No, you're being arbitrary and are wrong.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:37:30 2015 No.7307941

>>7307924
Obviously we're not /pol/, but it's bad enough that people have complained. But it's not just politics. It's philosophy and religion too. Philosophical discussions gave way to personal philosophical musings to stoned ideas to blog posts. And then there's threads trashing either analytic or continental philosophy. Threads about whether there's a God. Threads about Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris. A lot of people on this board (I'd argue most, look at the board's 100 favorite books) don't want to see this stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:38:44 2015 No.7307947 >>7307939 I think it's pretty obvious that Dostoevsky's religion or Pynchon's politics aren't going to be banned from discussion. This is common sense, and I think suggesting otherwise is, as I said, excessively literal and alarmist.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:44:57 2015 No.7307954

>>7307947
What you're ignoring is that Dostoevsky's religion gets brought up in Orthodoxy threads. Usually, until one of the fags from those thread you want to ban show up, in a Dostoevsky thread the interpretation of what Dostoevsky meant or the significance of religion and politics in his work is complete bullshit. A high school English teacher should flunk people for some of the retarded opinions anons spout in a Dostoevsky thread until someone with a background in late 19th C Russia shows up or someone who is well versed in Orthodoxy. Those people without that background are the vast majority of shit in Dostoevsky threads, and are allowed tell the people who make them not shit their opinion is not wanted here. You're hoping the wrong people shut up.
I can't really say you'll find nonretarded Pynchon posts anyway.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:45:48 2015 No.7307956

>>7307902
>You don't have to tell me that philosophy and history and literature all overlap and interact with each other but I think a separation is pragmatic.

If there was a way to separate /pol/-style shitposting about race and Jews and liberals, and keep the "good" humanities discussion here, then that way would be very good and pragmatic. But telling people to "discuss philosophy" on /his/, uprooting a major focus of discussion on /lit/ and robbing those who want to talk about the humanities-related things /lit/ is adept at from the audience most capable of discussing those things, is not pragmatic. This is trying to fix something that isn't broken. This is trying to accommodate something that is already accounted for, but instead severing it and obliterating it.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:49:52 2015 No.7307963

>>7307936
You continue to mischaracterize me. I haven't and wouldn't argue that philosophy, politics, and theory should be completely banned from discussion, and I don't think the mods feel this way either. The separation is, as I said, pragmatic. Now a thread that wants to discuss generally the Frankfurt School or Nietzsche or Karl Marx gets posted on /his/, but I'm sure someone here could any of bring these to, say, critique a novel. If the mods feel otherwise, I'll protest it. But I think it's common sense to assume there's no outright ban on these things.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:53:08 2015 No.7307972
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>>7307688
>people do read books, but it can be hard to find multiple people who have read a specific book worth discussing recently enough to have a good discussion of it.
/lit/ should start a scheduled book club for the sake of being able to have a more consistent discussion.

Having Infinite Summer a few months ago was fun, we should keep that idea going.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:55:03 2015 No.7307977

>>7307956
I think as long as we keep getting threads purely about Marxism, purely about God's existence, or purely about the stupidity of one philosophical school or another, then it is broken, and I'm not alone in thinking this. Of course, as you said, Dostoevsky can come up in one of these threads, but I think that's a silly reason to keep them around.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:57:03 2015 No.7307980

>>7307963
>You continue to mischaracterize me.
Am I embarrassing you in front of your mum?

> I haven't and wouldn't argue that philosophy, politics, and theory should be completely banned from discussion, and I don't think the mods feel this way either. The separation is, as I said, pragmatic.
You saying over and over that it's pragmatic when I've outline how it is not and how many people are already trying to send people who have read the Greeks to >>>/his/tory channel does not make it true. It's an arbitrary division which cuts out the founding blocks of western canon and the humanities, which is literacy. Reporting a Nietzsche thread here ought to be like reporting a Rilke or Hamsun thread. Making this board /novel/ because you like that form is stupid and arbitrary and your idea you have a character here to protect above the character of Western canon makes me think you need to go to a hugbox where people won't tell you when you're being stupid and arbitrary. You love too few books to love the ones you read well, and your self now more than the self you could be with broader horizons. Faulkner even thinks that's retarded advice to writers of novels.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:00:12 2015 No.7308084

>>7308074
>But, as I said, even if a few meme books get rated too high, even if you think Moby-Dick and Lolita have "not any literary value,"
what the fuck are you smoking?

>there is still an enormous preponderance of books that would be more likely to be assigned an English major than a Philosophy major
Because they're entry level normal core, not because people aren't interested in higher things, but because they are just starting out and don't want to read things which are "hard". The idea that you're promoting that people just aren't interested in them is judging books by their covers like a lot of people do with classics. Then they actually read the Golden Ass and like it for the same reasons they go on to read Ulysses: the sex jokes.

An actual literature course would not contain most of those books, but would instead contain more of the books you cite as philosophical works alone, before it assigned barely any of those 100 books. These are courses with heavy reading loads, and they still would reject the majority of that list as unimportant to an understanding of literature compared with texts you want to see moved to a different board and claim are uninteresting. There's complete denial from reality that you have any fucking clue about the discipline of literature.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:03:46 2015 No.7308086

>>7308079
Yeah, doesn't that make perfect sense? Hey, why don't we cut off the highest level of literature discussion on /lit/, the best discussion anywhere on this website, from its natural home where it flourished and complemented all other discussion on the board, and throw it in with /pol/?

I'm sure hiro or the mods or whoever tried to make this decision had good intentions of promoting discussion of various topics and building the community, and in doing so, made an error of judgement. The absurdity of removing the most popular literature discussion from /lit/ to mix it with /pol/ is self-evident.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:04:46 2015 No.7307989

>>7307980
Once again, I agree that the distinction between philosophy and literature is ambiguous, but it's not totally arbitrary. It's complicated, but not arbitrary. I agree that Nietzsche is literature. But he's going to be an unfortunate casualty of a policy that, in the opinion of this board's core members, is going to benefit it. (To justify that before you question, I would point you again to the Top 100 and also anyone's account of what's considered "/lit/core.") But anyway, since you've insulted me a bunch of times and used words like 'hugbox,' I have to say honesty that if you're the sort of person who's displaced by the creation of /his/ I'm not sorry for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:06:28 2015 No.7307993 >>7307989 i am not the cited poster but nah u r the cunt m8

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:14:13 2015 No.7308097

>>7308082
>An English major studies these writers in the university's Literary Theory course, and if they come up in other English classes, they're discussed in relation to the novels, plays, and poems that have been assigned, not as topics for discussions in themselves.

Uh yeah, English majors learn about Marx and Benjamin and Derrida and so on in English departments, and there are courses dedicated to learning these writers' theories as part of obtaining an English degree. That's what I told you.

You've been whittled down to nothing here m8. Your shrinking replies are so full of qualifiers now, your argument is nearly agreeing with us.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:14:24 2015 No.7308000 >>7307993 Wait, you're not affected by this, are you?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:15:23 2015 No.7308003

>>7307989
That's asking what the lowest common denominator of the board is, rather than what makes it good. What makes it rise about the level of the top 100 is that we have anons that have not just read those books, but read widely beyond them. Arguing because it'll make someone of a lower reading level more comfortable because the more common and entry level books get to tell the others to fuck off is going to kill what's good about the board, not make it better. The people who are elitist because they're heavy readers like classics, philosophy and history students who become literary critics often are what stop those people from staying at a very basic level. What's popular is not what is good or well informed, just like because I insult you doesn't make me wrong. I'm probably going to be reported more by people who don't want to learn like you, but I know the duty of noblesse oblige from Nietzsche is to educate you because I'm privileged enough to have read more than just the normal core of the board. If you keep pointing to normal core as though that's the standard, let me point you to the original and now second sticky which is the old standard for well read before people like you who thought falling in the C range of the curve thought they should be allowed lower the tone to normal. What used be /lit/ core use be much higher standards when we didn't use what was popular but what was philosophically and historically recognised.

You totally need a hug box if you think I'm going to be displaced from even a /novel/ board, I've read more and better ones with greater understanding that you.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:19:12 2015 No.7308014

>>7307989
>But he's going to be an unfortunate casualty of a policy that, in the opinion of this board's core members, is going to benefit it.

You are replying to a core a member, who, incidentally, has the opposite opinion of you. Where do you think you get off acting like /lit/'s number one specialty since the day the board was created, the subject discussed by many of this board's core members past and present, is something that needs to be gotten rid of because it's not the niche of literature that you (you !- /lit/'s core members) want to talk about?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:29:12 2015 No.7308025

>>7308003
>>7308014
Whether you think the participants have good taste or not, or whether you think the participants actually read the books or not, you have to at least agree that the preponderance of novels, poems, and plays indicates what kind of stuff the majority of the board is interested in discussing, and that's books that would be more likely assigned an English major than a Philosophy major. They separate these subjects in academia, you know. Do you disagree with that too? And it works just fine. It's obvious that politics, philosophy, psychology, and other disciplines are allowed to drift into English classes, just as I've said that I would never support a policy that would prevent these subjects from drifting into discussions here.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:39:59 2015 No.7308120

>what the fuck are you smoking?
You've repeatedly criticized the Top 100 for its low taste, but those novels are among the highest ranked.

>Because they're entry level normal core, not because people aren't interested in higher things, but because they are just starting out and don't want to read things which are "hard".
Unless you're of the opinion that philosophy is 'higher' than novels/poems/plays, this is totally immaterial to my point. Again, regardless of whether one thinks the books on the Top 100 are the books that should be there, the type of books they are indicate the general bent of the board, and that's toward novels/poems/plays rather than philosophical texts.

>An actual literature course would not contain most of those books, but would instead contain more of the books you cite as philosophical works alone
Yes, lots of books that are popularly assigned in English classes (Montaigne, Emerson, Thoreau, Nietzsche) could be called works of pure philosophy. The question of "What is literature?" is a famously thorny one. But if Nietzsche threads don't appear on /lit/ anymore, it'll be because, as I said, the free rein philosophy discussions have been permitted thus far has produced a ton of threads that may be about subjects that could, potentially, interact with novels/poems/plays, but in these threads -do not-, or only very little. It may be important for an English major to read Marx, but I don't see any English departments providing courses called Karl Marx, where you just read Marx and discuss his ideas without any relation to literature, which is what these threads do. That's for Sociology departments.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:41:53 2015 No.7308059

>>7308025
>you have to at least agree that the preponderance of novels, poems, and plays indicates what kind of stuff the majority of the board is interested in discussing
m8, no poll on 4chan doesn't get fucked with. that chart even had several books on it which got only one vote. a lot of them are there because of memes, not any literary value. they're not the books you would assign to an English or philosophy major to give them a basis in either subject, and you'd be having flashbacks of Beowulf if you knew what a basic English course in a reasonably accredited uni was like at all. You'd also know that universities are designed so these faculties are in constant touch with each other and the rest of the humanities at minimum, and with more disciplines than the just the humanities in any very good university, because that was how universities were designed to work. you keep exposing your ignorance because you want to hold fast to conclusions which have no foundation, even as the sand you're building on gives way. it's a board about books, and unfortunately novelists think reading these things is important too. you're arguing we should respect your opinion above the opinion of literary authorities, who are generally part time philosophers at minimum. it's just not going to happen.

>tl;dr-There's literally no reason to cut the foundations of western literature out, or cast most of the eastern canon adrift, just because you like novels to the exclusion of other books.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:46:14 2015 No.7308130

>>7308097
No, that's not my point. English majors study Marx, Benjamin, and Derrida so that they can use them as a lens to criticize novels/poems/plays; they don't study them purely for themselves. The threads here about those writers are mostly filled with people who do study them for themselves and have zero or very tangential interest in the books English majors talk about. They're interested in philosophy and sociology and history, for themselves, not for where they overlap or interact with literature.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:47:21 2015 No.7308065

>>7308025
>you have to at least agree that the preponderance of novels, poems, and plays indicates what kind of stuff the majority of the board is interested in discussing

This has already been addressed. The most popular books are the books most people here have read. Which books have been most read by us has nothing to do with what is or isn't literature. A literature board doesn't have to only discuss a set list of 100 popular novels. Why would you even suggest that? That's bizarre.

>and that's books that would be more likely assigned an English major than a Philosophy major

No dude, English departments are where Derrida and Nietzsche and Marx and Freud would more likely be discussed, not english-speaking Philosophy departments.

Since you don't understand what literature analysis deals with, I recommend
http://www.amazon.com/Literary-Theory-Introduction-Terry-Eagleton/dp/0816654476
It'll teach you all about Derrida and the post-structuralists and the Freudians and Walter Benjamin and the Frankfurt School and... you know, the things that constitute literature analysis in an academic context. =)

>just as I've said that I would never support a policy that would prevent these subjects from drifting into discussions here

Those things are part and parcel with literature discussion. Just like how those things are essential elements of this board, no matter how hard you try to make it look like they just "drift in" and "break the board".

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:50:01 2015 No.7308135

>>7308130
Actually, I should revise. I wasn't paying close attention to the names here. Derrida and Benjamin could be called philosophers of literature. I'm not making the rules here, but I wouldn't report a thread made about them. Other philosophers' concerns, however, are remote from literature, even if those concerns can be related to it, and that's whom I'm talking about.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:53:24 2015 No.7308074

>>7308059
No, you're mischaracterizing my argument again. I keep saying over and over that I know about and support an interaction between literature and philosophy. You don't have to tell me how the humanities keep in touch with each other in universities. But, as I said, even if a few meme books get rated too high, even if you think Moby-Dick and Lolita have "not any literary value," there is still an enormous preponderance of books that would be more likely to be assigned an English major than a Philosophy major, so there's no denying that's the general bent of the board, and that separating them just as academia does (since you value what they do so highly) is going to be a welcome change for a lot people, even if it means we lose a few valued veterans such as yourself.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:53:55 2015 No.7308140

I want to add once again that I know that all these disciplines we're discussing interact with literature, and some of the books they've produced could even be called literature. But I think it's important to recognize that the concerns of the board generally is literary rather than philosophical or sociological or political, and therefore a categorical separation will improve the board in the eyes of many of its members by making sure that threads that are interested in discussing these disciplines for themselves are made elsewhere.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:54:51 2015 No.7308079 >disucssing religion, history and philosophy with /pol/ oh boy

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:59:26 2015 No.7308082

>>7308065
>No dude, English departments are where Derrida and Nietzsche and Marx and Freud would more likely be discussed, not english-speaking Philosophy departments.

An English major studies these writers in the university's Literary Theory course, and if they come up in other English classes, they're discussed in relation to the novels, plays, and poems that have been assigned, not as topics for discussions in themselves.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 01:59:34 2015 No.7308146

I like how nearly all of the people griping over /his/'s existence make it seem like without philosophy /lit/ becomes a genre-fiction board, which shows you the kind of STEM-tard mindset going on here. If you don't understand the value of literature, the namesake of this board, accept your quarantine for the just deal it is and go to /his/.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 02:04:24 2015 No.7308154

>>7308120
>You've repeatedly criticized the Top 100 for its low taste, but those novels are among the highest ranked.
I criticized it for being the lowest common denominator all normal core is. For comparison, all of the chart we made as a basic high school reading catch-up for entry readers made it to the list. Again. Highest ranked with some of them getting one vote from an entry level reader who relied on the suggestions of better read people to make even entry level choices for a high schooler, let alone a well read high schooler. You are fucking smoking something if you picked Moby Dick and Lolita out of that chart as meme books or high school core.

>Unless you're of the opinion that philosophy is 'higher' than novels/poems/plays, this is totally immaterial to my point.
Most of the entry level readers make this mistake. The people who comprise your precious pop chart's voters. Philosophy is equally a genre to other genres, and features not just in several forms specific to philosophical writing (aphorisms, critiques) but also in the form of novels, poems, and plays. You are deeply confused about what a genre and what a form is in literature and I suggest that you get a dictionary of literary terms. Your pop chart means nothing to literature, and it's people who are well versed in literature who made the charts for entry level people that pop chart regurgitates back as "look, we listened".

>Yes, lots of books that are popularly assigned in English classes (Montaigne, Emerson, Thoreau, Nietzsche) could be called works of pure philosophy
You're trying to name drop philosophers into an English course. You're retarded. Burke is better name drop. You're trying to bluff that you could write a course outline when you patently can't to anyone who has had to write one or even attended uni for English. You don't know anything about English courses, or what philosophers are key to which movements, and you want to tell people who know better that they are wrong about it. Keep reading and regurgitating the recommendation charts from the sticky you are far too dumb to learn from, I really see no point in arguing with someone who is clearly making shit up because they have no knowledge of the subject. You're informing nobody of anything that would help them with the actual discipline of literature, you're just arguing for a board culture which has no understanding of its hobby.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 02:07:10 2015 No.7308157 Things are coming around, /his/ just might be good yet.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 02:16:50 2015 No.7308169

>>7308154
No matter what you say to that anon, he's going to ignore all your points and just mindlessly repeat the same post about THE POLL. THE POLL IS LITERATURE. LITERATURE IS THE POLL. THE POLL IS THE PURE PLATONIC FORM OF LITERATURE -- err, actually, scratch that because we must not ever talk about Plato's literature now BECAUSE PLATO ISN'T IN THE POLL

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 02:36:43 2015 No.7308200

>>7308154
Your responses are so needlessly padded with presumptions and insults that it's a wonder I continue to reply. In any case, this is probably the third or fourth time I'm going to reiterate that I point to the Top 100 not because it's a good list but because it's a clear indication that the concerns of the board generally are that of an English major rather than a Philosophy or Sociology or Political Science major. Now, you may point out that there are many philosophical texts that are part of an English major's required reading, and that's true.

But again, the categorical separation the mods have performed here is one that's been requested for years, and while it may be a blunt instrument, it's been done to achieve a good end, and that's to keep out threads purely about, say, the feasibility of communism, the existence of God, or the decline of the West. Now, obviously, any of these things could come up in an English class. Porous borders, ambivalent categories, we get it. The humanities all interact with each other: beautiful. We can complicate these things all day. It's very easy. But I think reasonable people can agree that on a board that seems to be filled with English majors, these are poor and inappropriate threads to make.

We're having a categorical discussion here, a philosophical discussion, that could be very easily be solved by just adhering to common sense. Nobody knows what "literature" is, but we have English departments anyway. English departments don't have to worry about a professor teaching a class purely about free will, but we do have to worry about threads like that, and the /his/ board is a good if imperfect instrument to achieve that.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 02:50:53 2015 No.7308219

>>7308169
That's an utter mischaracterization. I never denied that it's impossible to define literature's boundaries. Many would agree that literature includes Gibbon's histories, Boswell's biography of Johnson, and Montaigne's essays. And yes, Plato. But the creation of /his/ isn't really to keep out Plato, or even Nietzsche. It's to keep out threads about (I'll use the same examples) the feasibility of communism, the existence of God, or the decline of the West. You could call these political, philosophical, and historical subjects, respectively, but you could also argue their relevance to literature, effectively. Nevertheless, universities have Philosophy departments that are separate from English departments. If the academic world can accept a separation like that without a revolt, then so can we.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 03:13:22 2015 No.7308248

I want to add that I would personally advocate for a moderation policy that uses the English major as a guide, so that threads about Marx, Nietzsche, and Derrida would not be deleted, but threads about free will, historical revisionism, or the existence of God would. For the four-hundredth time, I know it's pretty easy to complicate these distinctions. "How can you talk about Nietzsche but stay away from the existence of God?" Right, but things in practice aren't actually so ambiguous. Mods would have to use their judgment, deleting threads whose OP just says "God's not real, right?" but preserve Nietzsche threads where the debate comes up. You use common sense.

But anyway, I don't think that's going to happen. That's why I called /his/ a "blunt instrument." It's not perfect, but it gets the job done. If it's true that, as I've claimed, this board is mostly English majors or people with an English major-y bent to them, then there may very well be plenty of them interested in Nietzsche or Marx. But the policy that allows these guys to be discussed also permits tons of other stuff that's totally unwanted. A more nuanced moderation policy would be best, but if the creation of /his/ gets rid of threads where atheists and Christians go at each other's throat, I support it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 03:19:45 2015 No.7308262 >>7307208 there is no "trial stage" once they've added it, it stays

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 03:21:27 2015 No.7308270 >>7308086 >building the community Fuck the community, only /lit/ matters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 03:40:40 2015 No.7308306 Just look at >>>/pol/54822064 >>>/pol/54819857 it's hopeless

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 03:49:37 2015 No.7308316 >>7308306 Neither of those threads have attracted many replies. Meanwhile, last time I checked the most active thread on /his/ was an anti-/pol/ one that was receiving a lot of support. I think /his/ will turn out fine.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 04:05:49 2015 No.7308330

>>7308200
>anon tells you he's not going to reply because you lack any nuance
>continue to not recognize nuance
Dude have you considered the smart people might be avoiding you and that's why you seem to have plateaued?
You made the English majors fuck off so you could armchair philosophize, pls restrain your cancer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 04:20:49 2015 No.7308353 >>7308330 I have no idea what you mean. I was an English major, and I'm arguing for a moderation policy that uses the English major as a guide to what gets left alone and kicked out.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 04:27:34 2015 No.7308370

>>7308353
You sound like you slept through class if you're the guy arguing against the other two. No offense, but they're right about your(?) division not making sense to literature. I don't get why you're complaining about philosophers being here when you write reddit-tier phil shit like >>7308200 because it makes me think you're not a good judge and want to kick out the wrong shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 04:35:21 2015 No.7308390 >>7308146 Philosophy is literature. How hard is this to understand?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 04:35:42 2015 No.7308392

>>7308370
Did you read these posts of mine?
>>7308219
>>7308248

I have no illusions about literature's inclusiveness, and the English major's inclusiveness. I've argued that a moderation policy that uses the English major as a guide is best, but I would take over nothing a blunt policy that persecutes philosophers studied in Literary Theory because, as it is (or maybe was), a policy that says philosophical, political, and sociological discussion is fair game attracts a ton of unwanted threads. I go into it in more detail in the posts I linked.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 04:44:50 2015 No.7308408

>>7308392
Yes, I read the posts a little bit up the quote chain you were replying to also.

You missed their point and tried to make it seem like you weren't arguing against them when it became clear they knew more. Both of the posters you were arguing against mentioned authors who are integral to literary analysis, while you tried to make out any literature or literary analysis class would have Montaigne as commonly as literary analysis from Nietzsche to Derrida.

You really do not sound like an English major; you sound like someone who is trying to save face when English majors prove him wrong and provide him with further reading. You should say thanks to the guy who gave you the recommendations on literary analysis.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 05:16:17 2015 No.7308441

>>7308408
No, you misunderstood me. I'm more aware than you could ever know that Nietzsche and Derrida are integral to literary analysis as it's currently practiced. That's why I said that under the moderation policy that I'd advocate, which would use the English major as a guide, threads about them would not be deleted. I was, however, arguing against unconstrained philosophical, political, and sociological discussion. In English departments, there's a filter at work. Not everything philosophy deals with is relevant to literary analysis. The theorists taught in Literary Theory courses are selected from among philosophers for their usefulness, and even then only certain parts of these theorists' work is taught. Not everything Nietzsche wrote is relevant to English majors. But there is no filtering mechanism in place on /lit/ to perform that work for us. Therefore, I was saying I wouldn't mind so much if the board was about novels/poems/plays with philosophical/political/sociological content permitted as long as it was relevant to the discussion of the text. A policy like that would be harsh, but its bluntness would keep out so much stuff that's exclusive to Philosophy and Political Science and Sociological departments that it would be worth it, to me. I've since cooled on that a bit, which is why you detected a slight change in my position. I became more moderate as the night progressed.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 05:36:29 2015 No.7308476

>>7308441
Dude, just stop. You're not and shouldn't be king of the board.

You lack the training, knowledge and skills you want to be acknowledged for and your moderate version still is missing the nuance and understanding of English lit a major should have. I know it's nice to have people respect your opinion... but I just can't respect yours because you really are obviously /tryhard/ not /lit/.

>I'm more aware than you could ever know that Nietzsche and Derrida are integral to literary analysis as it's currently practiced
Anon, I don't believe you. I know you want someone to believe you on that, but you need to find someone who isn't /lit/ and who has even less nuance than you in English lit to be believed on this after this thread. This grandiose lying is why I told you to calm your cancer.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:10:17 2015 No.7308525

>>7308476
I'm well aware I don't run things here. I don't want to. I'm only voicing my opinion about how the board could be improved (and I've remained pretty calm as people who claim repeatedly to be much smarter than me devote 90% of their replies to insults).

"Improving" the board means to me making it free of debates about, e.g., the existence of God, free will, consciousness, and communism. Etc. We can complicate distinctions and blur lines all day, but what it comes down to is that this is a board whose majority isn't interested in philosophical/political discussion totally removed from the discussion of literary art. You can see this by looking at the books that show up in the board's polls.

But way more importantly—way more importantly—this is a board who's not interested in shitposts and trolls about those topics. It's likely people would tolerate these sorts of threads if they were all staid and serious, but people who want to discuss literary art start to get bugged when there's shitposts about stuff unrelated to it. To reiterate, the /his/ board option is a blunt instrument, but if it curtails that sort of thing, I'm for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:13:33 2015 No.7308533 >>7308525 Enjoy all that free space for the >subvocalizing threads I guess.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:19:42 2015 No.7308555

>>7308525
And you keep trying to speak for a majority. You don't have a mandate to speak for a majority when three separate anons have told you they oppose your position. No one I can see has agreed with you. I really think you would be happier somewhere which was dedicated to novels not literature and which has names and karma points. You can't argue there are too many philosophy posters and then simultaneously insist the majority of the board not being about novels is a sign the majority want to be restricted to novels.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:24:45 2015 No.7308563

>>7308555
I'm not speaking for the majority, I've reasoned that the majority is more interested in literary art than philosophical/political discussions (and interested in the latter only as they overlap with the former) based on the /lit/ Top 100, which is almost 100% literary art. If you want to criticize the list's methodology, fine, I'm aware it wasn't great. But somebody's doing one now with a smarter methodology. I don't expect it turn out very different.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:26:41 2015 No.7308565

>>7308561
>based on the /lit/ Top 100
whut? That was a fiction strawpoll. Most Top 100 lists created by /lit/ or discussed here are fiction restricted. You've misinterpreted the point of that poll so you can claim you have majority backing, and, yes, you are trying to speak for them.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:35:01 2015 No.7308577

>>7308565
Check out this year's posted >>7307828
>27. Summa Theologica
>45. Confessions of Saint Augustine
>75. Being and Time
>77. Das Kapital
>99. Beyond Good and Evil

Fiction and non-fiction mixed.

Out of 100 books, five philosophy books. The rest are literary art.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:39:36 2015 No.7308582 >>7308577 lol, that's some flawed methodology you got going for what /lit/ actually likes, dude. You've been massively rused by pollsters.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:42:51 2015 No.7308586

>>7308577
Yeah, that's because when a poll goes up for people to vote for their favourite book, people think of that as their favourite fictional novel--not their favourite works of philosophy, or history book, or anything else non-fiction. I bet if a second poll was started, which explicitly reminded anons they can vote for their favourite novel AND/OR philosophy book etc etc, then we'd have a more 'accurate' idea of the balance. I believe the total ratio of fiction-to-philosophy threads there have ever been would be a more telling source, anyhow.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:44:44 2015 No.7308590 >>7308586 Dude, not even that, people voted Summa Theologica high enough it went to #27. Anon doesn't even see that's blatant lies told by lying liars XD

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:48:58 2015 No.7308595

>>7308590
>Summa Theologica high enough it went to #27

Sure. But it seems that fact alone wouldn't be enough for the anon above, who seems to want a complete equilibrium between philosophy and fiction. I'm trying to say that an equilibrium between the two isn't fair to seek in the chart, because a favourite books poll really means 'favourite novels poll'.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:49:25 2015 No.7308596 The list is 95% literary art. 95%. I'm not even claiming 95% of /lit/ is more interested in literary art than philosophical/political discussions. I'm claiming merely a majority. And you still deny it.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:51:51 2015 No.7308598

>>7308593
m8, you got rused. People voted for those books because they're trolls. Three of them are Fuck your strawpoll you illiterate fuck votes. It's hilarious you bought Summa Theologica was read and well liked enough by enough people it's in the top thirty even if you didn't notice Being and Time and Das Kapital being there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:53:05 2015 No.7308599 >>7308596 >I'm not even claiming 95% of /lit/ is more interested in literary art than philosophical/political discussions Well then you have nothing else to argue any more. It seems as if you've conceded all your arguments, if that's the case.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:54:30 2015 No.7308603

>>7306748
Here's what probably going to happen
>philosophical discussion on /lit/ dies down slightly, and is relegated to anons using the pretence of a book to jump into wider philosophical issues
>/his/ is either saved by mods and smart posters (unlikely) and becomes a second, more informal bastion to shoot the shit OR /his/ is ruined by /pol/ and /int/ retards and shut down, creating a short term influx of new posters who enjoyed /his/, dumbing down discussion here for a while, but overall boosting posting numbers and (hopefully) getting these people educated and involved with the board in a positive way, or telling them to return to /pol/

Don't panic guys.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:54:36 2015 No.7308604 >>7308598 You're damaging your own argument. If you remove those books on account of trolls, then the list is 98% literary art. What are you trying to accomplish?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:56:42 2015 No.7308607 >>7308599 The following sentence that you conveniently cut out is my reply.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:57:23 2015 No.7308609 >>7308596 Since when has what the majority wants ever been important? There are far more worthless shitposts with frogs than there are genuinely informative posts worth reading, should /lit/ be given to the shitposters?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:58:49 2015 No.7308610

>>7308604
lol m8, just accept it, this is exactly what we spam when we fuck up magazine's readers' polls too.

You got trolled by people who knew you wouldn't know better than to question enough people reading thousands of pages of Aquinas had all liked one book more than the others. Heidegger fans are mostly post Turn and voting Being and Time is a 2deep4u /lit/ meme since forever. I'm dying of laughter you think you're a good judge of board culture. Holy fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 06:58:50 2015 No.7308611 >>7308609 The choice isn't philosophy/politics or shitposting, and you know that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:00:09 2015 No.7308612 >>7308611 I never implied that, I made a point about your majority-worship.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:01:46 2015 No.7308615 >>7308607 I left it out because it's just dead weight. What you said in the first 2 sentences made them useless. Just signifiers, signifying nothing. Of course, I'm assuming you're >>7308563 >>7308525 >>7308441

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:03:34 2015 No.7308619

>>7308610
I'm well aware of the list's flaws. I'm well aware that if everybody were forced to be honest about what they actually read, it would look a whole lot different. But none of that matters, because the list still indicates the overall bent of the book's interest, and that's overwhelmingly toward literary art.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:04:54 2015 No.7308624 >>7308619 You're not well aware, god love you, you fell for the most obvious trolls known to /lit/

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:06:01 2015 No.7308626

>>7308615
I am the guy who made those posts.

I don't see where I claimed anything except that "the majority of /lit/ has a preference for literary art over philosophical/political discussion," and the list, which is 95% literary art, indicates that such a majority exists.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:08:22 2015 No.7308628

>>7308626
95% of the list didn't go for trolls as obvious as posting Being and Time to a top 100 list. If Rand's in there anywhere, you got trolled on fiction too. I'm afraid to look and see because I think I bust something in my eye laughing at your 'well aware'ness.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:09:28 2015 No.7308631

>>7308624
I don't know if you're aware, but that Top 100 is not nearly as much a troll as you're making it out to be. I know the board's culture. I know what books get discussed here. Most of the books on the list are there because people genuinely like them. You're absolutely right that the Summa Theologica being that high is something of a troll, and the meme trilogy's numbers have been inflated too. That doesn't invalidate the fact that it's overwhelmingly literary art, because that's what most of the people who post here are interested in.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:12:07 2015 No.7308639 >>7308631 Dude, you're fucking retarded and trying to backtrack in a thread I'm getting enough lulz off I'm tempted to screencap it. You're not an authority on board culture; you fell for the traps even newbs realize are traps.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:22:46 2015 No.7308660
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>>7308619
>>7308626
I'm seriously starting to wonder if we're being trolled by you. Look. I'm "well aware that" we're absolutely grilling you here, but you just don't seem to get it, or I don't seem to get you.

>I don't see where I claimed anything except that "the majority of /lit/ has a preference for literary art over philosophical/political discussion," and the list, which is 95% literary art, indicates that such a majority exists.
>and the list, which is 95% literary art, indicates that such a majority exists.
>indicates that such a majority exists.

I don't think it does, though. Maybe you didn't see my response before:
As I've said previously, I'm pretty sure that when a poll is put up for people to vote for their 'favourite book', people think 'their favourite novel'. And as I also said before, if a poll were put up explicitly reminding voters that they can vote for their favourite NON FICTION AS WELL, then we'd probably see a radical difference.

As I ALSO said, I believe that gathering a comprehensive tally of all thread topics, ever, and formulating a lit-to-phil ratio would be more truthful than a poll opened at some random time in whatever year, spanning for maybe a week (I don't know how long it was open for, but it's astronomically less than the age of /lit/ itself).

In addition to that, if a new poll was started, surveying exactly this problem, your thesis would be blasted. Actually, I challenge you; start a poll where voters are given the choice to rate fic-literature or philosophy over the other, or both equally in preference to each other.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:27:37 2015 No.7308673

>>7308639
I've been posting here for three years. If you're going to tell me that Pynchon, Wallace, Nabokov, Dostoevsky, Kafka, etc. are that high simply because of trolls, it's you who's out of touch with the board. Pynchon and Wallace, I'm aware, are memes, but they're also genuinely liked as much as their place on the list indicates. Screencap away. I haven't backtracked at all. I never claimed that the list was perfect or free of trolling or that anyone who voted for the Summa Theologica had actually read it. I claimed that the list indicates an overwhelmingly greater interest in literary art over philosophy/politics, and it does.

Take a look at /mu/'s poll charts. Overwhelmingly rock music (in the broad sense of the term). But they troll just as much as we do. No one would ever claim, however, that their poll charts don't indicate an overwhelming preference for rock music over classical music. No one could claim that that's where /mu/'s real interest lies, and that the polls don't indicate anything. They indicate what direction the board's interest is aimed in, and it's true here too. Our Top 100 is 95% literary art, and therefore it's not outrageous to say that this is a board with members who, by and large, are more interested in literary art than philosophy/politics. This would be true even with a much greater amount of trolling than seems to have occurred. If philosophy/politics were people's main interest here, then they would troll about that. But only a few troll options got in, because sincere and ironic philosophy/politics people are in the minority.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:29:41 2015 No.7308678 >>7308660 >>7308673 ALso, I'm not saying there isn't a majority. It's just no where near as large as you're making it out to be. It's probably quite a close case.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:31:44 2015 No.7308684

>>7308660
Yes, I read your post and I honestly don't think it would matter that much if people were explicitly reminded that they could vote for non-fiction as well. I think it's possible a lot of people didn't think they could vote for non-fiction. I think it's more possible that most people here's favorite books are fiction.

I'm not trolling, and even though there's nobody here anymore who agrees with me, I don't feel "grilled" at all. I've answered every single person calmly and with good faith.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:33:56 2015 No.7308688

>>7308673
>blathering on about a worse position than his own as though it's mine
I've been reading classics for 23 years, mixed with many other books. You strawmanning me because you got rused worse than some of the underage b&s we've entertained here doesn't even bother me. You need that list to be all fiction or all truth: a good reading of Nabokov or Kafka will never come of that. Keep embarrassing yourself by insisting that being trolled on a fiction top 100 graphic makes you king of /lit/ Maybe we can make you jello wrestle with Kolsti.
You've been here three years and you still get trolled by entry level trolls. Think about that

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:36:11 2015 No.7308695 >>7308684 Agree to disagree, I guess. The last things I remain ruffled by are your early posts, but fuck it, what ever. Let's leave each other alone. I think I am right, I think you are astronomically wrong. Peace, anon.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:47:47 2015 No.7308712

>>7308688
I never claimed I was the "king" of the board. I've claimed merely that I'm a member who's been posting here for a few years and that I'm in a reasonably good position to assess the board's taste. There are plenty of people who've been here longer than I have and who post here more often.

Anyway, my (unexpectedly controversial) contention is that the majority of this board's members are more interested in literary art than philosophy/politics. But I didn't just say it and expect you to take my word for it, even though that's my impression after years of posting here. I backed it up with reference to the Top 100 list, and not because I believe the list is perfect. You, however, have called the list a ruse and a troll, and I think that's way off. The novels on the list are ones that are repeatedly discussed here with general approval and sincere interest. Again, even if there is a good amount of trolling, take a look at /mu/'s poll charts. They troll just as much as we do, and yet you could never claim that they're mainly interested in classical music, even though their charts are predominantly rock music. Some rock albums may be voted on for the purpose of trolling, but the overwhelming presence of rock albums still indicates that's where their interest lies. So even if I didn't already know from experience that most of the Top 100 list is sincere, I would still know, without ever having visited this board, that it was one that was mostly interested in literary art, and not so much philosophy and politics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:49:36 2015 No.7308716 >>7308712 Kid, I don't care. Have a good life. Read more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:52:59 2015 No.7308719 >>7308716 I'm not a kid. I've read plenty. I hope you have a good life too.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:56:43 2015 No.7308730
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>>7308719
>Hmph!!!! I'm not a kid! I've read plenty!
I'm sorry but that was absolut kek, I've never actually audibly laughed at someone's retort. He calls you a kid, and then you do exactly what a kid would do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 09:45:16 2015 No.7309000 >>7308716 >>7308719 >>7308730 lets all play nice /lit/

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