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Is this book actually good or is it just a meme?

>> No.7295832

I enjoyed it. A little too cute but it's pretty good pop science and it has the best layman's explanation of Godel in existence as far as I know. The ants chapter is fun.

>> No.7295840

>>7295805
I've read his other one: I Am a Strange Loop (which he says is basically the same, but with new examples).

Tbh I didn't get it. But he brings up some interesting points about logic, language, paradoxes, and self-awareness. All in a conversational tone.

I highly recommend it.

>> No.7295852

>>7295832
What's a serious, non-pop science version of this view of consciousness?

>> No.7295880

>>7295852
Not sure. In any case, I haven't read it. Maybe start here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergentism

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>>7295880
So your recommendation is based off of what then? Emergentism is bullshit. Hofstadter at least has an alarmingly well formed idea about howw consciousness works. Pic related.

>> No.7295940

>>7295911
Is there a name for his ideas of consciousness? Is it found elsewhere?

>> No.7295994

>>7295940
Strange Loop

"And yet when I say "strange loop", I have something else in mind — a less concrete, more elusive notion. What I mean by "strange loop" is — here goes a first stab, anyway — not a physical circuit but an abstract loop in which, in the series of stages that constitute the cycling-around, there is a shift from one level of abstraction (or structure) to another, which feels like an upwards movement in a hierarchy, and yet somehow the successive "upward" shifts turn out to give rise to a closed cycle. That is, despite one's sense of departing ever further from one's origin, one winds up, to one's shock, exactly where one had started out. In short, a strange loop is a paradoxical level-crossing feedback loop."

But it may be easier to say: A system of symbols that has a symbol for itself. Add memory. Now there is a 'you'. Ya feel me?

>> No.7296361

>>7295994
This is just a convoluted descriptions of what dialectics and Hegel already did two-hunned years ago.

>> No.7296382

>>7295911
It's the closest I'm aware of in scientific literature to Hofstadter's version of consciousness. Completely possible that there's a better name for what he talks about.

>> No.7297141

>>7295805
It's absolutely worth reading and will give you another lens through which to see the world. If you don't have a good understanding of math I think it might end up seeming less interesting than it really is.