/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.7289408]

What I expected:

Interesting and controversial thoughts on the role Islam in 21st century France and the West

What I got:
The same old Houllebecq shtick of a horny loner detached from life, hopping from prostitute to prostitute, with the added outlook of being allowed to take several wives who are all obedient

[Anonymous No.7289496]

>>7289408
Sounds like paradise tbh

Can't wait for the Islamist revolution to take this country already

[Anonymous No.7289497]

>>7289496
Well then this is the book for you - the last quarter is just "Islam is the best thing ever for me, I can marry all that 15-year old prime pussy I want"

[Anonymous No.7289508]

>>7289496
>>7289497

>implying harems aren't just for the upper classes and the lower working class scum don't get a fat monobrowed wife picked out for them

[Anonymous No.7289517]

>>7289508

In the book under French Islam, the women are allocated based on income. The main figure/Houellebecq's self-insert is offered a position at a Saudi-funded Paris university, so he can have 3 wives.

There's a rather gushy example about the "wife pickers", experienced females who work long to pick out the perfect wife for anyone since men "can't inspect the goods".

So working class scum would probably only get one, but "so fitting" wife.

/r9k/ would love hollaback

[Anonymous No.7289519]

>>7289508
>the lower working class scum don't get a fat monobrowed wife picked out for them

Not that different from right now tbh, if you replace "monobrowed" with greasy, or just plain ugly

[Anonymous No.7289523]

>>7289517
>/r9k/ would love hollaback

Whatever should be required robot reading, if only for how much it disgusts regular young people

[Anonymous No.7289548]

>>7289523
yea I picked up whatever after it got posted in an r9k required reading thread. can confirmed I loved it

[Anonymous No.7289560]

>>7289408
>>The same old Houllebecq shtick of a horny loner detached from life, hopping from prostitute to prostitute, with the added outlook of being allowed to take several wives who are all obedient
since day one

houllebecq is for failed normies. One day, he will go beyond pussy and emotional misery.

[Anonymous No.7289567]

>>7289560

[Anonymous No.7289573]

>>7289567

[Anonymous No.7289583]

>>7289573
>>7289567
>houllebecq is for failed normies. One day, he will go beyond pussy and emotional misery.

I don't think we're going to see that. The sentences from your screenshots may as well be from Soumission, and there's 20 years in between, that man does not develop.

(His skill does develop a bit - there are a few nicely structured things in Soumission, like the parallelism with Huysman's life)

[Anonymous No.7289595]

>>7289548
Whatever is one of the most hilariously tragic books I've ever read. Finished it in hour or two. Shame other Houllebecq books aren't as good.

[Anonymous No.7289612]

>>7289595
The Map And The Territory is pretty good too, but possibly because there's so little of the usually endless focus on sexuality

[Anonymous No.7289630]

>>7289567
>implying I don't have an exiting, varied masturbatory life

[Anonymous No.7289682]

>>7289630
>on Tuesdays I masturbate using coconut oil instead of the usual canola

[Anonymous No.7290471]

I was planning to start reading Houllebecq, is it worth it?

[Anonymous No.7290477]

>>7290471
read Whatever

if you like it, read his other stuff

[Anonymous No.7290495]

>not reading it for /lit/-related recs

Huysmans and Guenon were a nice catch.

[Anonymous No.7290956]

>>7289517
>>7289497
>>7289496
None of you understand islam

[Anonymous No.7291919]

>>7290956
does Houellebecq?

[Anonymous No.7291962]

>>7290956
I'm not writing anything about my own knowledge of Islam, I'm just repeating the book.

[Anonymous No.7291963]

Are (failed) normies really this obsessed with sex?

I'm not the best womanizer out there. I get a gf every few years ( and it fails horribly each time ), and to get off I go every now and then to a prostitute and that's it.

I don't feel like it particularly owns my life. I know ways how to deal with that aspect.
But the more I come on 4chan, the more I realize the lot of you really are obsessed with it more than any other pursuit in life.
Or is it because you're Americans, and as Houellebecq himself even put it, you people only think of drugs, sex and how to become an even better sociopath yourself?

Or I guess the people I meet in real life do not wish to admit their thirst this much, but it has been revealing.
I'm not above it all, I guess it's just a sort of indifference on my part.

[Anonymous No.7291979]

>>7289408
I thought his prose is way better on this book than his other works and it's better structured like >>7289583 said.

I enjoyed his views on literature too.

[Anonymous No.7291987]

>>7289560
>>7289567
>>7289573

If only he was confident and himself.

[Anonymous No.7292005]

Can lit give us some good works on Islam? I'm interested in both the historical and modern interpretations and works from the perspectives of both the Middle East and the West as well as any other commentaries that exist.

[Anonymous No.7292017]

>>7291963
Girl in the picture looks cute.

Anymore of her?

[Anonymous No.7292018]

>>7292005
Some ideas:

The Crusades Through Arab Eyes for an interesting perspective

A History Of God for comparisons and a bit of pop-religious history

Very basic intro: Azlan's No god But God

The autobiography of Malcolm X for keks

[Anonymous No.7292023]

>>7292017

Sure thing bro.

[Anonymous No.7292026]

>>7292023
Sweet.

[Anonymous No.7292033]

>>7292023
Is she the daughter of that billionaire who willingly did porn or am I thinking of someone different?

[Anonymous No.7292046]

>>7292018
>Reza Azlan?
Nice b8

[Anonymous No.7292047]

>>7292033

Nope, that's her alright.

She's one of the cool girls /lit/ claims to meet that is so above all that shit /r9k/ thinks they're all about.

[Anonymous No.7292059]

>>7291987
How does one do this?

[Anonymous No.7292065]

>>7292059
Start with the greeks.

[Anonymous No.7292130]

>>7292046

[Anonymous No.7292222]

>>7292130
Based Grandpa Bloom

[Anonymous No.7292258]

>>7292059


Just be your le self :^)

[Anonymous No.7292281]

>>7292258
What if your le self is worthless and pathetic?

[Anonymous No.7292489]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.7292520]

>>7292046
No god but God is a solid introductory work for the modern reader, stop being a fucking sperg.

>>7292130
Based

[Anonymous No.7292525]

daily reminder that Hollaback is literally

/r/morbidreality: the writer

[Anonymous No.7292536]

>>7292520
Didn't know sperg was short for critical reader and thinker who challenges Azlan.

[Anonymous No.7292791]

So what works on Islam and the Middle East are everyone currently reading? How about our planned reading lists? I have a few Bernard Lewis books I'm planning on dissecting soon as well as dozens of more which I have yet to purchase.

[Anonymous No.7292851]

>>7289408
>What I expected: Interesting and controversial thoughts on the role Islam in 21st century France and the West

Well, that's your own fault. It was never his intention to write such a book. The furor over the content in Soumission is due to a) The timing of its release following the Charlie Hebdo attacks b) Idiotic media and reviewers having to latch on to a specific controversy in the novel such as with his earlier charges of misogyny and racism. It's a work of fiction which utilizes the current social climate in France not a treatise about Islam in Europe.

[Anonymous No.7292889]

>>7292851

[Anonymous No.7292912]

>>7291963
"Normies" is a meme at this point, but the average Westerner these days really is a bit of a loser. Obsessed with sex, drugs, entertainment. Now, those have been constants throughout human history, but at least in the past a sense of responsibility and piety instilled through fear and respect allowed even the lower classes to maintain a certain degree of respectability. Now we've torn down all the guardians of morality and culture, and as a result the average person is a stinking pile of sewage.

Basically, the Protestant Reformation and the Renaissance are the worst things to happen to Western civilization.

[Anonymous No.7292921]

>>7292912
That's your subjective opinion. "Duties" and "responsibilities" are spooks.

[Anonymous No.7292948]

>>7292912
>"Normies" is a meme at this point, but the average Westerner these days really is a bit of a loser. Obsessed with sex, drugs, entertainment.

But this is part of what classifies a 'normie'. Hedonistic pursuits, being sexually active, etc.

[Anonymous No.7292953]

>>7292912
>the Protestant Reformation and the Renaissance are the worst things to happen to Western civilization.
>Reformation

Yes

>Renaissance

No

[Anonymous No.7293159]

people are hedonistic and our science has always been about easing our lives (only a few believes that science is about truth, and they cannot even justify their stance). People are not wrong to be hedonistic but in hedonism, it is never enough and in the end, hedonism is hardly effective. We will see where our demand of liberties will lead us, beyond some leisure industry. Once that you add that women have a easier life, and do anything that they can to keep their advantages, no wonder that a few men have resentment.

[Anonymous No.7293228]

/r/ ing the english epub, pls fam

[Anonymous No.7293766]

>>7293228
Not out yet, for some reason

Only German & French available

[Anonymous No.7293797]

>>7292281
Then you will die alone, congratulations :)

[Anonymous No.7293817]

>Houellebecq thread
>see the same sort of shit-tier, face value, high school level analysis of his work as always
Never change, /lit/.

[Anonymous No.7293819]

>>7293817
>complains about the status
>doesn't add his own opinion for lack of one

Never change, shitposters

[Anonymous No.7293830]

>>7293819
I'm not going to waste that much time every thread, m8.
>implying 90% of this thread isn't shitposters anyway

[Anonymous No.7293844]

>>7293766

Ebook is released, someone just needs to post it.

[Anonymous No.7293858]

>>7293830
Nice cop-out friendo

[Anonymous No.7293862]

>>7293844
You are correct!

http://www63.zippyshare.com/v/bjBtMAO7/file.html

from mobilism, just posted 8 days ago

[Anonymous No.7293863]

>>7289612
It's boring shit.

[Anonymous No.7293873]

>>7293862
Much obliged!

[Anonymous No.7293945]

>>7289517
>In the book under French Islam, the women are allocated based on income. The main figure/Houellebecq's self-insert is offered a position at a Saudi-funded Paris university, so he can have 3 wives.
>[...]
>So working class scum would probably only get one, but "so fitting" wife.

I don't get it. Part of the value of women not only comes from them being more choosy by nature, but the women who are actually attractive are a rare "good".
The fertility window is 15 to 45, realistically you 18 is legal and you see a women is "older" at 28, so that's a 10 year window where they are hot TM.

So...
>>7289496
>Sounds like paradise tbh
I don't figure you mean the scenario where a 24 year old man marries a 45 year old woman.
Men will can marry between 24 and 60, say, so it's even worse when multiple wives are allowed. One 30yo man marrying three 20 to 30 year old women takes away a huge bulk of options for the other 24 and 60 year old men.

[Anonymous No.7293968]

The problem with polygamy is that all the rich alpha guys will get all the good girls, while all the betas will have no one to marry and then they grow long beards and go on angry jihad, and then you get the shithole known as the middle east.

[Anonymous No.7294008]

>>7293968
Pretty sure you'll have a hard time backing up this correlation. I've never heard that the radicals complain would be a lack of waifu.

[Anonymous No.7294016]

>>7294008
of course they wouldnt complain about it, because they dont even realize it.
They are too busy humping goats

[Anonymous No.7294017]

>>7294008
Not that other guy, but there's one documentary with interviews implying this:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/15/sexual-frustration-driving-kids-to-isis.html

http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/06/sexual-frustration-faulted-for-rise-in-isis/

[Anonymous No.7294021]

>>7293968
How is that especially different from today?

[Anonymous No.7294033]

>>7294017
thx for the reference

[Anonymous No.7294036]

Houellebecq has nothing really interesting to say but he can point things out that the mainstream doesn't look at because Houellebecq gets drunk and reads youtube comments.

If he were writing screenplays and with a good director, we might think better of him, but in prose it's nothing impressive.

[Anonymous No.7294037]

>>7294021
in america rich alphas still get the hot chicks but polygamy is illegal, so there is some left over hot chicks and the hot chicks are distributed evenly, so its literally your fault if you are a beta.

[Anonymous No.7294051]

>>7294037
>so there is some left over hot chicks and the hot chicks are distributed evenly
What sort of fantasy lala land do you live in?

[Anonymous No.7294057]

Question: Is this topic that's overtaking 4chan in the last 3 months simply a child of reddit and still contained there, or is this a topic in the real world too?
I spend too much time on the web, so I can't tell. Clearly, people don't like to personally talk about their sexual shortcomings.

[Anonymous No.7294058]

>>7294051
the one were im not a beta bitch boy like you

[Anonymous No.7294065]

Question: Is this topic that's overtaking 4chan in the last 3 months simply a child of reddit and still contained there, or is this a topic in the real world too?
I spend too much time on the web, so I cannot tell. Clearly, people don't like to personally talk about their sexual shortcomings.

[Anonymous No.7294069]

>>7294057
It comes up on occasion, how more and more boys and young men are failing in education, professionally, socially and also sexually.

It's just not a major topic because men are still seen as disposable.
>>7294058
I'm not a /r9k/-tier permavirgin at all, but you're delusional if you actually believe this.

[Anonymous No.7294103]

>>7292017
>>7292023

I think this is her.

[Anonymous No.7294111]

>>7294065
I feel like it has always been *the* thing /r9k/ rotated around, not that much in the mainstream IMHO

When that one worthless rich kid shot a few people in the US it shortly came up in the "normal" news, but IMHO it has disappeared again

[Anonymous No.7294123]

>>7294065
I think the problem is going to get more and more visible. It used to be that the only people who couldn't get boy/girlfriends were loners, but I think more and more people who do have social circles are going to have real trouble and people are going to acknowledge that there is a problem. I don't believe anything will change though, just that people will know its real.

[Anonymous No.7294134]

>>7294123
Is it real though, has something changed, or is it just that the lonely people - the one which by definition didn't talk to many people before - have a voice via the internet now?

[Anonymous No.7294203]

>>7294123
>I don't believe anything will change though, just that people will know its real.
real and the bitterness from the men will show. the bitterness will of course be much heavier on the internet. In real life, those betas will remain beta and will be happy as soon as a woman acknowledges their existence. they will try to satisfy her if she wants something from them.

[Anonymous No.7294872]

>>7292005
Destiny Disrupted by Tamim Ansary had a good historical overview of Islamic civilization

[Anonymous No.7294914]

>>7294065
>this topic that's overtaking 4chan in the last 3 months

If anything it originated on 4chan and spread to Reddit several years ago.

[Anonymous No.7296124]

>>7291963
If you were American, chances are you would never have had a girlfriend

I'm good looking, socially and pop culturally aware, emotionally stunted because we hate strangers etc, and I've only had one girlfriend

I have a severe personality disorder but most find sociopathy offputting

[Anonymous No.7296175]

>>7292047
She's a dumb ass fucking whore that wanted to get into porn for some misplaced sense of empowerment and as a feminist publicity stunt, then whined about her experience after willingly staring on facial abuse

[Anonymous No.7296824]

[Anonymous No.7296864]

>>7293159
idiot

[Anonymous No.7296896]

>4 - 6.8%
I'm not that bad I guess