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[Anonymous No.7270444]

ITT: Lesser known philosophers and a brief introduction to their work.

>Henri de Saint-Simon

Set the foundation for industrialism and was the first to distinguish between the working class and the "idler" class. He detested government intervention in the economy and in this way advocated for a technocratic socialist system with utopian characteristics.

>The whole of society rests upon industry. Industry is the sole guarantee of its existence, the single source of all its wealth and all its prosperity. The state of things most favorable to industry is by that very reason the most favorable to society.

[Anonymous No.7270680]

bumping

[Anonymous No.7271974]

>>7270444
He detested government intervention in economics and thus advocated socialism? Am I missing something?

[Anonymous No.7271990]

also bumping

[Anonymous No.7272009]

>>7270444

>He detested government intervention
>advocated for a technocratic socialist system

Yeah, you're going to need to elaborate.

[Anonymous No.7272014]

>>7270444
Saint-Simon is hardly a "lesser known" philosopher

[Anonymous No.7272135]

>>7272014
stfu

[Anonymous No.7272304]

>>7272009
OP did say "brief"

[Anonymous No.7272329]

>>7272009

Yeah, that makes no sense.

It sounds like he'd pretty much love what we have now though, we pretty much live in this socialist-libertarian contradiction bullshit anyway

>with utopian characteristics
...

[Anonymous No.7272354]

>>7272329
Yeah, I read somewhere that he tried to put this system to the test in Paris and it failed miserably.

[Anonymous No.7272364]

>>7272135
That goes against the entire premise of your thread and ends up defeating its purpose. "Philosophers I just found out about" would have been more appropriate title, I guess.

[Anonymous No.7272369]

Stop arguing assholes this could be a cool thread. Nobody is impressed that you don't consider someone lesser known. Case in point:

>Johann Gottlieb Fichte

A reaction to Kant and basically began the German Idealism movement, influenced Schelling and Hegel. His most interesting work is on consciousness, both individual and universal. Specifically “the I posits itself as an I” was his. There are tons of holes, like how he used "intuition", which is why the existentialists criticized him, but still worth a read.

[Anonymous No.7272389]

>>7271974
Yes.
Socialism isn't equal to statism, in fact, this meme is a rather recent one, courtesy of leninism and western propaganda, even Marx himself turned his back on the idea of a 'intermediary state' he beleived after the Commune of Paris.

[Anonymous No.7272397]

Gilbert Simondon

He inspired both Deleuze and Latour.
Phenomonology applied to technology and technical artifacts.

A real forerunner when it come to understand what are the factors driving the evolution of technical objects.

He is mostly unkwnown even in academic circles, and dropping his name will boost your street credibility in STS-related conferences.

Will also give you the opportunity to sparkle the interest of engineers.

[Anonymous No.7272398]

>>7272369
Fichte is good, but in no way unknown

[Anonymous No.7272417]

Guys, I once studied Kierkegaard and there was this British dude in my class who was always going on about some Swiss(?) philosopher named Pecan or something. Prounounced pee-cahn (the a is like the a in calm). I'm pretty sure Pecan wrote in French and maybe wrote about silence but I can't find anything about him.

Does anybody know which philosopher I'm talking about?

[Anonymous No.7272437]

>>7272417
Nevermind, I found him.

Max Picard, a 20th century Platonist. He wrote The World of Silence. I don't know much about him, so I'll post some Amazon reviews of his book.

>I read this book as part of a course on Philosophy at the University of St. Francis in Stubbenville. That was many years ago. I still take this book off the shelf for so many reasons. It allows me to enter into a world which is far more true than this one, and limitlessly beautiful. I have never bothered to take the time to review a book. But this book is so dear to me, I had to proclaim it's fine value. I pray I get a chance to meet Max Picard in the next life. Even having nothing to say to each other would be a highlight! I would ask to be buried with this book, I love it so much, but it would be better if someone rescued it from my casket and read it!

>I share the same feelings about this book as the rest of the reviewers. This is a book I will never forget and one that I will read again and again. Picard has written a metaphysics of the heart/soul/spirit. If you have ever tried to explain a spiritual experience to another person and found yourself running out of words . . . then you have approached the Silence. What a book! What a treasure!

>Max Picard was one of those --very few-- outstanding men of faith of the XXth century who clearly saw, already in the 1930's, the kind of predicament we were in. That conditions seem to have worsened some 80 years later may be an optical illusion, since at bottom they remain the same.

>Picard's main contention, that we are cut-off from the source of true Silence, and that the true human word can only exist in that connection, was shared among others by Ferdinand Ebner, Martin Buber and Romano Guardini. All of them, in spite of their confessional differences, were true men of dialogue --perhaps because rooted in that Silence from which the true human word can blossom.

>This wonderful little book is one of those very few you certainly won't forget --and lovingly written as a poem, so much that you'll feel you are reading real poetry at its best.

>Get it by all means, even if you have to copy it by hand from the only available copy in your local library...

Seems like he's quite impactful on those who read The World of Silence.

[Anonymous No.7272462]

>>7272417

Max Picard?

[Anonymous No.7272483]

>>7272437
perhaps read Pierre hadot too.

[Anonymous No.7272516]

Avril 1946. Introduction aux existentialismes. PAR EMMANUEL. MOUNIER

http://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/Mounier_Emmanuel/intro_aux_existentialismes/intro_existentialismes.pdf

[Anonymous No.7273753]

>>7272389
But if socialism was meant to be intermediary (I assume between capitalism and statism), then wouldn't it still be opposed to free trade, albeit to a lesser degree?

[Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo No.7273767]

>>7272369
>Fichte
>Saint-Simon
>lesser-known philosophers

just pop a cap in ur dome already lol

[Anonymous No.7274286]

>>7272397
>Phenomonology applied to technology and technical artifacts.

Interesting. Do you mean that technology as having bodies/minds which can experience the world in some way, that I'm assuming isn't just programming?

[Anonymous No.7274305]

>>7273767
oh look another one of these new tripfaggots to filter
lets see how long you last on this board
:^)

[Anonymous No.7274372]

>>7272354
Socialists failing? Color me surprised.

[Anonymous No.7274389]

Saint-Simone is lesser known? have you been diagnosed with special needs kid?

[Anonymous No.7274393]

>>7274305
>tallis
>new

Spotted the newfag

[Anonymous No.7274397]

>>7274372
Not exactly sure of the validity of this account, but

>Saint-Simon died in 1825. But an eager group of followers, including philosopher Auguste Comte, mystic-cum-railway director Barthelemy Enfantin, banker Jacques Lafitte, and scientist Nicolas Carnot, turned Saint-Simon's teachings into a full-on movement — and later, an experimental commune. (The commune itself failed quite spectacularly and was eventually outlawed in Paris.) As the movement progressively became weirder and more mystical, its adherents adopted wholesale many of the practices of Catholicism, including confession, marriage, and other sacraments — minus any worship of any God.

>Saint-Simonians in particular saw the regular act of confession as essential to communal living. A shared community needed to have no secrets or privacy, or things would fall apart. Except that this totally backfired when people confessed secrets (usually about who was sleeping with whom) and then they made it out into the open — breaking the already fragile solidarity of the commune.

[Anonymous No.7274441]

>>7270444
>the first to distinguish between the working class and the "idler" class

Bullshit, Saint-Simon did not see the class opposition between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. Saint-Simon considered the incomes of proprietors to be parasitic and the incomes of industrialists to be legitimate. Expressed in economic categories, he amalgamated land rent and loan interest in the incomes of the former and entrepreneurial revenue (or all profit) and wages in the incomes of the latter.
Saint-Simonism became a truly socialist doctrine, to the extent that it demanded the abolition of private ownership of the means of production, the distribution of goods according to labour and ability, and the social organisation and planning of production. These ideas are expressed most fully and systematically in the public lectures given in Paris in 1828-1829 by Saint-Simon's closest pupils, Saint Armand Bazard and Barthelemy Prosper Enfantin later published under the title of Doctrine de Saint Simon: Exposition: https://archive.org/details/doctrinedesaint00enfagoog