What is your unpopular /lit/ opinion?

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Anonymous Thu Oct 22 05:48:22 2015 No.7267210 [Reply] [Original]

What is your unpopular /lit/ opinion?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 05:52:55 2015 No.7267220 Reading translations makes no sense, a true patrician would learn atleast 15 languages in his lifetime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 05:59:37 2015 No.7267226 File: 133 KB, 600x600, 1445507977617.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7267210 Science-fiction is the highest form of novel writing if we use a broad definition. Fuck normal stories about normal things, think bigger.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:00:36 2015 No.7267228 >>7267226 >think bigger read Lacan

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:01:59 2015 No.7267230 Robert Frost is maybe the finest poet since Milton.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:07:09 2015 No.7267235 >>7267210 English is a barbaric language.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:09:03 2015 No.7267236 nearly all poetry is nauseating

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:09:08 2015 No.7267237 Most people just spout bullshit like this >>7267235

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:09:16 2015 No.7267238 Literature is a white man's occupation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:09:45 2015 No.7267240 >>7267210 The novel is holding literature back.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:10:25 2015 No.7267242 >>7267237 That this guy is 100% right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:12:08 2015 No.7267245 >>7267210 David Foster Wallace was a hack.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:13:58 2015 No.7267251 There are sound arguments for eugenics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:17:08 2015 No.7267257 I think reading genre fiction is mostly fine. I think people who yell at people for liking genre fiction are pretentious assholes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:19:03 2015 No.7267260 >>7267251 I think this is right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:19:15 2015 No.7267261 I like books

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:19:46 2015 No.7267263 >>7267245 history will justify you in this assertion

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:19:47 2015 No.7267264 >>7267235 >>7267238 >>7267245 These tbh

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:23:18 2015 No.7267266 we shouldn't make every topic about gender, race, or sexuality

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:26:18 2015 No.7267270 File: 257 KB, 415x476, 1444003501631.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7267266 I was going to tell you off for doing it but then I checked the posts earlier in this thread and now I feel strange about 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:27:23 2015 No.7267273 >>7267257 I'm with you, but I still think that genre shouldn't be the main type of reading of anyone. In other words, I don't look down on people that read sometimes read genre fiction, but I look down on people who only read genre fiction.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:28:12 2015 No.7267276 >>7267235 >>7267257 These >>7267240 How?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:28:19 2015 No.7267277 I think Zizek, Derrida and Lacan are full of shit. And I think Barthes' Death of the Author is only an interesting thought experiment. I also think the worst thing the humanities did was move away from Classics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:33:13 2015 No.7267283 >>7267273 I don't agree, but only because I'd rather someone only read genre fiction rather than not read at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:35:59 2015 No.7267290 >>7267226 agreed the only stories about "normal situations" i can stand are plays i need that fantastic spark to truly find it interesting

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:37:28 2015 No.7267294 >>7267210 >What is your unpopular /lit/ opinion? I like fiction. I read for the story. I read translations. I read ebooks. I have nobody to discuss books with, so I always forget titles, authors, trivia and even character names.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:39:52 2015 No.7267299 >>7267220 Bang on

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:45:02 2015 No.7267312 I don't think people should discount fanfiction off hand. Just because the characters aren't original doesn't invalidate the writing quality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:46:37 2015 No.7267316 >>7267210 Elitism is cringeworthy, and a mark of an uneducated mind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:51:44 2015 No.7267323 >>7267210 Leftism is wrong about literally everything People who use the "spook" meme unironically should be gassed

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 06:52:43 2015 No.7267326 >>7267226 Wrong. The setting and story are inconsequential to the novel's artistic worth.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:01:54 2015 No.7267337 >>7267326 You're confusing story with plot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:02:24 2015 No.7267339 >>7267326 but not to the enjoyment derived by the reader

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:03:26 2015 No.7267341 >>7267326 enjoyment derived by the reader is inconsequential to the novel's artistic worth. and there's something terribly sad and banal about that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:09:12 2015 No.7267354 >>7267326 I think this guy is a pleb trying so hard to pass himself off as a patrician.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:35:29 2015 No.7267395 I think Tennyson was a terrible poet.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:47:36 2015 No.7267431
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Christopher Hitchens was right. Communists whine that their movement shouldn't be associated with massacres of the 20th century, since those governments were Communist in name only, while blaming every ethno-religious massacre in the third world on global capitalism and unspecified international-corporations. Religious and racial extremism existed long before capitalism emerged in the world, yet these failures didn't turn to these movements because they believe in them, or because they're just shitty human beings. Their hands are tied because society has left them unemployed and feeling emasculated. So ethno-religious extremism is unique to modernity and merely a reaction to capitalism and the first world's way of life.

It's our fault every time a 24 year old in the remote villages of Sudan can't feel like man of the house because his younger sister makes 3x what he does and actually provides for the family. We should sympathize, for instead of checking his ego and adapting to an ever changing world, he justifiably preserves his cultural roots by playing soldier and beating up locals.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:49:00 2015 No.7267433 >>7267431 yikes

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:49:31 2015 No.7267434 >>7267323 >I am actually from /pol

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:52:44 2015 No.7267441 >>7267226 Kekkin' hard at this. Science fiction concerns itself with only the most mundane and superficial

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:54:08 2015 No.7267448 >>7267433 No he's actually pretty good-looking, his mom told him so.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:54:21 2015 No.7267450 >>7267290 are you me?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:54:42 2015 No.7267451 >>7267270 Why is Zizek wearing a Bartleby shirt?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:55:49 2015 No.7267453 >>7267448 your post is yikes-worthy, not the beanie baby

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 07:57:03 2015 No.7267459 The changes that oral cultures experience when transitioning to literacy are one of the main causes of the current ecological crisis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 08:00:46 2015 No.7267475 >>7267453 Why so, friend?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 08:23:19 2015 No.7267540 911 was NOT an inside job

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 08:24:30 2015 No.7267545 >>7267540 jet fuel can ACTUALLY melt steel beams

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 08:35:57 2015 No.7267568 File: 34 KB, 526x532, Ifartinyourgeneraldirection.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7267235 This

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 08:37:15 2015 No.7267571 >>7267235 says the guy speaking english on an english speaking website :^)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 08:52:10 2015 No.7267601 >>7267245 So were all the greatest writers. Nabokov, Hemingway, Shakespeare...

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 08:53:36 2015 No.7267603

I don't read to impress anybody or to move toward a certain goal. I read something that interests me and move outward like a web.

I don't care about translations and don't have any interest in learning a second language.

I don't care for science fiction or fantasy because it always came across pretentious and superficial.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 08:56:02 2015 No.7267605 >>7267601 I'm sure you are completely qualified and came to that conclusion after much consideration and deliberation. I totally don't think you are parroting stupid things retards on /lit/ told you

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 08:58:13 2015 No.7267611 >>7267459 That's like saying man becoming bipedal is the reason for the holocaust. It's literal non-sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:11:59 2015 No.7267632 bret easton elis is a sexy beast and all his characters are highly arousing

>>	∞ Thu Oct 22 09:15:50 2015 No.7267646 >>7267277 Have you read that new roger scruton book about them...?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:19:40 2015 No.7267652 >>7267226 I think you mean, form with most potential And I agree

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:21:01 2015 No.7267656 >>7267294 >have nobody to discuss books with, so I always forget titles, authors, trivia and even character names. This tbh

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:22:03 2015 No.7267659 >>7267646 I have not. What is it like?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:22:48 2015 No.7267661 >>7267431 >So ethno-religious extremism is unique to modernity and merely a reaction to capitalism and the first world's way of life. I thought we all agreed on that

>>	∞ Thu Oct 22 09:28:40 2015 No.7267676 >>7267659 About how lacan Derrida and zizek are hacks

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:30:30 2015 No.7267682

>>7267652
My gripe, and stop me if I am wrong, is that the characrers always felt generic as fuck. Like " WISE ANGLO SAXON PROFESSOR", "AUDIENCE SURROGATE MAIN CHARACTER", "MEGLOMANIACLE AUTHORITY FIGURE", "SMART GUY WILLING TO DO BAD THINGS FOR THE GREATER GOOD"

The setting always takes precende over the characters. This ain't a movie, we don't need a surrogate when we can literally know the character's inner most thoughts without it breaking pacing

One thing I think that did this pretty well was From Hell and V for Vendetta. I know there are those who will instantly shoot me down because these novels have pictures but hear me out, they were actually surprisingly really good. The characters were all really deep and intetesting in addition to having a fantastical setting.

I don't really read genre fiction, give me some sci fi books that have great characters and character interactions

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:34:36 2015 No.7267690 People who shit all over French post-structuralists are just mad they either can't understand or can't refute their view points. Analytic philosophy is a joke. Purely indicative of an inferiority complex stemming from the deification if science.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:35:45 2015 No.7267697

>>7267661
This tbh

Current ethno-religious conflicts, while sometimes ancient in origin, are much more related to nationalism (this does not mean patriotism, learn what it means) and bureaucratic style colonial imperialism, both recent and western models

Sure a serb and bosnian hate each other due to religious differences but that is a facet of other hatreds spurred by economic and social origins.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:36:22 2015 No.7267698 >>7267676 Cool stuff. Might have to check it out. You read it? What's his point?

>>	∞ Thu Oct 22 09:37:40 2015 No.7267700 >>7267698 Just read it and see. All of scruton's books are readable

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:39:52 2015 No.7267704 >>7267661 >/lit/ is a hivemind

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:44:11 2015 No.7267713 I like discussing literature

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:45:50 2015 No.7267716 File: 42 KB, 378x342, 1428201970835.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7267571 he knows thus what he talks about

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 09:45:54 2015 No.7267717 >>7267713 >>>/pol/

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 10:00:18 2015 No.7267743
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>>7267210
everything is not a vast lizard conspiracy but might as well be conceived of as such. most folks are p-zombies. Baudrillard was right and we've been reverting deeper into inner childhood ever since his assessment of Disneyland years ago (superhero worship, Brony fandom, etc.).

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 10:24:37 2015 No.7267822

>>7267697
The roots of hatred in the Balkans extend back further than Austro-Hungarian colonization, and even further than the centuries of Turkish occupation. You're assuming that these ethno-religious issues would already be resolved if they were given a higher quality of life. Yet even in the first world we still deal with occasional violence from racists, religious loons, and pseudo-revolutionaries. Northern Ireland still has Catholic and Protestant gangs, Israel has to deal with radical rabbis stabbing people at lgbt parades or radical Palestinians stabbing female soldiers, and the US still has mass shootings from upper-class youths who already had access to their parent's healthcare. The 20th century was the most prosperous one before our own, yet it didn't stop the most advanced nations of Europe and Asia from waging the deadliest wars in history on their neighbors.

The lives that disaffected young men take shouldn't be excused because they're poor or uneducated, nor should it be assumed that the violence would end if all their materialistic needs were met. Many are weak human beings who take the easy path of violence and acting out, compared to "beating the game" (if there is one) through just means for just reasons. They don't need to bring violence and death to their countrymen and others; especially when they're not under the rule of a military-strongman. And no, the West or a vague notion of a capitalist system is not financing or systematically backing all third world tyrants in power; however the US and USSR should be held responsible for when they did actually back tyrants throughout South America, Africa, and Asia.

This mantra is getting ridiculous, you're taking the words of the worst members of humanity at face-value without seeing if they're actually being screwed over. It's merely wanting the notion that the course of human history is spurred exclusively, or at least mostly, by economics to be true. It's a simple explanation for a complex world, reached through contemplation and absurdly broad readings of history, without putting in effort to look through the specific causes that led to the rise of a certain military-junta, terrorist gang, or civil war. These people have minds and moralities of their own, they don't exist solely to react to the west.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 10:25:34 2015 No.7267827 >>7267571 because most of the faggots here wouldn't understand anything more complex than english so if I want you to understand that I'm calling you a faggot I have to type "you're a faggot" and not "egy balfasz nyomorék vagy" simple

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 10:38:40 2015 No.7267869 >>7267827 >egy balfasz nyomorék vagy implying thats a real language lmao no one on this planet speaks that its 2015 bro cmon you just made that up didnt you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 10:49:08 2015 No.7267903 File: 701 KB, 1800x1898, 1432395524626.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7267869 barbaric autismo confirmed

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 10:54:52 2015 No.7267917 >>7267354 Sorry, but it should be obvious that neither setting nor story qualify as art and that they are merely things it suffers. Please actually learn what art is before posting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 10:55:55 2015 No.7267918 File: 976 KB, 245x280, 1444755618718.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7267917 >Please actually learn what art is

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 10:57:27 2015 No.7267923 >>7267917 >Blah blah pretentious tone and weak attempt at condescension. Yip, definitely trying way too hard. It's ok, anon - I'm sure you might want to say Homer had bad stories but you'd only be fooling yourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:00:53 2015 No.7267932 >>7267235 this sure is the "most" talked language in the word, but its a really bad language for translations and poetry

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:02:07 2015 No.7267938 >>7267918 >>7267923 Tell me what art is at its core right now, and I'll apologize for being condescending. Prove that settings and stories are art, and I'll gladly recognize my retardation vocally.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:04:47 2015 No.7267943 >>7267869 underrated post hahahah

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:06:46 2015 No.7267946 >>7267235 Frog detected. French is the real barbarism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:07:25 2015 No.7267947 File: 2.87 MB, 320x240, comelookatthissadfuckwatson.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7267938 All art is a construct of factors. Setting and stories are factors and therefore important to art.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:09:06 2015 No.7267952 >>7267947 This is right. >>7267938 This is a pretentious fool.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:14:03 2015 No.7267963 >>7267235 Then why is it the best language for poetry?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:15:23 2015 No.7267964 >>7267947 >>7267952 These. >>7267963 You've never read anything other than english poetry.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:17:48 2015 No.7267968

>>7267964
>You've never read anything other than english poetry.

I began learning English at the age of 16. I read poetry in two other languages before I read it in English. Look at all of the finest poets. The best of them come from England and Ireland.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:17:56 2015 No.7267969

>>7267963
Not that anon, but I like to think that all languages are best suited for a certain form of literature.
I'm only bilingual, but I think German is very good for poems and lyrics. Less good for novels. I think English is a very fun language for novels, because it can be very creative, but it can make poems seem contrived.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:18:57 2015 No.7267972 I agree with Chomsky's political views.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:23:30 2015 No.7267983

>>7267822
Uhm, lol no to your first response. Serbiam nationalism is a very recent phenomenon, as in theast 150-ish years. You are right that the Serbian Despotate was conquered and subsumed by the Ottoman empire HOWEVER this is NOT an equivalence to modern ethnic tensions in the Balkans. The Christians of Serbia were still allowed to practice their religion so long as they paid fealty to the Ottoman state. Sure, Christians and Muslims hate each other and will kill one another, but this isn't the paradigm that was followed by the Serbians.

When medieval Christians and Muslims took each others territory they usually forcibly converted the residents, forced them to pay a tax, deported them, or simply slew them however the basis for such wasn't based on the desire fot the Serbian nation-state to be composed of exclusively ethnic Serbs. These concepts did not exist, it is anachronistic. Serbian right wing nationalists were NOT subtle about why they killed each other.

This answer I gave is a modern paradigm in context to the question that was fucking phrased in terms of modern institutions like capitalism. Fuck off with your dumbfuck reddit response, sure all people are violent but there is USUALLY enougj evidence to speculate as the reasons why. Also, I never proposed a marxist histiography you dumb motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:24:52 2015 No.7267988 >>7267983 *killed Bosnians

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:27:53 2015 No.7267995 >>7267963 Hahaha oh wow Amerilards are funny when they try to talk about art, like a pre school kid using a suit

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:30:54 2015 No.7268004 fascism has potential to work

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:34:39 2015 No.7268013

>>7267995
He's sort right. English has a comparably large number monosyballic words. The implication being that it makes the structure more malleable. Can be worked into more lyrical structures

No need to be so hilariously ass blasted. Let me guess, you think a western european language lends itself best to poetry... say perhaps... french?

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:37:43 2015 No.7268022

>>7268004
No, it doesn't. Eventually your society will crumble from perpetual total war that hinges on explicit militaristism of fascism

You are just some white supremacist from /pol/ who doesn't know a single thing about political philosophy and just think that nazis have cool uniforms so you think fascism would be cool too

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:38:26 2015 No.7268024 >>7267682 Would you consider a post-apocalyptic novel a sci-fi enough? Because if so, read Station Eleven by Emily St. John-Mandel

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:39:04 2015 No.7268029 >>7268013 like you said, is the best language for easy, childish word plays the best languages for poetry are russian and portuguese

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:39:24 2015 No.7268030 >>7267995 I'm Swiss, not American.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:42:47 2015 No.7268036

>>7268029
Let me guess, because you are portugese and can speak broken Russian and you picked Russia because you think it is cool? There is no "best language". Various languages across the globe have their own poetic (or cultural equivalent) traditions. Ordering them is pointless, entirely based on preference.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:43:40 2015 No.7268038 >>7268030 the guys from the country without great poets talking about poetry come on now

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:44:07 2015 No.7268039

>>7267822
>completely misunderstand/misread the post you're replying to
>"Historical Marxism and the materialist dialectic failed you guise!!!!!" (No shit)
>prattle on and on about something that could be summed up in literally one sentence

I think you're the biggest pseud I've ran into in a long, long time

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:44:55 2015 No.7268042 >>7268038 You can barely speak comprehensible English, fuck off

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:45:13 2015 No.7268044 >>7268036 Can't I be russian with a broken portuguese? also >There is no "best language" >He's sort right. nice hot arguments shitto

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:47:39 2015 No.7268054 >>7268022 >perpetual total war that hinges on explicit militaristism You're confusing fascism with nazism

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:49:05 2015 No.7268056

>>7268039
thanks fam

More psuedo-int then the guy who literally copy and pasted a wall of text from Reddit about how all humans are evil and everyone does bad things because life is shit everything is black and dark like the demon half of my soul and dad wont let me stay up on thursday nights to play dota

Quit rambling, pick a point, your assertions are juvenile and plentiful and talk, my friend, is cheap

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:50:24 2015 No.7268060 >>7268054 Nah that was actually a Mussolini(TM) original, hence the invasion of Ethiopia. The state should be in total war to breed the best men, forged in the fires of glory blah blah blah

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:50:34 2015 No.7268062 >>7268054 >explicit militarism >exclusively nazi Wew lad

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:51:06 2015 No.7268063 >>7268042 good arguments kiddo call me whetever you need help to talk about poetry

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:53:43 2015 No.7268071

>>7268044
I said "sort of" then I provided a reason why, instead some dumb faggot who thinks the two languages he has a slight bsckground in are totally super duper leaps and bounds the best poetic language

Like I said, is arbitrary. You can't objectively quantify something as more or less "lyrical". Also, I just assumed yoj are some Brazilian faggot who is going through a phase where he's super into Russia and even taught himself russian vocab through the internet

How right am I? (On all counts)

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:54:13 2015 No.7268073

>>7267690
both analytic and continental have their uses and their flaws tbh. Continental philosophy is like getting stoned and thinking about stuff, you are gonna end with great mindblowing theories of everything, but they may make no sense to people who are sober. While analytical philosophy is like an autistic who is hyperlogical but also kinda pedantic and overly literal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:54:38 2015 No.7268075 >>7268071 >Also, I just assumed yoj are some Brazilian faggot who is going through a phase where he's super into Russia and even taught himself russian vocab through the internet Not even that guy, but nice projecting there buddy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:58:04 2015 No.7268090 >>7268060 Then fascism without strict militarism would be just a traditionalist/very conservative?

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:59:21 2015 No.7268092

>>7268075
I am not Brazilian, don't have even a passing interest in Russia, and am not a faggot.

What am I projecting here? Do you even know what you just said or did you select it from your list of Official 4Chan Meme Responses

The only one you could likely argue was that I was projecting my insecurities based on my sexuality as evidenced by using a homophobic slur but really I wouldn't care about being gay. Would be fine with me tbh, kinda wish I was so it would be easier to find a bae~ fam tbh

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 11:59:36 2015 No.7268094 >>7268090 Depends on how conservative you'd consider corporatism

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:01:51 2015 No.7268099

>>7268092
Wew lad, no need to get all uppity

Of course you're not a faggot, of course you're not projecting your insecurities on someone you don't even know, and of course you're not Brazilian

Everyone is really impressed with your display of penetrating insight on the psyche of someone you've never even met

lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:03:11 2015 No.7268103 >>7268071 >instead some dumb faggot whoa calm down kiddo, I won't argue with a angry anglolard, we all now its a waste of time excuse me while I go read some patrician tier literature while you stay with your genderless rhymes

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:06:35 2015 No.7268106

>>7268090
Fascism isn't "conservative" in either the American or European sense. It is strictly far right occupying the farthest end of the spectrum. Also, having strict esoteric nationalist beliefs, all of the largest corporations converge on government and unlike a traditionally left socialist form of government, the corporation are given much more autonomy as long as it is in the interest of the state. Labour unions are STRICTLY forbidden. Also, fascism in every instance bas run a foul of clergy and organised religions. Also, hates democracy.

The idea behind fascism is taking the concept of the "nation-state" to its logical fucking extreme and then some. There is no distinction between state and nation. The state IS the manifestion of the bureaucratic will of the homogenously "pure" nation. It can ONLY be authoritarian as the state's actions are a democratic process of the collective people simply exercising their will

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:08:42 2015 No.7268113

>>7267947
Art is, at its core, a construct of perceivable phenomena, things that can be interpreted by the senses, so in this sense, you are right. However, one doesn't sense story or setting themselves, they sense the perceivable phenomena the artist uses to form them, which in this case would be words, which are experienced through the senses. Therefore, it is not the story and setting that are factors but how they are conveyed. Congratulations, you're still an idiot.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:10:32 2015 No.7268116

>>7268099
Don't say something unless you know why you said it is generally my philosophy

>>7268103
Be sure to pick up a USSR and RU flag from amazon and tell everyone how Russian lit is the most profound and resonating despite you only reading (probably wiki articles) Tolstoy and Dostoevsky.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:24:49 2015 No.7268145

>>7267210
>The idea of a literary cannon makes no sense anymore, as it is based in narratives of everlasting relevance that are out of place in a world were everything is ephemeral by design. Neither the does the concept of objective literary value.

>The cannon texts are not revered because any inherent qualities, but because they were a reference point for future works. If the works of John Green and other YA authors were the only books to survive a civilization-ending catastrophe, they would end up as the basis of the next civilization, universally acclaimed as masterpieces because there would be nothing to compare them to.

>Starting with the greeks is a meme. our civilization probably cranks out more text in one day than theirs did in a thousand years. the network of memes and pop-culture references that permeate everything is probably much more complex than the whole western tradition.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:26:28 2015 No.7268147 >>7267220 Eh I think 5 or 6 is good enough as long as they're English, French, German, Classical Chinese, Latin, and Greek fun extras would be a Gaelic language of some sort, Persian, Japanese, Italian, Provençal, Sanskrit, Spanish

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:28:38 2015 No.7268154 >>7268147 I bet you only speak 1 language or two at most, this of course being your second language

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:29:42 2015 No.7268158 >>7268147 >Latin, Chinese, and Greek over Spanish lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:37:41 2015 No.7268178 >>7268113 you've never studied art history, have you? Because it shows.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:37:58 2015 No.7268181

Feminism and Social Justice being at the forefront of the humanities and modern cultural studies is important.

People who angrily react to 'le SJWs' and social justice movements are just confused undergrads who get all their information from reddit and 4chan

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:39:24 2015 No.7268183 >>7268181 That's not an opinion Those are facts

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:39:34 2015 No.7268185 >>7268181 Nice bait

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:40:44 2015 No.7268187 >>7268185 How is that bait? What is actually wrong with social justice black lives matter and 3rd wave feminism?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:45:21 2015 No.7268198 >>7268145 this tbh

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:46:22 2015 No.7268201 >>7268181 >>7268183

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:47:17 2015 No.7268203 >>7268187 They're moronic fucking oversimplifications, and executed fucking awfully to boot.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:48:20 2015 No.7268205

>>7268181
agree. y'all who say you want an 'apolitical' 'unbiased' study of the humanities ignoring the fact that all the whole system was built around male/white/upperclass interests. Feminist and racialized critique is actually necessary for it to approach anything even resembling neutrality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:48:41 2015 No.7268209 >>7268203 As are any social reform movements You seriously cannot expect every Joe Schmoe protesting for the rights of negros to actually have read widely on the theories of oppression systems that actually underline the movement, do you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:49:24 2015 No.7268211 >>7267323 /thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:49:35 2015 No.7268212 File: 28 KB, 487x507, you.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7268181 >>7268183 >>7268187 >>7268201 >>7268205 >>7268209

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:50:02 2015 No.7268216 >>7267323 THis is true, but the right are wrong about pretty much everything also

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:50:35 2015 No.7268217 >>7268187 >these are the kind of people you're posting with

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:51:40 2015 No.7268219 >>7268212 >posts reaction image Smh /pol/lack

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:52:14 2015 No.7268220 >>7268219 >triggered

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:52:47 2015 No.7268222 >>7268220 >triggered

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:53:41 2015 No.7268225 Moderns are so numbed to the miracle of existence they think anyone who isn't a dead inside faggot poser like them is 'spooked', out of touch, or seduced by ideology. Fuck post-structuralism

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:53:52 2015 No.7268226 >>7268212 lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:54:45 2015 No.7268228 >>7268222 >[triggering intensifies]

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:55:09 2015 No.7268231 >>7268222 >>7268220 >>7268220 >>7268219 Can you all just fuck off with your autistic identity politics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:56:18 2015 No.7268235 >>7268203 3rd wave fixes the oversimplifications of 2nd wave. and both are executed pretty well considering their success.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:57:19 2015 No.7268236 >>7268231 is autistic commie politics only allowed?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:57:47 2015 No.7268237 >>7268231 not when people post retarded shit like >>7268187

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:58:07 2015 No.7268238 >>7267210 Reading is mostly a waste of time but I read anyways

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:58:40 2015 No.7268239 >>7268236 >commie They have internet at the old people's home?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:59:01 2015 No.7268240 >>7267235 False, that's japanese t. son of a japanese professor

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 12:59:55 2015 No.7268244 >>7268203 >they are retarded and stupid and oversimplified! >why? >BECAUSE I SAID SO FUCKING CUCK SJW NIGGER LOVER FEMINAZI FAGGOT

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:00:20 2015 No.7268245

>>7267235
You know, after WW2 there was no proper widespread lingua franca
For diplomatic reasons, people created the language esperanto, which was supposed to be easy to learn, understand by those who don't actually speak it, and for the most part culturally neutral
unfortunately, they didn't work fast enough, so while they were working on this, the english language became more common tongue, and it was already too late

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:01:02 2015 No.7268249 >>7268238 what isn't a waste of time? >>7268244 [triggered]

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:01:34 2015 No.7268252 >>7268238 ia. i've got nothing better going tbh

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:02:00 2015 No.7268255 >>7268147 >Chinese and German over Cervantes and Dante Disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:02:35 2015 No.7268256 >>7268239 SJW faggot detected

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:03:22 2015 No.7268260

>>7268113
Let me explain something to you. Art, regardless of type is most important in context with the time that it was created. What's new and forbidden. Why do you think Frankenstein is such a cultural cornerstone? Because a girl wrote it? Because the prose is so unbelievable? Get over yourself, it's because of the story. Because Science fiction had hardly ever been done before. Because it was new.
Journey to the Center of the Earth? Story.
Story is as vital to a literary artwork as prose. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, so step back before you embarrass yourself further.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:03:54 2015 No.7268262 >>7268249 [triggered] >>7268256 [triggered]

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:06:21 2015 No.7268266

>>7268244
This is exactly my point. You're infinitely better at making shit arguments for other people than you are making arguments to defend your own cause. It's beyond dumb. You've horribly mangled my original point, and then put some autistic racism/misogyny or whatever into my mouth for no reason whatsoever. You've made so many retarded assumptions about the kind of person I am, and all you've done is make yourself look like a gibbering fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:06:23 2015 No.7268267 >>7268262 [triggering [triggered] intensifies]

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:07:15 2015 No.7268268

Great art depends on great subject matter. Even if the subject isn't great, it needs to be made great by the art.

So poems like e.e. cummings' famous poem about the plumbs, for instance, are worthless, even though they might sound funny or something similar.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:10:33 2015 No.7268274 >>7268266 >telling the truth >"made yourself look like a gibbering fucking retard" lol, okay buddy Then where's that persuasive argument of yours about the "fucking stupidity" of third wave feminism?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:10:36 2015 No.7268275 >>7268266 >racism/misogyny stop fucking posting bitch faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:13:22 2015 No.7268281 >>7268274 >"fucking stupidity" Again, not something I said. >>7268275 You're pretty stupid too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:13:24 2015 No.7268282 >>7268266 triggered you had no point. you gave vague generalizations without any examples.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:17:02 2015 No.7268284 >>7268281 You know what, you're right, you said they were "moronic fucking oversimplifications, and executed fucking awfully to boot." Now pony up that argument for why that's true chief. Hint: generalizations and muh feelings don't count

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:21:51 2015 No.7268298 Anyone who actually believes 1984, or Farenheit 451 is ever going to be reality, is dumb

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:24:31 2015 No.7268305 >>7268282 >>7268284 rekt

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:25:43 2015 No.7268311 >>7267210 Capitalism is good

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:27:15 2015 No.7268314 >>7267210 I voice it by hiding shit threads like these.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:27:50 2015 No.7268318 >>7268314 And telling everyone about it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:34:05 2015 No.7268337 >>7267682 "Book of strange new things" by Michael Faber and "The fifth head of cerberus" by Gene Wolfe are books I have read recently and I think they had non-stereotypical SF characterization.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 13:54:03 2015 No.7268396 >>7267431 I miss Foucault the tripfag

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 14:33:24 2015 No.7268513 Schoolgirl by Dazai is a good book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 14:36:35 2015 No.7268525 Free-verse is shit tier

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 14:52:00 2015 No.7268584 >>7268147 >Gaelic, Provençal, and Spanish over Sanskrit

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 14:55:55 2015 No.7268600 Kurt Vonnegut is a fantastic author

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 15:28:56 2015 No.7268761 >>7268268 Uh I think the poem you're thinking of was written by William Carlos Williams, not cummings

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 15:30:33 2015 No.7268767 The philosophy and literature sections of Reddit has a less delusional and generally better character than /lit/

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 15:37:50 2015 No.7268805 >>7267903 Ironically, the Hungarians were Asiatic barbarians who raped and pillaged Europe for 100 years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 15:40:17 2015 No.7268816 >>7268805 basically everyone were barbarians in Europe after the roman empire collapsed also Hungary was completely wiped and repopulated twice from 1000 to 2000, and the language has changed significantly as well

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 15:45:03 2015 No.7268837 >>7267210 I think it actually is a good advice to Start with the Greeks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:04:51 2015 No.7268906 >>7267210 It would be cool if latin was still studied and considered with moree regard by people. In my school we studied it with the feet. Same goes for greek.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:09:21 2015 No.7268926

>>7268145
Where to begin with this one.

>The idea of a literary cannon makes no sense anymore, as it is based in narratives of everlasting relevance that are out of place in a world were everything is ephemeral by design. Neither the does the concept of objective literary value.

In the context of western society, we can clearly see evidence of the everlasting relevance of these works. Plato, Sophocles, Aristotle etc, have been widely read, referenced, and celebrated by the people who read them for two thousand years. If this quote means to say that they're ephemeral in the sense that existence and entropy will eventually make these names forgotten, then it still doesn't hold up. We will all die, and for us the existence of everything will be wiped away. This doesn't make Plato any less important to the development of western culture, and as long as there is a western culture he will have the place in the pantheon due to his impact.

>The cannon texts are not revered because any inherent qualities, but because they were a reference point for future works. If the works of John Green and other YA authors were the only books to survive a civilization-ending catastrophe, they would end up as the basis of the next civilization, universally acclaimed as masterpieces because there would be nothing to compare them to.

This depends entirely on what you mean by the word "inherent". If this is to say that ultimately any value given to a work is subjective, then you're correct. However, if we make value judgments on the elements of what makes good literature, then grade all other literature by that criteria, we can form an inter-subjective consensus on what qualifies for good literature. In our world, John Green isn't it, and he's never going to be. If he were the basis of another civilizations literature, sure he'd be considered great, but that's only for lack of options. It has nothing to do with how we should view literature in our own society. 1/2

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:15:13 2015 No.7268948

>>7268926
>>7268145
>Starting with the greeks is a meme. our civilization probably cranks out more text in one day than theirs did in a thousand years. the network of memes and pop-culture references that permeate everything is probably much more complex than the whole western tradition.

Starting with the greeks is good advice because they are the bedrock of the western literary tradition, and the quantitative differences between how much we create doesn't say anything about their value. We pump out more text in a day than the entirerty of ancient civilization, sure, but is that text of any value in the development of future literature? Not really, only some of it, a great minority in fact. What we've inherited from the greeks is that tiny fraction of valuable information, the rest lost to time. It's been preserved for us by those in the past who found value in it in, and it finds it's way to us today because of the tastes of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people long dead. People who thought this shit was valuable, so it was spread so far across the western world that it survived numerous civilization-wide catastrophes. It's our heritage, our history, our guiding light. We should take care of it. 2/2

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:17:12 2015 No.7268957

>>7268147
>Classical Chinese
Drop that for Italian. Let's not play the game of adding non-Europeans for the charity of it, let's be real and considerate of actual influence and magnitude of such and such literature. First non-European option should be Ancient Hebrew if anything.

Deus vult dies irae EUROPA UNIVERSALIS :^)

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:24:32 2015 No.7268986

>>7268957
>let's be real and considerate of actual influence and magnitude of such and such literature
How did classical Chinese not have a huge influence on the world being that things like Confucianism/Buddhism were spread through it and others borrowed linguistically from it?

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:31:00 2015 No.7269014

>>7268178
>>7268260
Pieces of art, regardless of their purpose, message, plot, have always been an appeal to the senses, and something that is not perceived could not be considered art. It is the core trait of all art; art could not do without it. The same could not be said about story or setting because it is not required--just an additive. And I'm not saying that stories and settings can't be well-thought-out or smart or entertaining, but they themselves are not art. It doesn't matter if people like them or if they are amazing: unless we stop defining things by their most basic traits and commonalities, story and setting don't qualify as art.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:32:09 2015 No.7269017 >>7268986 Occident won. That reduces pretty much rest of the great civilizations to mere novelties and living histories.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:33:44 2015 No.7269025

>>7268187
Some gripes with feminism and black lives matter:

Black lives matter is belligerence. See: the Sanders incident. Seems to me to be a bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Feminists arbitrarily promote reading female authors for the sake of equality when there are simply more good male authors. Go to any university, it's there. There's that thread everyday with that woman who gives that challenge not to read any white male authors. It looks like they want white males to apologize for writing the best literature.

The fuel of both, and perhaps the spark, is ressentiment.

Perhaps blacks and women are victims. But the victim complexes manifest in many supporters of both movements are nauseating.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:34:14 2015 No.7269029 >>7269014 Which one is better? Gertrude Stein's Tender Buttons or Hamlet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:38:43 2015 No.7269052 There's no need to start with the Greeks. You can start with Hegel, if you want and still get it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:42:01 2015 No.7269067 >>7269029 I haven't read either, so I don't make any claims towards or against them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:52:17 2015 No.7269116 Hitler did nuffin wrong

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 16:53:10 2015 No.7269123 >>7269116 According to Netanyahu this is accurate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 17:09:44 2015 No.7269242 >>7269067 >Commenting on art. >Hasn't read Hamlet It's not that long - treat yourself to it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 18:37:58 2015 No.7269792 >>7269014 >Story doesn't qualify as art >honestly believes this.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 18:42:05 2015 No.7269813 [DELETED]

>>7267983
I like how you call me a dumbfuck, but spend the next two and a half paragraphs responding to the one sentence I used to answer your specific proposed situation

>Also, I never proposed a marxist histiography you dumb motherfucker.
>Current ethno-religious conflicts, while sometimes ancient in origin, are much more related to nationalism (this does not mean patriotism, learn what it means) and bureaucratic style colonial imperialism, both recent and western models

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 18:44:41 2015 No.7269830 Burroughs > Pynchon

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 18:48:06 2015 No.7269849 I hate all the fascist, racist shit on here. Evola, the uncritical Nietzsche fans, eternally flogging MUH GREEKS as the beginning and end of wisdom. Fuck it all. Communism will win. I'll see you all in hell

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 18:55:09 2015 No.7269901 Osamu Dazai is overrated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 18:56:50 2015 No.7269906 I hate reading philosophy. It's the only thing lit likes to talk about and I hate it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 18:57:28 2015 No.7269909 Hegel is the worst thing to happen to human thought since the Bible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 19:47:13 2015 No.7270072 >>7269025 The protesters that interrupted Bernie were working for Hillary, they don't actually represent the movement. Most of BLM supports Bernie tbh. Agree with your points on feminism though

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 19:56:00 2015 No.7270103 File: 556 KB, 966x660, futuro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7267210 Literature is on the way out and it's not a bad thing.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 19:58:38 2015 No.7270112

>>7270103
Yeah, I can't wait for people to ditch the arts and aspire to becoming wageslaves, dreaming of nothing more than buy another piece of shit they don't really want or need, but desperately hope against hope that it will fill the gnawing void inside of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:06:06 2015 No.7270144 >>7270112 >linear narrative text on paper constitutes the entirety of 'the arts' the novel died somewhere in the 20th century m8, get to terms with it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:07:36 2015 No.7270150 >>7270144 >the novel died What? How? When? Where?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:08:00 2015 No.7270155 >>7270112 But there will be no work... Also, art doesn't fill that void either.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:09:54 2015 No.7270164

>>7270155
Maybe if you're consuming it for the express purpose of filling a void, instead of approaching it on it's own terms. My quality of life has increased exponentially since I started to read the classics.

>there will be no work

Yeah, nice pipe dream.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:10:01 2015 No.7270166 >>7270150 It's not a sudden death, more of a slowly fading away.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:10:52 2015 No.7270167 >>7270164 It's not a pipe dream but a nightmare.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:11:23 2015 No.7270168 >>7270164 He's right, there will barely be any work. This is not a controversial statement, it's an inevitability.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:12:10 2015 No.7270173

>>7270166
In what fashion? More people are buying novels than ever. Even if they're reading shit (which is what the proles have always done) they're still reading it, and they're reading a lot of it. Are you referring to aesthetics or something?

>>7270167
>>7270168
How do you mean?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:12:43 2015 No.7270178 >>7270164 My dad read the classics for a living. He doesn't make a living.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:13:42 2015 No.7270184 >>7270178 Okay?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:18:51 2015 No.7270208 >>7270173 >How do you mean? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:21:23 2015 No.7270218 >>7270208 Doesn't sound like a nightmare. Correctly utilized, it sounds like utopia. Unless you derive meaning from life strictly from utility, then you're right fucked.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:22:40 2015 No.7270224

>>7270173
>In what fashion? More people are buying novels than ever. Even if they're reading shit (which is what the proles have always done) they're still reading it, and they're reading a lot of it.
People are buying more everything than ever though. They're also not reading a lot compared to consumption of other media.

>Are you referring to aesthetics or something?
I was mostly referring to the cultural significance of literary fiction as an art form. It's barely a valid method to get your memes out there any more and surpassed by other media.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:23:43 2015 No.7270230 >>7270218 Sounds great to me as well, just wanted to show that it's not a 'pipe dream' but very much a realistic future.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:27:47 2015 No.7270251

>>7270224
Depends on how we look at things, many of the best films, for example, were directly inspired by or adaptations of a novel. The Godfather, Apocalypse Now, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Rashomon, and far more that I have neither time nor inclination to name. How can it fade from the culture if the culture is directly influenced by it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:29:20 2015 No.7270258 Houellebecq is the best author of the 21st century

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:29:26 2015 No.7270259 >>7270230 Thanks for sharing, it was pretty interesting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:30:51 2015 No.7270263 I've read through each post and they are literally all incorrect. Challenge me if you like

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:32:47 2015 No.7270270 >>7270263 Give us a direct refutation of each please, wouldn't want to take you at your word now, would we?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:34:17 2015 No.7270274 >>7270270 no, but i can't be bothered writing that much so tell me the post you want me to refute

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:35:51 2015 No.7270281 >>7270274 These: >>7270103 >>7270112 >>7270155 >>7270164 >>7269906 >>7269901 >>7269849 >>7269830 >>7269116

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:39:34 2015 No.7270291 >>7270281 half of these are replies you mug

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:40:26 2015 No.7270293 File: 148 KB, 495x386, 1367764052587.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Freud was a hack, Aristotle was a hack, Nietzsche was a hack, Burroughs was a hack, Kerouac was pretty good

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:41:40 2015 No.7270300 >>7270291 You said you read every post and could refute it, replies are posts, are they not?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:44:19 2015 No.7270310 >>7270300 replies are replies posts are posts you dumb cunt

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:45:39 2015 No.7270316 >>7270310 Confirmed for retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:47:56 2015 No.7270323 >>7270316 keep digging your hole tard

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:48:56 2015 No.7270328 >>7270251 I'd say novels increasingly being only relevant as film adaptations that is an indication of the fade.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:49:08 2015 No.7270329 paperbacks are for plebs if you're not sure about a book, take it out from the library if you want your own permanent copy, get a hardcover

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:51:33 2015 No.7270342 >>7270328 It's not the only way in which they're relevant, they effect pretty much every other form of entertainment, and are themselves still popular to read. I'm failing to see how they're fading away.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:52:11 2015 No.7270344 >>7268805 >Asiatic Uralic, brah. Still European.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:55:03 2015 No.7270354 File: 1.28 MB, 2056x1371, fanboy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Some light novels are ok. (Remains of those weeaboo days ten years ago, beautiful memories tbh)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:55:56 2015 No.7270358 >>7270329 hardcovers are typically upwards of thirty bucks a pop, fuck that. Yeah, I'd like to own Tiberius in hardcover, but I'm not paying 96 bucks. Especially not to impress some fucktard on a guatemalan image board

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:57:07 2015 No.7270362 >>7270354 >tfw no haruhi season 3 after the infinite 8 how could they do this to me?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 20:59:24 2015 No.7270372 >>7270362 >the infinite 8 oh man. you made me remember. that was eternal. some good memories from the weaboo days...

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:01:07 2015 No.7270378 >>7270372 at least we got the movie. that was pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:04:58 2015 No.7270389 >>7270354 Does Welcome to the NHK have literary value?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:05:45 2015 No.7270393 >>7270372 Infinite 8 was alright in the novel. The anime fucked it up.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:35:08 2015 No.7270534

>>7267316
tbh this is pretty true

Smart people know that we are all completely clueless and possess zero data in the form of logical atoms or other forms. This means that a person can only have a baseless account of reality, so any attempt to verify your own claim against another person's is to fail.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:40:51 2015 No.7270567 Bloom will be forgotten quicker than Edmund Wilson.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:45:46 2015 No.7270594 >>7270534 >Smart people know that it is impossible to know if we are completely clueless or if there are, in fact, objective truths ftfy If you're not an absurdist, you are doing it wrong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:46:51 2015 No.7270602 >>7269017 Wow literally being that closed minded

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:50:13 2015 No.7270623 >>7270150 >How? With the invention of invisible style

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:51:44 2015 No.7270635 >>7270144 >the novel died somewhere in the 20th century m8, get to terms with it. The short story is even deader than that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:52:52 2015 No.7270642 AAAAAAHHHHHHGHGHGHGGHG I'M IN SUCH UNFATHOMABLE DESPAIR SOMEONE HELP ME!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:54:39 2015 No.7270651 >>7270642 Everyone who reads literature feels that. That's a feature.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 21:57:07 2015 No.7270669 >>7267316 and people who believe themselves better for being unpretentious and pseudo-ironically embrace pop culture are also quite annoying tbh

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 22:05:57 2015 No.7270707

>>7267316

Disagree. I think elitism in a field that you're passionate about is fine, but to let that elitism bleed over into your character and daily interactions with people is unacceptable.

But elitism in your reading isn't necessarily a bad thing within itself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 22:10:53 2015 No.7270731 >>7270707 The problem with elitism in reading is that it can prevent you from discovering books are are good that you wouldn't have considered if you didn't give it a chance.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 22:11:56 2015 No.7270733 >>7267963 Latin: Ovid, Virgil, Horace, Catullus

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 22:12:39 2015 No.7270738

>>7268926
That's were we differ, I don't think 'western civilisation' as commonly understood really exists anymore, it was probably one of the entities that converged to give rise to the current state of things, but whatever remains of it has been transformed beyond recognition. The concept of culture depends on socioeconomic structures and the media through which it is disseminated. For example the concept of culture as we know it today probably took its current form in the late 19th and early 20th centuries as a product of modernism. We are going through a similar if even more radical transformation. All of the products of Western Civilization
have been incorporated as nodes in an all-encompassing network of reference. Hence, there is no 'culture' anymore, no single narrative of relevance.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 22:23:07 2015 No.7270781 >>7270731 Elitism is going to be far more beneficial to the intellectual growth of a reader than the lackadaisical approach of the common reader. The latter never try to challenge themselves.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 22:29:39 2015 No.7270804 [DELETED]

>>7270707
Wrong, Wrong, alla wrong. elitism in NYTHING is fuckinmg detrimental to your character and peasonality. god,a go back to your community zcaollege introsduction to the lsiberal arts csourse you fuckxing mongxrel. go dhad a bit atoo much to drisnk tonightw. gonna call it a night

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 22:32:51 2015 No.7270818 >>7270804 Sleep it off, spergtits. Everything will be fine in the morning.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 22:34:58 2015 No.7270826 File: 52 KB, 179x185, 1445567698435.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7270818 [spergitis]

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 22:36:08 2015 No.7270832

>>7270738
I don't believe that culture was ever a singular narrative or relevance, there's always been debate about what mattered and what was important, but it took place within the context of the canon. We knew there was a set of valuable works that were the basis, the problem was figuring out which ones were in it.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 22:56:05 2015 No.7270909

>>7270781
The former have no courage. You'll have deprived yourself of significant books in the time they were written only to wait for peer pressure to tell you to read them after the dust settled and missed out on its cultural context because you lived in a bubble.

Anonymous Thu Oct 22 23:10:00 2015 No.7270968

>>7270909

>You'll have deprived yourself of significant books

lol?

Do you really think that the average prole who never challenges themselves are ever going to read those "significant books" if they are even the least bit challenging?

Come off it, m8.

The important contemporary works will always be regarded by the literati before the common reader. Because they are actively and continually searching it out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 22 23:47:33 2015 No.7271092 >>7270968 >The important contemporary works will always be regarded by the literati before the common reader. Wrong. They are only regarded by the literati of the NEXT generation who overtake of dismissive attitudes of the old guard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 00:05:23 2015 No.7271179 >>7271092 The bedrock of your entire point is still faulted logic. How are common readers ever going to be reading difficult contemporary works of significance if they never read difficult works across the board? Think, anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 00:12:06 2015 No.7271196 >>7271179 It's not faulted. Otherwise literary reassessment would not exist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 00:27:42 2015 No.7271250 >>7270733 >Latin It's sounds like garbbled hillbilly backwoods bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 00:29:30 2015 No.7271257 >>7267290 Have you read Dubliners yet? I find normal situations are easier to stomach and make profound in short story form versus a novel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 00:31:30 2015 No.7271262 File: 109 KB, 640x640, fddsdf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Even though I like reading novels, if you mostly read those and not studies on history, philosophy and the sort, you're a pleb.

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 00:32:46 2015 No.7271264

McCarthy is what you get when you mix the lack of education with ignorant readers.

A hack author who can't write for shit who's only magic comes from his own illiteracy praised by absolute fucking retards as poetic and prose only because there is nothing there that is either.

Also, he takes a bunch of edgy gore bullshit and throw throws it in to keep the simple minded entertained so they don't come to the conclusion that his writing is in fact shit.

There is no style, only the lack of knowledge in his writing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 00:32:48 2015 No.7271265 Maimonides is the most worthwhile theologian out there

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 00:33:04 2015 No.7271269

>>7268298
F451 was pretty right about man's dependency on interactive media taking away his desire to read. His fear of the brainlessness of tv viewing was the bigger point he was making, despite most of us being more interested in the censorship aspects of the book. Also the censorship is essentially appeasing SJW and general PC'ness which are pretty true now as well.

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 00:37:13 2015 No.7271275
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>>7270354
I love the Twelve Kingdoms (Juuni Kokki) books. Exceptionally straight-forward translations (no idea about in Japanese), but the world-building is great in the series. I've had to read fan translations online since Tokyopop is a bitch and stopped around vol 4.

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:00:00 2015 No.7271323

My unpopular opinion? Socialism and communism are incontrovertibly superior systems and only the foolish or ignorant would actually reject it.

>>7267323
>I'm delusional.
Fuck Stirnerites, though.

>>7267431
Communists and other radical Leftists don't blame EVERY ethnoreligious massacre in the third world on global capitalism, but a lot of it was. Many heinous crimes against humanity could be traced back to capitalism as the cause, either directly or indirectly: Adolf Hitler (corporatist capitalism), Joseph Stalin (state capitalism), Augusto Pinochet (free market capitalism), Leopold II of Belgium (exploitation and imperialism caused by capitalism), Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi (US imperialism and capitalism), etc.

Extremism has existed for millennia, but capitalism has been used as a vehicle for its perpetuation. This was the case for feudalism, monarchism, and all other systems wherein exploitation and coercion are integral components of that system. What differentiates socialism and communism from these systems is that exploitation and coercion are antiquated as unnecessary and ethical features of society. Class and the state is abolished, as is capitalism and currency. As a result, society is no longer subjected to the conditions that cause massacres, genocides, and warfare.

>Their hands are tied because society has left them unemployed and feeling emasculated. So ethno-religious extremism is unique to modernity and merely a reaction to capitalism and the first world's way of life.
And capitalism perpetuates this inequality by causing unemployment and emasculation. Capitalism is what allows global inequality to persist. It is therefore the fault of capitalism—and, more generally, any and all exploitative and coercive systems—that these people suffer. Ethnoreligious extremism isn't necessarily unique to modernity, though, unless you better define it. Ethnoreligious extremism has existed for centuries and typically occurs whenever one civilization engages in imperialism and imposes itself on another, less developed civilization. The response is extremism and violence as the less developed civilization believes its values and lifestyles are threatened by these foreign invaders. This has occurred ever since the existence of empires, going back all the way to the ancient Greeks, Persians, and Romans.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:36:47 2015 No.7271401 >>7268245 >culturally neutral the famous humanist fantasy full of sterility

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:37:12 2015 No.7271403 >>7268147 >Greek L O L O L I speak/read English and Spanish, aim to master French and possibly German/Japanese as well. Dead languages are wholly unnecessary at this point.

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:38:24 2015 No.7271405

Worthwhile: homer, plato, virgil, the bible, dante, chaucer, montaigne, cervantes, shakespeare, goethe, kierkegaard, tolstoy, dostoevsky, nietzsche, emerson.... Melville borderline.

Delightful and accomplished but ultimately a waste of time: defoe, fielding, richardson, austen, dickens, proust, joyce, pynchon etc etc etc etc

not a complete list on either side but you get the point i think.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:44:22 2015 No.7271420 Most philosophy is pretentious, masturbatory garbage. It's just some asshole talking nonsense thinking "whoa this is so deep, bro."

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:45:28 2015 No.7271423

Philosophy has no place or application in modern society.
I mean sure we can look take a swing at politics, MAYBE, but all the nihilism and existentialism in the world isn't gonna do jack shit to help with oyster overharvesting, the political situation in North Korea or the future of the internet in American politics.

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:47:03 2015 No.7271426

>>7267210

Many of the so-called classics terrible. They are tangled masses of purple prose and pretension and their "quality" is based more on the opinions and values of rich and successful then on the depth of meaning, mastery of language or storytelling ability. This isn't exclusive to literature either. I've honestly found more of all those qualities in works of pop culture than works of high culture.

Joyce is far and away the worst of this in every respect. His characters are dull, there are puddles deeper than his books, and his writing style is basically just him stroking his dick into a purple silk sock and imagining it's his ego. Every single word is laboriously chosen to make the whole thing as unreadable as possible, as if he thinks meaning comes from looking for obscure synonyms in the dictionary rather than actually thinking and experiencing and translating complex ideas into clear and clever phrases

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:47:56 2015 No.7271427 >>7271423 I agree, the only useless philosophy is rooted in real world issues, like the philosoohy of abortion, or global warming. Everything else is retarded

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:53:44 2015 No.7271435 >>7271420 This. Also: /lit/'s beloved sacred cows (Joyce, Pynchon, DFW, etc) are tedious crap that pretentious young English majors read to impress each other. Stoner is sentimental garbage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:54:44 2015 No.7271438 Europe has to become Christian again because you can't fight religion(Islam) with secular means.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:57:03 2015 No.7271443 Westerners adopting Buddhism or any Eastern religion/school of thought is pretty sad tbh.we have such great Ancient Western schools of thought.

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 01:57:05 2015 No.7271444

Actually, since lots of people are saying philosophy is a waste of time -- if you mean the hermetic, involuted stuff, i agree -- but besides like twenty big names in literature i think philosophy is all you should read. Almost every novel ever written is a waste of time. Frivolous. exceptions are few: tolstoy's stories and dostoevsky, the best of faulkner, cormac mccarthy. Anything thats too secular and earthbound, thats not about god and death, i dont consider literature

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 02:06:20 2015 No.7271464

>>7271420
>I'm an anti-intellectual jackass that finds philosophy intimidating because it requires the rigorous exercise of one's intellect at levels far past what I'm interested in doing.
Your experience with philosophy is probably limited to /lit/. Study actual philosophy. Then, you might be qualified to criticize philosophy.

>>7271423
Ever heard of applied philosophy? Philosophy is useful because it could be applied at helping us better understand the world and how to improve it. For example, there are currently many projects to develop self-driving vehicles, but many engineers are struggling with how to program the AI's ethical system. This is most commonly expressed in a version of the trolley problem, where the driverless car has to make a decision of which person to kill in order to minimize the suffering of the accident and ensure the most ethical outcome. As a result, many have taken to hiring ethicists and moral philosophers from Stanford and elsewhere to help figure this out. Similar issues are being encountered when programming and developing artificial intelligence to have ethical systems that govern and limit their actions.

A few seconds of googling:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150615124719.htm

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/10/the-ethics-of-autonomous-cars/280360/

https://medium.com/@tanayj/self-driving-cars-and-the-trolley-problem-5363b86cb82d#.ujk52m1w8

If you seriously believe philosophy has no place in modern society, then you clearly have no place in discussing philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 02:09:33 2015 No.7271471 File: 686 KB, 480x473, 1415153635216.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How's your beard coming along?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 02:51:10 2015 No.7271572 >>7271464 You know what? I like you. Not only did you place a point against my argument but you also cited examples and sources against it. Regardless of my stance, you just made half of 4chan look like shit, and all of /pol/ look like ass.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 09:16:23 2015 No.7272238 the judge[/spoilers] did nothing wrong

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 09:22:57 2015 No.7272251 >>7271444 >about god fuck off christ cry abby he died, Have you read Nietchee?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 09:23:07 2015 No.7272253 >>7267228 explain? I had to read Lacan for my MA and it felt like rehashed Freaudian bullshit, what's so good about it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 09:25:47 2015 No.7272258 >>7267312 you're totally right. There are a few fanfics that have become good enough to be fanfics... >Fifty Shades of Twilight /s

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 09:27:01 2015 No.7272261 Kafka is nothing special, it's just pretty prose and pretty weird shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 09:30:03 2015 No.7272272 >>7271444 Yeah. Lets be honest, most phil literiture is exactly the language games that Wittegenstein talked about being akin to whacking off to

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 09:51:47 2015 No.7272323 >>7267220 This, a translation is just an imitation of the original work. You could say it's not even the same book by the same author because it's not written in that author's own words.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 10:07:07 2015 No.7272352 >>7272261 Have you read him in German? And his prose is not "pretty" at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 10:12:40 2015 No.7272367 >>7271438 Yes you can, because otherwise Europe would still be christian. But how is this literature? Fuck off back to /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 10:16:50 2015 No.7272378 >>7271444 time enjoyed wasting is not wasted time

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 10:18:46 2015 No.7272380 >>7272352 nope, I can only read english. Is the german any better? I guess I liked the way he went beyond the language I was used to. That's what I mean by pretty prose; pretty or strikingly different

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 10:21:42 2015 No.7272390 >>7272380 Kafka uses german syntax basically to its full extent. It is not really translatable into english, since english is so rigid. That's why many people think Kafka is "nothing special", they read translations.

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 10:30:12 2015 No.7272410

>>7267431
This is a false equivalency. While there is evidence for fascist, Nazi, and capitalist massacres (the Holocaust, bombings of Cambodia, Vietnam, Korea, the 1st and 2nd World Wars, the Iraq-Afghanistan War etc.), there remains no solid evidence for things like Holodomor (which can be traced back to yellow journalism funded by capitalist interests). While famines in socialist countries are exaggerated and depicted as an error innate in the system or somehow caused by the system (socialism), famines in capitalist countries (Ethiopia, Somalia, South Korea, Haiti, etc.) are not blamed on capitalism by capitalists even if all evidence points to capitalism being to blame.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 10:32:41 2015 No.7272418 >>7271323 >Joseph Stalin (state capitalism) wat

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 10:36:04 2015 No.7272423 >>7271423 The political situation in North Korea? Which is? And well, Juche and Marxism-Leninism are major parts of the nation's political philosophy. The application of philosophy in society continues to this day, often unconsciously.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 10:41:31 2015 No.7272435 >>7267226 >The beauty of engineer is not in how much you can put in but how much you can take away. An ordinary mind on an ordinary day is vastly more interesting than the events on some buttfuck-non-existent-bullshit-cliche-planet-from-sector-Xb12

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 10:49:00 2015 No.7272459 >>7270112 religion will fill the void :^)

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 11:35:45 2015 No.7272620

>>7268181
>>7268205

I would add to this that liberal feminism is basically correct, and the anti-feminist "movement" consists of so much sexism, harassment and general douchebaggery that they basically prove the necessity of social justice. Online reactionaries generally have studied nothing about actual feminism besides memes, fabricated hashtags and cherry picked quotes from 1970s radfems which are generally maligned by modern feminism anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 11:44:19 2015 No.7272652 >>7271264 You must be bad at science.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 11:47:25 2015 No.7272661 >>7272418 >listening to shitposting communists You had it coming, friend.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 11:49:32 2015 No.7272671 File: 86 KB, 500x793, bye bye trotsky-kun.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7271323 >Joseph Stalin (state capitalism) Everything else is right, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 11:56:51 2015 No.7272690 >>7267316 Confirmed for pleb

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 12:05:32 2015 No.7272709 File: 386 KB, 634x618, 1439669421239.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7268147 >no Russian because hurr durr look at me being a cretin

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 12:34:28 2015 No.7272776

>>7272418
>>7272671
Stalin did engage in state capitalism; however, I do admit that describing it as state capitalism doesn't fully capture Stalin's USSR, since it was a bit of its own unique—albeit exploitative and coercive—system. It could be perhaps best described as bureaucratic state collectivism with a planned economy. I call it state capitalism, though, because Stalin's USSR was effectively a state capitalist enterprise.

>>7272661
>implying I'm shitposting
Perhaps you should go back to /pol/ and play in your collective ideological shit if you are getting too triggered by reality.

>>7272410
Holodomor is treated as a historical fact on par with the Holocaust, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that the Holodomor remains unproven. I concur with your sentiments, but I see no reason to accept Holodomor as a reality. That isn't evidence of socialism or communism's evil consequences, however, because a quick reading into the event indicates that the motives were unrelated to socialism or communism and the system within which it occurred was arguably neither. A better damning example of socialism and communism would be Mao's Cultural Revolution, but I would blame that on Mao and not the system he purportedly attempted to establish.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 12:36:35 2015 No.7272781 >>7272776 no reason NOT to accept the Holodomor as a reality*

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 13:24:12 2015 No.7272895
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>don't publish anything for most of undergrad because i assume i need a few years of concerted practice to get my writing chops
>finally start looking at publishing in final year
>go look at all the local short fiction competitions for university and city and even country
>every poem is "i read ee cummings in high school and alSO I'M A WOMAN, WITH A VAGINAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
>every story is either about fart rape, or about teenage ennui on par with a movie inspired by the wikipedia article for catcher in the rye
>literally direct ee cummings ripoff poems except it's about a college girl waking up next to a dude she fucked and remarking that it's only 5:30 and she has to go back to sleep
>look into all speculative fiction publishing competitions nationally and internationally
>it's 90% infiltrated and overrun by I CARE ABOUT ISSUES!!!! shit like limp-wristed feminism and post-post-colonialism
>major traditional awards are either ruined this, or ruined by being split by backlash against this, which just makes the ISSUES!!! people intensify their ISSUES
>look into recent nobel prize winners to see what really captures the contemporary zeitgeist in high literature
>2013 some fat old lady's senile ramblings about old senile ladies
>2014 mbingu ukwonkwe's yams aplenty
>2015 mitsubishi chikibriki's elegy for a tampon salesman
>desperately search for any vestiges of traditional american literature
>all that's left is an empty room that jonathan franzen sometimes visits so he can describe upper middle class suburbia to a wall, and neo-hemingway cowboy schlock for perpetual 21 year old hipsters with man buns
>tfw everyone is special and no one is
>tfw all western men are wieners

Anonymous Fri Oct 23 13:55:11 2015 No.7272976

>>7272895
>people making works of self-expression
>writing poetry about relatable postmodern experiences and feelings associated with one's generation
>competitors write works about relevant philosophical movements (feminism), historical analyses of previous cultural phenomena (postcolonialism), and contemporary exigent issues that matter to the authors
It sounds like you're the pretentious jackass, anon, whose estrangement from his own culture has manifested into a bitterness about the fact that the literature you appreciate for whatever arbitrary reason is no longer in vogue.

Sounds to me like the problem is with you failing to adapt to contemporary culture, not contemporary culture failing to uphold the particular literary predilections you possess.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 23 16:30:21 2015 No.7273562 >>7272895 >Talking shit about Alice Munroe Get off my lawn you little shit.

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