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I'm looking for books that trace the origins and history of the various political ideologies.

>> No.7214650

>>7214622
Let me guess. Hitler would have been too triggering.

>> No.7214660

>>7214650
There is still debate over where fascism lies on the spectrum.

>> No.7214666

>>7214660
Its almost like politics is too complex to be put on a spectrum and the spectrum exists to shepherd us into opposing herds with an "us vs. them" mentality

>> No.7214673

>>7214666
Or because people want to categorize things

>> No.7214680

Start with the greeks
Only US lolbertarians and some neoliberals think the nazis were leftists

>> No.7214685

>>7214660
Can you please elaborate why fascism exactly cant even fit on the spectrum?

>> No.7214687
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7214687

>Pinochet is less to the right than George W. Bush
>>7214680
This tbh. If an ideology claims to be "beyond left and right" then it's obviously part of the reactionary far right.

>> No.7214694

>>7214685
Because it is economically and socially divergent. The nazi economic model was basically centralized

>> No.7214703

Guys

I still need books

pls

>> No.7214704

>>7214694
So was the Pinochet dictatorship.

>> No.7214707

>>7214704
Which is why I suggested they may have omitted Hitler to protect people from being triggered

>> No.7214709
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7214709

>>7214622
This chart is awful and inaccurate.

>> No.7214710

>>7214703
Look man, you don't need books. Books aint gonna tell you how the Jews created all of the political movements just to fuck with the poor innocent white man. What you need my man, is a youtube education.

>> No.7214712

>tfw castro-tier
Lurking for interest, I'm a complete ignorant about politics.

>> No.7214720

>>7214710
THIS, you can learn from youtube. Hell, even Fox and CNN will teach you a lot.

>> No.7214721

>>7214710
Godammit Sam!

>> No.7214724

>>7214710
>>7214721
>>/reddit/

>> No.7214726

>>7214622
just browse tumblr, they're experts on this kind of stuff

>> No.7214727

>>7214687
or it could be any ideology that incorporates a willful and knowing synergy of other extant ideologies in a society.

>> No.7214728

>>7214703
>>7214712
Start with Plato and move forward chronologically. Aristotle, then Cicero, then the Renaissance, Enlightenment, Hegel, ect.

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>>7214710

>> No.7214739

>>7214724
I don't get where reddit comes into this picture

>> No.7214743

>>7214721
Sam? Sam who?

>> No.7214744

>>7214739
reddit.com/r/milliondollarextreme
reddit.com/r/anarchism

>> No.7214764

>>7214622
The game is rigged: no quadrant is free of filth, of one kind or another, save for de Gaulle.

>> No.7215633

>>7214680
I've had some good times laughing at people believing this shit on /int/ and /pol/. It's basically Americans that can't read.

>> No.7215636

>>7214710
>youtube education
Don't forget a lot of images with a little bit of text proving the Hollocaust was a lie.

>> No.7215671

>>7214704
I think by "economic" they meant "cite Marx as a source."

>> No.7215672

>>7214622
It seems you want a quick fix op. Better to read the main protagonists(antagonists) biographies and main texts.

>> No.7215859

Conservatism in America: Making Sense of the American Right - Paul Edward Gottfried

The Southern Tradition : The Achievement and Limitations of an American Conservatism - Eugene Genovese

Leo Strauss and the Conservative Movement in America - Paul E. Gottfried

>> No.7215880

Anything good about psycho-fascist corpro-monarchys?

>> No.7216045

>>7214622
>Ghandi
>libertarian
Pick one.

>> No.7216094
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7216094

OP.

You're looking for

Alan Ryan - On Politics: A History of Political Thought, From Herodotus to the Present

It's in two parts. It's fairly pricey but if you can get your hands on it, it's worth it.

It goes through the major political writers from Ancient Greece to the present day, what brought them to write what they did, how what they wrote was driven by the politics of their day, basically an exposition of the major political writings. It's more of a general history than a specific history

The entire book, both parts, equal ~1100 pages. If you're able to get through it all, you'll easily be able to branch out from there and become more acquainted with the origins of political ideologies and how to search out more info from there.

In addition, you may want to supplement with:

Francis Fukuyama
The Origins of Political Order.

Also in two parts, second part was just recently published. Not perfect, but it will give brief synopses on why certain states "chose", for a lack of a better word, their form of government. It's quite useful.

>> No.7216117

>>7214703

The Politics Book - DK publishing

>> No.7217253

op.

read some foucault.

>> No.7217572

>>7214622
>George W Bush
>authoritarian

Artist confirmed for knowing nothing about American politics.

>> No.7217607

>>7215636
>text

Are you kidding? Why have text when you can just have the Requiem For a Dream theme playing while showing a montage of holocaust related pictures with random things circled to suggest the photos were doctored.

>> No.7217672

Hey OP, here's what you do,
FIRST of all you must be familiar with Hegel before you can read any political texts. To understand Hegel you must at a very minimum read, Plato -> Aristotle -> Descartes -> Kant.
After Hegel you can start reading about politics. Here's the way- Hobbes -> Locke -> Rousseau -> Burke -> Pain -> Proudhon -> Kropotkin -> Marx -> Engels -> Bakunin -> Lenin -> Trotsky

>> No.7217676

>>7217672
Stick it up your ass, fagtron. No one has time for all that nonsense

>> No.7217684

>>7217676
ok

>> No.7217697

>>7217676
just watch fox news and get an explanation about political ideolologies from facebook shares then tbh

>> No.7217704

>>7217697
this tbh fam

>> No.7217734

>>7217672
To understand what the fuck Hegel was trying to say, you'd have to be at least some what well read in more than just

Plato
Aristotle
Descartes
Kant

Also, all of these writers do write political texts, so to say that you must be familiar with Hegel before reading any political texts is hogwash.

But why the emphasis on Hegel?

>> No.7217772

>>7217734
I said at a very minimum, maybe it was too much of a minimum.

The emphasis on Hegel is because you will not even be able to understand Marx, Engels, Bukunin, etc, without an understanding of the terminology which is Hegelian in origin. For a quick example because I have to run, here is a paragraph from the *preface* of Capital Vol 1,

"My dialectic method is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite. To Hegel, the life process of the human brain, i.e., the process of thinking, which, under the name of “the Idea,” he even transforms into an independent subject, is the demiurgos of the real world, and the real world is only the external, phenomenal form of “the Idea.” With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind, and translated into forms of thought. " and so on

Reading Marx without the Hegelian context is just not productive and it pervades after Marx aswell.

>> No.7217789

>>7215633
why is it that yuros always have to comment on how much smarter they feel they are than americans

>> No.7217841

>>7217772
I see.

>> No.7217851

>>7217672
>politics's guide
>not Machiavelli

>> No.7217874

>>7214687
Yeah agreed, you put into words exactly what I have always sorta known about how to explain third method fascism

>> No.7217888

>>7214680
I know a guy once who was a "far right" republican catholic who said hitler was a liberal because he had an authoritarian government. Like I could not get through to him that authoritarian governments weren't exclusively leftist.

He also openly hated black and jewish people so I dont even know why he'd hate hitler. He was essentially neo nazi in all but name

>> No.7217909

>>7214710
Also be sure to save image macros from supposed quotes from the Talmud that are either

A) Fabricated

B) Plagiarised (lol) from the already plagiarised hoax Protocols of the Elder's of Zion

C) Are miracously from the Talmud by taken hilariously out of context

And remember, you are never ever wrong and all contrary evidence provided is jewish propaganda, even when it is undisputed, it is still not true

>> No.7217932

>>7217572
He was certainly Nixon tier with the shady shit and illegal ward but he wasnt a dictator either. Hes indirectly responsible for almost a million something casualties but he didnt absolve any branches of government or with hold democratic process. Really just the shady torture and illegal wars are the worst he's dond which is basicallt what every singld American president has done, even like the "good" ones. America is like chaotic neutral or more likely chaotic evil.

>> No.7217942

>>7217789
Because in most cases they are

t. American

>> No.7217943

>>7217888
Hating niggers and Jews isn't necessarily a neo-Nazi political belief

>> No.7217970

>>7217943
It usually is. There isnt any logical basis in hating either group though.

>> No.7217990

>>7217943
ok buddy:)

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>>7217970
>there isn't any logical basis in hating either group though

>> No.7218562

ahahahahahaha Gandhi is apparently super left libertarian
Try being a Muslim in Gandhi-run India, or belonging to lower caste, or being an industrial worker. Fucking uninformed bullshit.

>> No.7218608

>>7214673
This, don't even get me started on music subgenres...