/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.7205077]

What books are responsible for the climate of racial nihilism in Western nations? The predominant ideology of the West clearly is multiculturalism, multiracialism and cosmopolitanism. Why would the West change from racial segregation and preservation to this liberal ideology?

not a /pol/ack, appreciate the responses

[Anonymous No.7205088]

capitalism requires permeable borders.

[Anonymous No.7205092]

It wouldn't be books, TV and other media would be mostly responsible for that, books would tend just to offer post hoc rationalisation. Perhaps ask at /tv/ or /pol/.

[Anonymous No.7205114]

>>7205092
What's the argument that persuaded those old white guys in power to change their politics?

[Anonymous No.7205121]

>>7205114
Money. Open borders and cultural homogeneity make the labor market more, "efficient," which has obvious benefits for capital. It took a minute for people to figure this out, or maybe, just maybe, the rich and powerful used to have more of a conscience than they do now, but I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.7205130]

>>7205121
So you think this "one world" type shit is because of Capitalism?

[Anonymous No.7205133]

>>7205077
You should ask the "who" question instead. Because nobody reads books.

The answer to that is Jews btw (by the way)

[Anonymous No.7205211]

>>7205130
Yes. Communism and Capitalism have the same goal of making every man the Last Man.

[Anonymous No.7205240]

>>7205077
The horrors of the 20th century, from Armenia to Rwanda, we're all real and not Zionist lies. People actually experienced them and what seems to be liberal multiculturalism is just pure reactionary thought to prevailing Victorian/Colonial world view.

[Anonymous No.7205251]

Cuck jokes aside, but the whole 'multigulduralisb is ebil :DDDD' is bullshit. Even in America where the population is 15% black, almost none of those blacks live in the same places as white people. Go to a 'black' part of New York and you won't see any white people aside from cops and homeless. We're far from multicultural.

[Anonymous No.7205275]

>>7205211
But why?

[Anonymous No.7205280]

>>7205251

This is a major point in opposition to multicultural societies though: merely having multiple cultures within a society does not mean that they're going to relate positively to each other. Plenty of "race realist" types have no problem with other racial groups existing -- they just wish those groups would do it somewhere else and leave them alone with the rest of their race. You can bring blacks and whites to a multicultural society, but you can't make them drink the kool-aid: by and large they simply don't want to be with each other, they would rather be grounded in their own culture and their own race than they would be constantly in a struggle with other cultures and races. And their wills to segregate manifest in socioeconomic and cultural forces that make it very difficult for those few of different races who wish to integrate into one another's company to actually accomplish that, let alone achieve a broader societal integration.

[Anonymous No.7205285]

>>7205077
"Origin of the Species"

[Anonymous No.7205299]

>>7205275
People with no source of personal pride (most people are so mediocre that family and community are their main source of pride, so don't give me that) are easily manipulated in more directions than people who feel a strong attachment to an arbitrary group of people.

>>7205251
>we're far from multicultural
Correct. Lots of people are groovy with that and don't want it to change. Not sure how stating that fact is an argument.

[Anonymous No.7205302]

>>7205280
>you know, black people actually WANT to live in ghettos!

[Anonymous No.7205328]

>>7205299
You're being stupid, race is more than that, it's literally ingrained in people to like their own race more.

[Anonymous No.7205347]

>>7205299
Please, 'racial pride' are the most easily manipulated people on Earth. Who else could be tricked into killing millions and destroying their own nation in the process for no good reason?

[Anonymous No.7205356]

>>7205280
Why would any sane man actually want to deny another cultural influence? It will only bring wisdom and richness to his life. There is no actual conflict in integrating cultures or races other than racist ones. To want to preserve your "Culture" is rooted in a sense of cultural superiority and perfectionism.

[Anonymous No.7205362]

>>7205302

Nice strawman. Nobody wants to live in a ghetto; what I'm saying is that white people want black people to live in ghettos as opposed to living with them. Blacks don't want to live in ghettos either, and I doubt most would mind if they got the good neighborhoods and the white people had to live in ghettos instead -- why should they? The white will to segregate manifests in enforcing segregation of the black community through economical and legal force, mostly relating to property values and mass imprisonments. And the defensive response of the black will to segregate is to perpetuate their own culture and their own way of living rather than assimilating into white culture -- the very idea of a black man assimilating into white culture can be made to seem absurd in modern America, despite such successful examples as our own head of state -- which is precisely what gives whites the excuse to point to them as the enemy and continue to repress them through economical and legal force.

[Anonymous No.7205363]

>>7205356
Your argument is "preservation is wrong because it's wrong", you literally gave no points other than your opinion, why do you have this opinion? What is the basis of it? Please explain

[Anonymous No.7205372]

>>7205347
That only happens when you are an idiot(Hitler) who believes in biological race. Race doesn't exist only volkgeists. Hegel knew this.

[Anonymous No.7205374]

>>7205356

As it happens, I don't want to deny cultural influences. In my humble opinion, "pure" blacks should be bred out of existence, black communities should be geographically disrupted, and a total cultural and racial integration should take place in order to extirpate the notion that there is any room for a hyphen-American in the American nation.

[Anonymous No.7205385]

>>7205372
>Hegel

[Anonymous No.7205391]

>>7205363
What is my basis that cultural/racial elitism is wrong? Well, perhaps that is denies egalitarianism by proposing one culture has more value than another, which thus justifies the use of violent and oppressive means to uphold the supposed greater value of one culture. Not only that from the inductive side, but rationally there is no reason to suppose one culture has more innate value than another, let alone can be measured in such ways.

[Anonymous No.7205394]

>>7205356
You are a fucking idiot, probably an anglo moron who has no actual culture and a tradition of the prussian school system. The only multicultural thing you american trash do is just assimilate actual cultures in your hollywood charged global consumerist culture. 4chan is the actual example of how you can appreciate certain aspects of a certain culture(Japan) even to unhealthy level while not directly being in contact with it daily. This way there is no contamination on both sides and both sides can grow an organic culture of nationalism. Not that an anglo imperialist trash like yourself would understand.

[Anonymous No.7205398]

>>7205328
I didn't deny this. Sorry if I triggered you by calling such groupings, "arbitrary," but I was more emphasizing that people feel more attachment to their (racially homogeneous) communities than to their race as a whole. Much stronger, I'd argue. There are like a billion Han Chinese alone, and you know they care more about their village than they do about the rest of China.

>>7205347
Like the other guy said, it's not so much about racial pride as about their more immediate heritage. Sure, a white man from Alabama is gonna be partial to white people, but he's much more partial to white Alabamians and would gladly go to war against white people from New Jersey if there were an excuse.

[Anonymous No.7205404]

>>7205391
Cultures are not equal to each other though, that's quite funny you say that, what makes you think they're equal?

[Anonymous No.7205407]

>implying the nation state isn't one of the best inventions in political history
>giving distinct ethnic/cultural/linguistic/religious groups their own autonomy, borders and governments to decide how they want to live - as opposed to living in vast empires governed by an elite who are probably unacquainted with the needs of your group and are too busy to be sympathetic
>people actually want to cause strife by forcing separate ethnic groups with distinct preferences of lifestyle to live with each other
>people think anyone will benefit from this

[Anonymous No.7205416]

>>7205394
>Ad hominem
>stawman
Neat

[Anonymous No.7205418]

>>7205356

>To want to preserve your "Culture" is rooted in a sense of cultural superiority and perfectionism.

Well, yeah. Nobody wants to see the advances of the last 500 years undone by a bunch of muslims or domestic radicals like SJWs.

[Anonymous No.7205426]

>>7205416
>an anglo tells me that his character isn't decisive of his opinions

Just Pure Ideology at it's finest.

[Anonymous No.7205427]

>>7205404
The question lays on you: what can be used to measure the quality of a culture? If youre about to say scientific and artistic richness, then I suppose the 1940s germans really did have a right to rule the world, they were certainly the peak of both.

[Anonymous No.7205437]

>>7205427
talk about begging the question

[Anonymous No.7205438]

>>7205418
How can a culture detract though? Since when can incoming immigrants somehow remove advancements and thoughts from an existing nation?

[Anonymous No.7205449]

>>7205438
When the existing population is subdued or bred out? This, I assume, will occur either through cultural repression, declining birth rates and mass immigration.

You know that British people are a minority in London now, right? They only represent 44.9% of the population. In their own capital city.

[Anonymous No.7205460]

>>7205426
But you really had no insight into my character, it was all constructed from my post.
>Pure Sophistry at its finest

[Anonymous No.7205465]

>>7205449
Yet I really see no decrease of the strength of London culture.

[Anonymous No.7205488]

>>7205460
Everything is logos.

>>7205465
Capitalist power is not culture.

[Anonymous No.7205503]

>>7205465
Oh, you don't "see" it? What. Where do you live? The cultural output of Britain is ludicrously pitiable compared to what it was in the last century and before - even though its population is bigger than its ever been. The best shit comes from fucking Wales these days.

Culture is shaped by the people who engage in it. Immigrants with thousands of years of history and cultural baggage aren't going to shake it off in one generation. Different cultures don't always mix well, and most often you end up with divides and declines of the quality of both rather than the magical "enrichment" I always fucking hear about. The only time multiculturalism appears to work is when everyone is making too much money to pay attention to their neighbours, so the only enrichment is economic. And that's only if you live in somewhere like Australia where they have stringent regulation on illegal immigration but let in thousands of purely economic migrants. But Australia's suffered culturally for destroying any vestiges of solidarity or common identity for this end - you won't find much art coming out of the country like you would a few decades ago.

[Anonymous No.7205530]

>>7205374
>hyphenated americans
My nigger. The sooner we blend as Jefferson and Roosevelt suggested the better.

[Anonymous No.7205565]

>>7205077
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.7205576]

>>7205088
This, a million times.

[Anonymous No.7205592]

>>7205465
London culture is just internationalist bullshit. It's Eid al fitr, diversity celebration, the Notting Hill Carnival, and post-modern art that has nothing to do with London.

London culture, as in culture arising from indigenous Londoners and Middlesex is practically gone.

[Anonymous No.7205646]

>>7205077
This guy tbh. Some philosophers before him called themselves cosmopolitan, but he's the one who really put that idea it into practice. Western civilization has been expanding and absorbing ever since. Segregation and preservation are just temporary periods of misguided reactionism.

[Anonymous No.7205666]

>>7205646
why, why?

[Anonymous No.7205697]

>>7205666
When Alexander the great conquered Persia, he started adopting Persian customs, and even had his men marry Persian women. This made his men worried because they weren't Ubermenchen like he was and were afraid of change.

After he died, his empire split up into three smaller ones and all of those marriages ended, but he had already set a course for western civilization. The Hellenic age was one of trade and cosmopolitanism, and ever since then, western civilization has been spreading itself either economically or militarily. Ever since them, the people who think of themselves as a small tribe of good folk, have been conquered by larger and larger empires.

People who fret over race or try to preserve their culture end up reducing themselves to barbarian tribes waiting to be conquered. It's a dead end ideology. Be like Alexander instead, conquer Persia and marry it's women.

[Anonymous No.7205741]

>>7205697
>Ever since them, the people who think of themselves as a small tribe of good folk, have been conquered by larger and larger empires.

Why not have both?

[Anonymous No.7205759]

>>7205697
Why did he want to do this?

[Anonymous No.7205791]

>>7205759
Because he thought the Persians were cool, and because he wanted to be the king of an empire that combined Greece and Persia. He might have also learned cosmopolitanism from Aristotle, as that was the cool thing Philosophers did. Being above nationality in their search for truth.

In general though, he just thought bigger than the rest of the Macedonians. He also wanted to build a great Pyramid for his father and send an expedition to circumnavigate Africa.

[Anonymous No.7205793]

>>7205077

Machiavelli

[Anonymous No.7205816]

>>7205646

nigger please. Alexander's policy of Greco-Persian fusion is a million miles from the blind multiculturalism we have today.

Alexander came from a tough but relatively coarse race. He encountered a noble but relatively soft race. He believed the product of these two would create extremely high quality human beings.

He would not have been in favor of this come one, come all policy we have today in Europe. Alexander knew how to deal with savages.

[Anonymous No.7205822]

>>7205791
Why is transcending race, nation "truth" or a good thing?

[Anonymous No.7205828]

>>7205793
what person is this meme imitating

[Anonymous No.7205850]

>>7205822

Because racial purity is a cultural dead-end. The inevitably consequence is incest and degeneration.

When Neo-Nazis rail about 'racial purity' they present us with a sterotypical image of the Aryan Superman. A more realistic depcittion would be the worst caciature of a Jew or Jewess you could possibly imagine: hunchbacked, enormous nose, feeble extremities, balding, bad complexion, prematurely aged, hideous and odious. That is what 'racial purity' looks like.

It is not without reason that bastards have played such a huge role in history. They are children of passion, which makes them better bred to begin with; but in addition to this they are the children of mistresses, often foreign and exotic. Certainly not blood relatives, which were often made lawful wives.

[Anonymous No.7205853]

>>7205828

Leo Strauss

[Anonymous No.7205860]

>>7205822
>Why is truth a good thing.

If you can't overcome yourself, I'm not going to waste time arguing with you.

>>7205816
We don't actually live in a multi-cultural society. We pretend to be, but modern liberals actually encourage segregationism when they talk about cultural appropriation. Alexander was more not less multicultural than we are because he actively attempted to combine races, while today we try to build boxes around them.

>>7205850
Really, Nazism and Zionism are the same thing. White supremacists are the worst kind of jew.

[Anonymous No.7205871]

>>7205860
>overcoming yourself is "truth"
>you are not a part of a race or nation
This is just as much ideology as what you're trying to refute.

[Anonymous No.7205884]

>>7205077
We all bleed red friend

[Anonymous No.7205893]

>>7205251
Thats because multiculturalism is basically untenable

[Anonymous No.7205904]

>>7205893

this tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ESlS2jrhXY

You need to change you ways if you want to succeed in the modern world.

[Anonymous No.7205909]

>>7205871
In the end, everything is Ideology. We have to chose arbitrarily what we want to follow.

A Zionist chooses a land, a people, and the past. A Multicultralist chose the world, all humanity, and the future.

I chose to take the bigger portion. You chose death.

[Anonymous No.7205912]

>>7205347
>destroying their nation
>yes goyim, the german people destroyed themselves by inciting the ire of god's chosen

[Anonymous No.7205922]

>>7205912
They destroyed themselves by adopting Zionism and resenting Babylon.

[Anonymous No.7205929]

>>7205372
>Hegel knew about this
>before Darwinian evolution even came to light

[Anonymous No.7205944]

>>7205929
Hegal was a wizard, he knew a lot of things.

[Anonymous No.7205949]

>>7205391
It seems like you are just a simpleton enough to take the leap of faith, however cynical, that we cannot reconcile an idea of inherent racial superiority with the virtue of altruism

[Anonymous No.7205950]

>>7205909
Then don't call your pragmatic ideology, "truth." I actually agree with you for the most part, but come on.

[Anonymous No.7205963]

>>7205427
Well its like Norm Macdonald says

"So Germany decides to go to war again and who do they choose to go to war with? Of course, the world!"

[Anonymous No.7205967]

>>7205949
Acceptance of differences in quality/hierarchy does not mean denial of altruism

[Anonymous No.7205980]

>>7205950
The context I used Truth in was the context of Greek Philosophers.

[Anonymous No.7205995]

>>7205949
>>7205967
Nevermind. Fucked up my comprehension. Apologies anon

[Anonymous No.7206055]

>>7205850
Yeah, because if the white race continues, they will all be incest degenerates...
>>7205860
Stop trying to manipulate the conversation, answer the fucking question.

[Anonymous No.7206090]

>>7205275
When your political ideology is basically just an extension of your economic system, you can only really get true believers when people have nothing left in their lives but economics. As long as the people hold on to race, religion, nation, or individuality, neither capitalism nor communism can reach their ultimate expression. Only under the pure tyranny of quantity, standing alone, can these systems achieve a final triumph.