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[Anonymous No.7199977]

Nestor > Diomedes > Odysseus > Aeneas > Menelaus > Ajax the Greater > Agamemnon > Achilles > Hector > Patroclus > Ajax the Lesser

Rest are literally whos

[Anonymous No.7200157]

the gods > mortal scum

[Anonymous No.7200162]

>>7200157
mortal scum > the gods
struggling, doomed mortals, cured by fate and hubris, striving to succeed anyway
vs.
preening, vain, squabbling arseholes who just like to fuck with mortals for the lulz

[Anonymous No.7200171]

bright-eyed Athena < gods < mortal scum

[Anonymous No.7200175]

bright-eyed Athena > asshole gods > mortal scum

[Anonymous No.7200177]

>>7199977
Why is Nestor, a senile old man that his only good point in speaking gently, above Diomedes that wounded two gods?
Anyway Hector is the best.
"Fight for your country—that is the best, the only omen!"

[Anonymous No.7200185]

>>7199977
>Aeneas
>worthy of that much praise
Boy got saved out of pity. Odysseus should be first.

[Anonymous No.7200188]

>>7200185
Odysseus a fucking shit, he's nothing but a sneaky cunt.

[Anonymous No.7200193]

>>7200188
Wins wars, though. plus he actuallyndid fight in in the front ranks

[Anonymous No.7200203]

The whole list is fucked, tbh

[Anonymous No.7200219]

[Anonymous No.7200256]

>>7199977
I cant remember half of those people, and I just finished the iliad in july. How fucked am I?

[Anonymous No.7200291]

>>7199977
>Odysseus not being Number 1
Literally WHAT THE FUCK?

[Anonymous No.7200295]

>>7200256
You didn't read it, you just counted pages, go back and reread or give up on books.

[Anonymous No.7200728]

>>7200256
How is that possible? Do you even read?

[Anonymous No.7200760]

>>7200185
>>7200291
>Odysseus
>first
Do you even read?

Diomedes, Achilles and Ajax are top 3 for the Achaeans

[Anonymous No.7200908]

>>7200157
this, the only reason you can name your favorite heros is because the gods were all behind them

[Anonymous No.7200918]

>mfw no mention of argonauts
wie /orpheus/ hier

[Anonymous No.7200925]

how do I go about reading this? Do I flip to the commentary while reading it like endnotes?

[Anonymous No.7200930]

>>7200925
meant to start another thread but this works too

[Anonymous No.7200931]

>Le Ebin Ring Composition man
>Above everyone

[Anonymous No.7200949]

>>7199977
Why is Agamemnon even listed?

[Anonymous No.7200954]

Thesus>all

[Anonymous No.7200973]

>>7199977
>listing Agamemnon over Achilles and Hector
dumb nigger

>>7200157
>>the gods > mortal scum
The whole reason Greeks are as revered as they are is because they were the first civilization to equate gods and men; Gods were no longer some unobtainable, foreign divine holiness beyond Humans, they were of human form as well. They quarreled like humans, they argued like humans, they loved and had flings like humans, they debauched and partook in "degeneracy" like humans. Even mortals became half gods, and formed immortal or half god mortals. Deities weren't lowered, Humans were raised. It was a majorly progressive point in human civilization and one of the reasons they were as innovative as they were.

[Anonymous No.7200987]

>>7200925
>>7200930
You can do that if you want but one of the joys of the book is putting together how exactly the poem and the commentary are related - a bit different than they might seem at first glance.

Ultimately you are probably fine just reading both straight through (but flipping back to the poem from the commentary when you need to remember what the commentary is on), but I would feel it out for yourself because that's part of the fun.

[Anonymous No.7200990]

>>7200930
>making a thread asking how to read a book
consider killing yourself

[Anonymous No.7201047]

>>7200990
it doesn't seem like a traditional book is all so I was wondering if I was doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.7202263]

>>7200760
if the list was 'best achaeans,' hektor wouldn't be on it, idiot

[Anonymous No.7202461]

>>7200918
>wie
>nicht wer

Fick dich

[Anonymous No.7202479]

Thoughts on Fagles? Trying to decide between his or Lattimore's translation of the Oresteia.