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Anonymous Mon Sep 28 15:24:15 2015 No.7170894 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: greatest dialogue writers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:27:57 2015 No.7171099 >>7170894 O'Hara, Leonard, Hemingway, Carver, Salinger, Higgins, McCarthy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:31:09 2015 No.7171108 File: 30 KB, 400x328, william gaddis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:35:55 2015 No.7171123

>>7171099
Is Hemingway considered a good dialogue writer? I've never heard people praise him for that.

Good list, especially Higgins and Leonard. Most hardboiled/noir crime writers were great dialogue writers too (Chandler, MacDonald, Thompson, Hammett)

More screenwriters/dramatists:

David Mamet
Coen Brothers
Billy Wilder

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:36:57 2015 No.7171128 >>7171099 Nice list. I always loved Salingers dialogues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:37:09 2015 No.7171129 File: 47 KB, 446x600, shakespeare.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] CHOO CHOO MOVE IT PLEBS

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:19:20 2015 No.7171312

>>7171123
he is the father of modern dialogue. it is hard to appreciate now though because the influence is so widespread. his achievements and innovations with prose were mostly systematic (easy to imitate), as Garcia Marquez said: Hemingway was the first to 'figure out the science of writing'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:22:37 2015 No.7171324 what high brow novels have the most dialogue?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:23:26 2015 No.7171326 >>7171324 J.R. is almost entirely dialogue. Good luck figuring out who's saying what.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:24:11 2015 No.7171329 >>7171108 -- I... I think I'm -- well... I just... I hope that... I mean... do we, are we...us...?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:27:40 2015 No.7171347 >>7171312 Alright. I loved The Killers and The Old Man and the Sea (which I read when I was very young). I really should start reading Hemingway in earnest. Should I go with A Farewell to Arms, or For Whom the Bell Tolls?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:28:49 2015 No.7171351 >>7171324 faulkner

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:32:58 2015 No.7171369 >>7171361 why do people post him on /lit/ so much? that smug fucking face is so despicable

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:34:58 2015 No.7171383 >>7171326 >>7171351 which books

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:37:06 2015 No.7171393 >>7171383 Gaddis: J.R. as the anon mention Faulkner: Just read his best books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:37:22 2015 No.7171395 >>7171369 answered your own question, bruv

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:37:40 2015 No.7171398 >>7171393 thank you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:39:16 2015 No.7171405 >>7170894 The dialogue in A Confederacy of Dunces is impeccable.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:43:03 2015 No.7171420
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Mamet is great. His non-fiction books are worth reading too.

I urge everyone here to go and watch Glengarry Glen Ross or House of Games right now. Then you can go on from there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:54:36 2015 No.7171483 >>7170894 does lit hate mark twain?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:00:05 2015 No.7171510 >>7171483 He just isn't talked about here generally like a lot of great authors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:53:18 2015 No.7171742 How do you become great at writing dialogue?

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:56:28 2015 No.7171755

>>7171742
Listen to conversations. Learn how much things are implied. Learn how little people actually listen. Pick up individual speech habits, turns of phrasings, pauses, patterns of thought. Record conversations randomly between people. Make an active effort to speak to others as if you were in a book, not with full blown lyrics but rather slightly more elegant prose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:01:19 2015 No.7171770 Gaddis writes the best, most believable dialogue of anyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:06:10 2015 No.7171778 File: 51 KB, 648x432, lwsm_jd_160-2-copy-1_7727.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] martin mcdonagh

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:21:27 2015 No.7171816 >>7171755 >>7171742 you forgot one of the most important parts: Watch movies and read literature with great dialogue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:23:46 2015 No.7171824 >>7171778 GOAT

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:26:52 2015 No.7171836 >>7171329 yeah, and it's great

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:30:04 2015 No.7171851 File: 75 KB, 600x400, plato.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:35:09 2015 No.7171868 >>7171778 Tarantino knock-off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:56:09 2015 No.7171905 >>7171868 if tarantino was a good writer, maybe

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:01:20 2015 No.7171918 >>7171905 He is. ridiculous to claim otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:19:21 2015 No.7171957 Are there any good examples of dialogue not using quotation marks?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:24:40 2015 No.7171968 File: 416 KB, 756x1134, ggkjh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will Self

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 05:51:49 2015 No.7173399 >>7171851 Underrated

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 05:53:51 2015 No.7173405 >>7171957 Gaddis McCarthy barely even uses punctuation

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 06:59:23 2015 No.7173500 >>7171957 >>7173405 Joyce used em dashes to indicate dialogue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 07:00:39 2015 No.7173505 >>7171968 Wiw Sewf

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:14:59 2015 No.7173621 Denis Johnson writes amazing dialogue. He's probably my favorite. David Mamet should also probably be mentioned in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:16:17 2015 No.7173625 >>7173621 >Mamet Oops. He already has been mentioned. My bad.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:24:07 2015 No.7173639 >>7171347 For Whom The Bell Tolls is a personal favorite, so consider this recommendation biased

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:43:38 2015 No.7173666 >>7171361 Okay

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:46:45 2015 No.7173673 File: 7 KB, 155x218, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] beyond obligatory

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:50:43 2015 No.7173681 File: 850 KB, 1277x709, KING.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:29:14 2015 No.7174443 >>7173681 where should one start with King? what is the cream of the crop of his artistic output?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:34:07 2015 No.7174454 File: 25 KB, 448x477, joyce.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] duh the last part of portrait is dialogue magic

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:36:23 2015 No.7174460 >>7170894 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78RzZr3IwI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jeuV3xXxUc

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:36:48 2015 No.7174463 >>7171851 >i agree, O great plato! nah.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:38:55 2015 No.7174470 >>7171816 Tarrantino

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:41:23 2015 No.7174479 >>7174460 kek. still a great writer though.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:42:24 2015 No.7174484

>>7171369
easy target, and for such a clown he is amazingly popular and tabbed into the youth culture atm so makes it a perfect storm of someone who embodies everything lit does not like + has achieved copious amounts of fame in the most annoying way possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 19:54:00 2015 No.7176208 >>7171851 ebin

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:44:36 2015 No.7176381 >>7171778 yesss

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 21:19:55 2015 No.7176529 >>7173631 This guy. "Dutch" is the champ.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 21:26:54 2015 No.7176549

>>7170894
Sorkin's dialogue isn't really dialogue. It's like he tries to cram as many witticisms as possible into every sentence. He took most of his inspiration from Paddy Chayefsky but lost Chayefsy's subtlety and comedic timing. He also stole the speeches but kicked them up a notch in the insanity department to the point where they're both completely unmotivated and transparently exist solely as an outlet for his own frustrations.

In a sorkin piece his jokes are usually good on their own but there are so many coming at you that there's no time to let them register. Everyone is literally so on the ball with comebacks that none of it is believable.

Anyway, David Mamet is a much better stage and film writer than Sorkin largely because he knows when and when not to have people be sarcastic.

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