/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.7162676]

>Dostoevsky, Fyodor. Dislike him. A cheap sensationalist, clumsy and vulgar. A prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. Some of his scenes are extraordinarily amusing. Nobody takes his reactionary journalism seriously.

Do you agree with him /lit/? I can't wait for the undergrads to come out of the woodwork and defend Dostoevsky.

[big man aengoth No.7162687]

“What a slut time is. She screws everybody.”

[big man aengoth No.7162691]

>>7162687
woops >.<
imagine thats a picture of john green lol

[Anonymous No.7162693]

>>7162676
Link to when he said that?

[Anonymous No.7162711]

>>7162693
It wasn't him, it's a meme.

[Anonymous No.7162716]

>>7162711
>john green is a meme

this is the real meme

[big man aengoth No.7162727]

>>7162711
>john green is a meme
yeah okay mate enough internet for ya

[Anonymous No.7162753]

>>7162693
>>7162716
Source of meme, newfriend:
http://wmjas.wikidot.com/nabokov-s-recommendations

[Anonymous No.7162850]

>>7162753
>loves Jane Austen
>shits on Dostoevsky and Hemingway

if he hadn't written lolita i'd accuse him of being a SJW

[Anonymous No.7162863]

>>7162850
He doesn't actually shit on hemingway, this list is out of context. He read a book by Hemingway that he loathed, but went on to enjoy several of his short stories and TOMATS.

Also Austen actually is great.

[Anonymous No.7162870]

>>7162753
Nabokov is such a cunt. Not even because of his tastes, he's just a cunt.

If he was born later, he'd be shitposting on 4chan about Patrician /lit/ half the time.

[Anonymous No.7162873]

>>7162850
Austen is better than those two and Nabakov. But you're the type of retard to use SJW unironically so I don't doubt that you're too stupid to understand the subtleties of Austen.

[Anonymous No.7162886]

>>7162870

Half of his reviews are I'm a patrician and plebs don't understand books.

Also, he claims to have read shit like Ulysses when he was 14. Would fit in /lit/

[Anonymous No.7162906]

>>7162873
>better than Nabokov
Whoa let's not go overboard, my sides
Looks like his post caused you some distress tbh

[Anonymous No.7162910]

>>7162753
>Karl Marx
>I loath him.

Guess Nabokov's recommendations aren't so bad after all.

[Anonymous No.7162915]

>>7162753
>Tolstoy is for 10 year olds

[Anonymous No.7162927]

>>7162915
I'm fairly sure he meant that Tolstoy was one of his favorite authors ages 10 to 15

[Anonymous No.7162938]

love my weekly Green thread

[Anonymous No.7162941]

>>7162753
this reminds me of Piero Scaruffi

[Anonymous No.7162954]

>Wallace, David Foster Wallace. Terrible. No discernible talent. Infinite Jest is just awful. Stephen King is Cervantes compared with Wallace.

[Anonymous No.7162969]

>>7162753
Wtf he read like half of the western canon before he was 15

[Anonymous No.7162975]

>>7162753
>Finnegan's Wake
>conventional

[Anonymous No.7162980]

>>7162969
I mean, he was 15 during the 30s or something right? Much less to read then.

[Anonymous No.7162997]

>>7162886
>he claims to have read... Ulysses at 14

no he hasn't. he was talking about War and Peace and C&P, stuff like that. don't talk about stuff you know nothing about.

>>7162870
>he'd be shitposting on 4chan about Patrician /lit/ half the time.

fugin ebin

[Anonymous No.7163006]

>>7162915
War & Peace, he meant.

He thought Death of Ivan Ilyich and Anna Karenina were amazing works of art, detested Resurrection and The Kreutzer Sonata, and thought that War & Peace was a rollicking historical novel for children.

He considered Tolstoy one of the greatest writers of all time.

[Anonymous No.7163033]

>>7162753

I never knew he was so god damned insufferable.

[Anonymous No.7163040]

>>7163033
except he's right about pretty much every thing.

did he make fun of your favorite writer? is that why you're so angry?

[Anonymous No.7163042]

he hates all 'ideas', books of ideas, because of what ideas and politics did to him throughout his life: fallen aristocrat, father and brother killed, had to flee two countries, etc.

he loved America, freedom, chasing butterflies, and /lit/

[Anonymous No.7163043]

>>7162753

Nabokov was apparently a huge fucking pleb.

[Anonymous No.7163049]

>>7163033
>reads dostoevsky in english by pevear & volokhinsky

uhhh yeah" nabokov," heh, i think i know a thing or teo about dostoevsky. Its time to take you to task. Prepare to be owned.

[Anonymous No.7163053]

>>7163033
how do people find this insufferable and not hilarious?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3fsSL4Bw9w

[Anonymous No.7163057]

>>7162938
>tfw still feel disgust everytime I see this picture

there's no way emasculated cucks like this exist in real life, right?

[Anonymous No.7163065]

>>7163040

Please elaborate on how Brothers Karamazov is cheap sensationalism, clumsy and vulgar.

[Anonymous No.7163076]

>>7163049

Heт, вы блин плeбeй

[Anonymous No.7163084]

Why do plebs get upset when a superior mind disagrees with them? On what grounds do they protest? Their gut feelings?

[Anonymous No.7163087]

>>7162997
>no he hasn't. he was talking about War and Peace and C&P, stuff like that. don't talk about stuff you know nothing about.

ebin comprehension skills m8y, you must be a great reader.

[Anonymous No.7163095]

>>7163084

>Superior mind
>Writes thematically and philosophically vacuous flower prose about fucking children

[Anonymous No.7163103]

>>7163065

I am always happy to have an inflated orthodox sermon hamfistedly shoved down my throat. I mean you have read The Grand Inquisitor right? How can you not call that lazy when you see it in the context of the book? Do you like having authors shove the point of the book in your face and then in the middle start pointing and screaming "look guys do you get it yet?"

[Anonymous No.7163106]

>>7163095

>posts on /lit/
>he only can green text


I am sorry it offended your sensibilities sjw friend

[Anonymous No.7163110]

>>7163095
usually when you do the double green text thing you are supposed to put a reason why he isn't a superior mind, not enforce it

[Anonymous No.7163117]

>>7163106
>>7163103
>>7163087
>>7163084
>>7163049
>>7163040

Someone would've like to be Nabokov's pederast fuckboi.

[Anonymous No.7163118]

>>7162975
Exactly my thought. What the hell?

[Anonymous No.7163139]

>nabokov is a cunt for having opinions

You guys mean he had actual taste and doesn't just like books because they are part of the canon?

[Anonymous No.7163159]

>>7162676
Which serial killer had the best taste in literature?

[Anonymous No.7163163]

>>7163159
it's uncanny

[Anonymous No.7163169]

>>7163159

Zodiac killer was a genius. Theory dismissed.

[Anonymous No.7163189]

>>7162910
Dude was a blue blooded aristocrat from Eastern Europe. Of course he did.

[Anonymous No.7163190]

>Pound, Ezra. Definitely second-rate. A total fake. A venerable fraud.

rustled my fucking jimmies

[Anonymous No.7163210]

>>7162873
gr8 b8

[Anonymous No.7163238]

>>7162753
>Pushkin, Alexander. A favorite between the ages of 20 and 40, and thereafter. A genius.
My nigga Vladi.

[Anonymous No.7163250]

>>7162969
Consider all the time you wasted on the internet and on the phone.

Imagine all that time spent reading instead.

[Anonymous No.7163264]

>>7162873
Northanger Abbey is a piece of shit.

Stop trying to score feminist points. You make yourself look like an idiot.

[Anonymous No.7163279]

>>7162753
>Melville, Herman. Love him. One would like to have filmed him at breakfast, feeding a sardine to his cat.

What did he mean by this?

Really, what?

[Anonymous No.7163288]

>>7163250
You just encouraged me to get off 4Chan right now and get back to reading

[Anonymous No.7163293]

>>7162676
implying he would write something as offensive as claptrap.

[Anonymous No.7163300]

>>7163288
see you tomorrow

[Anonymous No.7163323]

>>7163264
Not him, but

1. Northanger Abbey is a minor Austen novel that was published only posthumously. If you're trying to take Austen down a peg, that's an odd target.

2. What entity, exactly, would accrue "feminist points" in this case? It's an anonymous post, connected with no persistent identity and therefore the person who made it is completely unable to benefit from any attention it receives from feminist women.

[Anonymous No.7163375]

>>7162676
I'm glad to see the John Green switcheroo meme is still going strong

[Anonymous No.7163398]

>>7162676
Nabakov was a fucking hack himself.

A cheap sensationalist, clumsy and vulgar. A claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian.

Seriously, Nabakov was a fucking purpleprosed edgelord.

A faggot, a piece of shit, a lack of taste poor excuse for a human.

The fact that people praise him shows the downfall of literature.

[Anonymous No.7163402]

>>7162969
>Rich and son of a Lawyer/Journalist
>Nothing to do back in the early 1900s

of course he did

[Anonymous No.7163414]

Happy to see that there are so many people on here who are annoyed by Nabokov and disagree with him. It only reinforces my opinion that he was right most of the time.

The idea that he wrote purple prose is one of my favorites I see on here because it's so off-base. Try reading Victorian literature if you want to find out what purple prose is.

[Anonymous No.7163428]

>>7163414
People here expect literature to be pure treatise. It's bizarre.

[Anonymous No.7163466]

>loves repeating the same empty criticisms and praise for different authors without backing his opinions up
Yup, definitely would belong on /lit/

[Anonymous No.7163475]

>>7163414
>Nabokov (a man with an intentionally abrasive personality) being disliked is a confirmation of anything other than him being abrasive
>Muh genius inspires hatred meme

Anon, enjoyed by boys between the ages of 10-15 and no longer. A second-rate poster with easy platitudes.

7162676: Especially loathesome

[Anonymous No.7163506]

>>7163475
I rest my case.

[Anonymous No.7163512]

>>7163040
Calling FW "conventional and drab", see above. Pure edgelordism. Even a troll on /lit would have settled for "shit".
>>7163049
Bielinski called Dostoievsky a genius. Stop with the "this guy knows it better than you do" attitude. It's all opinions one way or the other.
>>7163103
The Grand Inquisitor is not the point of the book, it's one meditation written by one character that's described as noble (though it's implied he's misguided, but misguided for the right reasons). It's also less than 1/10th of the book and less 1/10th of the memorable scenes of the book. Plebs get fixated on this because they have trouble handling the whole book which is a tad more complicated.

Your criticism applies just as well to Anna Karenina (see the last scene and almost any scene involving Anna), to anything Dante ever wrote, etc.

>>7163139
People obviously love to take issue with the smug and provocative formulation. It's simply /lit banter at this point, I mean look at these posts
>>7163414
>>7163428
>>7163466

There's a reason Nabokov's lines about Dosto or Faulkner get spammed here but Kant's Critique of Judgement or Baudelaire's essays on art don't.

There was a collection of Joyce's literary opinions posted in a thread some weeks ago, interesting, and controversial stuff (Joyce said that Pushkin "wrote like a boy, lived like a boy, died like a boy", among other things) yet you don't see it posted ever so often, because most of Joyce's opinions were still phrased in a detailed and nuanced way that would require discussion to make sense of.

[Anonymous No.7163561]

>>7163190
Well, he was a bit of a booster mate. His essays are more interesting to read for his arrogance while his poetry is completely unreadable. At least he managed to promote a lot of poets who were a million times better than him. :^)

[Anonymous No.7163571]

>>7163512
>There was a collection of Joyce's literary opinions posted in a thread some weeks ago

Source? That sounds tastier than Nora Barnacles' farts

[Anonymous No.7163572]

>>7163398
Daniel admits to “that legitimate disgust that seizes any normal man at the sight of a baby,” and to a “solid conviction that a child is a sort of vicious dwarf, innately cruel, who combines the worst features of the species, and from whom domestic pets keep a wise distance.” The despiser of dwarves doesn’t love giants, either, at least literary ones: Shakespeare is a “sad fool,” James Joyce “an insane Irishman” who wrote “ponderous prose,” and Vladimir Nabokov a “mediocre and mannered pseudo-poet” whose style resembles a “collapsed pastry.”

[Anonymous No.7163576]

>>7163561

He helped eliot a lot. It's pretty cool to see the development of Wasteland.

[Anonymous No.7163583]

>>7163571
http://www.saylor.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/James-Joyce-Literary-Tastes.pdf

[Anonymous No.7163607]

>>7163583
>When I once spoke to him about TSE, he grimaced.

I knew he hated Tennyson though, dedalus and his friends discuss poets in Portrait.

[Anonymous No.7163687]

>>7163583
>He possessed Defoe's complete works, and had read every line of them. Of only three other writers, he said, could he make this claim: Flaubert, Ben Jonson and Ibsen

Who the fuck is ben johnson

[Anonymous No.7163754]

>>7163057
I have friends who do this. He fucks other girls, she fucks other guys, they fuck each other. Sounds pretty comfy to me.

[Anonymous No.7164065]

>>7163279
He would like to see his favorite author feeding his cat.

[Anonymous No.7164169]

>>7162753
Nabokov is the perfect reader. I disagree with many of his opinions, but he is articulate on why he has them, doesn't have arbitrary biases that make him like mediocre writers, and his views are completely self-created with no respect to being part of a movement or conventional.
He's probably a better reader than a writer.

[Anonymous No.7164178]

>>7162850
He didn't really like most of her work but had a boner for Mansfield Park.

I admire those kinds of opinions.

[Anonymous No.7164213]

>>7163687
anon...

[Anonymous No.7164232]

>>7163754

I fuck other girls, she fucks just me

that sounds more comfy

[Anonymous No.7164407]

>>7163754

why even be in a relationship then

so dumb