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It's coming up soon, so who's it gonna be?

And if it were someone from your country, who would you pick?

>> No.7156788

DON DELILLO
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>> No.7156793

>>7156774
dream->Arno Schmidt
hoping for->Pinecone
reality->colored woman/other minority

>> No.7156798

Cormac McCarthy

>> No.7156805

Hoping eco

>> No.7156806

>>7156793
dead people don't receive nobel, friendo. It'll probably some feminist egyptian poet tbh.

>> No.7156813

>>7156806
I don't think she's written any poems lol

>> No.7156814

>>7156806
don´t crush my dreams ;_;

>> No.7156824

>>7156814

Seabed died without a nobel in lit and Bertrand Russel has one. How much farcical can that shit get.

>> No.7156827

>>7156798
Does anyone outside the US consider him a literary great?

>> No.7156830

>>7156824
Sebald*

>> No.7156844

>>7156824
Sebald is shit so what's your point

>> No.7156858

>>7156844
>he does not speak krautounge

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>>7156844

>> No.7156866

>>7156858
>He thinks that Sebald didn't ape English styles poorly with babby tier themes and character

>> No.7156872
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7156872

What are /lit/'s thoughts on these possibilities?

>> No.7156875

>>7156866
>claiming to understand what Sebald is talking about
pseudo detected

>> No.7156884

>>7156872
MURNANE, COME ON CUNT YOU CAN DO IT
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Saw his new book in the shop today, looks pretty good, might buy it soon.

>> No.7156885

>>7156875
Incomprehensibility, the sure sign of a greatness

>> No.7156893

>>7156872
>bob dylan

I wouldn't be mad, tbh

>> No.7156898

>>7156774
Voting for hand jobs, ears and cats. tbqhf (to be quite honest fam)

>> No.7156900

>>7156885
not what I implied

>> No.7156940

>>7156884
What's he like? What other authors is he similar to?

>> No.7156946

>>7156940
This short piece about him answers your questions better than I can: http://www.dalkeyarchive.com/reading-gerald-murnane/

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>>7156872
>Murakami 6:1 odds

>> No.7156957

>>7156872
>>Thomas Pynchon's odds are 33/1, equal to Bob Dylan's

What in the fuck

>> No.7156968

>>7156872
>TIL Bob Dylan is still alive

>> No.7156971

>>7156968
Oh, when he dies, you'll be hearing about it CONSTANTLY, so don't worry.

>> No.7156993

I think this time it might be an American. I think McCarthy should be a favorite, also Pynchon, and Roth.

In my country, I would obviously choose Ferreira Gullar, since I'm Brazilian.

In my language, I would choose the Portuguese Antonio Lobo Antunes.

It's obviously going to be a strong black woman who doesn't need no man, though.

>> No.7157010

>>7156872
I wish it was going to be Tommy P

>> No.7157022

>>7156993
Gullar fucking sucks m8, hasn't produced anything of worth since the 70s, if you wanna talk locals, I'd go with Hatoum or even Chico fucking Buarque (not the biggest fan of his, tbh, but my dad says his novels are great)

>> No.7157133

>>7157022
Hatoum is average. I'm from Manaus and I really wanted to like Dois Irmãos, but he's like the Jorge Amado of the jungle, and I truly couldn't finish it. Very sentimentalistic, and very superficial. He can write very well, like Jorge Amado, but also like Amado he deals with cliches, not with original ideas.

Gullar is extremely good sometimes. Even his latest book still has some good poems in it, although it's mostly trash.

Your aesthetic sense is utterly spoiled.

>> No.7157136

Yearly reminder that it's never going to be Murakami

>> No.7157170

>>7156884
Having read Barley Patch, A History of Reading, and A Million Windows I don't know why /lit/ never discusses him.

>seeing a qt girl reading on the train, mishearing her name for something more exotic than it is and dreaming about her
>intricate mental games based on masturbation fantasies
>imaginary horse racing

>>7156872
Why is Joyce Carol Oates on there when William Gass isn't? Hilary Mantel??

>> No.7157173

>>7157170
>Why is Joyce Carol Oates on there when William Gass isn't? Hilary Mantel??

Odds are constructed for the benefit of getting idiots to have a bet for the fun of it.

Therefore, many of the decisions are made with the public stature of the author in mind. Almost none of the decisions have any relationship to the actual odds.

This is the reason Murakami is at the top of the list every year, despite the fact that he will never ever win.

>> No.7157180

>>7157170
Gass may deserve to win as much as anyone, but people don't know him.

>> No.7157186

>>7157170
What's A History of Reading and A Million Windows like? I've read The Plains and Barley Patch and loved both.

>> No.7157355

i hope murakami wins and then there will be a shitstorm on here

>> No.7157409

>>7156774
It's going to be ko Un
Screen cap this please

>> No.7157436

>>7156824
Tolstoy died without a nobel in lit and Prudhomme Sully had one

>> No.7157442
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7157442

>no gene wolfe on the list

>> No.7157465

>>7156872
>Ngugi Wa Wgmntbgggtmq'dnn
>Ursula le genre fiction maymay
>Bob Dylan
>Juan Goytisolo

>> No.7157498

>>7156872
If they go for a "political" choice it will probably ether be Adunis - because of the refugees obviously - or Ngogi Wa Thiong'o because she's a relatively exoteric African choice and as no African has won since 1986 (Soyinka). Though it does generally seem that they have attempted to remove politics from the literature prize in past years - Toni Morrison and Pearl Buck were picked for the prize more than twenty years ago after all - so it's possible that they will choose someone more generally praised like Pynchon, Gass or Roth because they don't want to miss out on a big writer again as they have done before with Borges or Chekhov or whoever.

Being from England I would like Geofrey Hill to win because he seems to be grossly underrated anywhere outside of Britain.

I doubt it will be an American or a European because Modiano and Munro have both won recently and the committee won't want to pick relatively young writers like Krasznahorkai, Knausgaard or Shishkin because it is generally rewarding a writer's life work and they want to avoid any controversy over picking a writer whose views in later life become generally condemned: Hamsun's Nazism, Kipling's "White Man's Burden" etc.

Murakami is to westernised to stand a chance of winning.

>> No.7157518

>>7157442

>genre lit

>ever being nominated for Nobel

Get the fuck out.

>> No.7157522

By all accounts, Adunis would be a fine choice and he's certainly topical. I think that if it's going to be an African then Farah would be a likelier pick than Thiong'o. They should have just given it to Achebe before he kicked the bucket though. Ko Un, Kadare, Oz, one of the Hungarians or one of the Spaniards would also make strong winners.

>> No.7157527

>>7157518
Le Guin would be a worthy winner tbh.

>> No.7157639
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7157639

If pinecone dies without a nobel prize id probably cry tbh

>> No.7157653

>>7157527
Prrrrrrobably not

>>7157639
Only if the jury doesn't realise how well-known he is, which seems unlikely, because it's not just
>>7157498
>generally rewarding a writer's life work
but also raising the profile of someone whose work needs it

>> No.7157658

The winner will be deeply honored to join such prestigious company as Pearl Buck

>> No.7157667

Pynchon or Murakami would make me happy.

>> No.7157750

Pynchon has 0% of winning tbh. They would never give to a person who wouldn't even record a video for the ceremony.

I hope Roth or Delillo win

From my country I'd pick Chico Buarque

>> No.7157765

>>7157653
>Prrrrrrobably not

She writes nice prose and convincing characters, she is staunchly humanist, she is complexly political, and she has been vouched for by "serious" "literary" critics like Bloom and McCaffery. She won't win, of course, but if she did she'd deserve it just as much as, e.g., Doris Lessing did.

>> No.7157774

>>7156805
would get my vote

>> No.7157785

>>7157653
>but also raising the profile of someone whose work needs it

That is not actually included in their mission statement, I think it's just a happy byproduct of their elitist-obscurantist leanings. I think popular candidates like Pynchon, McCarthy and Eco have been ruled out because of their flirtations with genre fiction. I think the academy are too fuddy-duddy to give that kind of writing a fair shake.

>> No.7158203

>>7157355
It's not gonna happen. It's gonna be someone no one here has heard of.

>> No.7158219

>>7158203
Yeah, /lit/ has had a shitstorm every year since Thomas the Transformer won. Even Munro sent everyone crazy and her prize had been a long time coming. I feel that Adunis is a smart prediction - in fact, it may be so obvious that they choose to pass him over out of sheer contrarianism.

>> No.7158227

>>7157498
Ngugi is a man, and he's also supposed to be good, so the award would only be half political.

>more generally praised like Pynchon, Gass or Roth
More generally praised in America, you mean. There are other countries with their own authors who are generally praised, and many of them show up on that list.

Hamsun deserved to win no matter what he said later in life.

>> No.7158236

>>7157518
Doris Lessing wrote science fiction

>> No.7158249

>>7157785
>I think popular candidates like Pynchon, McCarthy and Eco have been ruled out because of their flirtations with genre fiction.
I'm not sure why you think this, and I sincerely doubt it is true.

>> No.7158254

>>7158219
Tomas Transtromer was the most famous poet in Sweden before winning the award, at least, and people who were paying attention to the award knew it was going to happen eventually.

>> No.7158267

>>7156774
John greene

>> No.7158270
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THE KRASZ

>> No.7158273

>>7158227
Shit, for some reason I assumed Ngugi was a woman, I have no idea why.

You're definitely right though both about Hamsun deserving the prize and about other nationally praised authors appearing on the list. What I said when I said "more generally" praised was partially more generally praised on here and more generally praised and advocated in a commercial sense: a good bookshop in Portugal (or even a supermarket bookshop) will have a book by Pynchon or Roth in all probability - this is just anecdotal evidence though I don't have any kind of statistical proof - whereas a book by Antunes or Saramago is far more difficult to find in a bookshop here in England.

>> No.7158280

>>7158273
I guess the extreme globalization of American culture extends further than pop culture

>> No.7158281

>>7158270
I will be so mad if Nadas gets it instead of him. Parallel Stories is shit, SHIT!

>> No.7158326

>>7158273
saramago is still v popular tho

>> No.7158347

>>7156774
>wet dream
Eco
>somewhat more realistic hope
Roth
>who it's gonna be
Adunis
>someone from my country
none, we really, really don't have any writers right now. I'll bandwagon the strongest spanish-speaking candidate, César Aira

>> No.7158351

>>7157136
I love following the Facebook-comments on the big newspaper articles about Nobel.

>WHY WASN'T IT MURAKAMI COME OOON
>:((((
>10,000 people liked this

Why are people so pleb.

>> No.7158362

>>7156872
sell Murakami, Roth, Oates, Kadare, Robinson, Kundera, DeLillo, McCarthy, Knausgard, Atwood, Gaiman and Doctorow

buy Thiong'o, Un, Le Guin, Dylan, Pynchon, Didion, Rushdie, Stoppard and Eco

>> No.7158368
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7158368

>tfw it'll be some unknown minority again.
>tfw the Nobel prize committee is made up of a bunch of cucks.

>> No.7158379

>>7156844
>he's too dense to enjoy Sebald

Keep reading, buddy. No one (except maybe Robert Burton) has understood melancholy quite like Sebald, and he didn't "ape English styles". His style more closely resembles the styles of 19th century German writers, which are markedly different from "English styles".

>> No.7158382

>>7158368
>>tfw it'll be some unknown minority again.

When is the last time that even happened?

>> No.7158398

>>7158379
Few outside of the German-speaking world seem to read Gottfried Keller or Adalbert Stifter

>> No.7158412

>>7158398
Exactly. I don't know where that guy got the idea that Sebald was poorly aping English styles. It's almost as if he hasn't read anything by him...

>> No.7158419

>>7158382
Last year.

>> No.7158429

>>7156774
Cormac

>> No.7158434

>>7158419
Modiano is a stalwart of French literature and he's a straight white man who writes introspective novels about death and memory.

>> No.7158439

>>7158434
He's a terrible writer though.

>> No.7158444

>>7158439
I've only read La Place de l'Étoile and I thought it was good but immature, which makes sense considering that he wrote it age 23 or something. I intend to read more of his work. Which ones did you read?

>> No.7158446

>>7158439
Even if that were true, it doesn't make him an unknown minority.

>> No.7158453

>>7158347
Where are you from, bro?

>>7158439
No, he's not

>> No.7158534

>>7157527
Le Guin or Pynchon would make me equally happy. Not holding my breath for either though.

>> No.7158558

>>7156872
>Haruki 6:1

Yeah, no

>> No.7158580

>>7156872

Anyone betting on Murakami to not win?

>> No.7158581

>>7156798
I wish

>>7156827
yep, at least I consider him to be GOAT

>> No.7158641

>>7158444
>>7158446
>>7158453
Both Place and Ash Flowers are dreary, nostalgic, insufferable bogus from a writer more sentimental than he's inventive or insightful.

Ash Flowers has one good moment, when that guy dissolves in the rain. That's it.

>> No.7158657

>>7157498
>Ngogi Wa Thiong'o because she's a relatively exoteric African choice and as no African has won since 1986 (Soyinka)

Coetzee?

>> No.7158663

>>7156827
He's not a genious but he's gifted

>> No.7158664

>>7157355
>>7157136
They probably just keep him on the list, since that brings in more popularity for the awards themselfs.

>> No.7158667

>>7158657
He is of European descent

>> No.7158678

I am surprised Yevtushenko never got one.

They gave one to Brodsky and I always though Yevtushenko was a much more powerful poet.

>> No.7158697

>>7158678
>Yevtushenko
Apparently he's still alive, so who knows? Maybe it'll be him...

>> No.7158698

>>7156872
>third guy in the list is called Ngugi Wa Thiong'o
oh well

>> No.7158702

>>7158698
The only reason he's so high is because people still have the impression that the award is political, even though the past five or so winners haven't been particularly political.

>> No.7158708

>>7158273
>I have no idea why.
because you're a retard who goes uhh muh women and minorities are taking over bwahhh. why don't you read a book

>> No.7158712

>>7158708
You sound like the butthurt one lmao.

>> No.7158736

>>7158712
heheh troll'd hard budhurd. upoat!

>> No.7158750

>>7158736
You don't have to be mad just because someone points out the obvious fact that award winners are sometimes chosen because of identity politics. I'm not even that mad that it happens. It's just a little disappointing.

>> No.7158759

>>7158750
fuck, I could make fun of you if you were mad, but disappointed? got nothing

>> No.7158763

>>7158759
You can make fun of me for having opinions you don't like. That's a pretty popular thing to do

>> No.7158773

>>7158708
Jesus, I'm sorry you thought that because it is not what I thought at all: I don't care the race or gender of someone so long as they write well.

I think I assumed it because I am so used to that kind of -i sound ending a name being feminine because of names like Sophie or Lucy, thus I naturally assumed that Ngugi was also a feminine name because I have never really made a concerted effort to learn about Wa Thiong'o - only hearing him tangentially mentioned - because I am not hugely interested in African writers.

>> No.7158776

>>7158750
yes, there is no identity politics invovled when picking straight white men. it's always based off "literary merit" then, right? almost want to believe someone as dumb as you can exist in reality

>> No.7158785

>>7158657
I didn't even know he'd won. Christ, my ignorance of African literature is really showing today.
Though he, as a white South African writer, doesn't really correspond to the kind of political choice I was, perhaps wrongly, suggesting.

>> No.7158788

>>7158776
That's right. White men still tend to be better than other people, though the sexuality doesn't really matter.

>> No.7158825

I would like it if Ngugi wa Thiong'o wins. I enjoyed The River Between.

>> No.7158909

Who are yall's favorite past winners to read?

>> No.7158916

>>7158909
Joyce, Proust, Tolstoy, Ibsen, Chekhov, Borges, Nabokov, among others

>> No.7159416

>>7158916
At first I got confused by this answer, then angry and sad.

>> No.7159429

>>7158916
>>7159416
the fact that some bum like Sartre won the award, but they didn't is proof that it's a worthless award.

>> No.7159431

>>7158909
Too many tbh. Right now I'd say Mann, Faulkner, Vargas Llosa

>> No.7159440

>>7158909
Of the list, I like Jimenez and Hesse the best, probably.

Garcia Marquez is also a favourite.

>> No.7159501

>>7158788
"White men tend to be better" sounds like identity politics to me tbh

>> No.7159556

>>7159501
It's not. It's an empirical observation.

>> No.7159568

>>7159556
show me your data please

>> No.7159579

>>7159568
If you look at the last 20 winners of the Nobel Prize in Literature, more than half are White Men, which is much greater than any other race/gender combo.

>> No.7159680

>>7157527
Yes, but she'll never get it. There are several Americans in line before her

Ko Un and Adunis are the best of the actual contenders. Certainly would respect Oates, Roth, Ashberry or Eco.

>> No.7159799

>>7158788
>though the sexuality doesn't really matter.
why is this? because gay men are better than straights and disprove your theory?

>> No.7159814

>>7158909

Mann, Hesse, Eliot, Saramago, Kawabata, Thomas the Transformer

>> No.7159856

Paulo Coelho

>> No.7159894

Adunis won't win this year at least, after he won the Erich Maria Remarque Peace Prize this year he was criticized for not supporting the Syrian revolution.

>> No.7159897

>>7159799
>why is this?
It's an observation, but it's probably because sexuality isn't as important as culture, socioeconomic status, or genetics in determining literary talent.

>because gay men are better than straights and disprove your theory?
You were the one who brought up sexuality, you fucking idiot. You think you can just throw all groups you perceive as oppressed into the same bin, which is a comically simplistic way of looking at the world, and which sadly many seem to share. Good job showing how shallow you are.

>> No.7159916

Vollmann has the biggest shout in the US, imo

>> No.7159919

No American will win this prize in our lifetimes.

>> No.7159925

>>7159919
An American has won in my lifetime.

>> No.7160038

>>7159579
wait I thought your whole claim was that the Nobel was awarded based on identity politics. so being white and male is the favored identity?

>> No.7160042

>>7160038
I said it only happens sometimes. It hasn't happened in the past five years, in my opinion, even though one non-man and one non-white won in those years.

>> No.7160045

>>7159897
good job spelling out how illogical your ideology is.

>> No.7160046

>>7158909
Eliot to add on to other answers.

I don't mind Munro tbh, don't think she's nobelcore tho.

>> No.7160065

>>7160042
In your opinion? I thought this was about your empirical observations regarding what races and genders produce the best art

Regardless it is absolutely incredible that you can hold up a winner's list and claim it is both proof that white men are best and proof that awards are doled out due to identity politics.

>> No.7160083

>>7160065
The awards are decided by experts and can be taken to reflect general conditions for literary excellence, but particular cases deserve scrutiny. In particular cases, identity politics clearly plays a major role in selecting the winner.

>> No.7160084

>>7160045
If there's something illogical about it, then explain what, and I'll change it.

>> No.7160101

>>7160083
So the "empirical observations" include judgments about which cases deserve scrutiny, and the ones that deserve scrutiny are only non-male and non-white writers? Empirically? Fascinating.

>> No.7160112

>>7160101
I meant "particular" as in "individual", meaning each one by itself.

>> No.7160119

>>7160112
But none of the particular cases are white and male, I take it.

>> No.7160128

>>7160119
You mean none of the particular cases that one can determine involve identity politics, after scrutiny? Well, nationality is also worth considering, but yes.

>> No.7160134

>>7158909
Hamsun. I think he's the truest writer.

>> No.7160138

>>7160128
Amazing. You've proven it: white male writers are best, empirically, once you throw out the data you don't like.

>> No.7160143

>>7160138
No data is thrown out. You're just making shit up, now.

>> No.7160151

>>7160143
If the next twenty winners were all black women, would you say that empirically that means that black women are producing the best literature right now?

>> No.7160168

>>7160151
No, because there aren't twenty black women producing the best literature right now.

>> No.7160182

>>7160168
>that would be false because it's false

>> No.7160191

>>7160182
There are other sources of data, you know. You're just latching onto my one example because you don't have a point or maybe you're just autistic

>> No.7160220

Javier Marias

Not happening, but I'm still bummed out Alice Munro won over William Trevor

>> No.7160291

>>7160220
What should I read by Marias?

>> No.7160322

K O U N
O

U
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>> No.7160896

>>7158702
>The only reason he's so high is because people still have the impression that the award is political, even though the past five or so winners haven't been particularly political.
It certainly *is* political, just not in the sense you think. They always give the award to some walking ethnic stereotype. (Or at least someone who they think is an ethnic stereotype.)

>> No.7160912

>>7156827
I'm Murrica and I think Corncob McCarthy is a fucking hack.

>> No.7160942

>>7160896
Oh OK. I think they usually just give it to writers who are pretty famous.

>> No.7160954

This guy for sure.

>>>/r9k/22642316/

>> No.7160959

>>7160954
This isn't taking me anywhere, but I doubt it's something I wanted to see anyway

>> No.7160998

>>7156774
KUNDERA
U
N
D
E
R
A

You heard it here first, anons.

>> No.7161007

>>7160998
This meme is getting annoying.

>> No.7161079

>>7160191
Not that guy, but all you've done is turn your own taste into the yardstick of quality.

>Nobel prize winners determine quality
Because some of them are good—YOU believe

>Nobel prize winners are political
Because some of them are bad—YOU believe

You act like it's empirical but your real premise has been personal.

>> No.7161097

>Committee that decides who gets award doesn't even speak all the languages of the texts
>They literally award authors based on translation
>Literally pleb as fuck
>Literally everyone who gives a shit about this "award" is a pleberino
>twf

>> No.7161099

>>7161097
PLEBERINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.7161100

>>7158916
Ibsen

>> No.7161885

>>7161079
That's not completely true. My opinions are bolstered by those of several experts.

>> No.7161888

>>7161097
I'm sure there are a few who speak Chinese.

>> No.7161900

>>7161885
Except that is equally true of the opinions you are opposing.

>> No.7161923

>>7161900
But, if you scrutinize those, you will see they are influenced by Identity Politics.

>> No.7161942

>>7161923
>But, if you scrutinize those, you will see they are influenced by Identity Politics.

Ugh, this is what is under discussion though.

You've only repeated what you already started out believing.

It's like you going A, me going B, you going C, me going D, and then you just going A again. Not much point.

>> No.7161955

>>7161942
Well, let's drop it, then, and instead discuss the topic of this thread, IE, who you think should win the NObel Prize in Literature. I know who I would like, and 95% of them are White Men, Lol.

>> No.7161961

>>7161955
The irony is I'd probably agree with you anyway...

>> No.7161968

>>7156872
Surprised Richard Flanagan isn't on there when they've got David Malouf, Peter Carey, and Les Murray.

>> No.7162597

>>7161097
>>Committee that decides who gets award doesn't even speak all the languages of the texts
>>They literally award authors based on translation
Wait are you serious?

>> No.7162620

>>7162597
Not everyone on the committee speaks every language in the world.

Between everyone they have pretty much all important languages represented, in multiples for the major languages like European languages/Chinese/Japanese.

Not sure about how it works with random African languages.

>> No.7162628

>>7162620
And for the non-major ones? The only speaker of the language just says "The prose is genius trust me guys lmao"

>> No.7162636

>>7162628
Well the vast majority of the prizes have gone to major language authors.

>> No.7162647

>>7162620
African writers usually just write in English (b/c British colonialism/imperialism LOL)

>> No.7162657

>>7162647
Ye I'm aware. Some African authors right now use both English and various African languages though so I wasn't sure how/if the committee evaluates those.

>> No.7163492

Bump.

>> No.7163617

>>7157658
As well as Faulkner, Hamsun, Yeats, Mann, Shaw, Bergson, Elliot, Beckett, Steinbeck, Kawabatta...

The issues people have with that Nobel is not about the guys who got it, but about how they compare to those who didn't.
>>7158368
Have you looked at the actual statistics ?
>>7158909
Prolly Kawabatta. Haven't read that many Nobel winners anyway. But Kawy-bwatty is great.

>>7160896
Looking at the past winners, that has happened perhaps 5 times in the past 15 years. I think people just focus on one example that marked them. The first prizes were awarded to nationalistic or regionalistic writers because they thought that was what having an "ideal" meant. After WWII they made obviously political choices (Churchill, Russell). Each era has its own political bias, the current committee seems rather tame in that respect.

>> No.7163625

>>7162657
The most "exotic" languages among winners seem to be East Asian languages (mandarin and Japanese, two winners total, though one of them also wrote in French), yiddish and hebrew (perhaps three winners total), and central/eastern european languages (including Russian) that are not that exotic. Everything else is somewhere among Romance, Germanic and Scandinavian languages, plus their derivatives. There really aren't writers of obscure African dialects with a Nobel Prize.

>> No.7163771
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WHEN MURAKAMI IS AWARDED THE NOBEL, HE'LL BRING A QT JAPANESE GIRL ON STAGE, WHIP OUT HIS DICK AND WILL GET HER TO SUCK IT WITHOUT BREAKING EYE CONTACT WITH THE AUDIENCE

>> No.7164517

Keeping this bumped

>> No.7164530

>>7163771
I always imagine him doing that to me when reading his scenes. it was like he was standing over me watching

>> No.7165534

>>7160291
The Infatuations is great

>> No.7165542

>>7159916
I seriously doubt that. Albee, Ashbery, Ozick and of course Roth are the strongest American contenders at the moment.

>> No.7165545

>>7165542
You forgot Corncob McCarthy

>> No.7165555

>>7158909
Of those who have won the prize during my lifetime, Oe, Saramago, Grass, Coetzee, Llosa and Modiano were particularly strong choices.

>> No.7165559

>>7165545
I would be very surprised if he won.

>> No.7165595

Apparently the Americans have nominated Bob Dylan for contention every year since the '90s. No wonder the prize hasn't returned there in a while.

>> No.7165765

>>7156774
these dubs

>> No.7165792

Cartarescu will win it. It's SURE! Bet now.

>> No.7165809

>>7165792
Doubt it. Too young and murky political history. Have seen constant smear campaigning against him at least, which can be enough to scare off the swedes

>> No.7167247

Bump again

>> No.7167513

>>7165595
How does it work? With nominations and countries and what not.

>> No.7167515

Inb4 another old, white male wins again.

>> No.7169029

Bump

>> No.7169177

>>7157465
Le Guin seems to be highly conscious of her "genre fiction". The Left Hand of Darkness opens up with a lengthy introduction basically dissing all of science fiction, and reading the book itself gives you the impression that she was actually trying.

>> No.7169767

>>7167513
>The right to submit proposals for the award of a Nobel Prize in Literature shall, by statute, be enjoyed by:
>1. Members of the Swedish Academy and of other academies, institutions and societies which are similar to it in construction and purpose;
>2. Professors of literature and of linguistics at universities and university colleges;
>3. Previous Nobel Laureates in Literature;
>4. Presidents of those societies of authors that are representative of the literary production in their respective countries.

>For the 2015 Nobel Prize in Literature, the Swedish Academy has received 259 proposals, resulting in 198 nominated persons. Among them, 36 are first time nominees. One of these 198 individuals will be awarded the 2015 Nobel Prize in Literature.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/literature/

I guess there are plenty of American nominees for them to consider.

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>>7158776

>> No.7169832

>>7161097
Well done.

>> No.7170388

>>7169767
Really wish they'd change the rules and just reveal the nominees, maybe after the award is announced. What would that hurt? Are they just trying to avoid criticism from people whose favorite author was nominated but didn't win?

>> No.7170426

>>7170388
I dunno, it might take away from the drama. Most winners had been shortlisted for years before they actually got to collect the award, so if we had access to the shortlist it'd become a lot easier to predict the the winners. It would also mean that the winner would have to share a portion of the attention with four other guys.

>> No.7170435

>>7170426
They could reveal all 200 nominees, but not show the shortlist.

Also, do you know if the people who nominate (or propose a nomination or whatever) are allowed to say who they nominated?

>> No.7170469

>>7170435
>Also, do you know if the people who nominate (or propose a nomination or whatever) are allowed to say who they nominated?

I think they're allowed, but it doesn't seem to be that common. Gordimer claimed to have nominated Ōe the year that he won. But then it's also likely that other parties (e.g. the Japanese academy) nominated him also, if my understanding of the process is correct.

>> No.7170471

>>7170469
And frankly I reckon that the Ladbrokes list already covers many of the more prominent nominees.

>> No.7170500

>>7170471
I don't doubt it, but I'm absolutely certain that there are quite a few nominees that I've never heard of, and that I'd be interested to find out about.