/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.7149941]

>tfw when you realize dfw almost perfectly predicted the rise in popularity of Netflix like services
>tfw he also predicted the effect
>tfw when im 19 and basically everyone I know had no hobbies outside socializing and watching netflix or other streaming shows
>tfw the closest thing to good taste in my college level fiction writing class is someone liking Chuck Pahaliuk

A lot of millennial feels right now, man. I had to share

[Anonymous No.7149948]

>>7149941
dfw can eat my shit with his decaying, homo gay face.

[Anonymous No.7149960]

>>7149948
DFW haters, everybody.

[Anonymous No.7149967]

>>7149941
He was right about a lot of things. Too bad his writing was such a mixed bag.

[Anonymous No.7149975]

>>7149941
>Netflix
This is just a sign you don't know how to use google or have a computer that's insanely vulnerable to viruses. I stream whatever I want maybe a day after it comes out and don't pay for shit. Plus when I'm in Mexico I can torrent nonstop with no possible consequences.

[Anonymous No.7149980]

>>7149975
You're missing the point. I stream everything for free too but netflix is the normie version of that and what most people these days use. He predicted that there would be a service like that, that it would be widely used, and what kind of effect it'd have on people.

[Anonymous No.7150128]

>>7149941
so he 'predicted' that instead of having to watch the mandatory programming of tv channels you'd have a service where you can choose the programs you wanna watch, and the effects would be the same as those addicted to normal TV programming? amazing shit

[Anonymous No.7150918]

4chan is worse and more addictive than netflix

[Anonymous No.7150928]

>outside socializing
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE normie die

[Anonymous No.7150943]

>>7150918
FUCK YOU FOR REMINDING ME

[Anonymous No.7150989]

>tfw overcome crippling social anxiety for three minutes to make it from your dorm room to the library across campus

feels good man

[Anonymous No.7151032]

>>7149941
Holy shit. You just made my day so much worse. I'm in a postmodern lit course where people can't even be fucked to read a hundred pages of Pynchon, let alone Burroughs or anything else worth talking about. IN AN OPTIONAL POSTMODERN LIT COURSE IN A SUPPOSEDLY PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITY. FUCK.
I realized a while ago that I knew a lot of people whose only hobbies were partying and eating up mass-consumer content in unhealthy doses. Perhaps sports as a bonus. What did people do before that?
Meanwhile I sit in my room alone feeling superior and lost.

[Anonymous No.7151040]

>>7150918
4chan can be pretty insightful however.

And funnier than most shows.

Not to mention, it's a pretty autistic form of socialisation, so there's some therapeutic benefits.

[Anonymous No.7151072]

>>7151032

I feel exactly the same, bro.

[Anonymous No.7151102]

>>7151072
Sympathies, bro.

Today I visited the writer's club at my uni's literature faculty (some of the same people as in the pomo lit course), and found that not a single one there is remotely interested in writing anything more challenging than YA or fantasy.

I mean for fucks sake really? Does nobody give a damn about expressing anything real here?

[Anonymous No.7151180]

>>7149980
what effect?

Ah, you mean the same effect television have since like 50s?

[Anonymous No.7151185]

>>7151072
>>7151032
I feel the same, I think I developed some neurosis from it

[Anonymous No.7151195]

Why do you care what others do? If you gain enjoyment and fulfillment from reading your books, then why be bothered by the actions of others if these actions don't directly impede your enjoyment?

DO you often feel you need to control everything?

[Anonymous No.7151214]

>>7149941
>tfw not born in the XIXth century

[Anonymous No.7151223]

>>7151102
>Does nobody give a damn about expressing anything real here?

>2015
>expecting people to care about anything real
Whatever collective illusion these people partake in is much more satisfactory to them than anything real.

>>7151195
How come these posts are still posted? Does anyone even take this kind of post seriously any more?

[Anonymous No.7151225]

It doesn't matter, Netflix is done with upcoming lawsuit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=54A_5naFafc

[Anonymous No.7151251]

>>7149941
"Netflix and chill" is my favorite social phenomenon

[Anonymous No.7151259]

>>7151251
Is it actually real in the US? I'm guessing it started off twitter or something?

[Anonymous No.7151263]

>>7151180

Wow, you seem like such a fun person to be around, I bet you have many meaningful relationships.

[Anonymous No.7151508]

>>7149941

fucking netflix, shit is getting last man tier

I'm really glad I can never seem to find anything worth watching on netflix for the most part. Much better off wasting my time on imageboards.

[Anonymous No.7151516]

>>7149941
I know this feel. Nobody I know really has a hobby outside of socialising or browsing streaming services. I knew someone who went to uni to study filmmaking but he's done nothing with his degree and moved back into small-town-middle-of-buttfuck-nowhere where he won't see any filmmaking work in his life but he's moved back so he can go drinking with people he knew from school.

It's kinda depressing: nothing wrong or against Netflix as I enjoy the service too, but it's not the only thing I do. I can survive on different interests and hobbies outside of socialising and Netflix whereas many others I know cannot.

[Anonymous No.7151541]

>tfw you let go of irony

[Anonymous No.7151547]

Reading these posts make me worry.
I thought I was just surrounded by people not interested in ''difficult'' literature/music/films due to being in a shit tier school in a shit tier city, but I've heard from someone who did higher education that it's the same there, and now people in this thread as well, who I assume go to semi-decent schools

[Anonymous No.7151565]

>>7151259
black twitter
black people socialize enough for ten timid white american populations

[Anonymous No.7151577]

>>7151508
I never really understood why I should bother with a netflix subscrip when cursorily non-terrible websearch skills can pull up any program in hd.

Often ripped off straight from Netflix.

[Anonymous No.7151588]

lol who the fuck cares? oh no normies being normies waaaah why can't they all be serious intellectuals like myself fucking millennials so vapid muh social culture everyone should be shut in book nerds like me, if they enjoy something else it's fucking DUMB!

you're lucky you weren't born a few centuries ago or else you wouldn't even know how to read because none of you are 1%

[Anonymous No.7151606]

>>7151541
Irony won't save you from anything; humor doesn't do anything at all. You can look at life ironically for years, maybe decades; there are people who seem to go through most of their lives seeing the funny side, but in the end, life always breaks your heart. Doesn't matter how brave you are, or how reserved, or how much you've developed a sense of humor, you still end up with your heart broken. That's when you stop laughing.

[Anonymous No.7151608]

>>7151606
gay
a
y

[Anonymous No.7151610]

>>7151541
Sincerity is nice.

[Anonymous No.7151650]

>>7151588
Mate what the fuck are you going on about. OP is not making the "special snowflake" argument as much as he's stating that technology has delivered these novel services that make people complacent, and overall prompt anti-intellectualism.

[Anonymous No.7151675]

Dfw taught me to stop living a life of ironic detachment, being cynical, making fun of everything, thinking life was a big joke. People used to call me the funniest person theyd ever met because i had this mordant deadpan take on everything. One day i was meditating longer than i ever had before and i went deeper into myself than i ever had before and i found this subterranean layer of deep fear and anxiety that i realized i was carrying around with me constantly and was the real source of my constant ironic commentary on everything. I realized that sometimes even though i didnt mean to i could be cruel to people with my jokes and that when i made fun of my friends it was because i couldnt resist because i was addicted to everyones laughter and their calling me funny. I realized that dfw had been talking about living more sincerely and compassionately in all his books and that i had even echoed his sentiments to my friends and i would talk about his books all the time without even realizing that i was the embodiment of the sort of too-cool-for-school, surrounded-by-morons, cynical, pessimistic, sardonic attitude he'd been telling me for years led to the personal misery that i thought was just a part of life. So wallace didnt change my life per se, it was more that i came to realize that he was right the whole time, and ive let go of my toxic attitudes that were really, i came to realize, defense mechanisms, psychological shields, developed to deal with the shock of adolescence, that i kept cultivating and never let go of.

[Anonymous No.7151699]

>>7151032
burroughs is SHIT

[Anonymous No.7151704]

>>7151675

>Meditation
>Being this sincere

[Anonymous No.7151710]

>>7151040
>4chan can be pretty insightful however.
Fuck off normie roastie reddit kike shill smh tbh fam big guy for you

[Anonymous No.7151722]

>>7151675
so did you stop being funny?

[Anonymous No.7151723]

>>7151259
It started a long, long time ago, this is just the natural progression of it since Netflix is now the main movie source. It used to be just "come over for a movie", and if a guy said that to a girl it was very clear what was happening.

[Anonymous No.7151734]

>>7149941
>no hobbies
What are some good hobbies?

[Anonymous No.7151748]

>>7151032
What supposedly prestigious university? At mine most people read, and when they don't it's usually because they didn't have time due to some other course having an exam or paper due.

[Anonymous No.7151760]

Why are hobbies superior to having fun with friends?

Why is reading 'deep' shit superior to having fun with friends?

[Anonymous No.7151774]

>>7149941
Yesterday in my economics class a guy in-front of me popped out his computer and started to watch "leaked military" videos on YouTube. Then he started surfing the Marines' official website.

>tfw the lecture by the professor was about the military industrial complex and government-corporation relations.

[Anonymous No.7151786]

>>7151734
Literature

[Anonymous No.7151873]

It just seems so fucked up to spend hours and hours watching mediocre television shows. It's their time I guess.

[Anonymous No.7151880]

>>7151225
who is this? I love her

[Anonymous No.7151881]

>>7151675
thanks for this post

[Anonymous No.7151891]

>>7151760
Spending too much time alone inevitably gets depressing, and spending too much time with others leaves you craving some personal time. Ideally you find a balance between the two.

[Anonymous No.7151895]

>>7151873
That part's not really a millenial thing though. I guess having more choice might make netflix more of a timesuck for some the way TV has been for three or so generations now, but in my case the ability to stream whatever I choose to watch online just makes me think even less of shitty shows and lets me spend less time with commercials and shit when I do decide something's worth seeing.

[Anonymous No.7151899]

>>7151760
I think 4chan promotes this elitism because it is so critical. At the end of the day, we can have a million reasons to think that netlix is the bane of society etc. but being judgmental probably does much more harm than good. what's the worst that could happen, you have to sit through some boring movie that doesn't appeal to you? it's not cool to judge others for being plebs. this is something I'm struggling very hard to let go of.

[Anonymous No.7151905]

>>7149941

1984 predicted newspeak on the nose with texting and shit

but ya I know what you mean, I can not even take a writing class at my college without getting angry with everyone

[Anonymous No.7151908]

>>7151873
If someone can find in a mediocre television show the same sense of awe and beauty you find in your favorite works of literature, well isn't that a good thing?

[Anonymous No.7151910]

>>7151891
Everyone gets a little time alone, it's near impossible to be wit someone at all times.
Essentially what I mean is why if offered 10 times to either go out with friends, read or collect stamps someone chooses going out with friends every time is this a lesser choice than another.
Some people like going out with friends more than doing anything else. The implicit Faggotry of this thread is that they are lesser because of this and doing those other things makes you better.
As for good reasons why this is apparently so, of course there are none given

[Anonymous No.7151915]

>>7151905
>1984 predicted newspeak on the nose with texting and shit
Nope, The Clockwork Orange predicted it.

Modern text-language is quite organic in nature, being formed over 20 years. The language or "accent" isn't being controlled and wasn't created by some overarching governmental power.

[Anonymous No.7151920]

>>7151915

Clockwork orange did too but 1984 was way more direct about it

[Anonymous No.7151931]

>>7151873
whereas posting on 4chan is the way a superior being who has real grasp of things passes his time

[Anonymous No.7151951]

>>7151920
No, I'm saying that your comparison between 1984's language and modern texting is flawed. In 1984 Orwell shows how the government is so complete in its power, that it literally controls the way people talk.
Our world's texting dialect is a result of a desire to get information across faster, and generally not caring about grammatical structure (like in the Clockwork Orange when Alex talks to his 'droogs' in a very loose way).

I agree with you that both systems are garbage, but they aren't similar.

[Anonymous No.7151959]

>>7150918
I have some perverse pride about using 4chan though that I don't have about netflix

Like, everyone thinks 4chan is this den of shit, and for the most part it is, but there is the occasional post or thread that is so rewarding that it makes everything seem worth it.

Also, I feel a sense of community through antisocial behavior here. It's an odd sensation, and I really enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.7151968]

>>7151748
Not the guy you're responding to, but I went to McGill University, which while it's not Harvard or anything, is the most prestigious school in Canada.

Most people's only hobbies were watching TV, partying, drinking, and smoking weed.
People, really smart people who I think are smarter than I am, define themselves by what popular media they consume. As if liking comic books is some sort of a substitute for having a real identity and a philosophy of life.

So yeah, I think you can see this sort of thing at a prestigious university.

[Anonymous No.7152002]

I used to be addicted to marathoning shows. Think "FarScape" was rock bottom, real eye opener after you watched 15 eps of some shit with puppets in it

[Anonymous No.7152016]

>>7151675

top kek you are so meta-ironic that you can ironize sincerity

your post is gold

[Anonymous No.7152029]

>>7149941
>I'm better than everyone

[Anonymous No.7152037]

>>7151675

what did you read from dfw?

[Anonymous No.7152086]

>>7151895

You're right I didn't mean to single out millenials for this

>>7151908

They can do whatever they want I just find it very odd. Personally I'd rather stare at blank wall for an hour than watch netflix or tv. The only tv I ever watch is brief snatches of sportsball games between sets at the gym. I find it a bit distracting and don't really get why a gymnasium requires ten television screens. A lot of my disdain for television watchers comes from the sheer amount of time people spend watching television, look at the statistics in pic related, it's incredible.

>>7151931

I don't spend nearly as much time on 4chan as the average person spends watching tv. Most people also spend hours on facebook, twitter, instagram, reddit, etc etc, which I avoid. I check my fb once a week at most.

Who knows maybe I just have autism.

[Anonymous No.7152098]

>>7152086
>I'm superior because I have a poor social life

Certainly autism, friend

[Anonymous No.7152230]

>>7151951
This
Texting wasn't created as a way of influencing the way people think, whereas newspeak is inherently built toward making people think in line with what the government wants

[Anonymous No.7152259]

>>7151040
>as an enlightened 20 year old white male
>4chan can be pretty insightful however.

[Anonymous No.7152279]

>>7149975
Hey little autist, how about you improve your reading comprehension skills, you stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.7152802]

>>7151102
>Does nobody give a damn about expressing anything real here?
What is "real?" The dyke doing shitty beat poetry about the beauty of discovering her lesbianism at the university cafe's open mic night? Some pretentious asshole who spent a week doing drugs on his parents' dime in Europe and now, like, totally knows life, man?

[Anonymous No.7154417]

>>7151606
I'm dying smiling; just to spite you.

[Anonymous No.7154467]

>>7149941

Internet in general is one big, behavioural social sink experiment, ever hear of the rat city and addiction? Internet is kind of similar to that and it's getting worse every year, especially combined with the fact not just Americans, but everyone else in the world is being incredibly dumbed down just so that film studios can make some easy money.

Anyone else find it worrying that the only way to stop babbies crying now is to get them to watch some shitty Youtube channel? I'm worried for our future.

[Anonymous No.7154567]

>>7151195
The other anons right, this sentiment is such stake bullshit I cant believe some people still believe it.

Liking something by yourself will never be enough. Who doesnt naturally want to share their interests? But uh oh, for people who give a shit about things other than hollow substanceless socialization and that POS movie that came out last weak and that lame as fuck indie song thats ironically sweeping the nation have no one. So they come here for faggots like this to spout this apologetic nonsense.

[Anonymous No.7154617]

>>7149941
It's always been to some degree like this. All the stuff that turns out to be cool what you're calling normies either didn't know about or actively disparaged. But when it becomes cool they were all in on ground zero.

[Anonymous No.7154628]

>>7154617
I think I'm coming down with a cold. What I mean to say is most people just watch TV or whatever the equivalent is and then make up stories about how they raved it up or whatever. Like people are very much bullshitters. The only thing I've noticed more of now is a "we don't go out because we're very grown up" type of attitude becoming way more prevalent.

[Anonymous No.7154684]

>>7154567
>Liking something by yourself will never be enough. Who doesnt naturally want to share their interests?
This is some wild non sequitur shit right here.

ITT: Teenagers

[Anonymous No.7154780]

>>7149941
Oh look a jew.

Op's Picture is Unrelated to /lit/, ban and delete please mods

[Anonymous No.7154792]

>>7152002
Me too mate, after 7 seasons of scrubs I finally realized what the hell I was doing. That shit changed my life, now I cant stand hanging out with friends who just sit inside, smoke weed and watch netflix for 6 hours every night.

[Anonymous No.7155061]

>>7154792
>now I cant stand hanging out with friends who just sit inside, smoke weed and watch netflix for 6 hours every night.
Me too. It's a shame that it's about the only thing people do at my uni.

[Anonymous No.7155073]

>>7151606
Fucking ow

[Anonymous No.7155119]

>>7152002
>Think "FarScape" was rock bottom
niqqa fuck off. Farscape is THE shit. rygel provided the bantz, aeryn was a qt and chriton was in tight leather pants. what more can you ask for apart from a budget?

[Anonymous No.7155144]

>>7151905
But telegraph operators already had something similar to text speak in late XIX century, m8

[Anonymous No.7155207]

>>7155119
People often complain about Ben Bowder's acting but I prefer it to most star trek shit and I think it works for the character

[Anonymous No.7155375]

Netflix is great and the novel is by all means an artform that died in the 20th century.

Netflix pacifies the masses. Before mass media plebs did literally nothing but getting drunk, fucking and fighting. We live in an age of near post-scarcity panem et circenses. Be grateful.

[Anonymous No.7155585]

>>7155375

>Netflix pacifies the masses. Before mass media plebs did literally nothing but getting drunk, fucking and fighting. We live in an age of near post-scarcity panem et circenses. Be grateful.

People still enjoy getting drunk and fighting but now people would rather watch that happen on Netflix.

[Anonymous No.7155604]

>>7151760
It gets incredibly old after a while. Unless your friends have very different lives or you friend-group-hop a lot, you'll probably have a lot of boring conversations that sound like your previous boring conversations (and drugs only numb you so much to that boredom). The most enjoyable part of "'deep' shit" is that not only do you learn specific facts to share, you also develop a worldview that frames your interpretation of real life - both of these things make you more valuable to be around to other people if they're similarly mentally exploratory.

[Anonymous No.7155610]

I think in the 90s when you had the internet and 24 hour cable television it wasn't too difficult to see where it was all going to go.

Frankly it seems weird that television still exists.

[Anonymous No.7155618]

>>7149941
>I had to share
fuck off you shitposting cunt

[Anonymous No.7155626]

>>7155585
Exactly, they do less of it. Which is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.7155639]

>>7150918
Pic related

[Anonymous No.7155658]

>>7151760

>Why are hobbies superior to having fun with friends?

They're not. This false dichotomy is destructive. Having hobbies and friends is superior to having just hobbies or just friends. If you have just hobbies, you become extremely lonely. If you have just friends, you become extremely boring because you exhaust everything you know in conversation over the course of a couple years.

>Why is reading 'deep' shit superior to having fun with friends?

Same false dichotomy. If you read deep shit you can have more fun with friends, you can be a better friend because you can help them with deep problems, you can choose better friends, etc. Not having friends actively harms your ability to do a lot of human based deep shit and also makes you lonely.


If you have no friends you end up shriveled up and depressed, or you end up focused on something, probably, nobody gives a shit about, like collecting pictures of pepe. If you're lucky you're like Tesla and you create a bunch of stuff for fun, but then you end up not being able to make the social changes you want with it, and possibly fucked by an Edison.

[Anonymous No.7155886]

>>7152037
Like at the very least two thirds of all the threads.

[Anonymous No.7155982]

>>715160>>7151675
So now you are an unfunny faggot. Congrats

[Anonymous No.7156014]

>>7152230
Couldn't you argue that while texting was invented to influence thought, corporations and the government (people in power) are attempting to co-opt the slang in order to influence people? Does anyone remember that article that said the government had invested in researching irony in order to use it for their own gain? Researching language patterns and using them with subtlety could influence the masses easily.
Government using irony to their advantage being a idea also talked about it Infinite Jest

[Anonymous No.7156019]

>>7156014
dammit forgot

[Anonymous No.7156022]

>>7156019
*Texting was invented to influence thought
sage-

[Anonymous No.7156034]

>>7151040
>>7151959
Both of you are fucking delusional

[Anonymous No.7156067]

>15 years ago try to raise capital for Netflix streaming service
>Literally every single VC "But people like collecting physical media, that's stupid"

I literally had that up until around 2006-2007 until I gave up, then Netflix switched to streaming from physical delivery and took over the world.

[Anonymous No.7156302]

>>>7152230

[Anonymous No.7156339]

>>7156014
>metal gear solid v becomes real
>art imitates life imitates art imitates life and so on and so on

[Anonymous No.7156364]

>>7151223
>Whatever collective illusion these people partake in is much more satisfactory to them than anything real.

Anon you just made me realize how much of a fraud I am. I need to go for a walk or something, fucking hell...

[Anonymous No.7156624]

>>7151748
>>7151968
I went to Princeton. No one in my classes did all the readings. I literally never met a person who did all the readings in any class.

[Anonymous No.7156688]

>>7156624
Same thing happened at my school. Not quite princeton but still prestigious(Princeton of the South, lek)

I saw peers read wiki before class. And they were academic superstars who now have lucrative consulting jobs.

I was shunned for reading during freshman year. I learned to be more subtle about it. But by it shattered the romantic notion I had of college.

[Anonymous No.7156689]

>>7149941
>college level fiction writing
Don't worry, they're undergraduates. People bitch about the MFA, but the literal worst thing for writing is really ONLY having a BFA Creative Writing. Undergrad classes are shite. MFA classes are shite if your program exceeds 30 people, all genres combined.

[Anonymous No.7156716]

>>7156688
duke is definitely still good school

yes I had the exact same experience. I remember freshman year I took this application-only course trying to cover around a 30 book western canon starting with Homer and going to Dante.

We had four months to do our three pre-reading assignments, and when I arrived at school I met three kids who hadn't even started but were so ready to say that "omg this class is so cool yeah im so passionate about this i looove reading." It genuinely broke my heart.

[Anonymous No.7156731]

>>7154467
What the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.7156765]

>>7156624
>>7156688
>>7156716
I used to hook up with some girls from Harvard, and they just got drunk 6 nights a week. Shit was bizarre because they had extremely prestigious internships and such. I don't know if they're just way more efficient than me, expert cheaters, or what.