How can he be so fucking good? He's right about literally everything. I had no idea that there was a writer working in the 21st century who was a legit genius. I'm honestly astonished that fiction this philosophically interesting is being produced in 2015. I thought fiction was dead.

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Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:05:21 2015 No.7147874 [Reply] [Original]

How can he be so fucking good?

He's right about literally everything.

I had no idea that there was a writer working in the 21st century who was a legit genius.

I'm honestly astonished that fiction this philosophically interesting is being produced in 2015. I thought fiction was dead.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:09:10 2015 No.7147891

I couldn't believe it either, especially whatever and elementary particles. He blows the fuck out of modern feminism in the first 4 pages of whatever and the book was written in the 90s.

BEE agrees with us. He said that Houellebecw was the best / most relevant euro author today (can't remember which he said).

I can't believe how weaksauce most media is compared to his books

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:10:35 2015 No.7147898 because you're a straight white male

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:12:50 2015 No.7147907 His prose is not great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:13:33 2015 No.7147909 he's an angry 16 year old stuck in 60 year old's body who is somewhat famous and actually deemed somewhat important for being edgy. This is why you and some of this board think he's so fucking good

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:13:57 2015 No.7147911 >>7147874 Isn't he rather too much of a cynic and edgy pessimist though? I read Platform and Particles and likes those, but I'm not that impresses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:14:07 2015 No.7147912 >>7147898 explain plz

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:15:58 2015 No.7147917 >>7147874 >literally everything. >in the 21st century who was a legit genius. >fiction this philosophically interesting is being produced in 2015. I thought fiction was dead. You have school tomorrow. Say goodnight.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:16:12 2015 No.7147918 >>7147911 The thing I like about Houellebecq's pessimism is it's not absolute but more a condemnation of contemporary society.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:17:32 2015 No.7147928 >>7147874 What are his best books?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:18:56 2015 No.7147935 >>7147928 I finished Whatever last week and I'm halfway through Elementary Particles now. I don't know if the other ones are good or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:30:25 2015 No.7147988 >>7147909 yes, a 16 year old who's been through 2 divorces and is a father

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:37:47 2015 No.7148010

>>7147912
Does it really need to be said?

Houellebecq is probably the best living person at articulating the neuroses of straight white men. You're drawn to him for that reason, not because he's "right" in some grander sense, but because he's capturing something you sympathize with that other authors have failed to.

I like Houellebecq as writer, but that doesn't mean I agree with his ideas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:41:20 2015 No.7148019 Isn't there anyone as edgy as him who isn't a shit author? Because I want to like him but this guy is terrible, man

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:44:05 2015 No.7148029 >>7148010 white men are neurotic about the direction of liberalism?

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:49:16 2015 No.7148043

>>7148019
>tfw your next novel is going to be edgy as shit
>tfw you want to pay special attention to prose
>tfw it's going to be genre fiction

Maybe I should do literary fiction instead. I'm scared though, I'm just not talented enough. Also giant robots are cool.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:52:52 2015 No.7148053 >>7148029 that's pretty self-evident

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:56:31 2015 No.7148064 >>7147891 >blows the fuck out of modern feminism in the first 4 pages of course he did. look at him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:58:43 2015 No.7148073 >>7148043 >giant robots No, sorry, dropped

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 15:58:55 2015 No.7148074

>>7148010

I think you're provincializing his ideas too much.

The phenomena he talks about are most relevant to "straight white males" today, but they're basically applicable to any society at the end of its road. You could conceivably use Houellebecq to talk about how people thought and felt in the late Ottoman Empire.

The fact that his analysis is "of" straight white male society, doesn't mean that it's not applicable to the world outside of that narrow bubble.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:02:18 2015 No.7148082 >>7147874 Are you guys serious that he has legitimate philosophical merit, or are you just cheery because he is bitter towards women? I might pick up something, but misogyny doesn't really sit that well with me. I'm way to well-adjusted for that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:05:03 2015 No.7148085 I lean conservative and even I think Huoellebecq's a pretty crappy writer. Just like most leftist writers, he repackages the same old arguments inside "edgy" stories and then pretends as if it were some new, profound thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:05:19 2015 No.7148086 >>7148082 If you think "misogyny" is the main idea of Houellebecq's ideas, then you have a lot of reading to do, fuckboi

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:10:46 2015 No.7148099 >im a slob like you >women dont know what they want >time is a flat circle

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:15:43 2015 No.7148116 >>7148099 >time is a flat circle Cohle's words.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:17:55 2015 No.7148128 >>7148082 >misogyny go back to tumblr faggot

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:18:32 2015 No.7148131

>>7148086

You don't have to put misogyny in quotation marks. It's a real word. But thanks anyway. Awesome post.

I've never read anything by him. I was wondering if he is just r9k incarnate with:

>feminism bad
>islam bad
>liberals bad
>let's all be conservative

Or if there is legitimate philosophical merit in his work. Is there?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:19:32 2015 No.7148133 >>7148128 Did this board become r9k2 today or what? I woke up this morning and there were loads of frogpeople threads too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:19:41 2015 No.7148135 >>7147874 Damn this face. He look from the 1700s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:22:30 2015 No.7148141 >>7147874 WHERE IS HIS UPPER LIP!?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:23:22 2015 No.7148145 >>7148131 Not the previous anon, but he is clearly no robot and does not make any claim about your greentext.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:27:13 2015 No.7148158 >>7148145 Cool. Take it as what it is then, uninformed prejudice. Any recommendations as to a good start with him?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:32:21 2015 No.7148181 >le white male neurosis >bigot reactionary writer >racist anti-islamist >muh muhsogyny >muh le cant handle strong liberated wymynz >le didnt read the book, but will still judge yeah great thread you homos, how does it feel to be the tumblr of 4chan?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:36:53 2015 No.7148201 >>7148141 >>7148135 What's wrong with his face tho? He just looks like your average unkempt,rugged old guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:37:51 2015 No.7148206 >>7148181 Offended

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:39:36 2015 No.7148215

>>7148158
I started with the elementary particles, which is his shortest and one of his best. It will probably give you a good insight into all his themes (apart from politics). And it won't be too long a read if you dislike it.
I also recommend you to give a try to his poetry (if it is ever transleted), he wrote surprisingly good sonnets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:54:51 2015 No.7148278 >>7148181 Second-hand embarrassment from the stupidity of your post

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 16:58:36 2015 No.7148287 >>7148278 whats the embarrassment, fatty? this fucking disgrace of a board, where people judge books without even reading them?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:03:48 2015 No.7148304 >>7148287 >this fucking disgrace of a board, where people judge books without even reading them? is this your first time here? well, do I have something to tell you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:06:18 2015 No.7148311 >>7148304 not my first time, but i left long ago because of memes and other cancer, came back and its even worse

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:06:59 2015 No.7148316 >>7148304 >that's how we do it here, so it's good

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:12:04 2015 No.7148333 >>7148311 Maybe you should return to r9k. Fuck I hate frogpeople.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:13:16 2015 No.7148338 >>7148131 >>islam bad there is no way you can think islam isn't bad unless you're a muslim yourself. i can understand everything else, but islam is horrible. >inb4 "muh christfag"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:13:42 2015 No.7148341 >>7148333 would rather post with robots than sjws tbch

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:16:41 2015 No.7148353
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>>7148333
>>7148341
r9k is an absolute toilet, i always laughed at you beta lusers crying over beautiful maiden waifus with braided blonde hair, much like i laugh about the other fatty posting in this thread trying to create a safe space or whatever the fuck she trying to do

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:18:38 2015 No.7148360 >>7148133 All of 4chan has become r9k2

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:20:14 2015 No.7148366 >>7148360 You mean /pol/ with a dash of /r9k/ and stale /tv/ memes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:35:42 2015 No.7148423 >>7148338 Please elucidate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:40:37 2015 No.7148438 I really enjoyed The Map And The Territory. Anyone else read it? (Oh wait, that's not what this thread is about)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:41:58 2015 No.7148441 >>7148010 There are a lot of other sites where you can act like a pastiche of an upper middle class hipster babby

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:42:58 2015 No.7148445 >>7148438 I just read a synopsis, and it looks interesting. Is it profound?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 17:54:16 2015 No.7148493 >>7148445 It is quite profound,and somewhat subtler than his previous works. It handles the themes of ageing and art beautifully, it left me with a lot of feels in the end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 19:35:57 2015 No.7148906 >>7148029 No shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 19:45:01 2015 No.7148930 >>7148131 >>7148338 should really be >feminism mostly bad >islam mostly bad >liberals mostly bad >conservatives mostly bad >let's all take things on a case-by-case basis and stop prioritising ideology over human lives

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 19:53:19 2015 No.7148949 Atomised legit made me want to kill myself.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:40:51 2015 No.7149132

>>7148366
>>7148949

/pol/ here. Can confirm Houellebecq is the most based writer of our times. 10/10

Atomised was mindblowing, esp the end.
Reading Submission is really heavy now, because it's way too real. I don't even feel like I'm reading fiction.
Didn't make that feeling go away today when I saw that Le Pen is on trial for racism (as were Houellebecq and Charlie Hebdo publicists of course).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:42:16 2015 No.7149140 >>7149132 /pol/ pls go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:46:01 2015 No.7149162 >>7149140 Nice meme. No. :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:48:56 2015 No.7149180 >>7149162 Okay, you can stay. But pls be nice. also >denying that Le Pen is racist

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:53:21 2015 No.7149199

>>7149180
>implying jailing someone for their words/views is ever ok
>especially when she leads one of the most popular parties in the country
>especially when the country just had a giant kumbaya about how much they love and value freedom of expression

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:54:25 2015 No.7149202 >>7148353 > picture I'm ashamed to say I have a thick boner

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:55:59 2015 No.7149207 >>7149199 I didn't imply any of this though.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 20:59:15 2015 No.7149216
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>>7147928

Start with: Whatever
Next: Platform
After that: The map and the territory
After that: Submission

Don't bother: Atomised (Elementary Particles) and The Possibility of an Island

Follow this and you will be grateful.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:02:06 2015 No.7149226

Houllebecq's greatness is that modern literature has rejected the anecdote, in favor of grand sweeping scientific theories of human existence.

Life is lived anecdotally, n=1, and Houllebecq gets that. All of societies pathologies don't mean shit except to how they effect an individual person in their own life, and his books reflect that...his characters live IN a society, but their suffering is singular.

It's a great argument for being careful of how we try to change and tweak the human ecosystem and how real people are really hurt by these great scientific arbiters of modern psychology and human engineering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:13:33 2015 No.7149253 >>7149202 Right there with you tbh.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:16:26 2015 No.7149261

>>7147935

Map and the Territory is the only other one that's a must-read imo. Submission is great if you're interested in his less angsty socio-political commentary. Platform and The Possibility of an Island are his weakest novels, though not without their own merit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:17:33 2015 No.7149267 File: 33 KB, 640x211, dicky d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7147912 tumblr rhetoric

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:17:54 2015 No.7149268 >>7147988 Yes, exactly. You basically just confirmed what I was trying to say. Yes, in spite of all these factors, he is an adolescent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:18:25 2015 No.7149270 >>7148338 If you read Submission you'll realize his ideas about Islam (At this point in his life and career) really aren't all that condemning. His view of moderate islam is actually kind of attractive.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:19:53 2015 No.7149275 Ok, I just checked out Whatever. At what point does Houellebecq stop being Palanhuik?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:23:31 2015 No.7149293 >>7148133 fuck off clam

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:41:58 2015 No.7149372 >>7148010 What makes you think op or most of 4chan is still straight white male? I'm one out of three of those but I still dig his writing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:47:28 2015 No.7149389 >>7149275 kek, yeah i read two of his longer books, but honestly I couldn't get past 10 pages of Whatever. Maybe I'll pick it up in the future...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:48:57 2015 No.7149394 >>7149372 gay white male detected

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:49:43 2015 No.7149396 >>7148043 In what way do you think literary fiction would be harder?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:52:21 2015 No.7149404 File: 27 KB, 551x350, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7149394 Straight chinese female

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:53:23 2015 No.7149411 >>7149404 Chinese people are pretty cool and their women take good care of themselves. You can stay.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:53:56 2015 No.7149412

>>7149389
So far the only reason I can see to continue was if I had already read Bukowksi/Burroughs/Miller and craved an extra level of pretension. Does Houellebecq add anything to edgy canon that hasn't already been said? I'm starting to feel like he's Camus for channers

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:56:21 2015 No.7149420 >>7149404 Oh fucking please, like being asian isn't the same as being white. Probably better too, because all the racist stereotypes are an employer's wet dream.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:58:18 2015 No.7149426 Why is it some women are infuriated by some men?

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:59:01 2015 No.7149429

>>7149412
I don't know any of those names, but I agree with previous poster that Platform had merit even if it's one of his weaker novels. Elementary Particles/Atomised took a very strong intellect to produce imho, though parts of it were a slough to get through. And I am >>7149132. Submission is very good so far--although I'm glad the translation was delayed forcing me to read some of his other works first

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 21:59:48 2015 No.7149430
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>>7149226
Interesting posts. I wrote about this in the other thread awhile ago.

Houellebecq uses his alter egoes to illustrate the European lifestyle and its collapse. His novels are almost an ethnologist describing different Europeans' choices and identities(or the lack thereof, for example that of the schizoid and the depersonalized).

> The Map and the Territory:
The representation of a subject(double entendre) is not the subject. The unrepressed (central) ego (Jed Martin) , partly conscious and attached to the ideal object(art), represses the other two objects, the exciting (libidinal) object (his Russian gf) and rejecting (antilibidinal) object(Michel Houellebecq's alter ego), together with the aspects of the ego related to them (the libidinal ego and antilibidinal ego, known as subsidiary egos). This book is about a schizoid subject. In the book, Michel's alterego describes himself as an ethnologist. There are a few quotes directly addressing this motif.

> Platform:
The sexually liberated subject subject, who yet conservatively stays in a "true" rellationship with his colleague when inadvertantly serving as the ideaman for the industry, analyzes sex tourism on a "meta-moral" highground -- so does the ambivalent reader. Note the lengthy discussion on masochism, which describes western sexuality being too logical and its imperialism of the unconditional love that $$$ can buy. With a nod to Alex Garland, he talks about the "double-bind paradox" in tourism, which means that the traveler's frenetic search for places that aren't "touristy" is always undermined by his very presence. The Deus Ex Machina ending of an Islamic bombing creates a contrived dichotomy between global sex liberation and Islamism but is not duly justified(his only argument being radicalism = bad). After the bombing, the subject experiences ego death as he mourns over his conservative love relationship as he finally accepts the double-bind of sex tourism.

> The Elementary Particles and Whatever
read my last post on warosu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:04:16 2015 No.7149443 >>7149404 what do you like about wellback?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:05:23 2015 No.7149449 Can someone upload Submission? Thank in advance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:07:17 2015 No.7149452 File: 1.04 MB, 986x909, tumblr_nfo5uinTDW1qmkli8o4_r2_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7149404 I'm Chinese too. I wonder what % of /lit/ populace is Asian/Asian American since it's the most educated board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:13:16 2015 No.7149463 >>7148053 >>7148906 Neurotic isn't the right word. It's just they're constantly attacked by it and feel the need to defend themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:31:46 2015 No.7149513 >>7148010 oh man you sure are stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:33:25 2015 No.7149518 >>7147928 Submission is the novel of the decade.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:41:24 2015 No.7149551 Y'all are making this guy sound like the Dostoevsky of the 21st century

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:47:20 2015 No.7149574 File: 64 KB, 360x640, tumblr_nfo5uinTDW1qmkli8o6_r1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7149551 give me a reason why he's not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:49:03 2015 No.7149581 >>7147891 Who BEE

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:49:43 2015 No.7149585 >>7149551 there are very few 'writers' around that aren't grating and insufferable

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:53:14 2015 No.7149599 >>7149420 shit, go back to the place you came from, seriously, you dont belong

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:54:44 2015 No.7149607 >>7149412 I don't think Houellebecq is in any way like the other writers you just namedropped.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 22:58:02 2015 No.7149619 >>7149551 I'm reading his interview with the Paris Review and he discusses the idea that, like Dostoevsky discussed the question of the existence of god, he ponders the question of the existence of love in this modern world - it was very alluring.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:02:42 2015 No.7149633 >>7149551 >shitty prose stylist that's celebrated for criticism of modern life and the alienation it brings from a reactionary perspective that he hides in okay stories seems apt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:03:09 2015 No.7149635 >>7147898 >>7148010 Tripe - that argument can be applied to your appeal against his reasoning as well as extreme feminism itself. >"you like him because he appeals to your thoughts" >"I don't like him because he doesn't appeal to my thoughts"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:04:54 2015 No.7149640 File: 437 KB, 2055x2048, 1431209903044.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this is also the book whose existence could have been the most difficult to anticipate in the year 1900. >anticipating books a century ahead

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:05:15 2015 No.7149641
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LOL HOUELLEBECQ MORE LIKE HOUELLEDGE

Fucking 4chan turns people with an actual education into dumbasses unable to engage in any serious debate without making shitty personal attacks on authors, other anons and philospophers.
It's like all that money teaching this generation critical thinking goes down the drain by spending the equal amount of time in class online in the comment sections.

LEL SCHOPENHAUER WAS LE MISOGYNISTIC CUZ REJECTED BETAFAGLORD HAHA OPINION DISCARDED

If this is how this generation is going to engage in debates, I hope ISIS wins.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:05:39 2015 No.7149643 >>7149452 >>7149574 enjoying these aesthetics tbh

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:06:05 2015 No.7149646 >>7149633 Yeah, that's pretty much the exact comparison I was thinking of

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:07:22 2015 No.7149649 >>7149452 >>7149404 >tfw had a chinese gf with unbelievable thickness / ass >her family was uber wealthy whereas I'm not >sometimes I see her from across the uni, get boner but also cry It hurts to live.

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:08:03 2015 No.7149652

“The terrible predicament of a beautiful girl is that only an experienced womanizer, someone cynical and without scruple, feels up to the challenge. More often than not, she will lose her virginity to some filthy lowlife in what proves to be the first step in an irrevocable decline.”
— Michel Houellebecq

/lit/ will retort that this is not true. Just like you can't say dogs have 4 legs because they saw a three legged one a few days ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:10:00 2015 No.7149660 File: 110 KB, 1054x270, Screenshot_1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7149640 Why is this post deleted?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:10:59 2015 No.7149664 File: 117 KB, 339x330, houellepepe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I like smug contrarians that rile people up tbh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:11:37 2015 No.7149667 >>7149660 because i posted it in the wrong thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:12:27 2015 No.7149671 >>7149667 How do you delete posts?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:13:03 2015 No.7149673 >>7149652 Oh yeah, well I'll bet you're such a Nice Guy, Lol!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:13:57 2015 No.7149677 File: 19 KB, 519x142, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anything else I can help you with today?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:14:25 2015 No.7149679 >>7149671 Check the box next to Anonymous, then click the Delete button on the bottom right of the page. You can only delete posts after a few minutes have passed, but not after like 30 minutes or so have passed. You cannot delete threads.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:15:06 2015 No.7149681 >>7149677 >>7149671

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:15:10 2015 No.7149683 >>7149673 LELLLLL EBINNNNNNN LE OBESE MAN WITH THE OUTDATED AESTHETIC MAYMAY RITE GUISE?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:15:41 2015 No.7149686 >>7149671 hello! welcome to 4chan! http://www.4chan.org/faq

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:16:18 2015 No.7149688
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>>7149641

Therein resides the dark side of the sexual liberation” of the 1960s: the full commodification of sexuality. Houellebecq depicts the morning after Sexual Revolution, the sterility of the universe dominated by the superego injunction to enjoy. All of his work focuses on the antinomy of love and sexuality: sex is an absolute necessity, to renounce it is to whither away, so love cannot flourish without sex; simultaneously, however, love is impossible precisely because of sex: sex, which “proliferates as the epitome of late capitalism’s dominance, has permanently stained human relationships as inevitable reproductions of the dehumanizing nature of liberal society; it has, essentially, ruined love.” Sex is thus, to put it in Derridean terms, simultaneously the condition of possibility and of impossibility of love.
- Slavoj Zizek

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:16:22 2015 No.7149689 tell me how to delete posts too

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:17:06 2015 No.7149690 >>7149686 That does not include the new deletion rules that I delineate here: >>7149679

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:18:46 2015 No.7149696
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>>7149688

Oh look it's every normalfaggot on 4chan ever.

>hey yo sup I got tons of bitches but im dead inside because of lovelessness, I hope seeing wizards will make me feel better about myself

Same goes for virgins though

>I need sex so badly because reasons

I'm not the biggest fan of Zizek's, but damn, sometimes he blasts it so hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:21:49 2015 No.7149703 File: 1.93 MB, 235x240, 159.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7149688 >this quote Well done, anon. Sex has truly killed love. Outside of marriage, sex is poisonous. The key to happiness is to mate once, and to mate for life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:23:24 2015 No.7149709 >>7149641 at this rate they will tbh

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:24:48 2015 No.7149716 File: 25 KB, 308x475, Atomised.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7149703 >tfw women are by nature hypergamous thus will not settle for you unless you dominate them during an entire lifespan

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:27:05 2015 No.7149723
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>>7149688
>>7149703
>>7149716

This is why Houellebecq’s Les particules elemental [14] is the story of radical DESUBLIMATION, if there ever was one: in our postmodern “disenchanted” permissive world sexuality is reduced to an apathetic participation in ‘ collective orgies. Les particules, a superb example of what some critics perspicuously baptized “Left conservatism,” tells the story of two half-brothers: Bruno, a high-school teacher, is an undersexed hedonist, while Michel is a brilliant but emotionally desiccated biochemist. Abandoned by their hippie mother when they were small, neither has ever properly recovered; all their attempts at the pursuit of happiness, whether through marriage, the study of philosophy, or the consumption of pornography, merely lead to loneliness and frustration. Bruno ends up in a psychiatric asylum after confronting the meaninglessness of the permissive sexuality (the utterly depressive descriptions of the sexual orgies between forty-somethings are among the most excruciating readings in contemporary literature), while Michel invents a solution: a new self-replicating gene for the post-human desexualized entity. The novel ends with a prophetic vision: in 2040, humanity is replaced by these humanoids who experience no passions proper, no intense self-assertion that can lead to destructive rage.
- Slavoj Zizek

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:28:08 2015 No.7149727 >>7149688 why does the slavoj polloi always deliver?

Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:31:22 2015 No.7149737

>>7149727

doesnt waste him time buying clothes or shaving or getting his sinuses looked at.

He thinks and sniffles, sniffles and thinks- this is the path to greatness.

If you spent your entire self on your work, no 4chan, no school, no shopping for fancy commercial clothes to flaunt your body, you too could approach greatness, could kindle that spark into something that could shine down through the ages. Or not...*sniff*

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:33:33 2015 No.7149746 >>7149723 >all their attempts at the pursuit of happiness, whether through marriage, the study of philosophy, or the consumption of pornography, merely lead to loneliness and frustration explain this >>7149737 fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 22 23:42:54 2015 No.7149760 >>7149574 Fake David Hockney painting is fake

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 01:25:14 2015 No.7149992 File: 471 KB, 1697x1873, 1438971718797.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7149430 >>7149452 >>7149574 Nagai makes me feel dead inside

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 01:43:24 2015 No.7150037

>>7148131
People who don't understand him, will think he just criticizes or is a cynic about things; but he mostly just talks from a banal french guy view point.
So it's not pretty, it's not politically correct, the prose is nothing special cause the ideas are superior.
For example, in Submission, he's never saying that Islam is bad or anything. It's rather that when something political is pushed so hard in the character's reality, he either submits or he goes against it. And what the book shows you is that he was already in a position of submission far before than if it was about islam or not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 01:46:20 2015 No.7150046 >>7149275 Urgh please Palanihuk is a meme writer, a try hard to be cool and edgy. Fincher really improved the story of Fight Club.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 01:50:19 2015 No.7150052 Btw "Whatever" was a really shitty title translation. The correct one would be "Extension of the Domain of Struggle". or something like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 01:58:15 2015 No.7150071 >>7148064 lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:08:13 2015 No.7150083 >>7150037 good post tbh

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:22:36 2015 No.7150097 >hair's gotten a bit shaggy >look in the mirror before work after reading this thread >realize I look a bit like Houellebecq jfmsu tbh fam

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:37:40 2015 No.7150116 The Map and the Territory is vastly superior to his other novels imo. However, no one has mentioned his greatest book yet - Against the World, Against Life. Houllbecq, Lovecraft and King make for some good intertextual feels

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:43:41 2015 No.7150124

I read Whatever after seeing a post about it two days ago /lit/.

Really enjoyed it! He puts forward astute observations which apply more readily to the now than they did to 20 odd years odd when he first penned them. Could definitely feel Lacanian/Zizekian vibes early on. However, it goes too edgelord towards the end, therefore moving from what could have been 'Notes from the Underground: 90's Edition' to a Ryu Murakami writing about a dude who can't get laid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:48:29 2015 No.7150132 >>7150116 >Against the World, Against Life The only work of his i have ever read fam How should i continue?

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:51:22 2015 No.7150134

>>7150124
Yeah there's a good french film adaptation of it.
I loved the book, it was one of my first favorites of his...but he really reached a whole new level with The map and the territory.
Submission is great too, but it does tend to be a little too dark for me. Although maybe it's his way of saying that we're living dangerous moments, and that it's decision time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:53:14 2015 No.7150136 >>7150116 king's intro is kind of idiotic and not relevant to the text though

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:53:19 2015 No.7150137 >>7150132 read "Whatever", then "Les particules élémentaires", then you can just go straight to "The map and the territory" and see if you want more after that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:56:04 2015 No.7150145 >>7147988 Nigga u dumb

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 02:56:11 2015 No.7150146 File: 315 KB, 970x854, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7149452 >/lit/ is the most educated board >Asians are the most educated race

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 03:02:25 2015 No.7150160 >>7149652 >r9k in a flowery sentence

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 03:09:47 2015 No.7150175 >>7150146 >implying something

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 03:46:14 2015 No.7150225
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>>7149652
>“The terrible predicament of a beautiful girl is that only an experienced womanizer, someone cynical and without scruple, feels up to the challenge. More often than not, she will lose her virginity to some filthy lowlife in what proves to be the first step in an irrevocable decline.”

he misses the point that the guy is really a beta, but thinks he is not, thanks to the girl manipulating him into taking her.

Women beat most men, most of the time, especially men who still fuck them and manage to think that they are free from the pussy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 04:12:52 2015 No.7150245 >>7150225 i think you misread it. when he says experienced womanizer and filthy lowlife he's talking about chad, not the guy whining about chad. you're basically like him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 04:13:05 2015 No.7150246 Why are all of you so deep into your role of playing an edgy ωmega-level faggot that you don't see that the guy's illusion of choice is making him act just like a glorified poetic redpiller :v

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 04:22:33 2015 No.7150251 >>7150246 is this post in english

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 11:16:54 2015 No.7150325 >>7148082 >my ass is way to well-adjusted to my dragon dildo for that. ftfy

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 12:39:02 2015 No.7150549 >>7149760 This guy got to it before I had a chance, and Hockney isn't even that good to begin with.

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 12:47:37 2015 No.7150572

>>7148010
>articulating the neuroses of straight white men
Do you think only white men are sexually frustrated and morally conservative? Have you ever read anything by or communicated at all on a level that was not just superficial pleasantries with a non-white person?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 12:56:55 2015 No.7150602 File: 687 KB, 546x763, houellebecq.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This quote is 100% true in my experience.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 13:46:19 2015 No.7150779 >>7148338 You can fuck 14 year old girls. What's not to love about islam?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 13:52:16 2015 No.7150794 >>7149420 please be bait

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 13:58:45 2015 No.7150805

>>7148131

His main ideas seems to be the idea of how, in our society, with its lack of community spirit, life past adolescence becomes redundant. Consequently life in the modern world tends to lose any meaning past the ages of 13 and 21. Human beings are biologically compelled to have children and reproduce. It's the logical step in one's life narrative after starting a career. If a person doesn't have children, life loses its sense of narrative. Consequently, old men have no place in the world; they're simply ruins.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 14:02:56 2015 No.7150812 >>7150805 Dumb ideas tbh. Especially to talk about on a board filled with people who love the classics, which are almost exclusively written by old men.

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 14:06:27 2015 No.7150822

>>7150225

No, he is just putting some explanation above the Alpha/Beta dichotomy.

The problem with r9k types is that "Chad" is really some sort of metaphysical framework for value that supposedly acts through biological coercion, somehow; and despite none of these nerds having a biology degree, it is the pervasive explanation for all things sexual, but only retroactively.

This means under any r9k analysis there was always a biological reason it "had to be that way". But one can only know once the thing has already occurred.

This is some pseudoscience bullshit. Hollahback's explanation is able to make a prediction and is more insight into the mechanism for someones decline.

The idea there is that people who are treated poorly by the opposite sex experience decline only because they are now embittered with how they have been treated.

Ironically, Hollahback explains r9k's own lashing out in their attempt to explain all their own shortcomings through biological imperatives.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 14:38:58 2015 No.7150909 >>7150805 that would be really a gross over simplification.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 15:18:29 2015 No.7151045 >but what if we make the university professor seem the alpha male This line made the book better than 1984.

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 15:23:12 2015 No.7151065
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>>7148043

I would read a well written book about giant robots. That would actually be refreshing because it's so rare to see genre fiction that focuses on it's prose today.

Don't give up Anon. Don't believe in yourself. Believe in the me that believes in you in you!

>>7147874

I don't even he belives he's right about everything. I enjoy his writting almost as much as I enjoy saying his name though.

Seriously.

Just say it out loud.

Do it.

That felt good didn't it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 15:32:53 2015 No.7151089 Anyone know if Soumission is being released in English soon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 15:36:23 2015 No.7151103 File: 224 KB, 2170x1140, nice pens.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7149652 Please tell me this is just a mega-beta moment and that his stuff is unlike this and actually worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 15:42:38 2015 No.7151122 >>7149452 >I'm Chinese too. I wonder what % of /lit/ populace is Asian/Asian American since it's the most educated board. Do you believe that the humanities, and creative fields, are where Asians excel?

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 15:47:13 2015 No.7151136

>>7147874

>2060 - 45
>not judging a writer on their style
>calling a writer whose language you probably can't read a genius
>based on the fact that he expresses feelings you can relate to

Please don't do this. I'm French, and I've read Houellebecq. He is very smart and his prose is pleasant, but he is not a great writer. People here just like him because he's the best writer of greentext spaghetti stories.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 21:55:21 2015 No.7152280 >>7148010 >le straight white man meme

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 22:00:04 2015 No.7152293 >>7151136 >being an autistic muh prose retard lel

Anonymous Wed Sep 23 22:04:34 2015 No.7152310

>>7149652
That's just not true though. I know plenty of beautiful girls who lost their V-cards to betas because they didn't know better. Believe it or not, some girls actually have to learn how much it sucks to be with a weakling before they start rejecting that sort out of hand. It's later on that they swing the other way and only go for guys who can put up the sort of flawless front that only comes from experience and fakery.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 23 22:25:25 2015 No.7152372 >>7151089 It's already available for preorder.

Anonymous Thu Sep 24 04:14:50 2015 No.7153339

>>7152310
>Believe it or not, some girls actually have to learn how much it sucks to be with a weakling before they start rejecting that sort out of hand.
of course a few must learn directly instead of observing what their friends/family say [women talk about sex/romance constantly]

women always manage to have the upper hand. being a beta is precisely living through pussy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 04:16:14 2015 No.7153344 >>7152293 >muh prose retard What is that even supposed to mean ? Is that an insult ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 04:18:16 2015 No.7153346 >>7153344 maybe it's an extension of the anti-intellectual reactionary persona exemplified in the fedora maymay

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 04:29:08 2015 No.7153365 >>7152310 yeah, then they realize after a while that the person wasn't nearly as perfect as they thought, then at that point they either accept it or ditch them for another person who's also faking the flawless front and the cycle continues

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 04:31:33 2015 No.7153366 >>7153344 it means you're a superficial retard?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 04:33:47 2015 No.7153369 >>7153366 Superficial ? Explain.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 04:34:21 2015 No.7153371 >>7153365 I think the point of a relation is not to find how perfect someone is (cause there is clearly no one perfect), but rather how many flaws you can handle from them...or yourself actually.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 06:59:44 2015 No.7153676 >>7148074 Not too many people from that era around to read him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 07:02:23 2015 No.7153679 >>7149635 Sympathy isn't the only way to judge or enjoy literature.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 07:49:26 2015 No.7153760 File: 691 KB, 1946x2400, 1432869423968.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7153371 there is no point to a relation beyond agapè and philia.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 07:54:18 2015 No.7153770 >>7153760 not sure what you mean

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 09:11:31 2015 No.7153909 >>7153365 it's called acting like girls are into you and the thing is it's not that hard, it's all about the ACT part. stop being stuck in your head like a neurotic little cunt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 09:33:09 2015 No.7153957 >>7153369 it means he only enjoys books for the ''general ideas'' and probably reads cliffnotes versions of them. he's a modern man in a hurry and he ain't got no time for no prose style. just the general ideas, ma'am.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 09:34:42 2015 No.7153963 File: 477 KB, 800x335, CIA10.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7153760 >women

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