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Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:50:41 2015 No.7133317 [Reply] [Original]

Is morality the dankest meme of philosophy?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:54:09 2015 No.7133329 >>7133317 >no google image search results What the hell is that pic?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:54:23 2015 No.7133331 File: 174 KB, 282x400, 242.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Absolute Spirit is

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:57:25 2015 No.7133341 Why do you people always ascribe this notion of peaceful benevolence and innocence to nature, when evil and sadistic cruelty exist within it as much as it exists within civilization?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:59:12 2015 No.7133353 >>7133341 >evil >cruelty >sadism all human concepts which can or can't be applied to nature

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:03:42 2015 No.7133369 File: 69 KB, 550x710, 1437259445316.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133317 >bees make beehive >So natural! >beavers make dam >How organic! >humans make house >DISGUSTING. NOT NATURAL. HUMANS AREN'T NATURE. 2 BLOCKY 4 ME.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:04:32 2015 No.7133374 >>7133329 It's probably from one of those new wave meme pages on Facebook

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:05:22 2015 No.7133376 >>7133353 No anon, evil exists outside of humanity, in nature and in all animals. You're being willfully ignorant to deny this fact.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:05:38 2015 No.7133377 File: 54 KB, 453x500, 1442099310378.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133341 >nature >evil

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:07:08 2015 No.7133383 >>7133377 Yes, nature has the capacity for good and evil just as civilization does. Animals are often cruel and malevolent to one another

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:08:42 2015 No.7133387

>>7133341
It helps maintain the christian ideology if the masses think that their suffering is due to other people and other people alone, since giving nature the responsibility makes one unable to be vengeful and giving oneself the blame is unbearable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:08:54 2015 No.7133388 >>7133383 Maybe violence and ferocity, but evil? C'mon man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:11:09 2015 No.7133395 >>7133383 >>7133376 How do you define evil other than a purely human concept then

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:16:30 2015 No.7133408 >>7133388 Yes man, willful, malevolent acts of evil and brutality >>7133395 Through actions rather than philosophy

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:21:39 2015 No.7133427

>>7133408
To even be willfully evil, first you have to possess at least a basic concept of morality in order to counter your actions to some hypothetical "good"

Now give me an example of an animal that possesses such concept of morality, other than human species

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:30:02 2015 No.7133457 nature is satan's church :-)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:44:58 2015 No.7133512 >>7133427 Apes, dogs, dolphins, elephants, horses, cats. Honestly, ever single one of them does. Morality was not created by us. It's instinctual. All learning is a process of remembering what we've forgotten

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 01:02:16 2015 No.7133561

>>7133408
malevolent is a vague term too. you can not define evil in terms of malevolent. The term evil can not apply to non-human subjects. We just think that because we have the power of moral reasoning and we consider ourselves better than/ separate from nature. So a concept of morality is a precedent for morality which we consider only humans to possess. And those acts which go against that concept of morality, willfully and unnecessarily, can be called evil.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 01:06:11 2015 No.7133574 >>7133561 The knowledge of good and evil exists beyond humanity anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 01:06:16 2015 No.7133576 >>7133317 fucking stupid

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 14:54:55 2015 No.7135603 >>7133331 I hate to say it, but you're kind of right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 14:56:05 2015 No.7135607 >>7133383 Pretty sure animals don't give a shit about good or evil.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 14:57:51 2015 No.7135616 File: 79 KB, 1000x1000, Wx8k4IH.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133317

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:25:41 2015 No.7135707 >>7135607 You've apparently never had a dog before

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:30:48 2015 No.7135718 >>7133317 human beings ARE divine beings. the image insinuates that human beings are not.. the rest is true. we've broken universal law by imposing our selfishness upon the world and sowing havoc and destruction in our quest for self indulgence.

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:31:06 2015 No.7135719

>>7135707
To a dog, good is what its owner wants. Whether that's comforting or visciously tearing apart another dog for sport, the dog thinks it's doing good. Not even good honestly, it's just doing what it should. What it needs to do to please it's owner or in others words, survive.

Animals only think in survival and instinct. I don't think there's good and bad for them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:33:16 2015 No.7135725 >>7135719 No, they understand good and evil outside of humans

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:34:26 2015 No.7135728 Morals are inherently subjective and therefore meaningless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:35:55 2015 No.7135734 >>7133408 >willful >implying Everyone knows that will stems from man's rejection of natural impulses, and thus nature itself could never act in a willful manner- a contraditiction in terms.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:36:48 2015 No.7135736 >>7135728 No, morality is objective. You're confusing the meaninglessness of your own existence for inherent meaninglessness

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:37:20 2015 No.7135737 >>7133376 >No anon, evil exists outside of humanity, in nature and in all animals. Okay, but where is it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:41:39 2015 No.7135749 >>7135734 >Everyone knows Dropped. Will to Power is nature itself, man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:47:00 2015 No.7135763 >>7135737 There is a gif of a baboon stripping the skin off a live faun or something as it tries to get away. Cats toy with half-dead creatures they've captured. Animals are bastards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:53:08 2015 No.7135792 >>7135737 Apes are known to engage in tribal warfare and torture each other. Then there are stories about dolphins saving sailors and what not

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:53:55 2015 No.7135795

>>7133317
IMO its not morality but abstraction. The only consistent morality is a purely materialist one, based in the physical facts of power, conquest and domination. The decay began when the human race started replacing objective physical facts with mere symbols. If we are to survive as a species we need to embrace the primordial forces of violence, death and fertility once more, everything else just is a rather poor substitute.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 15:58:19 2015 No.7135807 >>7135795 >primordial forces I think you mean primal. Also, a lot of impotent edge you got going on there, kid

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 16:03:26 2015 No.7135825 >>7135763 >>7135792 I don't disagree that animals do what we call evil, but can animals, or plants, be accountable for their actions? Are storms, volcanoes, etc., evil as well?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 16:04:40 2015 No.7135831 >>7135807 >a lot of impotent edge There's not a counter-argument.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 16:05:39 2015 No.7135834 >>7135736 >No, morality is objective. Explain

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 16:10:41 2015 No.7135855 >>7135825 >Are storms, volcanoes, etc., evil as well? I hope you're being facetious >>7135831 Would be wasted effort.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 16:13:13 2015 No.7135865 File: 28 KB, 367x98, arg-dancing-spooky-orange-on-black-url.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7135728 >Morals are inherently subjective

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 16:14:14 2015 No.7135869 >>7135865 by which I mean the idea that morals are inherently subjective is a spook, if I hadn't made myself absoloutely clear

The Skeleton Man !MAxPETUTTk Sat Sep 19 16:33:08 2015 No.7135941

>>7135736
>No, morality is objective

Ahhh, gotta love dumb-fags such as yourself that love nothing more than to jump into mob mentality head first.

>You're confusing the meaninglessness of your own existence for inherent meaninglessness

Lol, really? Not him, but please, tell me, 5 billion years from now, what meaning will your, or anyones life, ever have?

Don't worry, I can wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 17:02:02 2015 No.7136022 >>7135855 >Would be wasted effort. Meaning you don't have anything to say, you're posturing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 17:03:42 2015 No.7136026 nature doesnt exist, are we still in the "oh man, remember that time when everything was glitter and fun and then man came and ruined everything" era?

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 17:06:26 2015 No.7136033

>>7135728
>subjective is meaninglessness

subjectivity is the root of meaning, like, are you implying that only rocks or the color green are meaningful because they arent contaminated by those damned human emotions you dont understand, I dont know man, when people use the word meaning I doubt they refer to impenetrable simplicity

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 17:06:28 2015 No.7136034 >>7136022 Different anon, but I think your opinion is stupid. "Physical facts of power conquest and domination" are just that - facts. Therefore they are not morality. That is, they cannot tell us howe ought to act.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 18:07:37 2015 No.7136255 >>7136034 There is no OUGHT, only an eternal IS which you can eaccept it or deny it but you can't make it go away.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 20 03:55:52 2015 No.7138232 >>7133341 How is nature cruel?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 20 04:13:25 2015 No.7138260 >>7138232 It used to bully me about my weight.

>>	OSiRiS !OSiRiS3dfk Sun Sep 20 04:17:42 2015 No.7138262 >>7138232 Because in the end it teaches us nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 20 09:01:34 2015 No.7138708 >>7133317 Is that Mr.Meeseeks?

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