Why is it cool to hate Chomsky?

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Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:37:53 2015 No.7133274 [Reply] [Original]

Why is it cool to hate Chomsky?

>>	Chipstopher Colubus !Vu3GKcozRY Fri Sep 18 23:40:40 2015 No.7133283 File: 36 KB, 626x417, 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] because muh free will he is actually chill guy though, he answers pretty much any email he gets chomsky@mit.edu

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:42:27 2015 No.7133289 >>7133283 HEY /LIT/ LETS WRITE A LETTER TO NOAM CHOMPSKY, TWO WORDS AT A TIME. GO!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:44:03 2015 No.7133295 It's cool to hate undergrads who worship Noam Chomsky. It's never been cool to hate Noamy Choamy

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:44:19 2015 No.7133298 >>7133274 Because he acknowledges the existence of Cultural Marxism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cqTE_bPh7M

Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:46:23 2015 No.7133306

Well, to tell you the truth, this board is filled with young men who are insecure about their intelligence and therefore profess to prefer philosophers who speculate in an obscure style on vague subjects to those who exhibit clear thinking and write lucid prose that even the uninitiated can understand.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:49:11 2015 No.7133313 >>7133298 I wish the guy would retire at his age and use his time for personal use. he is like the guy from Stoner

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 18 23:50:05 2015 No.7133315 >>7133289 Dear Chomsky

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:15:26 2015 No.7133405 >>7133315 I think

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:18:12 2015 No.7133413 >>7133405 You are right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:18:18 2015 No.7133414 >>7133405 I'm gay

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:18:53 2015 No.7133417 >>7133298 How has he retained that hair line?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:20:24 2015 No.7133422 File: 47 KB, 657x879, 4646.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133417 >tfw you realize a 86 year old is balding less than you

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:22:12 2015 No.7133431 >>7133414 4 YOU

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 00:34:48 2015 No.7133475

A big part of it is he's just been so cool for so long that hating on him had to become fashionable. The whole late 2000s anti-Beatles thing in music criticism comes to mind.

On a slightly less prosaic note he is a little bit of an "anglo saxon." By that I don't mean that he's a descendent of the invaders of England in the Xth century whenever, but that he adheres to this school of atheo-scientism which has pervaded the English speaking academia for years, which writes of anything continental by saying "it's nonsense" without specifically saying what about it is so nonsensical. These guys' critiques have always been a bit lazy, and while Chomsky is certainly better than (for example) a Richard Dawkins, he's never really bothered to engage with this whole category of literature he dismisses so breezily.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 01:08:08 2015 No.7133581 >chomsky will die soonish

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 01:22:10 2015 No.7133636 >>7133274 Intro to course in general linguistics says Chomsky is naive for his dismissal of saussure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 01:24:43 2015 No.7133646 >>7133417 low test, as if the anarchism wasn't a clue

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 01:24:44 2015 No.7133647 >>7133289 >>7133315 >>7133405 >>7133414 >>7133431 Way too coherent. I can't send him this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 01:29:22 2015 No.7133658 He should stick to being a linguist and stop with his left libertarian bullshit he sells to stupid college faggots to sell books. The fuck head is a million for the love of fucking God

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 01:39:43 2015 No.7133676 File: 385 KB, 613x367, Screen Shot 2015-09-19 at 3.39.17 pm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133581

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 02:15:50 2015 No.7133750 Chomsky is very knowledgeable and interesting, the problem is that he can be very rights on some aspects and wrong on others, and Chom fanboys eat it all up. I have great respect and admiration for the man and he could seduce me with his smooth voice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 03:09:14 2015 No.7133838 >>7133676 His ideas will only become more widespread and accepted when he dies. Zizek fears that day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 03:30:07 2015 No.7133875 >>7133838 woman has no penis, whatever

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 04:03:11 2015 No.7133910 >>7133838 Chomsky's ideas already are see: Russel Brand

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 04:10:56 2015 No.7133925 Because Chomsky questions power, he raises the uncomfortable facts about Americas imperial violence abroad, and the economic ruin wrought at home

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 04:14:18 2015 No.7133934

>>7133475
>but that he adheres to this school of atheo-scientism which has pervaded the English speaking academia for years, which writes of anything continental by saying "it's nonsense" without specifically saying what about it is so nonsensical.
You're mad about this http://www.chomsky.info/articles/1995----02.htm aren't you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 04:15:19 2015 No.7133940 >>7133658 >ad hom pejoratives well you've done it sir, you've done what no one else has ever managed, you've successfully argued against chomsky!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 04:16:19 2015 No.7133944 >>7133750 >I like his critique of state authority >but whats wrong with corporations controlling everything lolbertarian pls

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 04:18:22 2015 No.7133951

>>7133910
lolwut?
Brand is a moron
And if there ever was a gatekeeper he'd be it
He argues for total disengagement from the political process and champions apathy
Thats perfect for the power elite, thats the sort of world they want the masses to live in

And its the opposite of Chomsky

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 05:28:02 2015 No.7134070

>>7133951
One of my favorite Noam Chomsky jokes is from Archer
>Archer acting as leader calls a meeting about pressing problem
>Problem is weighing on everyone heavily and they're relieved action is being taken
>Someone asks "Okay, so what's the plan?"
>"I don't know, my plan was to bring you all here and crowdsource a solution!"
>*mumbles of frustration*
>Someone mutters "Thanks, Noam Chomsky..." irritated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 06:43:55 2015 No.7134191 File: 305 KB, 1600x645, noam chomsky.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133951 >And its the opposite of Chomsky

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 06:48:00 2015 No.7134199 >>7133838 Are you saying that if Zizek strikes him down he will become more powerful than he could possibly imagine?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 06:48:57 2015 No.7134201 File: 211 KB, 460x271, zizek (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7133289 >>7133315 >>7133405 >>7133414 >>7133431 >>7133647 Holy shit that's amazing. Please send it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 06:48:58 2015 No.7134202 Since he BTFO Sam Harris he's become cool again

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 06:50:00 2015 No.7134204 >>7134202 How did he btfo Sam Harris? That wasn't a snarky comment; I actually want to know.

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 07:10:34 2015 No.7134237

Chomsky is exceptional when it comes to linguistics, and I agree with his anti-behaviorist stance.

On politics I think he is right about some things, but wrong about others, for instance, I think he is too quick to put all the blame for Islamic terrorism on Western foreign policy.

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 07:24:22 2015 No.7134265

>>7134204
Chomsky responds to most of his emails. Sam Harris sent him emails that Chomsky responded to. Harris eventually published the correspondence. Even though Harrisbots think he "won", people made fun of Harris because Chomsky made him look like an idiot (because he is one).

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 07:26:45 2015 No.7134270 >>7134265 I literally have no understanding of Harris, so I still don't understand what the fuck's happened here with chomp and harry. But whatevs m8, thanks for trying bb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 07:30:30 2015 No.7134275 File: 623 KB, 750x1117, harris movie.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7134270 Sam Harris is a famous New Atheist and well-known apologist for the War on Terror. Use Google faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 07:36:44 2015 No.7134291 >>7134275 This is such bullshit it's not even funny, but keep sucking Glenn Greenwald and Reza Azlan's dick faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 07:40:38 2015 No.7134301 File: 107 KB, 616x345, zizek sam harris.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7134291 >thinking Harris is a fuckwit means I like Greenwald and Azlan

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 07:41:51 2015 No.7134305 >>7134301 No, it doesn't mean it, but we both know you actually do.

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 07:44:16 2015 No.7134308

>>7134291

I'm not sure what Harris said about war on terror, but he's a huge torture apologist when it comes to the w.o.t.

Harris on torture:

>Nevertheless, there are extreme circumstances in which I believe that practices like “water-boarding” may be not only ethically justifiable, but ethically necessary.

Source: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-controversy

>Given what many of us believe about the exigencies of our war on terrorism, the practice of torture, in certain circumstances, would seem to be not only permissible, but necessary

Somewhere in End of Faith

I haven't read anything by his going into the necessity of the w.o.t. so I can't comment there

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 07:48:15 2015 No.7134313

>>7134308
He is clearly talking about in general, and it is in line with common utilitarianism.

Most people agree that if you have a choice between torturing an individual for information, and letting a million people die by a nuclear blast, it is pretty clear that most people would given the circumstances do the lesser of two evils.

But of course, this is taken at face value by deranged progressives like Glenn Greenwald, as to mean that he thinks the United States Army has the moral authority to torture anyone they want at any point in time for any reason, especially if they have brown skin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 10:24:09 2015 No.7134703 >>7134202 lmao he didn't btfo Harris, that conversation was a mess and to assume either of the two men 'won' is silly. Though I know it's cool to hate Harris on /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 10:26:08 2015 No.7134708 >>7134313 >it is pretty clear that most people would given the circumstances do the lesser of two evils. No.

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 10:29:06 2015 No.7134719

>>7134703
no, it really wasn't a mess. It was simple to follow and simple to see Harris get refuted time and time again.

I think Harris seems a legitimately well-meaning guy, nothing against him personally, just got destroyed. If you read it and thought about what was written i don't see how you could come to any other conclusion unless you are a harris fanboy

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 10:32:28 2015 No.7134727 >>7133274 because he has smugly dismissed the opinion of one of at least one of your favourite authors as nonsense

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 10:43:59 2015 No.7134759

>>7133298
he 'acknowledges' the particularly strange nature of intellectualism in France. Which is not the same thing as what the name "cultural Marxism" implies, though it attacks more or less the same writers for similar reasons—lack of seriousness, etc.

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 11:16:59 2015 No.7134827

>>7134759
If you watch the vid, he says that the said writers were all Stalinists and Maoists who "mysteriously" became post-structuralist theorists as soon as Stalinism and Maoism went out of style.

That's pretty much game, set, match as far as I'm concerned. People don't change their colors that much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 11:27:18 2015 No.7134865 >>7133838 His ideas will die with the remnants of the 60's 70 leftist idiots who caused and are still causing Europe and the US to lose their balls.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 11:30:27 2015 No.7134878 >>7134301 I love this photo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 11:38:35 2015 No.7134898 File: 27 KB, 250x435, 612168.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Same reason as killing toddlers: it's easy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 19 11:43:21 2015 No.7134917 >>7134827 >the said writers who?

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 11:49:21 2015 No.7134944
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>>7134917
I dunno. The other guy mentioned writers so I just rolled with it.

The point is that the PoMos are all tangled up with Stalinists/Maoists and that feminists use Marxist terminology (class, privilege, etc.) so it just adds up.

Anonymous Sat Sep 19 19:29:56 2015 No.7136588

>>7134944
There are posmos that are self proclaimed marxists and others who aren't. The same way there are analytical marxists and analytical non marxists. Regarding what chomsky is talking about, it's pretty obvious that the disappointment with the soviet experiment forced some intellectuals to perform mental juggles. Cultural marxism itself is an oxymoron, and the conspiracy theories that it carries attached are retarded and have nothing to do with marxism. Saying that chomsky "acknowledges the existence of Cultural Marxism" based on that video is absolutely retarded.

On the other hand, class is a sociological concept that isn't restricted to neither marxism nor postmodernism (and, contrary to what you say, is usually lacking in modern feminist discourse, sadly), and privilege is not marxist terminology (in fact, i don't even remember marx using the word).

It's pretty obvious by your posts that you are a /pol/tard whose knowledge of marxism doesn't go beyond his imaginary battles against what you think is marxism: sjws.
Why don't you try to look up the ideas you relate to "cultural marxism" in marx's work?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 20 00:03:40 2015 No.7137481 >>7136588 >damage control >ad hominem bullshit It's crystal clear. The intelligentsia is full of communist sympathizers. Marxism in practice is Communism. His theory means jack shit. In practice it means Maoism and Stalinism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 20 00:38:15 2015 No.7137599 >>7134313 utilitarianism is the biggest heap of bullshit that ever came out of every high school seniors mouth.

Anonymous Sun Sep 20 00:49:32 2015 No.7137651

>>7137481
You didn't address any of the points in the post.
Anon, you obviously haven't read marx and don't follow academia / read journals. Take a step back and ask yourself how the fuck can you make these kind of statements. What is it based on? I would feel pretty stupid just repeating what i've read on /pol/ without any actual knowledge on the subject.

Anonymous Sun Sep 20 01:00:19 2015 No.7137704

>>7137651
I'm tired of you denialists refusing to acknowledge the problem exists, your wordgames and bullshit.

- Universities have Marxist professors.
- PoMo critical theory strongly influenced by "FLAMING" Maoists/Stalinists (Chomsky QUOTED in video)

Stop refusing to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

Why don't you stop being a disingenuous shithead and acknowledge the goddamn situation?

I'm tired of fucking liberal dipshits and their "NUH UH IT'S NOT HAPPENING" debate tactics.

HE
SAYS
IT
IN
THE
VIDEO
YOU
STUPID
WORTHLESS
PIECE
OF
SHIT
ACKNOWLEDGE
THE FUCKING
REALITY
OF
THE
FUCKING
SITUATION

*SHAKES YOU AND VIOLENTLY BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF YOU*

Anonymous Sun Sep 20 01:09:42 2015 No.7137738

>>7137704
Calm down mate. Universities have professors all over the political spectrum, the vast majority of which aren't marxist.

It's pretty easy. Look up the most important journals in each field of social sciences and see how much marxism there is. Then read marx and figure out in which degree is your perception of it accurate.

I'm not telling you to believe me, i'm just telling you to stop repeating everything you read like a moron and start forming your own opinions based on your own research. Then, if you are right, you will be able to come back and support your position instead of sperging out.

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