/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.7126705]

In a way, he is right, you know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvoYtUhjRWM

[Anonymous No.7126736]

>>7126705
Can we just segregate education by sex again, already?

I'd like to learn to be a man and acknowledge and deal with grown up things in reality like a human.

[Anonymous No.7126762]

>>7126705
jesus how i hate that guy

[Anonymous No.7126782]

>>7126762
i hate how he speaks, all headbobbing and fast-slow tempo changes

imagine speaking to someone like that in real life

[Anonymous No.7126788]

>>7126705
>preview picture has the show's host making a stupid face

This is how I know a video is not worth watching.

[Anonymous No.7126841]

He's right to an extent. The other side are also correct to an extent.

Many students are using trigger warnings as judgement rather than warnings (implying anything anti-feminist is evil) and they are they using it as a type of censorship to avoid ideas that simply make them uncomfortable and to force campuses to be liberal and inclusive where they might not naturally be.

On the other hand, some of the people are encouraging better debate of these topics with trigger warnings and the intention of a trigger warning is actually quite noble. Millennials might be soft but it's also probably making the world a nicer place.

[Anonymous No.7126859]

>>7126841
There's nothing noble about misappropriating psychological concepts in an effort to silence your ideological opposition. And it's really not making the world a better place any more than blasphemy laws or any other kind of censorship.

[Anonymous No.7126865]

How many college students have diagnosed PSTD?
Also, why wasn't this a problem when hundreds of thousands of soldiers returned from WW2 and got an education through the GI Bill?

[Anonymous No.7127245]

>>7126705
If your so sensitive or have PTSD that the mere discussion of something upsets you so much then it's your own responsibility to avoid it if you so wish. You could always approach your teacher at the beginning of the semester and ask if there'll be anything offensive in the course. But announcing at the beginning of a general class "this is in case any of you have ever been raped" is a problem.

[Anonymous No.7127275]

you know, I had a philosophy course on standard ethical models inability to deal with certain issues, and one of the weeks was holocaust and rape and the teacher just said the week before that someone always has a problem so if you need to step out for a moment or whatever that's okay and for everyone to be nice to each other.

That seemed to work well. I don't know if you would call that a "trigger warning" but i also don't think its fair to say people who are worried about the whole production of the professional offended are being overly whingey themselves.

[Anonymous No.7127299]

>>7126859

The point of placing a trigger warning on a piece of media that might upset someone is not necessarily to silence your opponent. It could just be because you don't want to upset someone, which is noble.

Trigger warnings are not themselves censorship and they do encourage us to be more thoughtful and empathetic. This stuff does work. For a millennial the thought of being publicly racist or homophobic is quite disgusting. Even 20 years ago it wasn't like this. Ultimately that has to make things 'nicer', right? Certainly more pleasant.

If they start legally enforcing trigger warnings that is then censorship. If schools are forcing students to be more considerate of others, there's no harm in that. Especially when we are going to be a generation of people that will communicate online without the same filers real life gives you.

[Anonymous No.7127318]

>>7126705
The top comment on that video is good

[Anonymous No.7129050]

>>7126705
I'd love to see this guy and Chris Hayes go at each other with hammers.

[Anonymous No.7129056]

>>7126705
he is not michael from vsauce even if he tries harder if that's even possible.

dont like this dude at all for some reason.

i'm glad his hair falls out. feels like an appropriate punishment.

[Anonymous No.7129058]

The video triggers me

[Anonymous No.7129063]

I need a trigger warning for this John Green wannabe faggot

[Anonymous No.7129077]

>>7126705
In a way everyone is right you little mongoloid. Its whether you accept the legitimacy of 'that way' that is at stake here

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>>7126705
Oh yes! Favorite Youtube channel by far.

[Anonymous No.7131096]

>>7127318
>I am a literature professor. I work at colleges and with students. I'm on the front line of this. There has been little formal research done on this topic, so much of what we have to go on is the stories of professors and students. I know the internet doesn't like personal evidence, but this is my life. I live this every day.

>Unlike some instructors, I don't blame the students or their generation for this at all. It's not a generational issue. Some of the complaints are framed as 'get off my lawn' style generational conflict, and there is some of that, but it's not the root or the import.

>Here's the thing (if you'll allow someone who works in the industry to present some information without citations):

>Beginning in the 80s, and accelerating ever since, there has been a strong push to run colleges more like businesses. More like corporations, to be specific. The structure of the leadership, the marketing, the profitcentric mindset, all of that is new on a historical scale, just the last thirty years or so, and it is caused by the corpratization of the schools.

>This does a lot of things. One of the worst, from my personal perspective, is that it's shifted the place where the money is spent at colleges and universities. Hiring good professors used to be more than 60% of the budget at many schools, and now it's less than 20%. This is caused by organizations which are extremely top-heavy (like 10 administrators for every 1 full-time professor (this is not an exaggeration)), and reliant almost entirely on part-time instructors who are (as Mike points out) over-worked and underpaid (that's me, BTW).

>That's not what we're talking about here though. One of the other effects of this corporatization is a shift in thinking of the students as 'clients' rather than 'pupils' (Mike touches on this but doesn't really connect it up, I think). In some ways, this can be a good thing, and we can talk about that too, but there is a definite and visible amount of what some might call "coddling" going on. This presents in a few different flavors, but what it boils down to is this: There is a shift in how student concerns are handled by the administration.

>Once upon a time, if a student went to a dean and said that they were having a problem, they would almost always be dismissed. Don't like your grade? Don't like the material? Don't think you should have to take this class? Feeling discriminated against? harassed? stressed? Too bad. You can go to class and get through it, or fail. The Professor is always right. Unless there was a serious, public infraction with evidence and many complaints, the administration would very rarely take the side of a student over a professor. This was bad.

[Anonymous No.7131102]

>>7131096
>Over the last few decades this has shifted. If students are customers, and customers are always right, then we should listen to them. At first it was refreshing. Students who had legitimate complaints were actually being listened to, professors that everyone knew were bad, like the guy who refused to let women talk in class or the gal who just read the book to the students instead of teaching, were getting let go. There was change, and bad professors were no longer protected by the institution.

>However, the pendulum continues to swing. Schools are starting to flop the old ways, and now many schools, especially private ones, are taking the side of the student over the professor every time. If a student complains, it's the professor's problem, not the student's problem, always. (Not every school is like this. I've taught at both public and private schools, and private (profitcentric) schools are more likely to be this way). This is bad. Maybe it's not as bad as the old ways, but it's still something we can recognize and hope to fix.

>I can tell you stories (like the time I had to remove a classic literary work from my syllabus because a student told the dean it was pornographic, or the time the school changed my student's grade up by a letter because her mother came in and yelled at the campus president, or the time I almost took a job with a school which had a policy that every student should always get an 'A' or "the professor has failed") but those are all anecdotes, and the internet hates anecdotes.

>I know a lot of professors. Not one of them does not have an anecdote about the school taking the student's side too far. Are all of them valid? Maybe not. But it definitely IS a thing. There is a shift in the way we treat students and teachers in this country, and some people, apparently including our President, don't think much of the patterns they see.

>"Trigger warnings" is only a small part of this huge issue. Every professor I know is fine with trigger warnings themselves (though most think it's dumb to call them that) and many, including myself, already had notices about potentially uncomfortable content in their syllabi before this ever became a public issue. What professors (the ones I know) are worried about is how far it will go. It may be a slippery slope fallacy, but we've seen the accommodation train go really far in the last decades, and there are already a few stories of institutions actually banning works that the literature professors want to use based on the complaints of uncomfortable students.

[Anonymous No.7131105]

>>7131102
>Honestly, it's really more of a symptom of a much grander disease. In general, instructor autonomy (or "academic freedom" if you prefer) is being eroded just a bit every day, in a thousand different little ways, and its adding up to a teaching world that seems very different from the one I started teaching in only 11 years ago. Imagine how it feels to someone who has been teaching for 30 years or more...

>None of this is the fault of the students. It's all the fault of an administration focused on pleasing customers (and making moneys) rather than teaching pupils.

>One final thing I want you to consider: If someone actually has PTSD they should be working with the student services department at the school to make sure that this is on file. It's the student services department's job to inform instructors when they have a student with any kind of disability or special need, then the instructor can, and is required to (by federal law) accommodate that student's needs. Professors are not allowed to give special treatment to ANY student, no matter their condition or needs unless they go through those channels (again: federal law). This means that any student who is being made uncomfortable in the classroom without any warning is in one of four cases:

>They do not have a diagnosed disability or condition, they are simply uncomfortable with the topic. (solution: No solution required)
>They have a diagnosed disability or condition, but they failed to properly report that condition to student services. (solution: student should be working with student services)
>They reported the condition, and the instructor was not notified properly. (solution: student services personnel should be reminded to do their jobs)
>They reported the condition, the instructor was notified, but the instructor ignored the notice. (solution: instructor should be reminded to do their job)

>Note that none of those solutions involve removing the work in questions from the syllabus.

>I'm sorry for no citations.

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>>7131096
Probably fake anyway.

[Anonymous No.7131147]

>>7126705
move over Stirner
Get out of here Foucault
Zizke, pffft...

[Anonymous No.7131297]

>>7131147
This is probably one of the worst posts I have seen on this board.

[Anonymous No.7131300]

>>7126705
>LITERATURE

THIS IS FOR LITERATURE

TAKE THIS SHIT TO /POL/ OR SOMEWHERE THAT DEALS WITH STUPID SHIT


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[Anonymous No.7131317]

>>7131297
>This is probably one of the worst posts I have seen on this board.
why? I loved yours * * * * *