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when /lit/ tells me to read the Greeks, which Greeks do you mean?

>> No.7108690

>>7108679
Start with the sophists.

>> No.7108692

Any you fancy.

The philosophers
The ancient myths
The playwrights
The historians or the contemporary histories

>> No.7108702

>>7108692
Philosophers and ancient myths for me

>> No.7108705

>>7108679
Plato and Aristotle, as far as philosophy is concerned.

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7108710

>>7108679
anything before socrates

socrates is what destroys the philosophy

socrates is arationalist and believes in objectivity

socrates is the one responsible for all the woes in the world for 2500 years


kill socrates

>> No.7108726

>>7108705
Have both of their complete works
>>7108710
Those pictures get better and better

>> No.7108748

>>7108710
"Churches cannot turn away homosexuals"
What is this baloney?
No one's forcing your church to marry homosexuals. The fu–?

>> No.7108757

Homer, Hesiod, Herodotus, Thucydides, Sophocles, Xenophon, Plato, Aristotle

>> No.7108764

>>7108757
What about the Illiad and the Odyssey are philosophically important? Or are you talking about mythology?

>> No.7108767

>>7108764
Only the last three are philosophers.
Culturally Homer is important

>> No.7108780

>>7108767
What about Sophocles?
Also, why is Homer culturally important?
Not being snyde, genuinely curious

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>>7108780
Sophocles is a playwright.
I meant Homer (and Hesiod) is culturally important to the playwrights and even the philosophers. Plato/Socrates use them to some extent...

G-g-goodnight lit

>> No.7108815

>>7108705
Is there a good reading plan for Plato or Aristotle?

>> No.7108823

>>7108815
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/edit?pli=1#

>> No.7108828

>>7108815
Follow the reading order of the Hackett edition

>> No.7108862

>>7108828
Not that guy, but Im glad I got that edition.

Any recommended editions of the Illiad and the Odyssey?

>> No.7108898

>>7108862
I enjoyed Fitzgerald's translations. Many people also recommend Lattimore.

>> No.7108902

>>7108898
What about Fagles?

>> No.7108903

>>7108898
What makes Fitzgerald's better than Lattimore's for you?

>> No.7108913

>>7108903
I've no idea; I've only. It's just i've heard plenty of praise for Lattimore.
>>7108903
I've heard he's good, but not as good as Fitzgerald and Lattimore.
>>7108902
>>7108903
Look on this site and read excerpts of each translation to see which you like: https://records.viu.ca/~johnstoi/homer/homertranslations.htm

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7108928

Aaron Poochigian's translation of Sappho is good stuff.

>> No.7108929

>>7108679
The Turkish ones that we just call Greeks nowadays.

>> No.7108933

>>7108780
>Also, why is Homer culturally important?

Are you serious?

>> No.7108939

>>7108780
He more or less invented literature

>> No.7108955

>>7108929
>not initiate with the ionians
You ruined being right, anon.

>> No.7108957

>>7108679
Ionians.

>> No.7108968

>>7108780
>Also, why is Homer culturally important?

Only on /lit/ folks

>> No.7109570

>>7108928
Been considering getting this for a while. Might grab it soon.

>> No.7109585

>>7108679
>tfw started with the Stoics

Did anyone else start with one of the fringe philosophies with few surviving works or do most people go straight to Plato + Aristotle?

>> No.7110842

>>7108679
the apology by plato
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html

>> No.7110870

Zoom on the Zoroastrians

>> No.7110882

>>7108780
>Also, why is Homer culturally important?
Were you raised in a cave in the eastern hemisphere?

>> No.7110894

start with Mary Renault

>> No.7111551

>>7108710
that pic is 0/10 b8

>> No.7111763

>>7108679
Homer
Socrates (inb4 >>Plato)
Euripides
Thucydides

everyone else is negligible.

>> No.7112061

>>7108929
Heraclitus was greek blood in a colony thag oppressed brown people