/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.7106076]

What are /lit/'s thoughts on suicide?

[Anonymous No.7106080]

OR SHOULD I BLAST MYSELF?

[Anonymous No.7106082]

We come from an inconceivable nothingness. We stay a while in something which seems equally inconceivable, only to vanish again into the inconceivable nothingness. Man is a tragic animal. Not because of his smallness, but because he is too well endowed. Man has longings and spiritual demands that reality cannot fulfill. We have expectations of a just and moral world. Man requires meaning in a meaningless world.

When a human being takes his life in depression, this is a natural death of spiritual causes. The modern barbarity of 'saving' the suicidal is based on a hair-raising misapprehension of the nature of existence.

[Anonymous No.7106101]

>>7106076
suicide is a task undertaken by people with unmet needs. I recommend friends, a girlfriend, a job you like, and keeping up with your assignments. I say this but within a month or two my winter will begin and all i'll have on my mind is the very topic. To be perfectly honest, death is better than suffering, and happiness is better than death. But you know that fam, don't you?

[Anonymous No.7106102]

>>7106082
So what you're saying is that suicide is a legitimate form of rebellion against the void?

[Anonymous No.7106132]

part of me says it's the most selfish thing you can do imo. you never know what you'll be ten years from now. could be better. couldn't be worse. you just never know though. the world of possibility closes in death. who knows who you could've touched or touched you. who knows where that ripple would've spread to.

but at the same time I can't assume all the variety and depth of problems that people deal with so I imagine that I just can't understand it. i considered offing myself in my teen years but didn't. i was very sad and not in a good place. I'm in my 30s now. life isn't perfect but I'm better at dealing with a world that will never meet highly idealized expectations. again, i don't assume someone else's situation is the same as mine. i just wish everyone who has troubles enough to consider it...to find help, peace and sanity.

[Anonymous No.7106134]

>>7106102
I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware. Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself - we are creatures that should not exist by natural law. We are things that labour under the illusion of having a self, that accretion of sensory experience and feelings, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody's nobody. I think the honourable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming. Stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction - one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.

[Anonymous No.7106141]

>>7106132
>couldn't be worse.
i meant if you're really suicidal and about to kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.7106146]

People killing themselves is fine, as long as they haven't produced offspring, in which case I would consider them to have responsibilities that do not allow them to cop out unless they kill their children as well. But you can't drag someone into this shit heap and then expect him to fend for himself.

[Anonymous No.7106171]

>>7106146
i was with you until the "unless they kill the children"

life is not an equation

[Anonymous No.7106200]

>>7106171
When they kill their children first they make sure no one is suffering because of them though, thereby minimising harm.

[Anonymous No.7106203]

>>7106200
killing someone causes suffering

[Anonymous No.7106207]

>>7106076
After your death you can't be sure you will be able to shitpost on 4chan. I won't take that risk.

[Anonymous No.7106238]

>>7106207
>implying you're not already dead

[Anonymous No.7106248]

People love to wax poetic about suicide and raise it up to a noble act of defiance, but most people who commit or attempt suicide have diagnosed mental illnesses and a predisposition to the behavior that goes beyond ideological explanations.

I've had friends off themselves, and none of them gave the kind of masturbatory Hamlet monologues like you see in these threads. And they had mental issues since they were kids, not to mention a family history of suicidal behavior.

[Anonymous No.7106253]

>>7106238
>hell is the Sartre hotel room unless there isn't anybody but a computer endlessly displaying the catalog of /lit/

[Anonymous No.7106266]

>>7106253
>Sartre hell except it's endless 4chan
Jesus Christ how horrifying

[Anonymous No.7106298]

>>7106248
also, some people in these threads just parrot stuff from depressed writers who never killed themselves

[Anonymous No.7106320]

>>7106134
Do you guys think this guy has seen True Detective?

[Anonymous No.7106330]

>>7106134
well memed

[Anonymous No.7106707]

>>7106134
ugh

[Anonymous No.7106732]

It's the bravest and most noble thing a human being can do.

[Anonymous No.7106929]

>>7106134

I will never take advice from Matthew McConahuehue.

[twinshia No.7106943]

As long as you can read and write and sleep and eat,
I do not think it is necessary to commit suicide.

[Anonymous No.7106948]

>>7106101
ophelia GO

[« 零 » !Ry9.FWKNDY No.7106951]

>>7106943

WHAT IF YOU COULD READ, WRITE, SLEEP, AND EAT, BUT COULD NOT GO ANYWHERE YOU WANTED, WHEN YOU WANTED, NOR COULD DO OTHER THINGS BESIDE THE AFOREMENTIONED FOUR?

[twinshia No.7106965]

>>7106951
You may be overcome with ennui,
although after several days of that you may also overcome it and find revelations in literature and your own writing.
It is a good question.

[Anonymous No.7106973]

I have discovered a truly marvelous proof that life is worth living, which this post is too narrow to contain.

[Anonymous No.7106991]

>>7106082
Suicide is nothing more than the completion of selfishness.

[Anonymous No.7107001]

>>7106076
Ambivalent. Suicide is really only a concern for the living, so once it's done, there remains nothing to think about it. It's just pulling that trigger that separates the plethora of questions and emotions from non-being. But new humans will be born, and that which made you you will return, regardless of any physical memory of any past existence whatsoever, what makes us ''us'' and you ''you'' will live until the last man draws his final breath.

It's like asking me how I feel about car bombs or things like that. If you die on impact, you will have no pain, you will literally just pass from life into non-being. Only the living have concern for the dead.

[« 零 » !Ry9.FWKNDY No.7107006]

>>7106965
>You may be overcome with ennui, although after several days of that you may also overcome it and find revelations in literature and your own writing.

IT IS AN ARTIFICIAL ENNUI, ENGENDERED BY UNNECESSARILY CONSTRAINING CONDITIONS; SUCH IS A SLAVE'S LIFE.

THE PURPOSE OF LIFE IN GENERAL IS TO OVERCOME ITSELF VIA FREE ONTOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT; A LIFESTYLE OF CONTINGENT ORDER PARALYZES THAT PROCESS, BOUNDING LIFE TO ITS CURRENT CONDITION, WHICH EVENTUALLY, AFTER GENERATIONS, LEADS TO A PREMATURE BIOLOGICAL EXTINCTION, THUS TO FAILURE.

[Anonymous No.7107014]

>>7107001
I think you're confusing the act with the result.

[Anonymous No.7107034]

>>7107014
I don't really see the act. Let's say it happens American style, gunshot to the head, there is the conviction of doing it leading up to it, sure. But ''the act'' in itself is just a push with your index finger. It's the thought of suicide and the preparation that seems to me to be the troubling part, not the actual acting out of it.

What I'm trying to say is that a lot of people would see suicide as a terrible thing, but if in a completely random outburst they'd drive their car into a tree and die instantly, there'd be nothing left to care about the loss of its life. It's hard to explain, I suppose, but the idea of suicide seems to me more problematic than the act, let alone the result.

[Anonymous No.7107035]

>>7107006
>after generations, leads to a premature biological extinction

who cares?

[Anonymous No.7107039]

>>7106076

Preferable.

[Anonymous No.7107052]

>>7107034
No I still think you're confusing the decision and action that leads to death and death. I'd characterise your position as "Well, it's over now."

If you want me to illustrate the act of suicide, for instance by a gun, the act would consist of loading the gun, directing the gun and pulling the trigger, during which presumably the suicide felt something in regards to what he was doing.

I also don't understand why the dead being incapable of sympathy should mean that the living cannot sympathise with the dead.

[Anonymous No.7107068]

>>7106076
Oh to be a solipsist and not be concerned about how it would affect those around me.

[Anonymous No.7107081]

kinda comfy tbh. it's comforts me that no matter how horrible of a situation i am in, i still have the ability to completely opt out of it. forever.

i carry a cyanide pill with me everywhere i go, actually.

[Anonymous No.7107090]

>>7107068
>implying anyone would care if you killed yourself

[« 零 » !Ry9.FWKNDY No.7107095]

>>7107006
>"... BOUNDING LIFE TO ITS CURRENT CONDITION..."

WOW.

I MEAN: "... BINDING LIFE TO ITS CURRENT CONDITION..."

[twinshia No.7107102]

>>7107006
>IT IS AN ARTIFICIAL ENNUI, ENGENDERED BY UNNECESSARILY CONSTRAINING CONDITIONS; SUCH IS A SLAVE'S LIFE.
It sounds more as though you have unnecessarily perverted your Weltanschauung.

>A LIFESTYLE OF CONTINGENT ORDER PARALYZES THAT PROCESS
Not following the corridor you have begun walking down is the paralysis.

There is no extinction, only transmigration.
Freedom is useless in so far as it diverts.
I choose to learn to confine myself to instruments: abstractions of physiognomical characteristics in extension. This Learning takes an eternity for even one idea.

I am going to sleep now so I will not reply to any responses I may receive from you. We are at opposite ends of earth, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.7107175]

>>7107090
Thanks for trying to help, but I do have people who would care. So do you by the way.

[Anonymous No.7107199]

>>7106203
Killing someone causes less suffering than not killing them.

[Anonymous No.7107204]

>>7106134
>I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution
Funnily, that's what I think.

Was this line featured in True Detective? I don't watch tv but I might watch this show just to check this out.

[Anonymous No.7107244]

>>7107175
They would care, get a little depressed for a while and then they would live without you just like that. You will die anyway.

[Anonymous No.7107251]

>>7107102
>tripfag took off its trip because it realized everyone ignored it
>still posts anyway
Put it back on.

[Anonymous No.7107263]

>>7106076
An excellent way to save on car insurance.

[Anonymous No.7107267]

only thing that prevents from suicide is i have been brought up religiously and suicide is a one way ticket to hell. Through the years I have come to dislike God for simple reason that in all religion you are given the choice of being pious and following God's rules or perish and burn in hell for all of eternity, obviously that's no choice at all. back to the main point if I had it in me to kill myself and believe there was no punishment or afterlife I would do it this very second and very last thing I would feel would not be sadness or crushing loneliness but peace

[Anonymous No.7107314]

>>7107267
I also grew up in a religious home. Imagine my surprise when I broke free and researched Christianity without the brainwashing and realized the God of the Bible is Satan. The Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship Satan. It's no wonder the higher you go in this world the more corrupt it becomes.

[Anonymous No.7107336]

>>7107314
Nice try Lucifer

[Anonymous No.7107349]

>>7107336
nice try demi urge

[Anonymous No.7107362]

>>7107199
it also causes less happiness

[Anonymous No.7107376]

>>7107362
But isn't happiness lack of pain?

[Anonymous No.7107528]

>>7107362
Yes, but that is unproblematic.

[Anonymous No.7107562]

Death is boring.
Suicide does not prolong happiness, only creates an escape from suffering.
Thus, since I want to continually want to have fun, there is no need to commit suicide.

[Anonymous No.7107584]

dudes if you want to kill yourselves just go for a walk or get to a bar or shop and buy some booze and stay out there and nag some people and do stupid shit and don't commit sudoku just grab a copy of ulysses or do just some shdn im drunk af but idk there's no point in killing yourself an d there's no point in living also but at least if youre alive you can see that and dead your'e just the pain you'll cause everyone else and just your death is stupid and dude elike what if we don't even exist?? i mean just any problem cna be solved merely becasue it's a problem anyway that's what I think about suicide **mic drop** shit I mean read for exmaple

· A Painful Case

and you'll see someone living the $solitary lifestyle and doing fine (the protganosit is a nietzsche lover though although it's early 1900s so i guess its understandable yknow nietzsche wasnt a fedora then)

· read some shit like whitman he is basically all the morale you need to recover because he speaks the fundations of all that seems to hav been forgotten in the us so just: "Song of Myself" nd you'll see that you're not alone and your role in this world might be cleared up a bit

· write some shit
not like, this shit
some good shit

[Anonymous No.7107587]

>>7107562
Non-existence can't be boring.

[Anonymous No.7107602]

Pretty tired subject on here tbh.

[Anonymous No.7107610]

>>7107199
It is the deprivation of life. It's wrong to deprive others of their time because you don't value your own.

[Anonymous No.7107617]

>>7106076
>>7106076
Suicide is not only an escape from life, it can also be a headbutt onwards death.

It is the only way to chose how you die.

[Anonymous No.7107619]

>>7107610
Why? When you end someone's life he doesn't feel deprived. In fact he can't be deprived because he no longer exists.

[Anonymous No.7107623]

>>7106082
>We come from an inconceivable nothingness.
>implying something from nothing

[Anonymous No.7107633]

My life is terrible and will probably never get any better. I would like to no longer be alive so I think about suicide a lot, but unfortunately I am too afraid to die and would feel guilty about its effects on my mother.

[Anonymous No.7107641]

>>7107633
My mom kicked me out of the house after her divorce.

[Anonymous No.7107657]

>>7107641
thats not good of her. i hope things are looking up for you m8.

[Anonymous No.7107664]

>>7107619
Feeling and actuality are exclusive. Life is innately good, and to deprive someone of that is an evil. Of the two that could exist, the absence of life is not a virtue, but rather neutral. To end a life prematurely shifts the neutrality of non-existence from neutral to evil.

[Anonymous No.7107682]

>>7107664
>Feeling and actuality are exclusive.
A non-existent person can't be deprived of anything.

>Life is innately good
Where do you get this premise and what makes you think it can be proclaimed as self-evident?

Are you Christposting?

[Anonymous No.7107695]

It's always hypocrisy. There is no consistent logic that can lead to suicide.

[Anonymous No.7107705]

>>7106076

I will not speak on some psuedo-intellectual "I failed math class so I became an Aristolian philosopher" bullshit.

If someone wants to kill themselves then they should be able to. It's their life. And they are not selfish for doing so. That's the risk you take when you get to know someone. They might die. The circumstances are irrelevant.

That simple. No stupid philosophy NEET bullshit that /lit/ uses to make it feel like their life of sitting in bed without showering is justified.

[Anonymous No.7107740]

>>7106951
>>7107006
>>7107095

Settle down, Kanye.

[Anonymous No.7107747]

>>7107705
>It's their life. And they are not selfish for doing so.
What if they have just had children? Wouldn't they have a responsibility?

[Anonymous No.7107766]

>>7106076
>Making a rule for yourself that you'll be allowed to kill yourself in 3 years
>All momentary suffering suddenly becomes insignificant, because you know you can just quit in a few years

Interesting.....

[Anonymous No.7107789]

>>7107682

>A non-existent person can't be deprived of anything.

Which is why the position of the person and objective truths are not exclusive.

>Where do you get this premise and what makes you think it can be proclaimed as self-evident?

It is self-evident, and calling it to question doesn't contest that fact.

Life is the potential for good or bad, but it is through the use of a person's faculties to experience and determine their existence that render it a potential for good. If you were to kill a person, you would be doing an evil for taking this potential away.

It is less a question of life being inherently good, than it is the experience, itself. Good and evil are relatives in life. One must exist to perceive the other. But the experience of this is a virtue. Knowledge is the greatest virtue of life, and it is attained through one's experience.

A child, being of the greatest potential to experience life, should not be deprived of life because of the shortcomings of others.

>Are you Christposting?

I didn't mention god once.

[Anonymous No.7107796]

>>7107789
>Which is why the position of the person and objective truths are not exclusive.

*are exclusive

[Anonymous No.7107805]

>>7107747
Ugh...lets see.

Have a parent who is suicidal and worthless that you can't escape from or....just have them jump off a bridge and give the kid a better chance at a better upbringing?

WHAT A TOUGH DECISION JOHN

[Anonymous No.7107809]

Very brave act.

[Anonymous No.7107819]

The only acceptable suicide is one motivated by politics/ideals.

[Anonymous No.7107826]

>>7107819
To be The Overman, and to let your convictions consume you.

[Anonymous No.7107830]

>>7106076
The men in my family have a history of offing themselves when they draw near to dying-age, so I guess I will too one day.

[Anonymous No.7107840]

>>7107830
Does a pattern really mean that much to you?

[Anonymous No.7107844]

>>7106248
except of course what is considered to be a healthy mental constitution is largely defined on a cultural basis and therefore any mentality of a suicidal person is automatically labelled insane. You are begging the question.

[Anonymous No.7107854]

>>7107840
If I'm old and dying already (these guys have been in their early nineties mostly), I can't see the harm in upholding family tradition.

[Anonymous No.7107867]

>>7107844
>except of course what is considered to be a healthy mental constitution is largely defined on a cultural basis
muh everything is relative

[Anonymous No.7107872]

>>7107844
>healthy mental constitution is largely defined on a cultural basis

TIL the entire field of psychology and medicine only applies to one culture.

[Anonymous No.7107896]

>>7106132
>couldn't be worse

I will say as someone who is ideologically inclined towards suicide although probably not suicidal in any tangible sense that one of the primary reasons I consider suicide is of course things can get worse. I could wake up tomorrow and have ass-cancer for instance. If I were to commit suicide I would be doing so on pragmatic terms. I would be doing it with a full understanding that my very nature tends to yield a gradual worsening of my circumstances, as indicated by a well established trend, and in the interest of avoiding the uncomfortable eventualities.

[Anonymous No.7107904]

>>7107896
>not dedicating your life to making last-ditch treatment methods more accepted

[Anonymous No.7107935]

>>7107789
If it were truly self-evident, how could I disagree on its self-evidence?

[Anonymous No.7107946]

>>7107872

first off

>TIL

hello reddit

Secondly you are overlooking the fact that human culture in many ways is monolithic. Culture is ultimately going to be a macrocosm of human nature. Our concept of self-preservation is primordial and as we can plainly see taken as a self-evident virtue. Evenso there do exist certain cultures which advocated suicide, of course Japan prior to is contamination with western ideas.

Also you are perhaps ust being disengenuous by overlooking the fact that modern psychology is on shakey grounds as a hard science to say the least. Its very foundations are grounded in western culture. In fact I seem to recall many experiments to apply western methods of psychoanalysis and sociology to other cultures, particularly insular tribal ones were thought to have failed by and large. I could be mistaken.

At any rate the fallacy stands but we simply shift the goal-posts. The post hardly refutes suicide on ethical grounds although it may imply advocation of suicide is both unpopular and unnatural.

[Anonymous No.7107969]

>>7106076
It should be a right to a peaceful death but it will be unlikely the case because of the principle of life from all humanist doctrines, doctrines which have been in power for the last centuries.

Until, of course, the feminists discovered that abortions are alright and must be enticed by the states since from now on, the principle of pain is more valued (if you desire something from the society, you must say, from now on, that it makes you sad and oppressed). From this, there is no longer a justification to forbid a painless manner to give death to yourself, paid by the states.

With the declining population, only the euthanasia is considered. The state does not want to give too much liberties, especially in liberal societies. The humanists of today do not understand that the philosophical suicide can be considered, since all they see is through pleasure/pain. Plus, the naysayers say that it opens the door to the suicides in mass. This is really quite a dilemma for all those humanist societies who rely on consent, whereas they violate this consent on a daily basis already, even from your birth (think of your nationality where your state does not ask you if you wish to be part of it, where the states do nothing to favour the stateless state (for individuals), or to move abroad etc.).

I think that in a few generations, probably after the century, we will come back from this life penalty, just like we came back from the death penalty. This statement is statistic, which means that a lot of countries will adopt this stance, but there will still be a few to refuse it)

the picture is the poster of an italian film on euthanasia and the last death is a form of philosophical suicide that so few understand.


I think that there is legitimate concerns over euthanasia. Typically, that we already abandon the old in some hospices with the result of them being sad and ill. The euthanasia/suicide-for-the-old would be a bad solution to a false problem.

[Anonymous No.7107975]

>>7107969
Now, the legitimate concern about suicide (=suicide of the young) is that the suicidant has responsibilities. It is the famous cliché that before you die, you subscribe a financial credit and never pay back. Or you conceive children, only to give death to yourself a few years later.

perhaps, some day, out of the cost of sustaining the life for the old, some country will be the ultimate utilitarian and give death to old people for financial reasons, but I doubt it.

I do not think that the state plots against the people to enslave it in some life penalty. I think the politicians talk about what the public want and can hear. The suicide is too taboo now, euthanasia is more or less hear-able, especially with such a old demography. Since I believe that the humanism will remain the doctrine in power for a few generations, once the euthanasia is accepted, it will be the turn of the suicide to be the subject of attention. I think that it just takes time and nobody can have, at once, all the liberties everyone can conceive.
more precisely, they talk about the affairs whereof they are aware, the affairs whereof the public likes. I do not think that many people will be concious of this kind of suicide.

The peaceful suicide having nothing to do with the hedonism, I think that the suicide in general will never be discussed if the doctrine/morality in place still focuses the feeling, such as it is today. I do not see a bunch of more or less healthy persons going into the streets and asking for a drug to peacefully die in stating that somebody hurts them and oppress them. Perhaps the whole mentality of how to deal with requests in a democracy will change, but it will not be for tomorrow if the change in mentality is gradual over time.

[Anonymous No.7107978]

>>7107904
>last ditch treatment methods

I don't follow

[Anonymous No.7107981]

>>7107975
There seems to be several philosophical suicide. Typically, the nihilist person, disgusted by the state of world or its futility, as exposed in the book on history of the suicide. I think that there is another suicide, not the nihilist one nor the one out of despair, but the last one that is exposed in the film. To wit, the suicide where the suicidant is calm and serene about its death. It is a suicide full of quietude. There is a few documentaries on youtube on the swiss group which gives the drug to the sick (who qualify). One person is at peace and is actually glad to have this opportunity. She is sick though, so perhaps she would not have taken the drug if she was healthy, since a chronic disease takes its toll. Typical suicide is Deleuze, and my bet is that he would have applied to get this drug, if it were available at his time.

From the medical staff working in geriatric wards, as well as from the the families directly concerned about the peaceful suicide, the more the suicidant talks about his death, the more it is accepted. This is why I see this suicide becoming trendy since, once more, the ageing population calls for it.

As a last note, the drug that is used today costs 30 euros for a lethal dose. In the grey market it is ten times more. From this, we clearly see that the technology is here, so it is all about the mentalities.

My stance is that the first step in life is to reflect on the suicide.. That is to say, that the beginning in life is to reflect on its end. The first question to me is the one of the solipsism and the knowledge. To know that you will die, you must recognize that the others are a bit like your self. So it is like Camus, that suicide is one of the most relevant question, but I think that a solipsistic stance does not call for a suicide. The suicide comes just after the one of the knowledge, since you have no knowledge nor proof that you will die.

[Anonymous No.7107983]

>>7107981
i am not a vitalist à la Nietsche or Deluze, Camus, though . I think that the humanity's essence is to work on reflexivity (relating to the consciousness), solipsism. For instance. I see the animals as having poor reflexivity, and good solipsism. They are what they feel. They are not detached from their emotions, nor thoughts, nor self. They are as close as their skin as it can be. Idem with the women.

men are the same during infancy, but my bet is that our job is to be like those buddhists (not the hippies buddhism) to become selfless, to be in control of our body and mind.

A burning animal would scream and run in every direction. A burning man would not do this, because it has reached a higher essence than the one of its animosity

[Anonymous No.7107991]

>>7107978
As in, treatment methods that could cure diseases, but aren't used because they can result in death. Even if somebody's death is assured if nothing is done for them, the doctors performing treatment on them will be held accountable if the treatment kills them.

[Anonymous No.7108022]

>>7107946

First off,

TIL is a relative to the internet, not reddit.

Secondly:

Having a hatred toward a website because 4chan told you to is sad in any culture.

Third of all:

Mental health issues leading to suicide are not comparable to suicide for political reasons. Do not conflate the two.

One is a mental defect leading to desperate measures, while another is the act of ending your life in accordance to a rationalized belief system.

>Culture is ultimately going to be a macrocosm of human nature.

I can't tell if you're suggesting this is already the case, or if you are predicting that man, through some arbitrary process of evolution, will transcend all of its primal instincts.

>modern psychology is on shakey grounds as a hard science to say the least.

I've come across issues of inconsistency within the field, but never any empirical evidence to suggest disregarding the entire field. Your emphasis on psychology being a soft science in this contexts appears anecdotal.

[Anonymous No.7108038]

>>7107584
I like this wino.

[Anonymous No.7108043]

>>7107695
I'm feeling pain. I don't want to feel more pain, it is unbearable.

[Anonymous No.7108076]

>>7107695
Well in modern terms yes. But in ancient times suicide was a way of preserving honor. The Romans/greeks/japs used to do that shit all the time. To a certain degree Socrates commited suicide using his own logic.

>>7108043
That is still narcissistic.

[Anonymous No.7108130]

>>7106082
>but because he is too well endowed.
you're tellin me

[Anonymous No.7108178]

>>7107376
>>7107528
these responses make no sense

[Anonymous No.7108184]

>>7107935
you could be intentionally self delusional
or
a retard arguing just to argue.

[Anonymous No.7108186]

>>7108178
Less happiness is not a problem to those who do not exist since they are incapable of experiencing the feeling of missing out on some hypothetical happiness.

[Anonymous No.7108191]

>>7108184
Or your opinions are just that and even your deepest wish to universalise them does not make it so.

[Anonymous No.7108216]

Individualistic morals are dumb.

[Anonymous No.7108217]

>>7108191

That last guy wasn't me, but I echo his sentiment. You seem to be under the impression that in order for life to be virtuous, it must consist of a higher degree of happiness in relation to unhappiness.

>Or your opinions are just that and even your deepest wish to universalise them does not make it so.

Considering you haven't presented any argument to dislodge my claim, what would you like me to do but to reassert it?

It's like a child that keeps asking 'why?' What is there to say but 'why what?'

[Anonymous No.7108235]

>>7108191
>>7108217

As well, what is there to say of a society that disregards the right to life? That applies apathy to the act of killing?

From a societal standpoint, it is no society at all. It is the regression to the state of nature. In which case, all will live in fear from the constant threat of death. Advancement of man will no longer be feasible. The result would be the perpetuation of misery in existence. Regardless of your position on death, you have made the experience of life less enjoyable, so that subscribing to your own view, have done a great evil.

[Anonymous No.7108236]

>>7108186
>they are incapable of experiencing the feeling
what are you trying to prove here?

Pre-death the person can think about their ideal future, and can feel upset at the prospect of not being able to fulfill it, requiring them to think that after death is completely retarded.

I'm done with this back and forth anyway, i can tell you haven't thought about this enough

[Anonymous No.7108266]

>>7107584
Actually, in spite of the inhebriation of its crafter, this passage is about as cogent as any typical argument you get against suicide.

[Anonymous No.7108291]

>>7108217
You can't really dislodge arbitrary value judgements except by pointing out that they are arbitrary value judgements. Life isn't inherently anything, goodness is a quality ascribed by people.

[Anonymous No.7108298]

>>7108236
>Pre-death the person can think about their ideal future, and can feel upset at the prospect of not being able to fulfill it
This being upset is instantly solved by killing the person, thereby having done away with all problems.

I don't see how this is hard to get.

[Anonymous No.7108307]

>>7108291
>arbitrary value judgements

Are you taking a piss?

See:

>>7108235

[Anonymous No.7108318]

>>7107819
Thats a relief. Now I can kill myself when Trump or Hillary Clinton win the election

[Anonymous No.7108342]

>>7107867
Do you want to know how I know you have no argument?

[Anonymous No.7108348]

>>7108307
The problem in that case is not killing enough of them rather than too many. The fear is a side effect of being alive, killing them will solve that problem.

I'm quite serious. Murder is the answer to all our problems.

[Anonymous No.7108350]

>>7107991
Okay I was worried about looking like an idiot if I simply questioned your sanity but I'm just going to go ahead in that course of action.

[Anonymous No.7108356]

good if you're a homosexual teenager or unemployed unmarried middle aged guy i guess

[Anonymous No.7108361]

>>7108348
let's say for example everyone agreed and you were the first one murdered in a horrific manner

[Anonymous No.7108366]

>>7108298
>I don't see how this is hard to get.
pretty ironic I must say

[Anonymous No.7108385]

>>7106076
personally, i'd never consider doing it again. i don't want those who love me to suffer because i decided to kill myself. i love them too much.

[Anonymous No.7108402]

>>7108348
>The fear is a side effect of being alive
Yes, that's one of the negative effects of the many.

>The problem in that case is not killing enough of them rather than too many.

Your argument relies on the idea that humanity is innately evil because its suffering is disproportionate to happiness. Circumventing the whole argument as to why that's a poor metric, what makes you think humanity is suffering more? And furthermore, on what grounds do you stand to suggest dislodging humanity's potential to overcome its follies and bring for the era of the Overman-- being a perpetual era of happiness with minimal suffering, ranking life far beyond neutral?

Killing everyone would result in no perceived suffering, but what you'd have done would still be an evil. That is the consequence. You don't seem to recognize virtue beyond the present. If you are given the prospect of two futures. One is filled with potential for happiness, and the other of nothing, it is the first situation that is more virtuous.

What kind of person, if not a malevolent one, would choose to rob man of his freedom to determine his own happiness?

[Anonymous No.7108415]

>>7108356
What if you are a bisexual guy with the life-skills of a teenager and you have no job history and a woman has never even touched you intimately.

[Anonymous No.7108444]

>>7106076
Avoid at all costs preferably, people often make the mistake that life will never improve, through hardwork you'll often find that it will always turn out better.

If there is no possible solution to your woes, or you live in absolute constant despair and agony that will never end, suicide is most definitely an option, just make sure you do not leave anyone who loves or depends on you behind.