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Anybody like this book?

Fav. quote/part?

I take special pleasure in where he calls the use of the Beethoven's fifth as a sin oh so passionately.

>> No.709347

7th chapter 3rd part

>> No.709359

Yes, but always find myself thinking in that slang after reading it.

>> No.709365

>>709347

Where he realizes he killed the woman?

>> No.709367

>>709359

Speaking pretentiously in that slang of course, my brother.

>> No.709368

i loved that book. I appreciated the irony of he priest being the only guy who understood why controlling people is bad

>> No.709375

>>709368

He understood, however I think his whole take on it was also kinda naive. I mean the whole experience did work. He became civilized by the end because of it.

>> No.709388

its the movie i saw, didnt a book exists. Twas cool.

>> No.709392

>>709388

I love the movie too. I like the way Alex is more manipulative and smug in the movie. In the book he's more like a robot prone to violence at least in the beginning.

>> No.709460

when he goes home in part 3

>> No.709462

>>709375
he didn't become civilized because of the ludavic technique you mongaloid, the whole fucking point of the novel was a metaphor for growing up. He became civilized because he outgrew ultraviolence

>> No.709467

>>709462

You don't think experiencing the other side of the violence he inflicted in the first part influenced his change in the end at all?

>> No.709471

>>709375
only because he was on the recieving end of his own torments for once. You could of done that to him in jail without all the brainwashing.

>> No.709494

>>709467
no! that's the goddamn point! go reread the introduction by Burgess, he explains that the reason the kids were so violent was because when you're young you're filled with energy and motivation but very little ability to create, being destructive is easier. Then when you're fully grown you have plenty of creative ability but very little energy or motivation.

When Alex was still conditioned to feel agony from committing violence he kept trying to do it any, then what happened when he got fixed? HE WENT RIGHT BACK TO BEING VIOLENT, but then suddenly after he turned 18 he was bored with it and suddenly had the desire to be passive and constructive. The whole fucking point is that you can't *make* someone good, it has to be of their own volition otherwise they're not good at all.

the novel was a criticism of a movement in the psychological field that supported classical conditioning, Burgess argued that it ultimately didn't work and was a net negative.

>> No.709505

I liked it, it was a rly legitimate criticism of religion, religious people aren't good because they choose to be, they're good because they're coerced to be. That's not good at all

>> No.709518

>>709494

I see what you mean, thanks.

>> No.709522

>>709518
no prob dawg

>> No.709529

>>709494
Exactly. And the fact that shitty fucking director Kubrick didn't understand this is why the movie sucks so bad.

>> No.709536

>>709494

But if the whole point was that in no way can conditioning work at all why even include the extra chapter?

>> No.709547

>>709536
to show he came full circle all on his own, the novel deals with both the theme of morality vs. free will and the theme of growing up

>> No.709549

>>709536
To illustrate that what Alex went through is, in a sense, a normal part of the human experience.

>> No.709561

>>709529

You. I like you for saying this.

>> No.709562

>>709529

>implying directors have to slavishly follow the books that their films are based on.

>> No.709572

>>709562

Agreed. I think the movie has merit on it's own.

>> No.709662

Love a good anti-hero.

>> No.709672

Lurk more.

>> No.709676

>>709529
>>709494

The movie makes the same point. Is it edgy now to not like Stanley Kubrick? I'm apparently not on the ball.

>> No.709680

>>709676

We could re-enact some scenes from Eyes Wide Shut and see if that brings the edge back.

>> No.709682

>>709680

That was a low blow anon.

>> No.709692

>>709682

Merely meant as I don't think Kubrick could ever stop being "edgy" or perhaps "over the edge" to many people.

>> No.709723

>>709392

He seemed to have a large amount of authority over his droogs at first

>> No.709730

>>709723

novel or movie

>> No.709734

>>709676
Kubrick is amazing but I think he missed the point.

>> No.710379

My favorite part was in the final chapter, where Alex is describing how confused he is by what he's feeling - the way that he's growing up (without realizing it) and doesn't understand why he isn't in to the 'ol ultra violence. The way he simply can't comprehend what's happening to him, and the way it snuck up on him so suddenly and completely is exactly how I felt around 20 years old, and I wish I'd read the novel back then. It really articulated an aspect of the human condition that I wish I could have articulated myself at the time.

>> No.710384

>>710379
Goddamn. My version of the novel doesn't have the final chapter.
I've been screwed over. The fuckers.

>> No.710392

>>710384
They still publish it without the last chapter!? That's amazing. Or do you have an ancient copy?

>> No.710399

yep, ancient copie. Bought it when the local library moved. Pages are all yellowed. But i like it.
The look of the book goes well with the content.

>> No.710599

>>710399

Old books certainly do have their charm. I dunno what I enjoy more, the smell/feel of an old book or the pride that a new book is yours first.

>> No.710608

>>710379

That's pretty awesome. I love it when books connect to the reader like that.
I personally like Ch7. of part 2 where you really see the effects of the treatment. Especially with that goddess-like woman who he ends up groveling under and asks to be her "white knight."

Alex as a white knight was a pretty disturbingly amusing image for me,

>> No.711109

>>710599

By a new used book then.

>> No.711359

the raep

>> No.712233

oh my brothers

>> No.712323

jesus christ can we stop talking about this book? are you all 16 years old? it's a good book but give it a fucking rest. half the threads on /lit/ at any one time are going to be about this book, catch 22, or lolita.

>> No.712562

>>712323
ditto