/lit/ - Literature

>>7088014
The fuck does this even mean.

>>7088016
Just rec some Big Books fam

>>7088016
Literature that is anti-Enlightenment.

>>7088014
The Dark Enlightenment isn't books but blogs.

Thought there is "SJWs always lie" by self-described rapist Theodore "Vox Day" Beale, and it's pre pre dark.

>>7088021

how would someone be anti-enlightenment? You could dismiss the truth behind the concept, but arguying against trying to reach it seems kinda difficult.

Start here

https://www.reddit.com/r/darkenlightenment

google "moldbuggery"

start with the "Gentile Introduction" series.

be warned though- this will make people not like you.

>>7088021
Dark Enlightenment is such a dumb, chuuni term. It sounds like a name someone would give to his Forsaken-only RP guild in World of Warcraft.

How do these people expect to be taken seriously when they name their "movement" like this?

>>7088041
the main thing the DE movement is about is refuting the idea of human equality, which is what the enlightenment is based on

>mfw dampier

I need the Big Blogs

>>7088052

I'd argue enlightenment is not about equality, it's about awareness. An enlightened civilization wouldnt try to make everybody equal, it would make everybody work to their best abilities.

If anything, it would be more about equity than equality, like the ol' totle would say.

>>7088052
>which is what the enlightenment is based on

no it wasn't stop perpetuating bullshit dichotomies

>>7088014
fuck you illiterate piece of shit did you go to school for 15 years to be this dumb

>>7088094
>muh feels
Typical libturd.

just skim a few blog posts and start complaining about "the cathedral" whenever anyone disagrees with you. also become slightly more racist than you already were (pretty racist)

>>7088087
Enlightenment (Kant etc) is a defined philosophical term... How retarded are you ppl smh rme

>>7088043
>https://www.reddit.com/r/darkenlightenment
>Peter Hitchens
>"destroy a country"
>Peter Hitchens
>"everything is over"
>Peter Hitchens
>"fuck the refugees, even if we signed the Geneva conventions on refugees"
>Peter Hitchens
>raperaperaperaperaperaperaperafperapferape

>In contrast, a sensitivity-driven discourse lacks the playfulness of heterotopic discourse, taking every expression of difference very seriously. Rhetorical assertiveness and impishness, the calculated provocations of ritual verbal combat, linguistic playfulness, and calculated exaggeration are inexplicable to it as it lacks the detachment, levity, and humour within which these things make sense. On the other hand, those accustomed to combative discourse may fail to appreciate when they are hurting those incapable of responding to it.

>>7088021
>FUCK THE PRINTING PRESS

>>7088105
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with hating refugees, or rape.

Hitchens stuff is unjustifiable though

>>7088127
>trash A and trash B
Trash the same.

>>7088116
*tips mitra* only us gentlepapists have mastered da real banter

>>7088133
My wits are my rapier, care to do battle? I didn't think so.

>>7088048
Kek, this. The cut off gloves of philosophical movements.

>>7088153
>why even think if you can't use it to signal

just because you pussy sjws can't handle the Dark Enlightenment, doesn't mean it's shit or edgy. Fuck equality I say, I smile when I see that a refugee has died. Why? Because I'm not brainwashed by enlightenment ideology and I'm free to see shit how it is. Dark enlightenment is just using logic and applying it to politics. Why is it bad to be against mass migration and the degeneration of our cultures? Why is it bad to value tradition that we've been building upon for centuries? I bet none of you can answer.

>inb4 gb2 /pol
That doesn't count as a legitimate argument, before you try to stick your head in the sand.

>>7088170
>just using logic and applying it to politics
wow
you have never read one book in your life m888

>>7088170
Ah good to come across a fellow Sith Lord!

>>7088174
Nice refutation...
Or are you against using logic in politics? Do you think we should have a post-modern government or something? Fuck off and fantasize over zizek

>>7088048
It's a conscious attempt to grate cathedral sensibilities.

They would rather have the valiant Kshatriya aesthetic of collectible swords and those dragon coiled around a Celtic cross statues you buy at gas stations.

>>7088181
Mencius pls go

Heidegger, Rudolf Steiner, Tarkovsky

Adorno and Horkheimer to some extent to see enlightenment in terms of the shadow side of myth

>>7088170
The degeneration of your old culture is the creation of your new one. The choice is primarily aesthetic. You haven't been "building on tradition" just interpreting it in the same way that the people who let the refugees in are. The thing about STEM logic is that it doesn't really apply to politics, which are fraught with the wildcard of human sentiments. The point of STEM logic is that it's meant to be detached from that. The ultimate conclusion of it would probably sound something like "kill all humans".

If you are nice to brown people they're more likely to be nice to you. It's more likely to have a favorable outcome in interactions for you.

>>7088223
>If you are nice to brown people they're more likely to be nice to you. It's more likely to have a favorable outcome in interactions for you.

No if i'm nice to fucking niggers then i'm degenerating the culture

>>7088181
you're so under-read you're not even aware of what you're saying.
A political stance against mass migration isn't some unique stance of your 'dark enlightenment' club, not is the notion of a degeneration of a culture, nor is valuing tradition, nor is is all those combined. Every fucking politician and political theorist would tell you they're using 'logic in politics'.

I suggest you go read some intro to political theory/political philosophy, hopefully this will (begin to) rid you of your Dunning-Kruger. I honestly wish you the best of luck.

>>7088230
that's just ad hominem

>>7088105

>mfw you need some morality

>>7088227
You're just making new culture.

>>7088239
Anon, honestly, pick up an intro book to political philosophy. If you think you're already too smart for that, you're above that, just start out by reading the first chapter. It won't take long. Or if you -on a literature board- you prefer videos, go look at Yale's free course by Smith. Pick up an intro book on logic as well. I'm honestly trying to help you.

>>7088170
don't go back to /pol/, they're too smart for you there. go back to the comments section of my posting career

>>7088181
exactly what the fuck do you think a post-modern government is?

lol you fucking dumbass

>>7088170

wow this is low quality bait, or this anon is srsly deluded

If you're nice to fucking niggers then you are degenerating the culture

>>7088170
You realise logic is impartial and can't lead to conclusions other than those based on arbitrary picked premises, right?

That said, a few thousand drowning Syrians never hurt anybody. Their suffering is over and ours isn't increased.

>mfw when I trolled them god damn all

>>7088866
congrats, you do a great impression of a stupid person, which is something to be proud of I guess

>>7088866
But are you capable of trolling by acting smart rather than as a complete idiot?

>>7088883
It's an art; harder than it looks.
Probably the greatest piece of contemporary commentary; works are complete at the cabal.
Harder than it looks; it's an art.

>>7088922
there's much more than that, Fool!

So how did dark enlightenment and red pill related philosophies spread so far on 4chan seeping into major boards like /v/?

>>7089035
Most major boards have huge overlaps in userbase. /v/ in particular is an extremely popular and loosely moderated board, so it's probably either the most visited or the second/third most visited board for ninety percent of this site.

>>7089035
Anime was always reactionary ideology of neo-romanicism, in all of it's incarnations, be they moeshit, mecha or manime. The Root was always there.

>>7088048
Well it is essentially larping taken to its logical extremes

>>7088014
Mencius Moldbug is one place you can start. It depends on what aspect you want to focus on. Most of it is online though, and some of it includes fairly normal stuff.

I would visit the websitetes underneath for a general introduction and getting to find more books from that political sphere:
therightstuff () biz (check out their podcasts, "Fash the Nation" and "The Dailyshoa")
radixjournal () com
spawktalk () blogspot () com (good one race realism and ethnic voting trends)
alternativehypothesis () com
ameren () com

There are some books by various people on these websites.

What can I do personally in everyday life to fix the race problem

>>7089253
Also, you need to be mindfull of one thing, in poltics what the ideology says and what the followers believe and do are evry different things. People are believe by what to overtly believe, covertly believe and what thoguht/emtional habits makes them think. Some people understand this a lot more than other, it's the reason why someone can understand the political movement with highly rigours ideologies without ever having picked up a book.

>>7088014
>Where do I start with the Dark Enlightenment?

In the fucking trash can tbh, if you're going to be a reactionary at least start with de Maistre or some other counter-revolutionary and do it right, not this reddit-tier dark enlightenment shit

>>7089282
but reddit is "organic"

>>7088849
>Implying anyone who says their ideology "uses logic" knows what logic is
Same goes for statistics btw.

>>7089055
>>7089068
That doesn't quite explain why people on 4chan who criticized other forums for their groupthink fall into same damn thing so easily.

>>7089282
>not this reddit-tier
The political reddits have been better than /pol/ for a long time even with upvotes/downvotes simply because their discussions have more variety in them and they are more capable of self criticism.

>>7089428
I was actually sort of implying that he didn't know what logic is/how it works, Virginia.

>>7089437
>self criticism.
Little do they know it's a stalinist concept.

>>7089068
Anime has nothing to do with it.

I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to claim that in 2007, at least two thirds of this site would consider themselves atheists and leftists, and most of the last third apolitical. The cultural and political climate was completely different back then. The enemies of free speech and the establishment were the conservatives, Bush and friends. If you took the average 2007-era poster and brought him to this site today, people would call him a cringy fedora and tell him to fuck off back to Reddit.

The site changed over the years, starting with Obama and /new/, which became the breeding ground for political discussion on this site, replacing the old, tamer /r9k/, which back then wasn't a board for failed normalfags but a "general" board, where you went to talk about anything - /adv/, /lit/, /new/, /soc/, etc. didn't exist yet.

The biggest change was the rise of Reddit, 4chan trying to develop a culture contrarian to Reddit and the internet culture becoming more "politically correct". Ten years ago, if you complained about censorship and advocated free speech, you were considered a leftist. Now, a rightist. Reddit's atheism board made people aware of how cringeworthy they can be, and influenced 4chan in looking down on "internet atheism". Reddit being sexually progressive made 4chan call fags degenerate, despite the fact that 4chan literally created the term "trap" and that gay porn has been posted on this site from the start.

This is all related to /b/, the original board of 4chan, which started the internet activism on this site - which was, ironically, leftist. People today seem to know that old 4chan would spam "NIGGER" and think this must mean that 4chan was racist, but you have to remember that internet was much different back then and leftists were the "defenders of free speech". This was just teenagers being edgy. Real racists were considered the enemy - look up Hal Turner, a radio host, racist and Holocaust denier, who Anonymous raided.

There are two main subcultures on 4chan. Weebs and normalfags. Weebs came to 4chan because of anime and other weeb shit. Normalfags came because they heard of /b/, discovered the joys of what is today called "shitposting", being able to post whatever they want on a site with no usernames and seemingly no moderation, and eventually went on to discover and post on boards like /r9k/, /v/, /pol/, etc. /a/ isn't responsible for /pol/, /b/ & /v/ are. Those boards are generally out of touch with 4chan's weeb heritage and look down on anime as something for pedos and degenerates. Different boards, different cultures. They developed separately.

If you post a thread on /v/, linking an article by an SJW talking about how MGSV is sexist, you're going to get a 500+ posts thread. If you try to post a thread on /a/, linking an article by an SJW talking about how Cross Ange is sexist, you're going to get 30 posts telling you to fuck off and have your thread deleted.

>>7088048
Someone in the Dark Enlightenment blogosphere made a bunch of mtg cards for various personalities. It was as bad as it sounds, but is also a good summation of Dark Enlightenment thought (fantasy garbage).

>>7089739
what are you, some kind of 4chan historian? :^)

>>7089739
It was also the stormfag invasion.

>>7088866
Are you... Are you meta-trolling us right now?

>>7089739
I think it would be a bit of a stretch to classify most people in 2007 as leftists and atheists. I would say they were more weak liberals and agnostics.

The counter cultural tendency on certain boards on 4chan is weak in the sense that it is mostly "whatever is hot at the time I don't like it".

The strange thing about reddit to me was how unilateral the relationship between it and 4chan was. 4chan cared about reddit way more than reddit cared about 4chan. Back when people gave a shit about SA they didn't obsess over it like with reddit turning it into an insult, the most you got was "I hope you got 10 bux" type comments. You had people fearing people from reddit coming here with every shitpost being blamed on their evil influence.

Bringing back /new/ was a huge mistake because just like before it seeped out into other boards. Politics is always a dangerous game because of the type of people it tends to attract.

>>7089739

>The biggest change was the rise of Reddit, 4chan trying to develop a culture contrarian to Reddit and the internet culture becoming more "politically correct".

No, it wasn't. That is a symptom of the actual cause. Reddit is only one in a long line of boogeyman sites with which 4chan has attempted to start beef over the years out of sheer contrariness. tumblr, gaia, livejournal, ebaums have all worn this hat and there isn't anything special about reddit except that it's bigger than all those places. The actual biggest change was that in 2009 the American political establishment ceased to be led by the center right and became center left instead. This lead to the proliferation irl of left ideology as opposed to right ideology. 4chan, by nature reactive, "underground" and full of contempt for the world, therefore adopted a primarily right posture. If you want 4chan to roll left again, vote republican.

>>7089739
this is p. accurate but I think it should also be noted that 4chan and /b/ in general were started by refugees from Something Awful/FYAD, which was anarchic like early 4chan but pretty reliably leftist

>>7089849
There was no stormfag invasion. That was just a meme. Stormfront as a site stopped being relevant before 4chan was even created. It has the fame of being the most famous white supremacist internet forum, but that's about it. It's userbase and demographics are completely different from the type of people you'd find on /pol/. Our "stormfags" are homegrown stormfags, most of them are too young to have ever posted on a traditional, phpBB-type forum since those mostly died out 5-10 years ago, back when the average /pol/luter was still in elementary school.

>>7090009
>I think it would be a bit of a stretch to classify most people in 2007 as leftists and atheists.
Eh, I could be biased here. I was a contrarian little shit back then and acted contrary to 4chan's contrarianism and was always annoyed by leftist/atheist circlejerks and wished they would stop. Talk about a monkey's paw wish, huh?
>The strange thing about reddit to me was how unilateral the relationship between it and 4chan was. 4chan cared about reddit way more than reddit cared about 4chan.
You have to remember that Reddit is like 10x-100x times larger than 4chan, and it's an extremely (even more so than 4chan) mainstream site, meaning that literally everyone here knows about it. Most of Reddit doesn't even know 4chan exists. Just like how, say, most of Facebook doesn't even know Reddit exists. The two sites aren't really rivals, it would be like having USA and Belarus as rivals.

>>7090026
You always had boogeyman, but none of those sites were ever as huge and influential as Reddit was, comparatively. Well, SA pretty much gave birth to 4chan so it was pretty influential, but 4chan quickly eclipsed it in popularity and left it behind. Even before 4chan became a generally right winged side, Reddit was already seen as the enemy, and to a much larger extent than any previous enemy. I remember coming back to 4chan after being away for a few months and suddenly everyone started calling everyone else redditors. I thought it was some marketing trick at first, something like Kimmo Alm's spam.
But yeah, Obama winning was more important than Reddit becoming mainstream. I should have worded that differently.

>>7089828
We need some tbh
There are already /pol/fags that think 4chan was always the way it was now. In 5 years it'll probably be common knowledge that /pol/ has been around since 1996 and was the source of the most high quality discussion unless someone counters their disinfo

>>7090161
Bro there a tons of middle aged dudes on /pol/.

>>7090256
Lmao how do you know
Care to post infopics

>>7090723

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/opinion/sunday/seth-stephens-davidowitz-the-data-of-hate.html?_r=0

64% of stormfags are under 30 and from Montana, for some reason.

>>7090216
We'll always have screenshots and the archives.

>>7089739
>linking an article by an SJW talking about how Cross Ange is sexist, you're going to get 30 posts telling you to fuck off and have your thread deleted.
This is entirely wrong. But don't worry, I assume you weren't here when Ange started, neither were you here for many other /pol/ bait shows like SSY. But go on, be a revisionist.

>>7088223
>>7089739
>>7090009
This is only true because bush and neocons were republicans in name only.

>>7091077
It was a hyperbole, dude.

But seriously, go to the archives and look up /a/ threads where the OP contains the term misogynis* or sexis* and compare it to /v/ threads that contain them. There's a huge difference in mod tolerance, poster behavior and post count, and quantity of those threads. /v/ probably gets more of those threads in a month than /a/ does in a year, and /a/ threads rarely reach more than a dozen posts before 404ing.

And who the hell wasn't around when CA first started, it barely finished airing a season ago? Why would I even use Ange as an example if I wasn't familiar with the episode one "ass rape"?

And how the hell is this thread still up after 18 hours?

>>7091267
Real republicans and neocons would have driven the spics/niggers back into the sea

>>7091852
They would have been for the constitution and wouldn't push the patriot act

>>7092308
I don't think any kind of american party in office would have after 9/11
Stay deluded

>>7092325
What's your point dumb faggot? You think I was somehow speaking for the dems?

>>7092341
I want you to stop responding.
Kill yourself and go back to...

>>7092376
Faggot

>>7090738
Do you actually believe this?

I agree with the tripfag, 4chan was always edgy, contrarian, defined as against the mainstream. We were the weird kids in high school right? Not necessarily friendless neckbeards but social outcasts and losers looking for some outlet to their teenage angst and nihilism.
At the time republicans were mainstream and atheism was barely tolerated in the US therefore 4chan was atheist and apolitical or liberal.
Then the democrats got into power and SJWs gained huge mainstream influence, Christian views becoming more and more undermined and lo and behold, we're now NatSoc and pretending to be Catholic.

Bump for the serious discussions

>>7094386
This thread is shit, fuck you.

>>7089739
>at least two thirds of this site would consider themselves atheists and leftists, and most of the last third apolitical.

Stopped reading here.
Thinking that George bush is an idiot doesn't make you a leftist. It is as likely to mean that you're right wing and desire a better caliber of conservative for president or that you're generally centrist.
Even if 2/3 of 4chan in 2007 was economically left wing, which in itself would be a difficult thing to substantiate , 4chan has always been strongly against all kinds of left-wing identity politics , which is basically the defining characteristics of leftism if you're going to use the word "leftist" on 4chan at all.

>>7091572
>There's a huge difference in mod tolerance, poster behavior and post count, and quantity of those threads. /

You say that's because there's naturally two populations on 4chan that are mostly isolated and possess a distinct mindset from each other.

I say it's more likely because feminists are actually having a significant, measurable effect on the industry which /v/ is reacting against, whereas when some review on ANN writes a review about cross ange being misogynistic it doesn't do a single fucking thing to affect the state of the anime and manga industries.

Of course people aren't going to care about something that isn't having an effect.

Every board has a large cross-posting population.