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>What You Read
>What You Expected
>What You Got

>> No.7077905
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>taking book recommendation from girls

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>>7077901

>> No.7077910

inb4 corn

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>>7077909
>nothing about food
>nothing about nipples on breastplate
>nothing about "the more she drank, the more she shat"

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>>7077901

it was even better than I expected

>> No.7077937

>>7077924
>nipples on breastplate

This also. GRRM always repeated his own saying like nipples on breastplate, words are wind, dark wings dark words, etc. He was a try hard.

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>>7077910
it wouldn't be complete without it

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I'm glad I finished it, but it wasn't a fraction as good as I was hoping it would be.

>> No.7077972

>>7077951
perfect

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>> No.7077991

>>7077980
Is the Tolkien translation of Beowulf worth reading?

>> No.7078021

>>7077991
I wouldn't know, especially because I was just trolling.

I imagine it's the same as the Alexander Pope Iliad. Interesting, but unfaithful.

>> No.7078022

>>7078021
can you tell me how pope is unfaithful

>> No.7078035

>>7078022
Because rather than translating the words, it's going for a general meaning. That's not necessarily bad, because many translations do that. But Pope takes it a step farther and tries to make the "meaning" fit an English rhyming scheme.

>> No.7078054

>>7078035
>But Pope takes it a step farther and tries to make the "meaning" fit an English rhyming scheme.
care to elaborate? I don't see how a rhyme scheme necessarily detracts from the accuracy of the translation; no matter which translation you read there's going to be nuance you won't get because it's impossible to translate the language exactly. greek is a highly inflected language, and syntax is less rigid in the language than in English. All translators are giving you their interpreted best-reiteration because if they translated the lines literally they would make no sense in English. You're not reading Homer no matter which translation you read, and there's no definitive way to translate measure which one is more accurate because they're all the translator's best guesses. Which is why I don't think Pope's Homer is a bad thing to read: Pope saw it fit to adapt the poem to the English equivalent he thought best representative of Homer's vision.

tldr it's impossible to translate greek into english literally, it's all dependent upon which translator you trust most to interpret Homer's vision and methods, and who better than another master poet?

>> No.7078060

>>7077991
He calls Beowulf a knight and not a thane. It felt like a translation from the Renaissance that tried to make it "up to date" for the Renaissance men.

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>>7078054
You're making this unnecessarily complicated. So here's a retarded example you can grasp.

>Original language. Literal.
Blue sky is. Green tree is.
>Rough Translation
The sky is blue. The tree is green.
>Pope translation
The sky is blue, and the tree is a green hue.

The "Pope" translation takes liberties to make it rhyme.

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>> No.7078071

>>7078067
fuck I forgot to crop

>> No.7078074

>>7077905
Dude I just started reading that a couple days ago, it's painful, not even sure if I'll finish it.

>> No.7078076

>>7078063
Blue isn't a word in Greek

Anyways, provide me with an actual example first and not one you made up, otherwise you're just meme spouting.

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>> No.7078082

>>7078074
It depends. If you're a perfectionist/completionist, then finish it. At least you'll have discipline and know the end of the story.

If you value your time and have no problem walking away from stupid things, then let it be DROPPED.

Honestly, if you knew the ending...

>> No.7078085

>>7078076
>>7078063
>You're making this unnecessarily complicated.

>> No.7078093

>>7078085
Hardly. If you can't provide an actual example of Pope being "too liberal" with the translation I have no reason to simply take your word for it. I can just as easily claim any other translators do the same thing.

And, the point isn't that Pope isn't liberal; the point is that they're ALL liberal. You're ignoring the inflection of greek words. A translator has to decide which articles to use, how to structure a sentence, the diction, and a multitude of other factors. Yes, diction too, because believe it or not, not every word in Greek has a literal translation into English. Language isn't always 1=1

>> No.7078104

>>7078093
>I have no reason to simply take your word for it
Then don't, faggot. I've explained it, without knowing Ancient Greek, in a way that a child can understand.

If you're still not getting it, look it up yourself. Everyone else understands, doesn't care, or is too sober to respond to your possible trolling.

>> No.7078109

>>7078104
>I've explained it,
No, you've made some claims with no evidence to back them up
>without knowing Ancient Greek,
This is evident.
>a way that a child can understand.
Because you ignored half of the argument.

If you don't want to support your claims, don't make them. Sorry having a grown up discussion is difficult, maybe literature isn't for you? Name calling will definitely get you far when you have nothing else to say.

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> mfw a perfectly good thread gets derailed by faggots arguing about Pope's translation

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>>7078110
I know. I'm a few beers in, so I bit.
Ignoring from here on. Of course, he'll probably start samefagging, but at least we'll all know.

>> No.7078137

>>7078110
>tfw I asked the original question regarding the Beowulf translation.

Why do I always seem to start this shit?

>> No.7078144

>>7078137
Because only faggots and sailors and called Lawrence.

>> No.7078176

>>7077951
keked to infinity

>> No.7078197

Anyone have the one about "The Stranger"

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>>7078197
This one?

>> No.7078268

>>7078266
Thanks fam

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This took too long, but it was a mournful and contemplative goodbye to the worst author I've even encountered.

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>>7078360
forgot something essential

>> No.7078369

>>7078363
so much effort for so little humor.

exactly the opposite of the book.

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>> No.7078399

>>7078369
Feel free to make your own. As it is, that's exactly what I got from it.

>> No.7078439

>>7077951
am new to the board, would someone mind bridging the gap?

>> No.7078440

>>7077951
>sides
>another dimension

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>> No.7078593

>>7078363

>le contrarian face

any valid criticism beyond memes?

>> No.7078598

>>7078439
Commentaries on the Gallic War talking about corn a lot is a meme. The band Korn has replaced the usual pictures of corn in that image. See also: thank you corn father

>> No.7078682

>>7077980
kek, same here. I was expecting the meme book of the millennium

>> No.7078740

>>7077932
It's a masterpiece.

The comic in 'got' though? K's main criticism is that he was never humane, prone to existential crisis etc

>> No.7078741

>>7078110
DansGame

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>>7077901

Hopefully I didn't have the same reaction.

>> No.7078771

>>7078762
I don't get it

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>>7078762
more like

>> No.7078780

>>7078773
this makes more sense

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>>7078773
>>7078771

Maybe this one would be more apt instead of Jojo.

>> No.7078801

>>7078785
how's the book? worth it?

>> No.7078812

>>7078801

Gets a bit tiring towards the end but the ending itself pays off, you can tell Marquez was sort of getting bored of it due to the later ancestors weren't as interesting as the earlier ones but yes, it's absolutely worth the read.

I picked The Simpsons scene because there's a line in 100 Years said by Aureliano I think, when fighting the Conservatives and it reminds me so much of the "So we can marry our cousins", scene from The Simpsons so much.

>> No.7078824

>>7078812
thanks, i'll give it a shot

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>> No.7078939

>>7078379
Basically, except everyone always forgets to talk about the steampunk and paranoia.

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Loved these books though

>> No.7078986

>>7077905
Good pop fiction regardless

>> No.7079005

>>7078773
Lel

>> No.7079011

>>7078801
It's amazing. There's little else like it.

>> No.7079098

>>7078986
Pure garbage. It's contrived, stilted, and anti-climactic. I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time thinking about that dumb book.

>> No.7079278

>>7077951
well done.

>> No.7079957

>>7078923

non translated author.. interesting

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>> No.7080174

>>7079957
I don't think he ever will be translated

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>> No.7080233

>>7080200
Interesting--I just watched Tarkovsky's adaptation. Never read the book, though.

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>>7080200
Dat movie tho

>> No.7080767

>>7080738
Any idea of why it focused on this painting so much?

My interpretation of the movie, condensed,

>Reality is not an actual thing, but only a system of ideas and associations every individual has
>The "real" things we have are only concepts of what we believe and our memories
>Despite all of this, we still have love, and love gives us reason to live

But I just watched it two hours ago and I feel like it went way over my head. I'm a little disappointed in myself, actually, for feeling so inadequate. First exposure to Tarkovsky, and I look forward to more.

>> No.7080770

>>7080721
As a double amputee this is pretty funny.

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>> No.7080783

Anyone have the Blood Meridian one?

>> No.7080792

>>7077951
METAMEME
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>> No.7080797

>>7080767
I didn't read that much into it tbh. Or maybe I already settled w those ideas. Just love is powerful, the things you love can get taken away, everything is transient, it all sounds stupid out loud but damn that movie was feels city.

The movie is a lot like Inception, come to think of it, except, well, better.

>> No.7080799

>>7080770
but how do you type ?
inb4 the D

>> No.7080817

>>7080797
I felt pretty hard when Kelvin was holding his dead-not-dead wife and she was screaming at him

She had some nice bewbs though.

>The movie is a lot like Inception... except, well, better

You know, I thought of that while I was watching. And I thought of this, too:

>My job is to speak in images, not in arguments I must exhibit life full-face, not discuss life.
>The political is not compatible with the artistic, because the former, in order to prove, has to be one sided

Which are from Gogol and Tolstoy, respectively, but Tarkov agreed with them. He used images to tell a story and let the audience take what they would away from it. Nolan could learn from that. He's way too dialogue-heavy.

>> No.7080822

>>7080799
I talk to my computer and an integrated software transcribes what I'm saying into text. I had to buy a 4chan pass to bypass captchas because I can't do those.

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Civil Wars and spirit animals, what more could you want?

>> No.7080835

>>7080817
I'm afraid yr either way smarter or way dumber than me and also I need to rewatch it apparently.

The image thing is interesting though. Life is struggling so hard for a state of 2-1/2 D images on yr retinas and Solaris provides a bastardized version of that desire...

>> No.7080859

>>7080823
you forgot enormous breasts.

>> No.7080873

>>7080822
Out of interest, how do you read books? I mean, clearly you’re sighted, but how do you turn the pages? Or do you use e-readers with some kind of voice controls or do you just listen to audiobooks?

>> No.7080879

>>7080823
explain more?

>> No.7080883

>>7080817
Audio was the death of cinema.

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>>7077901

>> No.7080986

>>7080822
"ok computer. cuck. delete. CUCK. delete. c-u-c-k."

>> No.7080997

>>7078923
i enjoy depressing books, would recommend?

>> No.7081040

>>7080951
This is the best thank you for cracking me up holy shit

>> No.7081046

>>7078079
Well, then it was worth reading?

>> No.7081054

>>7080951

Same I could not believe that the emotional depth and width of what it means to be human was captured so succinctly.

>> No.7081057

>>7080997
It's dark and disturbing at times so yes, yes I would

>> No.7081059

>>7081054
Lit's diaries are prob pretty awesome tbh

>> No.7081063

>>7080738
It's your room m8? I mean whooaa that's comfy.

>> No.7081071

>>7080767
You are overthinking http://english.lem.pl/arround-lem/adaptations/qsolarisq-by-tarkovsky/176-lem-about-the-tarkovskys-adaptation

>> No.7081075

>>7080879
Well they market the book as being about some nerdy kid doing nerdy shit - when a big chunk of it is about living through a dictatorial regime in the Caribbean - with added torture

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There was an attempt.

>> No.7081088

>>7080891
Kapital is one of the earliest and most important works of economic history... in history

then you get a load of undergrad /pol/shits who think Marx can't into economics

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>> No.7081171

really wish more people would say if they recommend it or not

>> No.7081182

>>7081088
>thinks Marx can into economics
how's that labor theory of value going

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>>7081182
>>7081182
>>7081182
Marx was the first true economist. Get out of here you capitalist wanker.

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>>7077901

>> No.7081228

>>7081213
>who is Adam Smith
>who is Aquinas

>> No.7081282

>>7081137
>This time, he's Russian
Top kek. Your expectation sounds awesome.
I take it you did not like the book?

>> No.7081289

>>7081228
A theorist and a theologian.

>> No.7081298

>>7080891
kek

>>7081182
>still at the "what I expected" stage

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>>7078067

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>>7078071
>>7078067
>2015
>still forgetting to crop
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

>> No.7081502

>>7081046
Definitely. I read it a few months back and I still think about it regularly.

>> No.7081594

>>7078093
>>7078109
>herpdy derpdy doo
>you can never REALLY understand another language so all translations are equally valid

>> No.7081678

>>7081289
> A theorist and a theologian.

That would be marx....

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>> No.7081797 [DELETED] 

>>7081088
it's interesting historically but not economically.

a lot like the bible, scary to believe people actually take this stuff as true.

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>>7081678
>>7081797
Here's something more your speed. Try again in a few years, maybe.

>> No.7081995

>>7081847
hello /leftypol/ how's your internet recruitment for the revolution going?

>> No.7082017

>>7081995
/lit/ is 4chans leftist board, why are you suprised

>> No.7082023

>>7081847
Lol, and you're not elitists, riiiiight.

>> No.7082025

>>7081213
Damn nigga how much of Escobar's Salty Surprise have you been snorting?

Marx is an important point in economics but by no means the first or last word in any respect, regardless of your /pol/ or /leftypol/ affiliations.

>> No.7082031

>>7082023
/lit/ never claimed to be accessible and all inclusive faggot if you want a friendly hugbox where everyone agrees with your shitty taste I suggest reddit.

>> No.7082066

>>7082023

I'm not sure how you thought an e/lit/ist would be anything but.

>>7082017

No just more well read cttacm (compared to the average Chan man)

>> No.7082086

>>7082031
>>7082066

I wasn't talking about /lit/, I was talking about commie scum.

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>>7081063
>room
I live in a big empty house in the hamptons by myself. It ain't comfy but it sure is the literary life... :^(

>> No.7082186

>>7082118
ayy lmao :/

>> No.7082198

>>7077909
1/10 post bub

>> No.7082218

>>7078363
this is really hilarious

>> No.7082237

>>7078593
Not that guy but this is a meme thread.

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>> No.7082266

>>7081182
holds up pretty well empirically
http://reality.gn.apc.org/econ/Zachariah_LabourValue.pdf

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>> No.7082406

>>7077941
Jabba the Hutt was stolen by Star Wars

>> No.7082466

>>7082250
normies can't understand Bateman

>> No.7082865

>>7081137
So that's a not recommend?

>> No.7082961

>>7082254
Underrated post

>> No.7083991

>>7081282
I would recommend if you want 19th century european satire. It's inventive with some aspects of the plot and was entertaining in part, but it's bloated, definitely.

It was painted to me as a reinvention of inferno from a man Nabokov described as "strange" and a genius, so I thought it might have something about it like Bulgakov does. Unfortunately, my expectations fell short. I was expecting a lost gem of literature and I didn't get it. My toys are now scattered around the pram and I'm onto Egil's saga

>> No.7084712

>>7078363
wow ur so cool, I bet sam would really like you if he met you

>> No.7084725

>>7080738
is that from the south park episode where kenny becomes an ice skater and singer?

>> No.7084745

>>7081315
now thats what i call meta

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All those boners I got whilst reading.

>> No.7084834

>>7078021

Tolkien was a philologist, specifically of northern-European languages. Even if he is a celebrity translator, I would expect it to be accurate.

>> No.7084843

>>7081502

I would recommend Snow Country by Kawabata, it is thematically very similar.

>> No.7085080

>>7084712
What's wrong?

>> No.7085247

>>7082250
Remember that one hardbody that filled him with a nameless dread?

>> No.7085352

>>7080951
Know that feel bro

Good image. Tbh.

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>>7077901

>> No.7085833

>>7077932
that's my favourite book.

>> No.7085891

>>7084792
I really liked that novel, but I also hate it for how cringe-worthy it could be.

>> No.7085949

>>7078773
Oh i should read it...

>> No.7085960

>>7081151
hi John, horrible cover

>> No.7086458

>>7078364
lol'd

>> No.7086622

>>7080738
>empty beer bottles
>pill bottles (prolly empty)
>empty water bottle

stop tarnishing a perfectly fine bookshelf, m8

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>>7077901

>> No.7086768

Someone make this for me

>What You Read
House of Leaves
>What You Expected
twilight zone , 10th dimension , the labyrinth Minotaur , etc
>What You Got
prostate fingering and cameras just a whole lot of cameras and camera accessories

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>> No.7086803

anybody have the moby dick one?

>> No.7088350

>>7080823
yeah right. I tried reading that piece of shit. its fucking terrible, dont fall for this.

>> No.7088437

>>7086768
no?

Literally use paint you lazy fuck.

>> No.7088489

>>7080200
You should kill yourself. I'm dead serious right now.

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>> No.7089357

>>7082266
>; market price can be interpreted as a measure of
labour value and random price-value deviations as signals to which the market,
as a control system, regulates production.
>It holds up if we redefine to be operatively similar to subjective theory value
Science stronk.