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7069957 No.7069957[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

If there is no god, does it mean everything is allowed?

>> No.7069959

Wrong Dostoyevsky, anon.

>> No.7069966
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7069966

If there's no mommy can we do whatever we want?

>> No.7069968

>>7069966
I giggled

>> No.7069972

There is a god. And both the feverish adherence to his rules and the mindless hedonistic rejection thereof lead to dissolution in lead. Salvation lies on an axis perpendicular to both.

>> No.7069975

>>7069959
There is no such thing as a right dostoyevsky for this particular expression. It was a ascribed to him by camus I believe but not even Fyodor or Ivan has put it like that. Still it gives a very good idea of what his writings are about. In C&P it is the bible which sets the whore and the murdered onto the path for betterment and the rodeo guy does think himself a God (along with a Napoleon) when commits his deed. His demons (and his physicist) are smitten as well mainly by the lack of a God. The idiot instead is pious and provides the opposite idea: that fucking little Nastasya was wrong and killing her is wrong as well butonly if you are heavily into the Christ.

>> No.7069977

>>7069972
>There is no god. And both the feverish adherence to his rules and the mindless hedonistic rejection thereof lead to dissolution in lead. Salvation lies on an axis perpendicular to both.

See it works just the same with that minor change.

>> No.7069983

>>7069977
You're going to hell

>> No.7069985

>>7069957
except folk dancing, yes everything.

>> No.7069992

>>7069957
No.

>> No.7070095

You cant even create your own moral, the absence of truth or ultimate meaning to life dosent mean you actually can do anything

>> No.7070584

You see *sniff* it's pree-cicely because there is Gott that - *tug at shirt* - everything is, as they say in former Yugoslavia, permitted.

>> No.7070600

>>7069975
> but not even Fyodor or Ivan has put it like that

Iirc Ivan does say that, though more as a hypothesis than anything else. It's later taken literally by others characters, most importantly Smerdiakov. It's kind of a plot point, so hard to ignore.

>>7069957

Fun thing, in Giono's Strong Souls, Thérèe (I think) says almost the opposite: "I believe that when one is a good Christian, one should do everything one wants".
In others words, if God exists, everything is permitted.

>> No.7070607

>>7069983
Satan dindu nuffin and the fall of Man didn't happen.

I'm not falling for your hellohoax.

>> No.7070609

>>7069957
Just because you can, does it mean you should?

>> No.7070614

>>7069957
>holding the axe like that

triggered

>> No.7070666

>>7070614
more like
>handled

>> No.7070740

Yes, everything is acceptable. The good, the bad, everything is okay. Everything goes.

>> No.7070756

>>7070584
>>7070584
>You see *sniff* it's pree-cicely because there is Gott that - *tug at shirt* - everything is, as they say in former Yugoslavia, permitted.
truth

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>>7070600
>>Fun thing, in Giono's Strong Souls, Thérèe (I think) says almost the opposite: "I believe that when one is a good Christian, one should do everything one wants".
>In others words, if God exists, everything is permitted.
this is what people do not understand, because they watch the doctrine, they remain outside.

once you take the morality, once you make so that it does not make sense to think of behaving differently than the morality, then you have access to everything, but you do not want it. Whatever will you do , will automatically be in agreement with the morality, because you embody the morality.

>> No.7071171

>>7070600
>Iirc Ivan does say that, though more as a hypothesis than anything else.
>iirc
>yrw, he doesn't say that. That sentence is never felled but it is indeed his master's atheism that makes this upstanding serfboi like like an utter communist. Also YOU SHOULD HAVE ADDED SPOILER TAGS, you swine.

>> No.7071195

>>7069957

God was our safety net, now if you fuck up you just die.

>> No.7071201

>>7069957
>Implying there is no god
>Going off based assumption with no credibility

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>>7069957
It means that nothing is true and everything is permitted.

>> No.7071226

>>7069957

Why do you need a god and a guarantee of punishment to uphold morals and ethics?

Morals and ethics all come from within man. At one point in time some guy sat down and made up all of the biblical stories and analogies which have been the foundation of western law and society. Common interest and empathy uphold them today.

>> No.7071231

>>7069957
Depends how you look at I guess, I mean if you discard "God" from the equation, there are most certainly NOT any inherent rules to living on earth as a mammal, or any animal for that matter, you can find example of this at your local park....but then again the majority of us do feel like we are born with a sense of right and wrong, however I believe "morality" is (somewhat) just a delusion of our own consciousness, so I suppose everything is indeed allowed, but that doesn't mean society as it built today will allow it.