Why do people still quite Chumpski when he's a hypocrite who holds millions of dollars in offshore bank accounts and did research that was paid for by the Pentagon, an organization he demonzies whenever he gets the chance?

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Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:26:45 2015 No.7060339 [Reply] [Original]

Why do people still quite Chumpski when he's a hypocrite who holds millions of dollars in offshore bank accounts and did research that was paid for by the Pentagon, an organization he demonzies whenever he gets the chance?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:43:08 2015 No.7060408 >>7060339 His books on American foreign policy are breddy good

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:47:03 2015 No.7060427 >>7060408 He's a biased Commie shill who can't accept that socialism doesn't work. He has a bad understanding of the way nation-states' foreign policies work and his ethical standards can't possibly be met by any state capable of maintaining itself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:49:13 2015 No.7060436 >>7060339 Why do people care about pseudo-intellectuals that score them meme points around other people who want to feel smart instead of reading actually intelligent people who aren't as popular nowadays?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:50:35 2015 No.7060440 >>7060427 >He's a biased Commie shill who can't accept that socialism doesn't work I honestly can't tell if this is a joke or not. The chap (and socialism) has been so thoroughly and so unfairly slandered that you might actually believe this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:50:42 2015 No.7060441 >>7060436 Name one intelligent human. Protip: you can't

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:52:06 2015 No.7060450 >>7060440 Are you a socialist?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:53:55 2015 No.7060457 >>7060441 me, tbh

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:54:01 2015 No.7060458 >>7060450 That requires a rather complex answer I doubt any one here would find in the least bit interesting. Why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:57:12 2015 No.7060470 >>7060458 I want to know why you're defending the most destructive economic and political system the world has ever known.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:59:29 2015 No.7060480 File: 16 KB, 236x330, JandW1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7060470

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:00:22 2015 No.7060485 >>7060480 Answer the question, please. Are you a socialist?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:02:36 2015 No.7060491 File: 55 KB, 530x353, Appalling.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7060485

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:04:46 2015 No.7060498 >>7060427 You're just jealous that a communist makes more money than you.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:13:15 2015 No.7060521

>>7060491
Answer the question or I'll just assume you're a Judaeo-Bolshevik and ignore everything you say for the rest of the thread.
>>7060498
Stalin may have been wealthy, but his wealth consisted of a shitty state kept alive by tormented forced laborers and a powerful propaganda apparatus. He's no one worth envying.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:13:16 2015 No.7060522

>>7060485
You do know capitalism, while simultaneously partially responsible for the technological and medical revolutions, is also partially responsible for the extreme underdevelopment in the post colonial world. As is the shock and phenomena of ideological tyranny in the form of eastern European socialism stem from both militant parties, recent revolutions from monarchies, and catastrophic wars with other central European monarchies and fascist states.

History isn't black and white, rather a continuum of personality and curiosity driven ambitions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:14:31 2015 No.7060528 >>7060522 That's waaaaay too nuanced for me. I'm just going to blame the jews for everything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:17:20 2015 No.7060542 >>7060521 >Judaeo-Bolshevik Guys, guys - fellow /lit/erati. I'm justified in telling this gentleman to crawl back to /pol/ aren't I?

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:21:15 2015 No.7060552

>>7060522
>You do know capitalism, while simultaneously partially responsible for the technological and medical revolutions, is also partially responsible for the extreme underdevelopment in the post colonial world. As is the shock and phenomena of ideological tyranny in the form of eastern European socialism stem from both militant parties, recent revolutions from monarchies, and catastrophic wars with other central European monarchies and fascist states.
>AND YOU ARE LYNCHING NEGROES!
>I-it was the Nazis' fault that Soviet society was so repressive! Never mind the pre-war atrocities and the Soviet-Nazi pact!
I'm not falling for this old classic.
>History isn't black and white, rather a continuum of personality and curiosity driven ambitions
What's your point? Socialism paints a pretty black and white picture of history, this is an odd claim coming from a socialist.
>>7060542
>muh boogeyman

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:22:30 2015 No.7060558 >>7060542 I fucking hate 4chan. When my revolution comes all NEETS will perish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:22:34 2015 No.7060559 >>7060542 go for it, or just keep egging him on for comedy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:27:50 2015 No.7060589 File: 350 KB, 875x649, IsDatGawd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7060558 I'm sure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:41:29 2015 No.7060655 >>7060542 Keep trolling, I'm laughing my arse off here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:42:05 2015 No.7060658 >>7060589 You just need to understand the historicity behind socialism as a statewide internalized sociopolitical philosophy and why fascism, as a reaction to liberal capitalism, was also a tool to serve as an other for the communist tyrants.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:43:23 2015 No.7060663 >>7060655 >>7060589 >>7060559 >>7060558 This place is a fucking Commie den, isn't it? I thought that had changed by now. What happened to the good old days when we used to have Ayn Rand threads on a regular basis?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:46:51 2015 No.7060678 File: 5 KB, 601x695, 1441003313548.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7060663 noice

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:46:52 2015 No.7060679 >>7060663 Lol. No-one gives a shit about how you fight your ridiculous culture wars you knob. You're an irrelevance.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:49:05 2015 No.7060694

>>7060679
>culture wars
You think I'm some Fox News-watching Trump/Bush/Carson faggot? I'm a registered independent who believes in constitutional sovereignty and the rule of law. I only like free markets because the alternative is worse. Hell, I'm a fucking Keynesian.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:50:46 2015 No.7060703 OP here, no one has adequately answered my initla question. You're all hung up on ideology.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:53:30 2015 No.7060714 >>7060694 >Hell, I'm a fucking Keynesian >thinks that capitalism can actually be a closed system that doesn't require the constant incoming consumption of new capital and labor. Everyone point and laugh.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:55:38 2015 No.7060725

>>7060694
The allowance of corporate bodies as authorative entities will not survive.

The Keynasian notion of raising tender at the risk of debts is just allowing more cash to exist and bind us as a citizenry. And with cash becoming more fluid in electronic currencies this distanced representation of economic help dually serves as a tool for oligarchic pressure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:58:08 2015 No.7060743 >>7060714 Keynes takes that into account. >>7060725 >The allowance of corporate bodies as authorative entities will not survive. Do you have evidence to support this claim? You seem to be acting like you've had a vision of the future.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:06:00 2015 No.7060766 >>7060440 >hundreds of millions of deaths >unfairly slandered Top laff

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:09:52 2015 No.7060781 >OP posts a Slavoj meme >Goes on to make a stink about how much he hates the thing he vaguely understands as socialism Hmmm

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:14:02 2015 No.7060791 >>7060725 it's so bizarre how Marxists often have objections to Keynes that are basically indistinguishable from the right-wing/Austrian objections

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:14:20 2015 No.7060792 File: 98 KB, 600x868, 1436318037773-3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7060766 >muh hundred gorillion I thought a single hundred million was the agreed-upon figure, Murray

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:14:24 2015 No.7060793 >>7060766 >politically illiterate britbong Is that what R Farage told you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:14:35 2015 No.7060795 >>7060781 If you understand socialism you wouldn't be Socialist

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:18:54 2015 No.7060806 >>7060792 I'd rather be on the guy with money's side

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:24:08 2015 No.7060821 >>7060470 >Hasn't heard of feudalism

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:26:28 2015 No.7060828 >>7060793 >politically illiterate I take that as a compliment, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:31:49 2015 No.7060846 Itt: Americans

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:34:07 2015 No.7060856 >>7060846 ITT: eurobese who would flunk econ 101

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:36:33 2015 No.7060866 >>7060655 It's ASS you English dog!

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:36:44 2015 No.7060867
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>>7060828

Reminded of a quote...

>He is a man who is unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:39:52 2015 No.7060880 >>7060867 Quoting Hitchens with any degree of sincerity is pure pleb.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:41:27 2015 No.7060885 >>7060806 Fair enough, but using that reasoning makes your ideology sound cruel, biased, and shitty IMO.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:41:57 2015 No.7060887 >>7060880 The UKIPer would surely know about such things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:44:30 2015 No.7060894 >>7060867 Politics in the 21st century is a thoroughly despicable field

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:45:09 2015 No.7060896 >>7060894 what the hell isn't

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:47:28 2015 No.7060900 >>7060427 Isn't Chomsky an anarcho syndicalist? That seems fairly explicitly non-communist, and irrefutably not communist in the Marxist-Leninist sense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:47:42 2015 No.7060902 >>7060795 What country do you live in, faggot? >IT'S A FACT THAT EVERY SHITTY COUNTRY WAS SOCIALIST!!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:48:11 2015 No.7060905 >>7060885 The alternative is the side that explicitly states that it's proud of the millions of corpses it's produced. The exploitation if workers isn't as bad as the murder of capitalists.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:50:08 2015 No.7060911
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>>7060900

Don't waste your time. If it has a vague association with "the Jews" it's automatically thrown into the bad pile.

In other words, we're dealing with an A-grade cretin here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:50:32 2015 No.7060912 What did Zizek mean by that quote? Does it make sense in context?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:51:25 2015 No.7060917 >>7060912 Zizek's purpose isn't to make sense.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:52:52 2015 No.7060930

>>7060905
It's almost like there's a middle ground, between totalitarian communism and pure capitalism.... What am I thinking of? Something about workers controlling the means of production. You know, like communism, but with the power in the hands of workers/voters instead of a state.
Bet Chomsky would hate that though....

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:56:23 2015 No.7060944 >>7060902 United States you double nigger. We are only 43 percent Socialist

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:57:03 2015 No.7060947 >>7060930 It's too bad that utopian Communism is exactly utopian. You're a moron if you think it's possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:59:48 2015 No.7060962 File: 15 KB, 207x191, MuhSensibilities.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7060947 >point made >quite some distance >a bit more >... >your comprehension Why O why are people so stupid?!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:01:25 2015 No.7060970 >>7060944 >>7060947 >WORKERS CONTROLLING THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION It's literally the definition of socialism you two blathering retards.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:09:51 2015 No.7061007

>>7060962
He explicitly said totalitarian Communism, which is different from utopian Communism. If he wasn't talking about utopian Communism, whatever he was talking about would basically be utopian Communism.
>>7060970
No, that's Communism. Socialism is the process whereby the workers seize control of said means.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:13:12 2015 No.7061023

>>7061007

>He explicitly said totalitarian Communism, which is different from utopian Communism. If he wasn't talking about utopian Communism, whatever he was talking about would basically be utopian Communism

Is this your attempt at redeeming yourself?

Chap...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:18:00 2015 No.7061052 >>7061023 Is that supposed to be a response? Anarcho-syndicalism is a fever dream.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:21:10 2015 No.7061067 >>7061052 So fucking what? Some people aren't content with second best. Or seventh best.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:38:13 2015 No.7061133 >>7061067 You'd rather believe that your imaginary perfect world ican be attained in your lifetime, contrary to all evidence? I seriously hope you're a theist, and I honestly don't understand why you would fight for an impossibility.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:40:12 2015 No.7061144 He never looks happy. He strikes me as a miserable little man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:47:23 2015 No.7061185 >>7061144 really? I find it the opposite, he always seems to enjoy his lechures and really gets into him Look at him at home talking about his son one minute in to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54CeL2z9yrs

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 20:40:21 2015 No.7061445 >>7061133 Haha I'm an atheist, and if I didn't fight and argue for the principles I believe in, I might as well save some time and blow my brains out.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 20:42:42 2015 No.7061451

>>7061133
>You'd rather believe that your imaginary perfect world ican be attained in your lifetime, contrary to all evidence? I seriously hope you're a theist, and I honestly don't understand why you would fight for an impossibility.
You don't understand humans very well, then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2rd8rRQqe0

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 20:48:21 2015 No.7061464 >>7061451 >not posting the obvious choice from that play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsNJtTKdUec

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 21:44:24 2015 No.7061695 >>7061445 Get some more realistic principles, bucko. >>7061451 >>7061464 >They think that art shows human nature better than humans themselves do Fags

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 21:47:56 2015 No.7061712 >>7060703 PURE IDEOLOGY SNIFF SNIFF TUG TUG

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 21:49:37 2015 No.7061719 >>7061695 >>They think that art shows human nature better than humans themselves do The fuck are you on about m8?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 00:06:55 2015 No.7062196 >>7061185 Huh, I guess it's just the beard, then. Beards sure can make you look like a severe motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 02:50:26 2015 No.7062539 >>7060694 >I like free markets >Keynesian pick one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 06:27:22 2015 No.7062601 >>7061719 The idiots posted songs from a musical, as if the content of a work of art could yield accurate sociological or economic data. >>7062539 A little intervention keeps everything free.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 06:30:39 2015 No.7062607 Chomsky is Russel Brand in a tweed jacket he tells dumb dumbs what they want to hear

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 06:34:05 2015 No.7062613 >>7060339 What is this quote taken from?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 06:44:38 2015 No.7062625 >>7062613 Slavoj Zizek, Marxist-Leninist philosopher extraordinare

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 06:51:59 2015 No.7062635

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz11K1wUbrc

>Wow, what an apologist. This man is definitely advocating pograms and will send all the rich people to a gulag; and you sound completely rational and not even a little bit like an ignorant reactionary...

You're not even a particularly good reactionary, because you didn't bring up his supposed support of the Cambodian Genocide, as any rightist worth his sand would have. Even then, all you could have said was that he accused the media of fabricating Cambodian crimes, after they essentially instigated the situation which lead to the Khmer Rouge's accession by bombing the country to the stone age.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 06:54:19 2015 No.7062639

>>7062601
>The idiots posted songs from a musical, as if the content of a work of art could yield accurate sociological or economic data.
No one was talking about sociological or economic data, you autist, they were talking about your inability to comprehend why some person might fight for an impossibility. Which incidentally only makes your assburger's more evident.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 06:55:11 2015 No.7062640 >>7062635 >WAHHH REACTIONARIES ARE WRONG BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THEM >WAHHH EVERYONE I DISAGREE WITH IS A REACTIONARY You're literal scum.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 06:56:16 2015 No.7062641 >>7062639 I'm familiar with the human tendency to be committed to impossibilities. I'm just trying to point out that you're all going to be disappointed when you end up in jail under what will inevitably become totalitarianism.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 07:19:36 2015 No.7062661

>>7062640
Alright then. Let's look directly at your accusations, and their relevancy and meaning.

You point to his (1) wealth; and the fact that he (2) did research that was paid for by the Pentagon, presumably meaning that he has no right to criticise it.

(1) I would reply that in his original field, he was described as "the father of Linguistics," before he went on to also work as a philosopher and political advocate. He has published over 100 books, is one of the most cited people in history. He has made contributions to artificial intelligence, cognitive science, computer science, logic, mathematics, music theory and analysis, political science, programming language theory and psychology. His contributions to thought are almost unbelievable. Therefore, it's relatively unsurprising that after a career of over sixty years of hard work he has some money left over, which is approximated by a site that was trying to smear him as a mere 2 million. If he is the hyppocritical closet capitalist that you are attempting to paint him as, one could logically surmise that the vast majority went to charity.

And now for the second part of this (2). People actually did attempt to have him removed because of his views, but his theory of language and other work was considered too influential. But more importantly, such a matter shouldn't actually matter, only his theory's and whether his work is leading to a better tomorrow should. It honestly doesn't seem as though you've read a single word of his work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 07:22:59 2015 No.7062664 >>7062661 >theory's You meant theories, I'm guessing. The fact of the matter is that he's a liberal hypocrite, no better than Naomi Klein or Rachel Maddow. His research for the Pentagon proves it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 07:26:16 2015 No.7062669 >>7062664 Yeah sorry about the typo fam, it was pretty dumb tbh (to be honest) smh (shaking my head)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 07:27:19 2015 No.7062670 >>7062669 So you must agree that Chomsky is a hypocrite and a liar

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 07:27:58 2015 No.7062672 >>7062664 Can you site anything in his work that you disagree with?

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 07:33:34 2015 No.7062679

>>7062670
When you read his work, one can't help but be struck by how well cited all of his arguments are. And I just covered how Chomsky's supposed hypocrisy is generally irrelevant. If you like, I would also add that he's both more honorable and charitable then anyone you could mention.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 07:37:35 2015 No.7062689 Chomsky now has a Brazilian second wife who was born in 1965, so she's younger than his kids. He's obviously a creep.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 07:45:26 2015 No.7062699 >>7062679 Sorry, that last part was unnecessary. I'm tired, and I don't want to act the prick, particularly when my writing is shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 08:03:32 2015 No.7062712 >>7062672 His Anarcho-syndicalist/Socialist position. >>7062679 >>7062699 He's a hypocrite.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 09:31:51 2015 No.7062798

Literally everyone is a hypocrite. No human world view is based on pure facts, rather (subconscious) power considerations.
Subjective experience being a part of the universe also contradicts the existence of "pure" facts in the universe, our brain can only create subjective models of the universe.

So what is left is judging people on traits you find admirable. And Chomsky has a bright mind and can deliver a cohesive story backed by many [citations], making him a very interesting person to listen to/read.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 09:42:57 2015 No.7062806 >>7062798 Don't bother anon, you're arguing with one of those people who's convinced they have everything perfectly figured out and just wants you to admit it, not hold an actual discussion

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 10:27:31 2015 No.7062867 >>7060339 Space isn't stupid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 10:28:49 2015 No.7062871 >>7060427 >Chomsky is wrong, I (teenager in 4chan) am right welcome to the Internet

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 10:32:01 2015 No.7062874 >>7060552 >Socialism paints a pretty black and white picture of history n e v e r r e a d M a r x : t h e p o s t

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