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7053297 No.7053297 [Reply] [Original]

What exactly constitutes art. Why would video games not be considered art but literature be considered art?
What about anime?
Why would video games be considered art, but anime not. And here, why would anime be considered art (if considered art) but western cartoons wouldn't?

Are all films art, or is the modern blockbuster not art at all?

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>> No.7053301

my diary tbh

>> No.7053305

inb4 people start talking about gamergate fo rno reason

>> No.7053308

all of those things are considered art
'art' is not indicative of quality

>> No.7053312

>>7053297
Art and entertainment are overlapping.
They can be both or one or the other.
It can depend on what the author intended or the finished product and what people get from it.
In other words, it is subjective.

>> No.7053317

What is the video game canon?

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>>7053297
>uneducated neckbeard philosophizing
who would have guessed it?
never seen THIS thread before

>>7053312
>>7053308
this is accurate, if you believe descartes in that everything is inherently fallible because of different opinions
so we can't say whether art is one thing or another because there is no true consensus on what determines it
without picking sides on the grand debate, that is.

I'm going to get back to work now, please don't shit up this board further OP

>> No.7053334

Murder simulators can never be art.

>> No.7053340

>>7053334
Spec Ops: The Line
It turns the murder against you and makes you question your choices and ethics.

>> No.7053344

@7053334
really???? i dont think so dude

>> No.7053345

>>7053317
probably icycalm

>> No.7053346

>>7053334
Is a book that involves killing a murder simulation?

>> No.7053349

>>7053345
I saw his list before, but post it again if you have it

>> No.7053354

>>7053340
"You enjoy all the killing! That's why!"

>> No.7053355

>>7053340
Spec Ops is fucking garbage that doesn't make you question anything

>> No.7053356

>>7053334
a super-realistic VR game where you have to commit murder in a normal society setting would probably be worth experiencing actually

>> No.7053370

>>7053345
Icy's tastes are too specific, as can be clearly seen in his treatise on art. Would prefer a list from someone who isn't categorically against "artfag" stuff

>> No.7053375

>>7053356
... fallout 3 has this exact thing
lad
called tranquility lane

it's pretty poorly done though unfortunately

>> No.7053378

>>7053370
the problem with 'art games' is that they're mostly shit and fail at what they're trying to do (namely be good art)
dark souls is probably the only modern game that comes close to being called good art

>> No.7053390

>>7053375
haven't played it but I'm sure it's too primitive
I was thinking in a future tech scenario where you're basically transported via vr-tech into a somewhat accurate replica of reality where people respond intelligently and such, obviously something impossible for at least the next twenty years at least

>> No.7053395

>>7053378
I don't care for most of the popular "art games" like Braid or Journey or whatever, but there are several obscure ones I like (that offer a genuinely interesting or uncanny experience) that I know for sure he would shit on

>> No.7053407

>>7053395
Name some names.
>>7053378
Dark souls is okay but it's nothing amazing, it just has vague "worldbuilding" and good atmosphere, otherwise it's just a generic dungeon crawler

>> No.7053423

>playing video games beyond the age of 13

I honestly can not understand how so

>> No.7053427

>>7053407
dark souls seamlessly integrates a number of different western philosophies, mythologies and art works to realise a fully cohesive and convincing world and lore
it's one of the only games where you can tell it's the product of a well read director with a singular vision
as a video game it's not perfect (but it's still great) but in 10-15 years it will be remembered as one of the seminal works

>> No.7053429

>>7053407
>Name some names.
Mainly think of games made by thecatamites and similar developers

>> No.7053432

>>7053423
You're probably autistic.
It's okay, I think we all are a little bit.

>> No.7053435

>>7053429
thecatamites is so cool. space funeral and murder dog probably get closer to great art than any other games i've played. i'm not the guy you were talking to btw, just somebody who thinks games could have potential to be great art but so far have been incredibly disappointing as a medium

>> No.7053442

>>7053429
>>7053435
I played middens for a little while, is space funeral more of this fucking archaic JRPG bullshit or is it playable for someone who doesn't want to be stopped by obligatory diceroll sequences every 40 seconds

>> No.7053449

>>7053442
i dont know what middens is. space funeral is definitely a jrpg style game but it takes like 30 minutes to beat

>> No.7053452

>>7053435
videogames are purely for hedonistic gratification
they are fundamentally different than a painting or a book or a movie, especially in that they aren't living and breathing works that are passed on from generation to generation being interpreted with people looking to them to tackle the difficult issues of the human condition.
their sole purpose is to entertain.

>> No.7053454

>>7053452
define hedonism you cuck

>> No.7053455

>>7053452
ok. theyre mostly insanely stupid and bad and not even fun though

>> No.7053457

>>7053449
middens is another of those surreal rpgmaker games that get mentioned along space funeral or yume nikki in threads on /v/

>> No.7053459

>>7053454
use a dictionary you mongoloid

>> No.7053460

>>7053457
Might be interesting. Another one is OFF

>> No.7053463

>>7053460
Yeah I played that one some years back, was somewhat entertaining

>> No.7053468

>>7053455
sorry you don't enjoy them
I don't enjoy them either, anymore, since an addiction to them almost destroyed my life to the point where I had to quit entirely

I would like to play them though, they're very immersing and actually can be pretty fun, believe it or not.

>> No.7053475

The only triple-A game that's any good is the Metal Gear Solid series

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Is it conceivable for a strategy game to be art?

>> No.7053485

Someone should post the eventual culture.vg review of Kentucky Route Zero when it appears so we can expose how plebby those fags really are

>> No.7053487

>>7053475
Be careful. People who only think in terms of narratives will take issue with that. Mostly because MGS has a really bloated and silly narrative.

However, those in the know realize that it is in the whole design that the brilliance of Metal Gear truly shines.

>> No.7053490

Art is in the museum but also outside of it. Beauty is in the city but also the forest.

>> No.7053496

>>7053334
the airport scene in modern warfare 2 makes you feel pretty fucking uncomfortable. no mean feat for a video game.

>> No.7053507

>>7053496
>makes you feel pretty fucking uncomfortable
tbh I'd say a good half of the gamers I know love slaughtering innocents and their own teammates if the option is open to them, so I think your position is too subjective to be tenable

>> No.7053508

>>7053496
it really isn't lol

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>>7053490

>> No.7053513

>>7053487
Kojima is the only genuine auteur in video games

>> No.7053524

>>7053507
true, obviously for "gamers" it might have been fairly run-of-the-mill. But make a non-gamer layman play that scene and you'll get a strong reaction. I'm not saying that anything else in that game was worthwhile, or that it will do something for everybody, but it puts you in the shoes/perspective of something wildly different than what you're used to, and per my original response, is an example of a "murder simulator" serving a very important artistic function -afflicting the bourgeois sensibilities of the player

>> No.7053527

>>7053513
That may be true. I'm struggling to think of someone else who might also be.

However, it also may change with the rise of "indie development" and crowd funding. It think we'll see video games reach higher levels of artistic quality as large companies become less necessary (and desirable) to publish them.

I'm curious to see what he'll do next, now that he's finally free from the sequel shackles of Konami. Hopefully something totally new and original.

>> No.7053533

>>7053524
I wasn't really paying attention to the scene and just sort of shot everyone up because I didn't realize I "wasn't supposed to". I was sort of confused about why I wasn't being shot back at. My gf had to explain what happened to me after the level was over. I felt sort of bad about it, but only because I tend to play games as "good" (like in Fallout or something I try not to steal or be a murdering psychopath), so I felt like I failed a personal game objective.

>> No.7053541

>>7053513
Miyazaki though

>> No.7053544

>>7053541
Fuck that guy.

Fumito Ueda is where it's at.

>> No.7053545

>>7053340
lol even if you're baiting fuck you. That game was an edgier, shitter NieR.

>> No.7053548

>>7053524
>>7053533
I looked this up on YouTube because I wanted to know what you were talking about and I knew I'd never play the game. The first result had Benny Hill music added. Make of that what you will.

>> No.7053549

>>7053545
more like an edgier, far FAR shittier Apocalypse Now

>> No.7053555

>>7053548
hahahaha

Watching now.

>> No.7053558

>>7053541
DS is just a hack 'n slash dungeon crawler

>>7053544
Ico and SotC are boring

>> No.7053565

>>7053317
CoD series

>> No.7053566

>>7053558
see
>>7053427

>> No.7053567

>>7053558
For you.

>> No.7053568

Art is

form
content
noncommercial
apolitical

Apply this to your favourite film/painting/text and find out whether it's really art or just plebby trash!

>> No.7053569

>>7053566
That sounds exactly like the kind of thing some dweeb would say to defend his favorite dark fantasy novel

>> No.7053575

>>7053568
>noncommercial
I don't think so
>apolitical
If you mean interesting in spite of politics, sure

>> No.7053578

>>7053568
Nothing is apolitical.

>> No.7053582

>>7053578
Tell me about the politics of quantum field theory, Anon.

>> No.7053586

>>7053582
I can't. I'm not a theoretical physicist.

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>>7053578
Explain

>> No.7053592

>>7053586
I wonder if a physicist could.

>> No.7053593

>>7053578
2nd wave feminist self fulfilling prophecy

>> No.7053597

>>7053578
Then everything is propaganda

>> No.7053600

>>7053597
All art is propaganda - Jor Jorwell

>> No.7053601

>>7053588
To suppose political neutrality is implicit support of the status quo.

More substantially however, politics is more than government. It's how people relate to and get things from others in any setting. Hence "office politics" and "gender politics" and so on. So any art that supposes to "move" (in the emotional sense) the audience in some sort of way is political. And this attempt at eliciting an emotional response is even likely to be tied to ideology even when it isn't consciously trying to be so.

Your picture posted for example, is a clear expression of a naturalist ideology (the unspoiled untamed west that must be captured in painting before the forces of industrialization render it sullied). Or maybe it's more about manifest destiny (in painting The West, the artist is capturing it and taming it themselves and so on). These politics may not even be explicitly intended, but unconsciously drawn upon while creating the art. That's why even schlocky shit like Michael Bay movies say a lot about our culture, even though they aren't "deep". In fact you can usually gain far more revealing political analysis from an ostensibly apolitical piece of art than one that is shoving its politics right up in your face.

>> No.7053602

Politics in art only arise as soon as someone (even the artist) identifies them. They are, as it were, a Spook.

>> No.7053604

>>7053578
sure, but some things are less political than others, and may be better or more fully viewed from a non-political lens. Of course, there's less money in doing that - both on the creative and critical side of artwork - so it's often not done. Nevermind that that itself was a political claim...

>> No.7053605

>>7053593
This is reactionary ideology.

>>7053597
Yes. That is true. However, the best propaganda is that which you don't realize as such, because it isn't intended to be propaganda. The best propaganda affirms ideology in such a way that it is taken for granted as true. What's a better piece of American war propaganda? Saving Private Ryan or the 1940s news reels?

>> No.7053606

>>7053601
Well I must be a special case because the painting I posted really doesn't say anything like that, or anything for that matter. It just creates a very distinct sensation of pleasure within me.

>> No.7053609

>>7053604
>more fully viewed from a non-political lens
There are no non-political lenses. Again, to assume you have no politics is implicit support of the status quo political position.

>> No.7053610

>>7053600
Propaganda is not art, for art is apolitical

>> No.7053613

>>7053606
im jacking off my dick while i look at gay porno but its not because im gay its just because doing this creates a very distinct sensation of pleasure within me

>> No.7053615

>>7053606
Then you're adopting the naturalist view, whether you admit it or not.

Nature is good and calming. Nature is ideal and pleasurable. This is a political stance, as it opposes industrialization, urbanization, technology etc. You may not have consciously thought as much when you viewed the painting, but your brain did.

>> No.7053616

>>7053613
True. The concept of homosexuality is a political construct, while a porn movie is not.

>> No.7053618

>>7053615
So you're saying I'm unconsciously being political about art?

>> No.7053619

>>7053616
There are a lot of politics involved in pornography. Mostly politics that support misogyny or racism. But not always. Certainly homosexual pornography in some way normalizes homosexual behavior, which is a political stance.

>> No.7053620

My gut reaction is, "who gives a shit". Then I think, that if someone pics video games as their art medium, they done dicked er up. Either they're shooting for storytelling art, and the interactive nature of video games shits it up, if it's an RPG, I'm not feeling a connection to the story. If it follows a strict-ish story, I feel like I'm watching a movie I can die in, and have to restart and watch parts over. Or they're shooting for graphic art, and the harder they drive that, the less replay value it tends to have, all the way down to the point where I'm like "sure, I enjoyed that, but I'm sure it would have made an awesome 20 dollar graphic novel or movie, instead of a 60 dollar video game." You could say that video games shoot for an "experiential art" (literally no one has said this to me, I'm just making shit up), to which I'm like, "Uh, yeah, all art is experiential art". Which just brings me back to my original feeling, who gives a shit? Viddies are fun to play sometimes, if you experience some art in there, power to you. I did in Red Dead Redemption, and didn't in Rocket League, but I love both. RDR resonated emotionally, RL was just balls-out fun.

>> No.7053622

>>7053618
I'm saying when you view art, you have unconscious and conscious ideas about what you're viewing, which, given that you're embedded in political systems, will be informed by political systems and ideology.

>> No.7053625

>>7053619
Not sure someone who believes the myth that women are oppressed is in a position to talk about the politics of porn

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>>7053622
I see.

Just for fun, can you tell me what's political about this painting?

>> No.7053630

>>7053625
I'm sure that someone who doesn't see pornography that not rarely involves violent actions against women as being political is in a position to talk about women, pornography or politics.

I.e. you're an idiot.

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>>7053609
In that case I'd agree with you, although I think you are taking a broader definition of "political" than what that word actually means. "Cultural" and "societal", which are things that produce and are informed by politics, get closer. But if you keep coming up with examples and counterexamples you'll find that (not to get sappy or anything...) what you're really referring to is "humanity", not "politics". Humans are social by nature, and therefore form societies (lots to say about the unique evolution of our brains to enable that capability) to continue and enhance our survival. Societies breed different types of culture, and indeed, politics.

Art explores the human condition, and to make the blanket statement "nothing is aplolitical" is, while not demonstrably wrong, irrelevant.

>> No.7053633

>>7053630
The vast majority of violent actions are directed against men, retard. Guess men as a specific group are oppressed.

>> No.7053637

>>7053633
Oppression only happens against those who aren't privileged.

>> No.7053638

we discussed this yesterday. Its not fucking important you dickface, art is whatever you would consider it. What's important is good art, and most video games are not.

>> No.7053640

>>7053637
Guess men are still largely the oppressed ones, in that case.

>> No.7053648

>>7053626
Given the title, I'd assume it's a statement about an ideal woman. She's protected and thus "pure". Her protections include two sets of head coverings, a shawl that wraps around her body denying access to her breasts among other things, a chocker that prevents one from a full view of her neck etc. Look at her body, it's almost completely covered. Now one can say this is because it is a winter scene, and certainly they'd be right, but why was a winter scene chosen?

Well, she's in a cemetery it looks like, so probably to reflect the theme of death (winter being a "dead" season, unlike spring which is about birth and renewal). Note her pained but stoic expression. Someone she is close to died, though probably not recently. So who died? Her father? Husband? Likely one of the two. A person who was a protector. So she must be bundled up not just against the cold, but against the death which has stripped her of her maidenly protection.

It's interesting to note that she's making herself somewhat vulnerable by taking her hand out of her muff, and she's holding a book. I'd guess that is a Bible, which offers it's own protection. So this is suggesting that

So basically I'd say the political message is about the place and vulnerability of women, ostensibly in the Puritan society, but probably also reflecting on the time it was painted.

I'm less familiar with this style of art than the other (I've actually done some academic analysis on very similar images as transmitting political messages), so I may be off the mark here. I'm much less confident of this analysis. For a better answer, I'd have to look more deeply into the context of the painting.

>> No.7053650

>>7053633
Yes, a vast majority of violent acts in general (and perpetrated by men as well I might add). But not a vast majority of sexual violence. Most sexual violence is directed at women and comes from men. In the context of pornography, we're specifically talking about sexual violence.

>> No.7053655

>>7053648
lmao grasping at straws this much

>> No.7053656

>>7053648
Sorry trailed off at one point.

>It's interesting to note that she's making herself somewhat vulnerable by taking her hand out of her muff, and she's holding a book. I'd guess that is a Bible, which offers it's own protection. So this is suggesting that

To quickly sum this point up:
it is suggesting that adherence to Puritan religious tenets can offer protection for the woman, even when her male protector is gone.

>> No.7053658

>>7053650
Men are more likely to be victims of sexual coercion, actually

>> No.7053659

IS advertising art? If so, are all advertising campaigns art? Similarly, are memes art?

>> No.7053660

>>7053656
>>7053648
It literally does none of that tbh

The girl was pretty, the painter immortalized her in the frame.

>> No.7053661

>>7053659
Advertising is commercial so it cannot be art

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>>7053648
>>7053656
analyze this

>> No.7053664

>>7053650
Also men are just as likely to be victims of domestic violence as women, are much more likely to be victims of non-reciprocal domestic violence, and the vast majority of domestic violence perpetrated against men is by women

>> No.7053665

>>7053663
SAUCE

>> No.7053666

>>7053658
I'd like to see statistics to back that claim up. According to DOJ statistics and FBI statistics and the National Sexual Violence Resource Center statistics, women are overwhelming the majority of sexual violence victims.

>>7053655
I don't see you offering a better interpretation. I'll admit that I don't know much about the context of the painting to go off of (unlike the previous one which is very similar to ones I've studied). But that's still much better than saying "fake and gay".

>> No.7053668

>>7053663
analyze that

>> No.7053669

>>7053665
>filename

>> No.7053670

>>7053663
YOOOOOO delete this

>> No.7053674

>>7053660
That's a very political position for you to take.

>>7053664
Great. Like I said, I was talking about sexual violence, specifically in connection to depictions of it in pornography.

>>7053663
Uh, hmm... well... It's certainly part of a artistic tradition...

To be honest, it's hard for me to politically analyze a painting produced by a culture I'm not very familiar with. I'd really be bullshitting if I did.

I saw some blog claim it was "challenging social norms by placing the unconscious in plain view", but I'm not sure how much I agree with that, considering that sort of image is part of traditional Japanese art.

Though maybe that's the political statement, a desire to return to more traditional forms of expression in Japan like woodblock printing that involves tentacle sex. Not sure. Consider me stumped.

>> No.7053678

>>7053674
There is no politics in finding someone physically attractive, unless you plan to argue that basic reptile instinct is political from the getgo.

>> No.7053680

>>7053678
There is a political message in trying to "immortalize" a standard of beauty or making that standard ideal.

The core of my analysis is "this is how a woman should be". You're basically saying the artist did something very similar, except it was "this is how a woman should look". Both are political messages.

>> No.7053684

>>7053680
But what if you don't really consider that a women should look in any way but still find them attractive?

>> No.7053687

>>7053684
Then you personally don't identify with the message of idealized beauty.

>> No.7053688

>>7053687
And the politics remain where?
That beauty is not to be idealized? But on here, I have nothing against those that do idealize it.

>> No.7053692

>>7053666
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-03/apa-csn032514.php

>> No.7053693

>>7053688
Just because you don't agree with a political message or don't receive it doesn't mean that message ceases to exist.

I'm not making a claim about whether idealizations of beauty should or should not exist. I'm saying representations of beauty set or reflect ideal standards in a culture, and by creating those representations, you're creating a political message.

>> No.7053696

imho we should define politics because there is obviously a miscommunication here

>> No.7053697

>>7053693
I didn't interpret it that way, I was just trying to find out what was the political content of my viewing of this painting given that 1. I don't idealize beauty and 2. I have nothing against its idealization regardless.

>> No.7053703

whenever this is posted i like to imagine that a different simpleton actually makes the thread each time upon finding the board, and that they each leave directly when it's finished

>> No.7053706

Would still like someone to tell me about the politics implicit in quantum field theory.

>> No.7053707

>>7053605
>This is reactionary ideology.
'the personal is political' is their motto lad

>> No.7053708

>>7053693
I'd argue that just because you can see a message, that doesn't mean one actually exists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

>> No.7053725

I feel that the thing that defines video games as themselves, giving the player some agency and interaction within the medium is what holds it back from being art. So when a video game seems like it could be art it usually is divorced from the core signifiers of video games. For video games to be art they have to not be video games. You wouldn't let a bunch of people draw on the Mona Lisa would you?
Maybe I just see art in an older sense though.

>> No.7053730

>>7053692
Interesting. However, it doesn't prove your claim that "men are more likely to be victims of sexual coercion". The same researcher did a similar study on sexual coercion rates with women and found that 53% of women in the same age group reported sexual coercion.

This isn't to discount that it is a problem for men as well, but only to show that your assumption that men are more likely to be victims of it is false.

http://tcp.sagepub.com/content/41/8/1186.abstract

>> No.7053736

>>7053697
>I don't idealize beauty
I find this hard to believe.

I can't tell you the political content of your viewing. Only you can do that. If your assertion is "I see no politics", well... read on below.

>>7053708
And I'd argue that just if you don't see a message as political, it's because you've normalized it.

>> No.7053740

>>7053725
A counter example to your claim would be The Stanley Parable, where the artistic gesture is inseparable from the interactive and choice making aspect of the game.

>> No.7053745

>>7053725
it's definitely a challenge
i mean we've had writing, visual arts, theatre and music since the greeks, photography or movies or other new inventions were not that different to what was before, and normal games have practically nothing else in common with the more advanced video games other than being games either

>> No.7053748

>>7053706
Maybe this will help you out.

http://reasonpapers.com/pdf/19/rp_19_19.pdf

>> No.7053751

>>7053297
Your thread is shit and unoriginal, and your headless corpse should be hung from a pole for instigating it.

>> No.7053752

>>7053751
Addendum:

The grisly display thereof, would in fact be a legitimate form of High Art.

>> No.7053764

>>7053740
I agree, but many would argue that is not a video game at all. Maybe there needs to be a new category for this stuff just to satisfy all.

>> No.7053767

A question to those who believe that vidya are art:

If video games are art, are board games art too? Why do I always see people claiming the former but never the latter?

>> No.7053770

>>7053767
>If video games are art, are board games art too?
Yes.
>Why do I always see people claiming the former but never the latter?
Everyone already agrees that board games are art.

>> No.7053773

>>7053736
>if you don't see a message as political
Even if I accept your idea that all messages are political, I simply don't believe that all art has a message.

Also
>I can't tell you the political content of your viewing. Only you can do that.

I rather think you're saying that the reaction of the VIEWER is somehow part of the ART, which I don't agree with. If I see Mona Lisa and say she's smiling because she's seeing the workers of the world unite, that's my politics, and saying the Mona Lisa is a communist work because of my feelings is literally just projecting.

>> No.7053776

>>7053767
Because boardgamers are intelligent, stable, and mature individuals who spend their free time playing boardgames, rather than shitposting about what is and is not art :^)

>> No.7053778

>>7053297
nah

>> No.7053779

>>7053725
the reason games aren't respected as good art isn't because they're interactive (there has been plenty of successful interactive installations)
it's because
>99% of the people that play them don't want to have to think
>games are often made by committee or even a corporate board, very little people with both an artistic vision and the capability to realise that vision
>critical discourse around games is abysmal, "there isn't enough girls/brown people" is the absolute peak of video game discussion
>video games are impenetrable to people that don't play them, your average pleb could read and understand Hegel before they complete Dark Souls

>> No.7053807

These are all art and that means they get social criticism etc

>> No.7053820

>>7053776
You've never been to /tg/ have you?

It's a nice enough place, but it is none of those things you just described.

>> No.7053825

>>7053301
I fucking hate memes, but this one always seems to be the second reply, which is neat.

>> No.7053826

>>7053820
>implying /tg/ plays boardgames
/tg/ is the interactive anime fanfiction board tbh

Also I was being facetious, as I thought was made abundantly clear by the ridiculous assertions and :^)

>> No.7053835

>>7053825
it's a pretty good meme

It's implications are mutable based on context, which keep it fluid and potentially interesting within each new iteration, and the ironic, self-deprecating humour of those implications are well-suited to the comedic temperament of the board

>> No.7053840

>>7053826
I am impervious to all known forms of sarcasm, I'm afraid.

>> No.7053875

>>7053840
A tragic condition only worsened by text-based communication, I hear

>> No.7054092

you create art by either recreating your own dreams and/or by shaping something sublime out of basic rules

1. games usually emulate other people's art (mostly movies/TV), this limits their value and impact unless the player is very young and still "untainted" by exposure to media.

2. when games create an emergent world out of basic rules, the worlds are not very sublime, unless we give ourself permission to ironically marvel at some misguided autistic willpower (minecraft, paradox games).

1 only needs drastic change of consciousness of game designer
2 needs a whole new philosophy

>> No.7054741

bamp