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>> No.7045592

Worthless hack.

>> No.7045594
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>>7045585

>> No.7045602
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>inb4 "just a comic book writer"

>> No.7045611
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an obvious one

>> No.7045621

any writer to have been awarded and to have accepted a nobel prize can be disregarded as a mere whore

>> No.7045641

is Adrienne Rich dead? If so, her

And Calvino, obviously

>> No.7045645

>>7045621
Why would you say that? That's like saying that any director to have been awarded and to have accepted an Oscar can be disregarded as a mere whore

>> No.7045672

Borges wasn't as good as >>7045611 tho

>> No.7045779

>>7045645
Affirm

>> No.7045788

What did the Nobel committee ever do to deserve our respect?

>> No.7045911

>>7045788
Invent and sell dynamite?

>> No.7045919

>>7045788
/thread

>> No.7045960

>>7045911
That's weird, I thought that was Alfred Nobel, not the committee that actually award the prizes.

>> No.7045984

>>7045611
>>7045641
Calvino and Joyce died relatively young, I'm 80% sure they would have gotten it otherwise.

>> No.7046023

>>7045788
They tend to be prominent literary critics and historians, and the recommendations of former winners are also taken into account. This year will be Englund's last year as secretary, I think. He will be replaced by someone called Sara Danius who is apparently an expert on Proust, Flaubert and Joyce, so I wonder how that will affect the prize's preferences.

>> No.7046033

>>7045984
eh, it's their own fault for waiting until a writer is elderly to give them the prize

>> No.7046062

>>7046033
They do make exceptions though. Like Camus and I think Kipling, who were in their forties when they won.

>> No.7046089

>>7045960
Oh no!

>> No.7046127

>>7046023
if that's true, Pynchon will probably get it in the next few years

Unless an American or Brit gets it this year, which isn't likely

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>>7045585
>implying it doesn't board political agenda more than literary merit
>2015
>still deeming the Nobel Prize revelant

>> No.7046138

>>7046023
>muh experts

fuck off

>> No.7046164

>>7046138
Yeah, the opinion of someone like you who has probably not even finished the "/Lit/ Starter Kit" is clearly much more qualified.

>> No.7046168

>>7046023
>prominent literary critics and historians

That would be convincing if prominence was itself admirable.

>> No.7046177

>>7046168
this tbh

>> No.7046200
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>We live in a world where Toni Morrison is a Nobel Laureate

>> No.7046222

>>7046200
she's probably among the 10 or 15 best writers to receive the prize

>> No.7046226

She was a token nomination just like Barack Obama and his Peace Prize

>> No.7046249

>>7046200
what's worse are all the literally who scandinavians

>> No.7046272

>>7046249
I like how they awarded the Prize to a literal who on the actual judging panel and then the Laureate killed himself because he couldn't stand the attention.

>> No.7046296

>>7046272
What? Did this actually happen?

>> No.7046308

>>7046296
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Martinson

>> No.7046322

>>7046308
>He was awarded a joint Nobel Prize in Literature in 1974 together with fellow Swede Eyvind Johnson "for writings that catch the dewdrop and reflect the cosmos".
What a load of crock

>The sensitive Martinson found it hard to cope with the criticism following his award, and committed suicide.
oh

>> No.7046334

>>7046322
>He took his life on 11 February 1978 at the Karolinska University Hospital in Stockholm by cutting his stomach open with a pair of scissors

*intense recoiling movements*

>> No.7046339

>>7046322
life is so difficult for a modern swedish man who wins a million dollars for no reason

>> No.7046343

>>7046222
Not even in the top 10 since 1990 tbh.

1. Saramago
2. Oe
3. Grass
4. Xingjian
5. Coetzee
6. Llosa
7. Heaney
8. Modiano
9. Naipaul
10. Pinter

>> No.7046393

>>7046343
she's better than all of those except maybe Grass or Oe

also, Modiano and Pinter better than Munro and Lessing?

>> No.7046396

Daily reminder that Winston Churchill won the Nobel Prize for Literature.

>> No.7046424

>>7046396
He deserved it more than Sartre

>> No.7046436

Tolstoy
Joyce
Nabokov
Pynchon
James
Woolf
Proust

It's a political award.

>> No.7046437

>>7046393
Modiano is brilliant. Tbh I think I prefer him to everyone listed outside of Saramago, Oe and Xingjian. I am not really a fan of Munro and I haven't read Lessing.

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>>7045585

>> No.7046505

>>7046437
to be fair, I only have read La Place de l'etoile. I just thought it paled to other Holocaust narratives

definitely read Shikasta if you like genre fiction at all. But even if not, The Good Terrorist and The Grass is Singing are fantastic

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>>7046322
>"for writings that catch the dewdrop and reflect the cosmos".
That sounds so gay.

>> No.7046596

>>7046322
>for writings that catch the dewdrop and reflect the cosmos
What the fuck does that even mean? It's so god damn vague.

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>>7046322
>>7046334
>can't take criticism
>goes out in such a brutal way

>> No.7046637

>>7046619
not uncommon for the extremely mentally ill

>> No.7046644

>>7046596
it's probably praise for the scope of his writing, as in he covers everything from the fine details of nature to existence itself

Haven't read him though, so that's guess

>> No.7046882

>>7045594
It can still happen.

>> No.7046899

>>7046396
>>7046424
Both deserved it more than Russell.

>> No.7047027

>>7046899
I can agree on that

>> No.7047167

>>7045672
Borges > Memes Joyce

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For his importance of basically revolutionizing and entire genre of fiction. Better than that guy that wrote 200 pages about grass.

>> No.7047337

>>7047325
>genre of fiction
here's your reply

>> No.7047351

>>7046436
McCarthy
Delillo
Gaddis

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>> No.7047359

>>7045585
nah

>> No.7047430

Shakespeare. How the fuck did he not win?

>> No.7047493

>>7047430
There was a provenance controversy with him.

>> No.7047537

>>7046436
yea holy fuck thats a good point, tolstoy was old enough to win

>> No.7048788

>>7045645
That's exactly the case

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>>7045984
Calvinos deaD?

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>>7045585
>mfw this thread

>> No.7048934

>>7048799
For about 30 summat years

>> No.7049029

>>7045585
They did not give it to Borges because he accepted a price from Pinochet. Pinochet was a dictator so they were careful.

>> No.7049458

Do they give it to more obscure writers on some kind of principle of am I just a massive pleb for not knowing most of the recent winners?

>> No.7049626

>>7046619

Overwhelming sensitivity can just make you snap anon. All it takes is one groundswell that will make you turn all that violence on yourself.

>> No.7050906

>>7049029
>Pinochet was a dictator

one of the tamer dictators. also he got rid of cancerous allende and marxists. he was a pretty cool guy.

t. chilebro

>> No.7050915

>>7049029
based borges supporting the free market

>> No.7050969

>>7050906
>>7050915
>democracy shouldn't exist if people don't vote what i want
typical capitalists

>> No.7050986

>>7046322
Aniara is actually great. Still bullshit that he got the prize though.

>> No.7050987

>>7047537
Tolstoy wasn't awarded the prize because, despite being the greatest novelist ever to have lived, the committee hated his pacifism.

The award is a joke, basically.

>> No.7050993

>>7046882
We both know it won't

>> No.7050999

>>7050987
I bet you don't even speak russian lol

>> No.7051004

>>7050969
>marxists are allowed to literally and freely transform your country in hell on earth without no one to stop them

leftist scum pls go.

>> No.7051029

>>7050999
Yeah I must not be able to lol, neither must Nabokov who called Anna Karenina the greatest masterpiece of the 19th century.

What a dumb remark.

>> No.7051038

>>7051029
Nabokov also said a lot of other dumb shit about writers better than him.

What a dumb appeal to authority

>> No.7051039

>>7051004
>i decide what is convenient for the people

>> No.7051058

>>7051039
yup, its called leadership.

>> No.7051068

>>7051038
The dumb fallacy was your assumption that anyone who rates Tolstoy above all must not read Russian which as I demonstrated is not true

>> No.7051077

>>7051058
It's called dictatorship.
I don't even know what are you disagreeing with, i pointed out that it's typical of capitalists to only like democracy when people vote what they want and you don't really seem to disagree. Why would you take offense when you said you liked pinochet a couple of posts ago?