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Ralph did nothing wrong.

How was he supposed to know the beast wasn't real? What he saw on the mountaintop didn't look like any kind of animal or plant, and there were no other humans on the island. Given the circumstances, it was a rational conclusion.

>> No.7045113

He was the beast.

>> No.7045147

The beast was real. Didn't you take anything from this book but the literal?

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7045311

JACK DID NOTHING WRONG

>> No.7045529

>>7045113
>>7045147
>le metaphor face

I am talking specifically about the winged predatory monster on the mountain, not "the beast within".

>> No.7045578

>>7045311
Pretty much this. Lord of the Flies is an excellent critique of Democracy and Jack was one of the only ones who wanted to embrace the primal possibilities of the island while everyone else just wanted to sit around with their gay conch while that fat bourgeois fuck Piggy tried to tell people what to do.

>> No.7046783

>>7045578
>the primal possibilities of the island
>follow the unelected leader instead of the elected one

It's not like Jack was some kind of Edenian "do as thou wilt" anarchist. It was the same old hierarchy, only with more superstition and less chances of being rescued.

>> No.7046839

>>7046783
Not to mention violence as a means of social control.

>> No.7046873

>>7045578
it's not a critique of democracy but I guess you can interpret it however you want

>> No.7047144

>>7045529
Oh. Well, in both cases, Ralph obviously did nothing wrong.

>>7045578
If living like a fucking monkey is your thing, that's cool - but Ralph was obviously the better leader and Golding doesn't attempt any critique on democracy.

>> No.7048826

Piggy was useless as fuck

>> No.7048838

>>7048826
Sucks to his ass-mar.