/lit/ - Literature

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7002819]

Why is every literary dystopia communist?

[Anonymous No.7002823]

check my dubs

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7002834]

>>7002823

[Anonymous No.7002835]

wut?

[Anonymous No.7002838]

>>7002819
all of cyberpunk

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7002841]

>>7002835
How about you answer the question, troll?

[Anonymous No.7002848]

Necromancer is capitalist.

[Anonymous No.7002862]

you'll be living in a singles dystopia while I'm living large with my trips

[Anonymous No.7002866]

>>7002841
"do you even read?"

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7002869]

>>7002848
Check the OP again, then fuck off.
>literary
>LITERARY

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7002877]

>>7002866
More than you Marxist pussies ever have.
>posting Communist propaganda
>literary
For fuck’s sake.

[Anonymous No.7002880]

>>7002819
a capitalist distopia would be too close to real life

[Anonymous No.7002893]

Because all the enemies of Communism have going for them are fairy tales.

But to the point, why are fictional Communist dystopias and the fictionalized history of Communist states standard public school curriculum?

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7002901]

>>7002880
>>7002893
Nice Marxist "arguments" there. What's it like living in the Free World and whining about having the best life out of any group of people ever thanks to CAPITALISM?

[Anonymous No.7002905]

Literature tries to imagine a different world, and we already live in a capitalist dystopia.

[Anonymous No.7002936]

>>7002901
Nice 'splitting' you got there, I merely imply the inherent alienation of a culture driven by money and comsumerism and you automatically assumes I am a Marxist nut.

[Anonymous No.7002940]

check this 4

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7002950]

>>7002936
If you don't see that capitalism has brought us boundless prosperity and wealth to the point where it's frankly beyond reproach then yes, you ARE a Marxist nut. Just like this butthurt faggot over here >>7002905

You people do realize the Soviet Union lost, right? Fucking leftists.

[Anonymous No.7002957]

>>7002877
>Communist propaganda
Orwell was a Trotskyist and wrote Trotskyist propaganda. I do not know if he was a pussy though, but saying that of Tolstoy is... imaginative. Was Orwell a Marxist pussy though? IDK, one thing that's certain is that Orwell was a Marxist cunt, for writing the Orwell list. That said, bye bye and ciao cacao. Enjoy your thread and have a sage.

[Anonymous No.7002960]

>>7002901
Being rented and having to relinquish control over one third of your life if you want to survive just so that porky won't throw a hissy fit is really terrible tbh.

The arbitrary blockage of democratic practices above the economic level in the lives of most people isn't that great either.

Once you spend any length of time around prolos, you begin to realize how detrimental class rule is in the lives of most people.

[Anonymous No.7002971]

>>7002950
>capitalism has brought us boundless prosperity and wealth to the point where it's frankly beyond reproach

[Anonymous No.7002973]

>>7002819
Because you've given yourself a restrictive interpretation of literary that only reinforces your own views.

>inb4 your usual 'typical Marxist' insult
I'm a fucking card-carrying Republican and I know you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.7002977]

>>7002950
>prosperity and wealth to the point where it's frankly beyond reproach

Only if you live in a sheltered places like Canada or Norway who get to hoard the riches for themselves. The rest of the word is in the shit because of they have to work for them AND the first-world powers.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.7002981]

>>7002819
Capitalism.

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7002983]

>>7002957
Orwell liked to say he was leftist to get under his enemies' skin but he was really a solid conservative writer. He btfo's Communist and Marxist fags left and right and proved their evil even before they did it themselves. He attacked openly the obfuscation and totalitarianism that define the left.

Learn your history:
http://www.conservapedia.com/George_Orwell

[Anonymous No.7002984]

>>7002977
*world

[Anonymous No.7002996]

>>7002983
He fought for (and took a bullet for) an anarchist militia in the Spanish Civil War against the conservative military coup.

So...nah.

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7003007]

>>7002973
>I'm a fucking card-carrying Republican and I know you're full of shit.
sure thing, bro. A Union of Soviet Socialist Republican, no doubt.

[Anonymous No.7003008]

>>7002983
>'Conservatives' are now claiming Orwell as their own

Orwell was anti-authoritarian and anti-fascist, that doesn't mean he cleaved to your particular brand of liberalism that you want to claim is conservatism.

Had you actually done the reading instead of trusting blindly to an online wiki, you would have realized that.

[Anonymous No.7003022]

>>7003007
>y-your just a SECRET LEFTY
>gb2 SOVIET UNION ;))))))))

Tumblr-tier wannabe reactionaries truly are the death of the right.

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7003023]

>>7002960
>waah having to be a productive member of society is terrible!
>give me handouts you capitalist scum!! I have the right to be a lazy piece of shit!
Really convincing thesis you've got.

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7003040]

>>7003022
I am not a reactionary, I am a smart man who went to business school and understands economics, which you and your fuckup leftist friends miserably fail at. Capitalism has transformed the world from a third-world hellhole into first-world bliss, while Communism did exactly the opposite.

[Anonymous No.7003057]

>>7003040
you are exactly like one those fedora atheists or religious nuts who claim whatever is opposite of your ideology is absotely bad and yours is pure bliss. Actual, real life is always mixed and more complex than that.

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7003065]

>>7003057
So tell me all the good things Marxism has achieved, then. Hell, tell me even one. Pro tip: you can't

[Anonymous No.7003083]

>>7003023
>having to be
>FREEDOM

>The Service Industry
>PRODUCTIVE

[Anonymous No.7003096]

>>7003065
Ending Famine in Russia and China for starters

[Anonymous No.7003104]

because the inventor of communism was a satanist and he literally wanted to offer the lives of millions of innocents as a sacrifice to satan so he could become immortal

[AZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA No.7003106]

>>7003096
>Ending Famine in Russia and China
http://www.conservapedia.com/Ukrainian_genocide
Maybe if you mean STARTING famine!
>>7003083
No one needs your degenerate shitposting.

[Anonymous No.7003119]

>>7003065
Vietnam and China are successful countries with stable international relations.

>inb4 B-BUT THEYR NOT GOBBUDISD
By that metric then neither were the countries in the Warsaw Pact. They claim lineage from communism and study its application in a consumerist world while practicing market socialism. They've functionally done exactly with capitalism what capitalist countries have done with socialism - take elements that are potentially powerful tools and implement them to their benefit.

>inb4 M-MUH 60QUINTILLION
Germany killed thirty million people and is now one of the most successful social democratic capitalist powerhouses in Europe. Positives don't magically make negatives go away for any system, country, leader, and so on.

>M-MUH LIVIN CONDISHINS
Materially their poor are not worse or better off than the ones that live here.

>REPRESSION!!!!!
Welcome to globalism, enjoy your stay.

[Anonymous No.7003125]

>>7003106
Nope, try again, that famine had been a perennial problem in Russia. The famine which you are referring to happened throughout Russia, not just the Ukraine. Stalin himself ordered the mass production of sausages as relief, and after that period there was never another famine again.

[Anonymous No.7003132]

>>7003065
I will try to be very patient with you. First, unlike politics will try to make you think there is always only one overarching ideology in a given state/nation, so the very 'fuck ups' that you talk about exist in the same capitalist world as you. I will go further to say that they are a deep necessity of this same system, they are the ones who work at shitty jobs and have low ambitions enough so the upper classes are free to build their companies and factories with their labor.

As I said, their ideologies is deep down the same: 'since the world is ruled by money and every one is fighting each other over it I might as well just do that and fuck everyrhing else'. Meanwhile the only way to create for themselves a identity in this merely disolving world is (since all religious and positive content that is not empirical have been set aside) is by comsuming rather than creating and doing things. Which they need the big companies and comglomerates (and so you) to provide for them.

[Anonymous No.7003133]

>>7002983
Then Leon Snowball Trotsky has also been also a "solid conservative writer". 1984 is a pronouncedly blunt illustration for a "degenerate worker's state" and the Animal Farm is "the Revolution Betrayed" and "the History of the Russian Revolution". You should add old Snowball to conservapedia.

[Anonymous No.7003135]

>>7003106
No one needs the bogus American idea of freedom or productivity.

[Anonymous No.7003138]

>>7002957
Orwell left Marxism later on in life. Particularly after the Spanish Civil War and seeing the Soviet Union put Marxism into practice.

As to OP's question, because we live in the West and Communism used to be the big evil boogeyman with Stalin standing over an array of nukes laughing maniacally and begging the US to give him a reason. Likewise it serves as a good villain because many of it's qualities are quite dastardly (Workers starving in the factories while Dear Leader gets fat, no property while Dear Leader lives in a mansion, collectivism taking away the will of the individual in the most painful way possible, etc etc etc) when you take them to the logical extreme or embellish real life events even slightly.

[Anonymous No.7003181]

>>7002971
But you didn't refute his argument, all you did was post an image macro, acting like it made you smart. Communism doesn't make people rich, just starves them

[Anonymous No.7003197]

>>7003181
>D-Don't laugh at funny things!

[Anonymous No.7003230]

>>7003197

Good argument.

[Anonymous No.7003246]

>>7003230
It's not an argument. We have had this conversation so many times on this board that at this point it's just aggravating, and I'm enjoying all the dumb shit you keep posting. If you really want a good answer just check the fucking archive.

[Anonymous No.7003267]

>>7002819

I haven't read Brazil, but I think it's not communist. Also, Brave New World is definitely not entirely communist, although it does criticizes some aspects of it.

[Anonymous No.7003280]

>>7003246
>>7003230

Not the guy you are talking to, but to say anything is beyond reproach just because it has worked in the past is the most asinine pro-capitalist argument I have ever read.