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Lol, look at this butthurt faggot. DFW criticized this guy in the 80s, so Ellis waits four years after Wallace died to talk shit about on Twitter.

What a little bitch.

>> No.6997335

No discernible talent

>> No.6997336

>le i identify as whatever sexuality i feel in the present ellis

hack.

>> No.6997343

>>6997335
Who, Ellis or Wallace?

>> No.6997361

>>6997343
Both of them...

>> No.6997365
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6997365

>>6997317

>> No.6997378

>>6997365
huh, i never took norm for a reading kinda guy

>> No.6997381

>>6997365
Noice. Based Norm MacDonald.

>> No.6997383

>>6997365
Alice Munro is good, but not "greatest writer alive" good.

>> No.6997390

>>6997383
Name at least 5 who you think the greatest writer alive us.

>> No.6997394

>>6997383

Is Norm not a Pynchon fan?

>> No.6997440

>>6997378
He's a huge reader; try and read up on his twitter book club, which massively fell apart. Really entertaining, and reveals some interesting stuff about Norm.

>> No.6997446

>>6997365
>nos. 3 & 4 (from top)
kekkkk

>> No.6997467

>>6997365
This is the definition of BTFO

>> No.6997470

>>6997365
who the fuck is Alice Munro?

>> No.6997486

>>6997390
Roth
Pynchon
Ashbery
Coetzee
Vargas Llosa

>> No.6997490

or because he's reading a book about him?

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6997536

>>6997470
/lit/, sometimes you slay me.

>> No.6997927

>>6997486
I want to put William Maxwell on there, but I've only read one book by him.

>> No.6997945

>>6997383
Norm is also Canadian, probably why.

Who you got for best writer alive, fam?

>> No.6997954

>>6997486
I'm hispanic and Munro is better than Vargas Llosa.

>> No.6997964

>>6997365
fucking rekt

>> No.6997970

>>6997945
Javier Marias

>> No.6997982

>>6997954
Better than Coetzee also. Roth is a great writer but most of his books are already dated: obsession with sex, America declining, topicality. His critical star rising while Updike/Bellow's falls is bizarre to me

>> No.6997993

lol BEE is retarded.
While DFW might be over-rated, the fact that BEE is highly rated at all is just tragic.
He really is literary trash. Low-Palhaunuk kind.

>> No.6997997

>>6997982
I agree that sex is a dated concept and books should no longer feature it.

>> No.6998002

Writers having Twitter is embarrassing. Franzen was right

>> No.6998031

>>6998002
twitter in general is embarrassing

>> No.6998039

>>6997317

He's right, though.

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>>6997317
>>6997335
>>6997336
>>6997343
>>6997361
>>6997365
>>6997378
>>6997381
>>6997383
>>6997390
>>6997394
>>6997440
>>6997446
>>6997467
>>6997470
>>6997486
>>6997490
>>6997536
>>6997927
>>6997945
>>6997954
>>6997964
>>6997970
>>6997982
>>6997993
>>6997997
>>6998002
>>6998031

>coming from all the sissy faggot DFW fanboys who actually think Infinite Kek is canon

>>>\reddit\

>> No.6998085

>>6998043
all me btw

>> No.6998189

>>6997536
To be fair it's easy to overlook authors who exclusively write short stories.

>> No.6998233

>>6997997

>sarcasm so dank you can cut memes with it

>> No.6998239

>>6998233
Jet fuel can't melt dank memes.

>> No.6998271

>>6998189
And Nobel Laureates. The kek never ends. Doesn't school start soon in the northern hemisphere?

>> No.6998279

>>6998271
No one really gives a shit about Nobel Laureates or Pulitzer Laureates as specific categories unless they're a tryhard pseud, tbh.

>> No.6998285

#IStandWithBrett

>> No.6998297

>>6997536
Well, I browse /lit/ daily and she's never mentioned here: I've also read quite a lot of books over the year (except that I don't really read stuff published after the 70s), so pray excuse if under these circumstances, a guy from South America doesn't know who the fuck is Alice Munro.

>> No.6998302

>>6998279
>"I really need to damage control my ignorance because otherwise the iryan jaya scrimshaw board might realize how clueless I really am."

There's this guy named Calvino. Probably irrelevant tho. Seriously, "Who the fuck is Alice Munro" on a literature forum.

It's so precious, it should be archived.

Oh, yeah -- it IS!

>> No.6998309

>>6997982
C'mon, Roth is leaps and bounds ahead of Updike, if his critical star is falling he has nothing but his ridiculously mixed and lightweight resumé to thank. Bellow is GOAT tho, and Roth would be the first to acknowledge it.

>> No.6998315

>>6998302
>Le damage control maymay
Well reddited, friendo.

>> No.6998337

>>6997317
DFW absolutely wrecked BEE in an essay about why he thought American Psycho was terrible literature.

>> No.6998340

>>6998302

>iryan jaya scrimshaw

That's a new one, hope you don't mind if I borrow it

>> No.6998349

>>6998297
I'm Mexican and met Munro's editor last year. Top lad. She's being read a lot more here since the Nobel.

>> No.6998351

>>6998302
My point is that if you only know about authors because of x prize or y prize, and generally consider prizes to be an objective metric of quality or significance you're a tryhard pseudo-intellectual faggot who cares more about being seen as well-read and knowledgeable about literature than actually reading or knowing anything about it.

You come off like the sort of person who buys stacks of books that they never read just to show off.

>> No.6998359
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6998359

DFW is trash compared to BEE

what has DFW ever said that wasn't said better by BEE in 500 fewer pages?

>> No.6998364

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56h96nFN8_g

>> No.6998365

>>6998359
This assumes that BEE ever said anything well.

>> No.6998368

>>6998351
Heaven forbid if I knew someone because they won one of the most famous and prestigious awards in the world!

Unfortunately that's not even the case. Alice Munro has been very famous for at least 3-4 decades. Don't project onto others your lack of contemporary knowledge.

>> No.6998373

>>6998365
no, it assumes that he has said things better than DFW, which is objectively true

>> No.6998376

>>6998373
>objectively

REEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.6998377

>>6998373
>objectively true
Whatever you say kid.

>> No.6998382

>>6998376
>>6998377
c'mon, you didn't really fall for the "art is subjective" meme, did you?

>> No.6998384

>>6998368
>famous and prestigious award
>very famous
So you admit you're just a trendwhore. Good to know.

>> No.6998393

>>6998384
What are you talking about? All I'm saying is Munro was famous before winning the Nobel.

>> No.6998397

>>6998382
Prove to me BEE is objectively is better than DFW

btw I know this is 2/10 bait but whatever

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6998416

>>6998397
he's not, but he's said things objectively better

the rules of attraction captures the zeitgeist of 1980s academia, DFW has not written anything better in the realm of that subject

also he is much better looking and aesthetics are important

>> No.6998424

>>6998416
That's a subjective opinion.

>> No.6998428

>>6998340
All yours friend.

On second thought, I've decided that "who the fuck is Alice Munro" is so prima facie ignorant that it could only be posted by a reddit refugee and must be a troll to make 4chan look bad.

So even though this thread is going to be archived at warosu forever, at least we will have a record of recognizing that it was a minor child from reddit who had never heard of Alice Munro while posting on a board that purports to be Patrician experts on literature.

>> No.6998436

>>6998416
>also he is much better looking and aesthetics are important
You should've just led with this instead of pretending you had anything of substance to say. There's nothing objective about your opinion if you want him inside you.

>> No.6998437

>>6998424
i'm not going to argue about "subjectivism"

you get it or you don't

>> No.6998438

>>6998437
Exactly, subjectively.

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6998443

>>6998436
actually i'd rather davey be inside me, because i am a degenerate fat fetishist

>> No.6998453

>>6998397
what the fuck is BEE

>> No.6998472

>>6998453

It's a winged insect

>>6998428

W-we try I guess, cannot be judged by our weaker students

>> No.6998473

>>6998351
Valiant effort here, I like your spirit, son. But not knowing who Alice Munro is still definitely makes you a pleb

>> No.6998539

>>6998302
Contemporary English short stories are the white bread of literature.

>> No.6998550

>>6997317
But he's right.

>> No.6998615

>>6998550

Bret pls

>> No.6998672 [DELETED] 

>>6998473
I'm the only guy admitting to not knowing who Alice Munro is (>>6997470), explained here >>6998297.

Could you please stop tormenting that other guy with this shit about damage control? Are 15 or something?

>> No.6998676

>>6998473
I'm the only guy that admitted to not knowing who Alice Munro is (>>6997470 (You)), explained here >>6998297 (You).

Could you please stop tormenting that other guy with this shit about damage control? Are you 15 or something?

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>>6998615

>> No.6998896

>>6997365
another reason why norm is based as fuck

>> No.6998901

>>6997378
who's the most /lit/ comedian, lads?

>> No.6998902

>>6998302
is this satire?

>> No.6998912

DFW is middlebrow in disguise

>> No.6998960

>>6997383
This

>> No.6998979

>>6998309
VERY accurate post.

Bellow > Roth > Updike

This seems common knowledge

>> No.6999512

>>6998297
>I browse /lit/ daily and she's never mentioned here
This only proves that /lit/ misses a lot of good stuff because they're ironically/unironically (sometimes it's the same thing) focused in "memes".

>> No.6999814

>>6997486
>>6997982
>>6998309
>>6998979
I agree, Veronica Roth is beyond all. The Detergent series washes out all other stains in fiction.

>> No.6999822

>>6998901
bill hicks

>> No.6999823

>>6999512
unironically isn't a word you retard, do you mean sincerely?

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6999827

>>6999823
>prescriptivism

>> No.6999845

>>6999827
>thinks he can make up words
>has a folder of internet namefags that he fantasizes about
oh god lmao I can't even take you seriously jesus i can't imagine how you were raised fuck

>> No.6999851

>>6999845
You can make up words and unironically is a word. Even the establishment agrees:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/unironic

>> No.6999856

>>6999851
Also, sincere and ironic are not antonyms. Not all insincerity is irony.

>> No.6999970

>>6999827
>accusing someone of prescriptivism in a DFW thread, who already resolved the descript vs. prescript wars

>> No.7000013

>>6998676
I don't know her. And honestly I don't care, I'm not north American, she has no cultural importance here and nobels and pulitzers don't mean anything because more contemporary writers who deserve it didn't get it compared to ones that did.

>> No.7000082

>>6997365
>Alice Munro
>the greatest writer alive
Somebody get this hothead outta here

>> No.7000384

>>6998901
sam hyde

>> No.7000385

>>6999823
It's a word, but it's usually written as 'non-ironically'.

>> No.7000713

>>7000013
>what is subjectivity

>> No.7000722

>>6997365
Fucking Norm does it again

>tfw Norm will die in your lifetime

>> No.7000739

>>6999999

>> No.7000892

>>7000713
Something plebs use as a cop out.

>> No.7000900

>>7000384
looked him up, seems more like /pol/ to me.