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ITT books that should be required reading in elementary school.

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>> No.6979395

>>6979101
An op fedora and a schizophrenic first poster.

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>>6978949

>> No.6979443

>>6979418
funny hate meme :)

>> No.6979451

>>6978949
*tips*

>>6979101
Too early to hit them with that in elementary

but showing kids that in like 8th grade and explaining that literature isn't simply limited to straightforward plots would blow their fucking minds to bits

>> No.6979476

>>6979418
>>6979395
>>6979451
Faggots falling for obvious bate.

>> No.6979997

It's b8 m8s

>> No.6981345

>>6979476
>>6979997
>it's b8
How is the god delusion not a good book?

I admit maybe it's a little advanced for elementary school, but it should definitely used to protect children from propaganda and superstition.

>> No.6981357

>>6979997
What tipped you off? The 'elementary school' bit?

>> No.6981423

>>6981345
>how is Dawkins tilting at windmills not a good book
I'm a strong atheist, bordering on anti-theist and Dawkins isn't the person to ask about it because he argues in bad faith. He's not even worth much when it comes to evolutionary biology, his specialty and mine. The Blind Watchmaker isn't quite what it sounds like (has little to nothing to do with religion) but it's a horrible oversimplification with ineffective examples.

>> No.6981431

>>6981423
What about evolutionary biology?

>> No.6981490

>>6981431
What about it? The gene theory of evolution, which Dawkins popularized in The Selfish Gene and defended in The Blind Watchmaker, is a gross oversimplification which, while valid on one level, doesn't explain much on its own. If you want to begin to get a handle on evolution you might as well read Darwin and then jump straight to the Marxists (not a "Marxist" myself but these guys are brilliant), Richard Levins and Richard Lewontin. Their collection, The Dialectical Biologist is a game-changer for anyone who reads it.

>> No.6981506

>>6981423
your post reads like a false flag from a chistfag fundie.

What are some examples of Dawkins arguing in bad faith or oversimplifying things?

>> No.6981880

>>6981490
When you say hes not worth much as far as evolutionary biology, wonder what you mean by that.

>> No.6981937

>>6981506
2006:
Priestly abuse of children is nowadays taken to mean sexual abuse, and I feel obliged, at the outset, to get the whole matter of sexual abuse into proportion and out of the way. Others have noted that we live in a time of hysteria about pedophilia, a mob psychology that calls to mind the Salem witch-hunts of 1692… All three of the boarding schools I attended employed teachers whose affections for small boys overstepped the bounds of propriety. That was indeed reprehensible. Nevertheless, if, fifty years on, they had been hounded by vigilantes or lawyers as no better than child murderers, I should have felt obliged to come to their defense, even as the victim of one of them (an embarrassing but otherwise harmless experience).
The Roman Catholic Church has borne a heavy share of such retrospective opprobrium. For all sorts of reasons I dislike the Roman Catholic Church. But I dislike unfairness even more, and I can’t help wondering whether this one institution has been unfairly demonized over the issue, especially in Ireland and America… We should be aware of the remarkable power of the mind to concoct false memories, especially when abetted by unscrupulous therapists and mercenary lawyers. The psychologist Elizabeth Loftus has shown great courage, in the face of spiteful vested interests, in demonstrating how easy it is for people to concoct memories that are entirely false but which seem, to the victim, every bit as real as true memories. This is so counter-intuitive that juries are easily swayed by sincere but false testimony from witnesses.
(The God Delusion, pp. 315-16)
2010:
"Should [Pope Benedict XVI] be investigated for how cases of abuse were handled under his watch as archbishop of Munich or as the Vatican's chief doctrinal enforcer?"
Yes, of course he should. This former head of the Inquisition should be arrested the moment he dares to set foot outside his tinpot fiefdom of the Vatican…
"Should the pope resign?"
No. As the College of Cardinals must have recognized when they elected him, he is perfectly - ideally - qualified to lead the Roman Catholic Church. A leering old villain in a frock, who spent decades conspiring behind closed doors for the position he now holds… a man whose first instinct when his priests are caught with their pants down is to cover up the scandal and damn the young victims to silence: in short, exactly the right man for the job. He should not resign, moreover, because he is perfectly positioned to accelerate the downfall of the evil, corrupt organization whose character he fits like a glove, and of which he is the absolute and historically appropriate monarch.
No, Pope Ratzinger should not resign. He should remain in charge of the whole rotten edifice - the whole profiteering, woman-fearing, guilt-gorging, truth-hating, child-raping institution - while it tumbles, amid a stench of incense and a rain of tourist-kitsch sacred hearts and preposterously crowned virgins, about his ears.

>> No.6982119

>>6978949
Yeah, teach them to live without any moral compass, this should improve humankind. Right. Sure. Yep. Uh huh.

>> No.6982216

>>6982119
Actually it is about being free and not following your family's doctrine just because you feel obligated to.

Also, I'm an atheist and since when I was a kid I asked my parents and teachers why religion had so many controversies that even a 8y kid could refute. I had not religion and I DO have moral compass. I'm sorry, religion isn't about moral compass.
Actually if you follow our society's rules just because you have faith, you actually don't have faith. You are just an asshole.

>> No.6982225

>>6982216
New Atheism is rooted in materialism, which eliminates the ground for any morality, regardless of how you feel about it

>> No.6982229

>>6982119

>Christians would rapekill random strangers if it hadn't been told to them that it wasn't okay

>> No.6982234

>>6978949
pretty meme book tbh fam smh

>> No.6982237

>>6981937

So those are both things Dawkins said?

He certainly took a rather more vengeful and aggresive rhetoric as he got older.

>> No.6982243

>>6982229
yes.

>> No.6982252

>>6982225
"New Atheism" I'm sorry?
As far as I know there is only one atheism, lol.
Don't you dare compare those pseudo-atheist that children nowadays say they are just because they don't feel like following church because it sounds fun to be a rebel.

>> No.6982253

>>6982243

And you don't think that that's even slightly sad? That the only thing that stops you from going postal with a chainsaw is a book of fairy tales?

>> No.6982259

>>6982243
I'm not a Christian and as far as I know I've never raped anyone and I don't intend doing so.

>> No.6982266

Seriously dude, if you do believe in Jehovah and you don't kill and rape because and only because you won't go to heaven, you should seriously attend a psychological treatment.

>> No.6982286

>>6978949
>Yes
>yes
yes

>> No.6982288

>>6982266
So all the Greek soldiers in the Iliad were mentally ill? inb4

>> No.6982315

>>6982288
I don't remember those soldiers believing and following Jehovah.

>> No.6983221

>>6981357
>tipped