Masculanity

[Anonymous No.6961433]

Can anyone link me to essays (preferably philosophical) on the essence of masculinity? Getting sort of tired of this new-wave feminist world and want to return to my primal roots with as much valid instruction as possible.

[Anonymous No.6961455]

Oration on the Dignity of Man is p. good
that being said the majority of philosophy is really only talking about men

[Anonymous No.6961457]

essences are spooks

[Anonymous No.6961505]

>>6961455

Just wiki'd it, I dont really see what it supposedly has to do with masculinity per se...

[Anonymous No.6961511]

>>6961433
Donovan - Way of Men
Aurelius - Meditations

[Anonymous No.6961524]

>>6961505
'man' has been considered the default for the vast majority of human history
pretty much any work that examines 'man' is explicitly talking about men

[Anonymous No.6961591]

>>6961524

I meant the essence of 'masculinity' though... like the sort of stuff you'd find in the art of manliness or the way of men, except, you know, actually philosophical and not appealing to the lowest common denominator.

[Anonymous No.6961618]

>>6961433
Check out some of Theodore Roosevelt's essays.

[Anonymous No.6961622]

>>6961591
works that talk about men are implicitly also talking about masculinity

[Anonymous No.6961642]

>>6961433
>masculanity
gave me cancer

>essence
triggered my material realism

[Anonymous No.6961655]

>>6961591
>the lowest common denominator.
that's the most masculine thing there is, chum.

[Anonymous No.6961660]

>>6961433
Oh shit did her new album leak? Say what you want about femininity and masculinity, etc., but Newsom is a good artist.

[Anonymous No.6961671]

art of manliness published a book of collected works about masculinity that's pretty good. everything from aristotle to greek mythology to kipler.

dont mind the other replies itt /lit/ is infested with beta fuccbois who think penises are a social construct and testosterone is just a product of social conditioning

[Anonymous No.6961674]

Transcendentalists did a lot of what a good "man" should be like.
Read Emerson's essays mainly.

Also Marcus Aurelius is worth checking out.

[Anonymous No.6961723]

>>6961591
>essence of 'masculinity'
>art of manliness
>the way of men

sounds gay af tbh. u a fag?

[Anonymous No.6961768]

>>6961457
Not nice to talk about black people like that.

[Anonymous No.6961777]

>>6961723
aren't you? why are you on this board?

[Anonymous No.6961790]

>>6961777
i got tired of /v/

[Anonymous No.6961862]

>>6961790
>from /v/
>obsessed with some vague concept of manliness
I'm not claiming to know much but I can tell you the years you spent playing vidya moved you further away from your goal than you can ever realize.

[Anonymous No.6961949]

>>6961511

Meditations looks good.

I find it hard to believe the topic of the ideal masculine citizen is one that doesn't have various philosophical anthology collections just waiting to be ordered off of Amazon.

[Anonymous No.6961960]

>>6961949
It's because philosophy is inherently masculine; to do so would be redundant.

[Anonymous No.6962057]

>>6961723
I do enjoy the warmth of a big white cock if I do say so myself fam.

[Anonymous No.6962061]

>>6961960
This answer isn't helpful, nor does it actually answer OP's question. You're using a copout that you think will give off the impression that you know something the rest haven't figured out yet. You should stop now.

[Anonymous No.6962064]

>>6961960
>philosophy
>masculine
Only a philosopher would think that.

[Anonymous No.6962085]

>>6961960

Yeah OP here, there's a reason I ignored your three previous posts in this thread. If your reading comprehension is being derided by mondegreen syndrome I suggest you examine my question from the viewpoint of every other poster in this thread, if you think you're just being funny or smart, you're an idiot.

Proper answers please, people.

[Anonymous No.6962089]

>>6961433
>my primal roots
Oh, lawd, chyle.

[Anonymous No.6962091]

>he still believes in a simplistic masculine/feminine dichotomy and uses it as a big Other to give some kind of imaginary meaning

[Anonymous No.6962094]

>>6962061
>>6962064
>>6962085
Actually, I hadn't posted previously in this thread, and was making a joke. It'd be pretty insane to seriously think philosophy is masculine by its nature.

[Anonymous No.6962099]

>>6961433
where does one experience new-wave feminism other than cherry picked examples from /pol/?

[Anonymous No.6962101]

>I'm a man - tell me about masculinity, so I know what to do
You'll really just end up spooking yourself.

As has been mentioned, that rightwing homosexual apologist tries to work out a notion of masculinity
https://youtu.be/i-JWqHlKpU8

If you're about men-women dynamics, the "academic side" of the redpill is worked out by
http://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/

Older concepts I'm aware of blend existential guides with religion or at least ethics - it's true that all of these can be seen as written for someone with a phallus.

[Anonymous No.6962107]

>>6962094
well considering the only noteworthy female philosopher used to be a man I think its safe to say philosophy is on the masculine side

[Anonymous No.6962116]

>>6961433
Chuck Palunk - Fight Club

[Anonymous No.6962128]

>>6962107
male != masculine

[Anonymous No.6962134]

>>6961433

Read Evola's " Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex", also you need to read Weininger's " Sex and Character".

[Anonymous No.6962357]

>>6962134

Thanks, I'll look into them.

[Anonymous No.6962390]

>>6961433
Other than Aurelius, have you read any of the Stoics? Even where they're not talking about masculinity as a concept, I think you'd find much of their thought aligned with what you think of as masculine. And, of course, the modern notion of "stoicism" is virtually worshiped by some of those who seek to promote the masculine.

[Anonymous No.6962487]

>>6962390

I haven't, would you know of any way I can read like a compiled set of essays by them online?

[Anonymous No.6962590]

>>6962487
Yeah, I can dig something up, and will post here when I do. One easy choice is _A Guide to the Good Life_ by Irvine, a basic introductory text. If you really want original text, that won't do it for you, but I found it readable and enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.6962599]

>>6961433
masculinity is literally fatherhood

[Anonymous No.6962718]

>>6962590
>>6962390
>>6962487
Now that I think about it, you might just read Epictetus on Gutenberg. I don't find him hard to read, as ancient writers go. If you haven't read Greeks before and find yourself hating it for the style, you might just go for that _Guide_ I mentioned in the previous post.

[Anonymous No.6962803]

read conan

[Anonymous No.6962821]

>>6961591
See: Stoicism

[Anonymous No.6962832]

>>6961433

[Anonymous No.6963035]

>>6961524

> pretty much any work that examines 'man' is explicitly talking about men

Bait or terminal ignorance.

[Anonymous No.6963065]

>>6962064
I bet you wouldn't say that shit in front of Cleanthes.

[Anonymous No.6963216]

>>6961949
Start with Greek literature
The Iliad
The Odyssey
Aeschylus
Sophocles
Aristotle's Ethics.
The Art of War.
War and Peace.
No joke, the Constitutional Debates.

You're right, though, that there are very few explicit studies.

[Anonymous No.6963233]

>>6962064
Gird your budding loins, you fucking pubescent fuccboi, and come barefoot fight Socrates on the ice.

[Anonymous No.6963520]

>>6962590

If you could, I would appreciate it.

>>6963216

Nice, thanks. It's the Greeks that got me thinking about these concepts actually, particularly Aristotle's discourses on what it means to be a 'god citizen'.

[Anonymous No.6963669]

>>6962091
>Something biological is a false dichotomy

*tips dyed hair*

[Anonymous No.6963680]

>>6963669
>muddling up gender and sex

*tips keyboard*

[Anonymous No.6963688]

>>6961433
You're asking to be groomed by tradcons and cryptofeminists into being spooked into Jingoism, "manning up", and Christinsanity.

Just read pre-feminist philosophy by males. A male thinking for himself and telling you about it? Yeah, that's masculinity. Listen to them and then think about it.

[Anonymous No.6963705]

>>6963680
This is nothing to do with the pseudo-scientific 'gender vs sex' shitfest. Masculinity and femininity come from hormones, which are biological. Unless of course your mental illness requires you to have them medically increased/altered.

[Anonymous No.6965694]

>>6963688

No, I think what I'm looking for is like a philosophical treatise on reclaiming a sense of masculinity in contemporary society, considering so much of our world has become effeminate since the sexual liberation of the sixties.

[Anonymous No.6965726]

>>6965694
Jack Donovan's entire body of work is about this apart from like one book which deals with homosexuality.

[Anonymous No.6965731]

>>6963705
I like how, by using the term 'pseudo-scientific', you cunningly showed just how silly an entire field of academic insight is and just how supremely intelligent you are.

[Anonymous No.6965761]

>>6965726

Yeah, but I don't particularlymlike his works. They're way to self-help oriented for me and I find them poorly written... I don't believe in the beta male/alpha dichotomy but if I did I'd reckon he's just one trying desperately hard to make other people think he's the opposite...

[Anonymous No.6965763]

Roosh Vorek's body of work.

[Anonymous No.6965776]

>>6965761
>They're way to self-help oriented for me
What do you mean?

> but if I did I'd reckon he's just one trying desperately hard to make other people think he's the opposite...
What makes you think so?

[Anonymous No.6965797]

Lycurgus
Heroclitus
Montaigne (invented the essay, can be a bit modest/feminine-positive at times though provides a good balance)
Geothe's Fuast
Schopenhauer
The Story of Iron John
48 Laws of Power

Experience is preferable, reading should be an addition to your life.

[Anonymous No.6967313]

On the note of masculinity, does anyone have any recommendations for when /fit/ meets /lit/ ie stuff like that classic Socrates quote: “No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

[Anonymous No.6967973]

>>6965797

OP here. I started Goethe's Faust this evening incidentally. Been meaning to get into Montaigne.

Thanks for the list.

[Anonymous No.6967983]

>>6961622
>>6961655
>>6961723

Never change, /lit/

[Anonymous No.6968050]

>>6967313
I'll say some shit about it

You don't work out because it seems to be too much of a juxtaposition from what you're doing now. You're in a warm womb and the idea of lifting heavy things will either cause a stressful reaction, or an excited reaction, as they are born of the same breath.

Stress is the fear of future suffering. Nobody with a mortgage is stressed out because they're making their last payment, they feel relief when they send that last check, because they know it's over.

That's why you feel stress when you think about working out. There's millions of little things that will cause discomfort and pain. The hot sun when you're running, the pain of lifting a weight, the idea of being ridiculed by people who already made it.

If you can accept that your brain will release cortisol when you think of stressful events, you no longer sit around anxiously hating yourself because you don't want to go. It's not a fear as in horror, but a shying away from discomfort. You need to chase the feeling of discomfort when you know the results will be positive.

As you keep pushing out of your comfort zone, you start to spread your tentacles across hundreds of new things. People are afraid to try new things.

If you can juxtapose your situation, like when you're on the computer fapping, to standing up and hitting to the gym, you'll live a much better life, but you have to chase that feeling of stress.

That's also why you don't get excited as much as you did when you were a kid, because you're in a comfy position in life where things rarely change, because you don't want them to, so they become dull and boring.

[Anonymous No.6968063]

>>6965761
>I don't believe in the beta male/alpha dichotomy

So, you think ''masculinity'' is a thing, but you don't believe in beta/alpha? a fucking obvious fact in any social context?
You're a wanker.

[Anonymous No.6968082]

>>6965761
People aren't beta or alpha

They have beta and alpha actions. Enough of one or the other will get you called that by people, but at any second the act could be dropped.

You are only your title in refrence to what it means to others. If you're alpha with everyone and beta with just one person, that one person will think you're a beta.

[Anonymous No.6968213]

>>6961433
lumberjack masculinity is a spook sold to you by hollywood, the sooner you bust it the better off you'll be.

[Anonymous No.6968259]

Just be yourself, ayy lmao, no seriously.