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693541 No.693541 [Reply] [Original]

What do people hate about this book so much?

>> No.693554

What don't people hate about this book so much?

>> No.693565

It sucks.

>> No.693567

They mad because it says something they disagree with.

>> No.693570

I have been told that Rand argues all of her points very, very poorly. Having never read it, I can't say.

>> No.693576

Kant inspired butthurt.

>> No.693582

/lit/ Rule 4: There is to be no discussion of Ayn Rand.

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>>693582
Rule 1: We do not talk about rules 2-33

>> No.693593

>>693588
Yes we do. Last time I tried to discuss Rand, I had the rule pulled on me, seems only fair to return the favor.

>> No.693596

multiple hundreds of pages of semi-readable story, culminating in a 75 page monologue of reiterating "fuck charity". rand seems to think that if she beats you over the head with it enough times, you'll agree with it. i agree with the principle, although i think it's one sided (she would agree and say that's the point), but to hell with her writing style.

>> No.693599

>>693596
>rand seems to think that if she beats you over the head with it enough times, you'll agree with it

Works for religion.

>> No.693603

OP here, so only people who aren't libertarian nihilists hate it?

>> No.693610

>>693603

Libertarian nihilist here. Objectivism is stupid and Rand's writing sucks balls.

>> No.693613

>>693603
They hate the philosophy.
I enjoyed the book, but she tries to make everything so unambiguous and black-and-white that it's just difficult to accept her viewpoint.

>> No.693620

>>693610
What don't you like about objectivism?

>> No.693632

>>693620

It's entire ethics and aesthetics are horseshit.

>> No.693637

>>693632
>It's
Its

>> No.693640

>>693620

Okay, first of all I should say that I was being somewhat facetious - I'm a left libertarian and I assume the guy I responded to was referring to right libertarians.

However, my biggest objection to Objectivism (heh heh) is that I find the claim that we have some sort of moral imperative ridiculous, even if that moral imperative is just acting in your own self-interest. I think most nihilists would have a problem with this.

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>>693637

>> No.693664

>>693620
differentfag here. I'm libertarian(or more like a classical liberal) to and I don't like Objectivism either because the idea of objective morality is stupid if you're an atheist, which you must be, in order to be an objectivist.
Objective morality is stupid because morality is something subjective. So then how can it be objective? Religious people(uhum, christfags) say that it's because their morality comes from an outside source. Ok, fine, if you believe in that. Rand justified her morality like so: it makes the world a better place. A better place, according to Rand, would be a place devoid of weakness. Weakness would be something that inhibits human potential, it's bad, it must go away. Fire, for example, that would be something we could have had invented much earlier, would humans have a more "objectivistic" mentality, in Rand's "humble" opinion. Truth of the matter is that if people had a more "objectivistic" mentality, we would probably have died out a long time ago.

You do what you want and what is right for you, that is right for you. That's my morality. As long as you don't infringe on other peoples rights of course, or at least as long as you don't do it enough(it's impossible to not infringe on other peoples rights at all, mostly anyway.)

>> No.693678

Ayn Rand is a faggot.

Prove me wrong.

>> No.693693

>>693678
well, she was known for having numerous affairs with numerous men.

>> No.693701

>>693693
1 man, Nathaniel Branden, and she asked permission of her husband first.

>> No.693705

>>693701

lol randfag

>> No.693709

Her books is really long and it make my head feel kinda fuzzy like a cigar or newspaper when I read it too long which is nice I guess, but not really something I enjoy very often.

>> No.693710

>>693664
Your philosophy is off topic. The question is what people hate about the book, not what it says or how you interpreted it.

>> No.693711

The romance scenes were pretty painful

>> No.693712

>>693701
She didn't ask permission. An Objectivist needs no permission to pursue their own ends. She told her husband, Frank O'Connor, that she would be having an affair.

>> No.695281

>>An Objectivist needs no permission to pursue their own ends.

Was Nathanael Branden not an Objectivist then? If he did not need her permission to sleep with a younger and more attractive woman than Ayn Rand, why did Ayn Rand excommunicate him for living up to the virtue of his own selfishness? Riddle me that, Randroid.

>> No.695286

Because it crushes their preconcived notions they created as children.

>> No.695306

Because it goes into politics.

>> No.695917

John Galt is a Mary Sue.

>> No.696014

I am Ayn Rand, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to be bored out of his mind?
No, says Edgar Allen Poe. You should write nevermore.
No, says Robert Frost. Your work lacks common sense.
No, says Ralph Ellison. Your writings add nothing useful to humanity.
I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Boredom.
A book where a father would warn his children that he would read Atlas Shrugged to them if they misbehaved.
Where the sick would pass on rather than deal with any of my books.
Where the reader would not be constrained by actually wanting to finish my book.
With the reading of my book, boredom can become your state of mind, as well.

>> No.696017

>>696014
love it

>> No.696018

because women should be in the kitchen making me a sandwich not writing books.

>> No.696019

>>696014
Geroff /r9k/

>> No.696048

sigh