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6934322 No.6934322 [Reply] [Original]

Now that the memes have settled, can we all agree this is Pinecone's best novel?

>> No.6934342

best turd in a pile of shit ain't much of an accomplishment m8

>> No.6934532

>>6934322
Yes of course OP, this question has been long agreed upon.

Myself, I'm hoping his final book will be another opus–even though I did love Bleeding Edge.

>> No.6935463

i love son & xon but did you read gravity's rainbow yet?

>> No.6936062

>>6934322
Obviously.

>>6935463
Gravity's Rainbow isn't a novel.

>> No.6936068

>>6935463
Yeah and M&D is better imo

>> No.6936173

>>6936062
it's a historical novel

>> No.6936230

>>6936062
>GR isn't a novel

whaaa? Care to elaborate?

>> No.6937163

>>6936230
no

>> No.6938913
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>>6934322
GODDAMNIT /lit/
Every fucking Pynchon thread is just "GIT GUD tier " shitposting, ranking his novels from best to worst and "HURRR DURRR anyone have a chart about the reading order".
Actually, we could have interesting threads about Pynchon but NOOOOOOO, because you have turned it into a mere meme without even reading it, you fucking bastards.

>> No.6938947

>>6936230
GR is creative non-fiction

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>>6938913
David Foster Wallace?

>> No.6939278

>>6936173
>GR is fictional
My great uncle was killed by a giant adenoid before I could ever meet him please show some respect.

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>>6938913
>interesting threads about Pynchon

>> No.6939328

>>6938913
I once made a thread about TCoL49 and its themes and meanings

it got a few serious replies but a lot were like "lol pynchon was high, there's no meaning"

>> No.6939358

>>6938913
i wanna talk about pynchon pls no bully

>> No.6939370

>>6938913
We had a great thread about V a few days ago. You probably just didn't contribute

>> No.6939413

Hey i actually came on here just to see if there was a M&D thread going..
I'm aware his novels have tons of correlations and i don't know if i was getting carried away making this one so i wana ask someone who may know whether or not im on to something. So during (around chapter 42 i think) the part where Dixon does some crazy Emerson magick to that bathtub to fuck with mason, they go "poking in and out of secret panels" and one of the South African slaves reemerges as if these panels are sort of wormholes in the novel.. Anyways while their moving about these they come across a Dutch Rifle with a five pointed star.. Is that rifle possibly the same one Katje's ancestor used to eliminate the Dodo birds in Gravitys Rainbow?

>> No.6939421

>>6939413
The five pointed star on the rifle is a reference to the Paxton boys if im not mistaken.

Love that part of the novel, the bit about balancing the bathtub is fucking brilliant

>> No.6939438

>>6939413
The panels thing I thought was an idea bounce on that oldest of po-mo comic book tricks...
The inverted pentagram rifles were also mentioned back in the Cape chapters

>> No.6939461

>>6939413
Oh and they were also called Starloop, which is probably not a coincidence.

>> No.6939462

>>6939438
This is a good point. I like other anon's idea of a wormhole type deal (obviously doesn't fit the notion of a wormhole but you get the idea) because, doesn't the slave woman from the cape come out of the wall that he already knew? Pretty classic Pynchon coincidence. He loves the idea that paths keep converging and lines keep intersecting (V., obviously) which is why I like that interpretation of the panels; they function as a sort of meeting hub where they keep popping in and out of eachother's/other people's lives

>> No.6939589

>>6939421
Yeah i remember that being mentioned earlier in the novel but are the Paxton boys Dutch?
Anyways this is the part of the book i am on right now and am really enjoying it. I keep book marking interesting parts or just anytime i am impressed and i practically have to mark every other page.. That section with the French chef and mechincal duck was really fantastic

>> No.6939647

>>6939589
>That section with the French chef and mechincal duck was really fantastic
Don't be so sure it's over ;)

And no the Paxton boys aren't Dutch. This is from the wiki: The Paxton Boys was a vigilante group that murdered at least twenty Native Americans in events sometimes called the Conestoga Massacre. Backcountry Presbyterian Scots-Irish frontiersmen from central Pennsylvania, near Paxton Church, Paxtang, Pennsylvania, now Dauphin County, formed a vigilante group in response to the American Indian uprising known as Pontiac's Rebellion. The Paxton Boys felt that the government of colonial Pennsylvania was negligent in providing them protection.

Again, I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain that the pentagram (?) referred to the Paxton rifles because it embodies evil or something along those lines, this why the Paxton boys use it. I don't recall the rifle being mentioned in the cape, but I do recall it being mentioned when they first enter the wild south. Remember? They get cornered by some rednecks at a steel mill and stumble upon the rifle? I forget if it's Mason or dixon that silver-tounges their way out of that one

>> No.6939664
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6939664

I think Gravity's Rainbow is his best by a long shot. I find it hard to think anyone truly disagrees with this.

>> No.6939671

>>6939664
Let's put it this way. I have a first edition Gravity's Rainbow and I still consider M&D to be the better novel

>> No.6939686

>>6939671
I think you think you think it's the best, but I think you're wrong.

>> No.6939692

>>6939686
That's opinion for you

>> No.6939701

>>6939664
I think if you really did think Gravity's Rainbow was his best by a long shot, you would be secure enough in your belief not to find it disturbing. From this I conclude that you must, at least in part, be aware of the fact that Mason & Dixon is his best book. You're welcome.

>> No.6939886
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6939886

How do I into Thomas Pincusion?
Had some shitty chart on my old computer but i cant find it now

>> No.6939894

>>6939886
TCoL49 -> V -> M&D -> GR

Rest is optional

>> No.6940283

>>6939886
read his books, anon

>> No.6940302

>>6939894
I definitely second this order, having myself started his works chronologically. I was so impressed by V. that Lot 49 seemed incredibly weak by comparison. Of course I later revisited that novella about a year later and was able to enjoy it much more, reading it as a separate work rather than reading it immediately after closing V.

>> No.6940313

>>6939886
V.->Gravity's Rainbow->whatever you want after that

>> No.6941529

>>6940302
Yeah, exactly. TCoL49 is great, but i feel it does pale in comparison to V. It's a perfect getting-your-feet-wet book for Pynchon though

>> No.6943728

>>6939886
Don't give up after TCoL49 if you start there, it's not that good. There's a bit of his prose style here and there and the main themes from his usual ones so that it's an acceptable technical sample, but it's not impressive and the humor is overall subdued compared to GR / M&D.

>> No.6945305

The end of Mason & Dixon was so gorgeous. Still haunts me.

>> No.6945893

You don't need flowcharts to read Pynchon, you don't need flowcharts to read anything. Gravity's Rainbow isn't a sequel to V., and you're not stupid enough to seriously have to "ease-into" his style. Just read what you want and don't get caught up in the board's meme of having a read a trillion things before you can read what you want.

>>6939664
The only reason the Mason & Dixon being better than Gravity's Rainbow meme exists is because everyone on /lit/ is on Bloom's dick. No one else takes it seriously, don't worry about it.

>> No.6945901

Pynchon's just a DFW ripoff

>> No.6945968

>>6945893
this

>> No.6945989

>>6945893
this. of course, v. and col49 are great books so you might as well read them. but if you're interested in gr, read gr. very few novels have prereqs.

>> No.6946368

>>6945893
>The only reason the Mason & Dixon being better than Gravity's Rainbow meme exists is because everyone on /lit/ is on Bloom's dick.
If it's Harold Bloom you're talking about, and I've no idea what he has to do with it, everybody despises him. Possibly because he's disgustingly fat.
The 'Mason & Dixon being better than Gravity's Rainbow meme' exists because Mason & Dixon speaks to people in a way Gravity's Rainbow doesn't, that's simple enough

>> No.6947146

>>6934322
>the memes have settled
sez who?

>> No.6947794

>>6946368
>Mason & Dixon speaks to people in a way Gravity's Rainbow doesn't, that's simple enough
This. I hate people that spout something as 'meme' because they disagree with it. Pretty pathetic.

>> No.6947812

>>6945901
this tbh

>> No.6947923

Nah, it's just the hipster choice for people who think Gravity's Rainbow is too popular.