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6922186 No.6922186 [Reply] [Original]

Why he is better than meme lord Joyce.

>> No.6922189

legit savant autism, Joyce was just perved fartfucker

>> No.6922204

I think people here don't read Beckett because he makes them feel stupid in a way Joyce can't even.

>> No.6922210

>>6922204
>makes thenm feel stupid

How ? His books are fun as hell to read

>> No.6922216

>>6922210
I agree but his complexities are more inwardly related than outwardly. Except for in his earlier fiction you're not going to understand him by following a reading guide with every references to the Greek and Roman gods, or biblical references, or Dante, though those are there. The prose of his later years is almost impenetrable in itself, like How It Is. You have to get in the swing of reading him before it makes very much sense. It's basically poetry.

>> No.6922222

>>6922186
Defined being better than

>> No.6922231

He's better than Kafka too.

>> No.6922245

>>6922222
>QUINTS

Oh shit OP, define or leave.

>> No.6922282

>>6922245
Nothing is more real than nothing.

>> No.6922287

>>6922222
define "define"

>> No.6922303

>>6922186
>Why is copy better than original.

>> No.6922323

>>6922303
Not copy, negative. Half you even red Beckett?

>> No.6922349

>>6922323
Started as copy, never fully faded. Half you even red Beckett?

>> No.6922515

>>6922349
No. You're right. I haven't.

>> No.6922574

>>6922515
Post of the year.

>> No.6922585

>>6922515
Whoah, don't be so revolutionary

>> No.6922620

>>6922574
>>6922585
I'm sorry but I have no argument here. I can say all I want about this author or that, but when someone asks me if I've read Beckett, I have to admit that they win.

>> No.6922629

>>6922186
Beckett is in no way superior to Joyce. He can only present one aspect of life, and while it's fashionable to essentialize alienation as the fundamental artistic experience since Adorno, a true artist, like Joyce, understands that if dialectical disunity is all there is it exists in every dimension of human existence, beyond the limited negative photograph presented by Beckett in Molloy for instance.

>> No.6922691

>>6922629
>>6922629
There's something to be said about the complexity of a vaster perspective. It's inclusiveness allows for content to be varied in range, producing a great context to understand the human condition in.

There is also something to be said for going in the opposite direction. While Joyce demonstrates a great command of language and history and myth, altogether, at least for me, Finnegan's Wake is unreadable, and while Ulysses is absolutely brilliant and one of the greatest novels of all time, it in some sense merely Novelizes. It creates a great unity of human experience, distilled into a day's life, and manages to cover a gamut of human experience in that time as well, it never left me feeling philosophically developed. To say that Beckett presents one aspect of life is misleading, for while alienation is his mode, his conclusions reach into a huge interplay of affairs.

Beckett did something unique with his fiction. Joyce took what was being done to its extreme.

>> No.6922705

I mean it dfm because they're both brilliant. Point being that you guys are plebs for not reading all of Beckett.