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[Anonymous No.6895501]

if philosophers are no happier than non-philosophers, then what's the point of philosophizing?

[Anonymous No.6895505]

Because at least we know WHY we're not happy

[Anonymous No.6895509]

>>6895501
Once you've delved into philosophy you cannot escape it.

Remain ignorant as long as you can tbh.

[Anonymous No.6895514]

have you even read brave new world

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6895515]

>>6895501
Depends on the philosopher.

[Anonymous No.6895525]

Realizing "muh happiness" is probably just being used to spook you.

[Anonymous No.6895537]

>>6895501

Happiness isn't the endgame in the first place

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6895539]

>>6895537
What's the endgame than, Mr Wizard?

[Anonymous No.6895588]

“Tell them I've had a wonderful life”

[Anonymous No.6895603]

>>6895525
>>6895537
be as edgy as you want, but at the end of the day, you're actions will be directed toward attaining as much happiness for yourself as possible

[Anonymous No.6895609]

>>6895501
You're missing the point.

>>6895539
Stfu shitposter. Nobody likes you.

[Anonymous No.6895611]

>>6895514
either soma doesn't provide "true" happiness (only pleasure or something) or it causes all of the feelings of satisfaction and happiness that come from things like love, achievement, etc, in which case i'd take the soma.

[Anonymous No.6895614]

>>6895501

philosophers are just as unhappy, but in a better and more rational way.

[Anonymous No.6895616]

>>6895603
You're living life the wrong way. There will inevitably be unhappy things you'll have to deal with since bad things happen and people die. If you do philosophy correctly then it will give you tools for dealing with these events.

[Anonymous No.6895621]

>>6895609
Then what's the point?

[Anonymous No.6895626]

>>6895614

[Anonymous No.6895635]

>>6895515
This. Look for the easy going lads.

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>>6895609
He be missing the point of modern philosophers, but that because they don't care how to live a proper life anymore.

>>6895537
Come on out Mr Wizard. Tell us your secret. What is this endgame you refer to?

>>6895614
HAHAH funny

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>>6895609
He maybe missing the point of modern philosophers, but that because they don't care how to live a proper life anymore.

>>6895537
Come on out Mr Wizard. Tell us your secret. What is this endgame you refer to?

>>6895614
HAHAH funny

[Anonymous No.6895671]

>>6895501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88jj6PSD7w

[Anonymous No.6895681]

>>6895671
Being interesting is severely overrated.

[Anonymous No.6895727]

>>6895671
yeah le ebin zizek meme, nice. no one would want to be interesting if it didn't make them happy

[Anonymous No.6895739]

>>6895671

surely this will give everyone the right idea

[Anonymous No.6895739,1]

the type of person that is attracted to philosophy is already unhappy in the first place!

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6895805]

>>6895671
Desire for the unattained or unattainable is also a source of happiness. Even after you become conscious of the fact you want the mistress at this distance and not as your full time wife, the game of it still excites the cheating husband. The risk of getting caught still excites and creates happiness. If he can live with the results of getting caught, I suppose it's worth it to him. I think this is the way most cheaters operate. They know they want the conflict.

Happiness is more than a smile on your face 24/7

I tried to tell the board about the thrill I got from risking my life just on the ride home, racing my bike beside a giant semi barreling down this hill. The zone I was in, the quick flash in my mind of falling, getting knocked to the side. And after the danger was gone I got this rush of exhilaration, so happy to be alive. Anon played Epicurus and told me to avoid that sort of thing. Oh yes. At all costs. But I insist there has to be a balance.

[Anonymous No.6895806]

What purpose do you think happiness works towards; why do humans have the capacity to feel happiness in the first place?

Think about that, and realize that pursuing happiness is like chasing shadows.

[Anonymous No.6895807]

>>6895603

trying to attain as much happiness as possible is just going to make your suffering that much worse; they're tied together in every permutation

one of the uses of philosophy is a tool to resolve that problem

[Anonymous No.6895812]

>if philosophers are no happier than non-philosophers, then what's the point of philosophizing?

You tell me, you're the one philosophizing. The implicit philosophical value judgment you have made here is that there is no worth in doing something that doesn't make you any happier. You have made a philosophical judgment that the end result of our actions ought be happiness. That that is what we ought value and strive towards.

You are doing philosophy. So tell me, what's the point? Are you less happy?

[Anonymous No.6895814]

>>6895603
why don't you shoot heroin then?

[Anonymous No.6895821]

>>6895501
>happiness

[Anonymous No.6895822]

Because philosophy isn't the art of seeking happiness.

Happiness is, as not a lot of people realize, fleeting. People will always rely on and seek new happiness.

[Anonymous No.6895823]

>>6895609
>Nobody likes you.
I do

[Anonymous No.6895824]

>>6895814

the cost of heroin is too high, and I don't mean money, I mean what it takes from you.

[Anonymous No.6895835]

>>6895501

Philosophers may be no happier than non philosophers. But philosophers not doing philosophy are less happy than philosophers doing philosophy. Therefore if you are a philosopher you should do philosophy if you want to be as happy as possible.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6895847]

>>6895806
And what is life but chasing after shadows?
Why do we have the capacity to laugh and we label it "good" and the capacity to cry and label it "bad", and put on plays about both?

>>6895807
How much gas does your car take? "trying to attain as much happiness as possible" is a silly misconception. It's about how we spend the short time we have in our lives. "Happy", as complex as it is, is what we like to spend most of our time feeling. This isn't immoral, dishonorable, a waste of time. It's just good.

>>6895823
Thank you :^)

[Anonymous No.6895868]

>>6895847
>And what is life but chasing after shadows?
If you can see the shadows, then you can track the source. Unimaginable power awaits on that path.

[Anonymous No.6895873]

>>6895847
I'm not one of the posters you replied to, but:
>How much gas does your car take? "trying to attain as much happiness as possible" is a silly misconception. It's about how we spend the short time we have in our lives. "Happy", as complex as it is, is what we like to spend most of our time feeling. This isn't immoral, dishonorable, a waste of time. It's just good.

Even if I theoretically achieve a substantial amount of happiness in my life, I will still look back on it and think of ways in which I could have achieved more happiness. Whenever you achieve happiness, a bout of sadness comes along subsequently.

You can't pursue happiness without also getting sadness. Worrying about this arbitrary good/bad dichotomy of emotion seems dumb tbh.

[Anonymous No.6895886]

>>6895814
bc heroin won't make me happy

[Anonymous No.6895888]

When we hear questions like "what's the point in..." sometimes there is this sense that it is something that you choose and that's all there is to it. I don't mean just philosophy, but different ideologies, political stances, creative attitudes, scientific and religious lives on several degrees and shapes and so on. We are not blank at the start, we are not without biases, we are not devoid of more pre-conscious desires, complex ones, that we don't even understand, involving our social life and our childhood that pushesus towards something. You're not in full control of what you think and feel. You may mock religion and be religious yourself in disguise (disguise for yourself), you may choose to take a certain way of thinking in life, but secretly you haven't changed at all, etc. This is something to keep in mind, specially when war errupts between concepts like philosophy, science, religion and all the -isms involved with them.

If not for this something, what is the point of philosophy? It may be so that to articulate on the lack of a point here can change one's vision and attitude on it, but it's not that simple. What is lacking may as well be the reason to do it. What is the point of philosophy is itself a philosophical question. To put it in terms of happiness, to see whether philosophy depends on it is itself a philosophical problem. "Why am I doing this?" may be a good reason to continue to do it.

I think Nietzsche argued in one of the Human, All Too Human passages that while there is a quest for truth and knowledge of the natural world that underlies science, philosophy emerges from the realization that this truth may be useless to us, and so there is a split that on one hand we want to know things for what they are, and the other is questioning what do you really seek when you seek to know things for what they are? And if you have an answer to it, then perhaps there are other better ways to do it. Is knowledge of any use? Do you think it can bring happiness or some other thing? Aren't we hurting ourselves while we are it? Why are we doing it?

You can expand the question. If basketball players are no happier than non-basketball players, then what's the point of basketball?

>>6895671
This is also an important point to be made.

[Anonymous No.6895893]

>>6895501

The red pill is what it is.

[Anonymous No.6895894]

>>6895824
no you mean money becu i want to get high goddamn

[Anonymous No.6895913]

>>6895888
Not sure if this really relates, but I think people also tend to forget that we, like everything else in this universe, are compelled to move. No matter how much you chop away at the motives that drive us, it can never render us motionless. There is always something, but people fall into the idea that there is nothing at the bottom of the hole.

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>>6895868
Going through life, unflappable, unstoppable. You can't go down this road without knowing how to be content with your life.

>>6895873
>I will still look back on it and think of ways in which I could have achieved more happiness.
Nostalgia is natural, and helpful for avoiding some of the mistakes made in your past. People write tragedies from and for such things.
>Whenever you achieve happiness, a bout of sadness comes along subsequently.
Exactly. I don't think it's possible or maybe even healthy to keep hold of one set of moods, but the majority of our time should be in the more positive range of emotions. I'm not trying to erase the "bad" feelings.

[Anonymous No.6895930]

>>6895835
Real talk I kind of like this.
>>6895509
And this, why must it appear to be true?

[Anonymous No.6895939]

>>6895913
Why do you think we are compelled to move?

[Anonymous No.6895945]

>>6895888
I've had similar thoughts about that fact, for example, that I've been baptized and confirmed as a Lutheran, yet I don't really believe. But I went through religious school growing up, and even though I've had my doubts, it's almost like I'm "hardwired" to hold certain dualistic feelings like heaven/hell, virtue/sin, that are hard to detach from even though I intellectually do not agree with them at this point.

It's like I wish I could just buy into the Lutheranism but I cannot right now.

[Anonymous No.6895950]

Nichomachean Ethics
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[Anonymous No.6895954]

What is the point of philosophy when it doesn't appeal to <arbitrary higher value I haven't questioned the value of>?

Might as well be a "muh logic science" idiot.

[Anonymous No.6895957]

>>6895939
Simple physics. There is nothing that possesses negative motion, so there is no way to cancel motion. The only way to change the direction of an object is to add even more energy to it.

[Anonymous No.6895961]

>>6895501
Why the fuck would you think it would make people happy. Shit is written in the bible, I'm not kidding, in the most philosophical book of the bible Ecclesiastes, a verse clearly states that: with much wisdom is much sadness, and he who increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow.

[Anonymous No.6895970]

>>6895957
Lol uwotm9

[Anonymous No.6896028]

>>6895945
It's not just you, anon. The thing is that even though you may believe on a first moment that you are in full control of the terms you use, you have borrowed your language the way it was presented to you. I'm not talking about verbal language, but on a more broad scope that includes all signs. The way you relate to your world is understood through this language, through that perspective. Even if you escape you, you have escaped from it, you are not foreign to it, you merely articulated an expansion towards a certain place.

While you may realize that about your Lutheran education, most people are completely ignorant of it and it's not rare to see people discussing religion or politics as if you were at a buffet with equal access to them all. This is a very modern way of thinking. In reality, to talk about any of that is also to talk about history, about media and information, about implications of the way our societies are organized and so on. Those things hold hints on the origins of the way we look at the world and the words we use to explain it to ourselves.

[Anonymous No.6896038]

>>6895970
All motives involve "acquire the power to create result", so creating powerlessness is a paradox.

[Anonymous No.6896039]

>>6895514
it's the good ending

[Anonymous No.6896043]

>>6895501
Happiness is a failed concept. It is impossible to obtain a state of mind in which you remain in a positive or pleasurable state. Happiness comes in bursts, in reward for good actions. So unless you find yourself doing actions in which make you happy all day (and will most likely become null over time), You will never remain happy as a constant.

Happiness or pleasure can only be obtained in short bursts from actions. But from reason, the best actions are not pleasurable.

[Anonymous No.6896052]

>>6896028
That's a pretty good way of putting into words sensations I've had over the past few years.
Not just the initial rejection, because I essentially rejected the religion right around the age of so-called critical thinking.

But it's more like I can't just say once and for all like all the preceding influences of my environment are gone now.

Really this is like a huge abstract conceptualization that I'm not up to delving into right now on 4chan, but anyways.

Thank you, kind anon.

[Anonymous No.6896143]

Lmao happiness is easy mane; most 'sad' philosophers were sad in the fun way anyway

[Anonymous No.6896146]

>>6895501
the point in philosophy/reason/science is to leave philosophy/reason/science through philosophy/reason/science itself.
Leave the knowledge through the knowledge itself. Once you do this, you go full phenomenology/continental.

the point of life is
-to be happy [=satisfied, fearless, libre]
-to know that you are happy
-to know that you are happy WHEN you ARE happy

most people are a bit satisfied and acknowledge easily that they WERE satisfied, but they are sad when they notice this past happiness. they are stuck in the dichotomy happiness/sadness. They always notice happiness far too late. And there is worse, because their satisfaction is not a unconditional satisfaction, but their satisfaction is conditioned by material things, wealth, riches, peace of mind... the conditions being present on day, missing another day, present on the morrow etc, they become sad of the riding train of their desire.>>6895888

So what to do ?
Instead of changing your perceptions,
You change the perspective that you hold on your perceptions [it is all that you can do effectively]

Stop:
-following your desires from which you expect pleasures
-refraining your desires from which you expect pains
-following all your desires

you seek a state of mind which is not conditioned by any thing. thankfully, this state of mind will be so peaceful that you will no longer be sad.

[Anonymous No.6896150]

>>6896146

>>6895913
>>Not sure if this really relates, but I think people also tend to forget that we, like everything else in this universe, are compelled to move.
indeed, and the most interesting thing to do in life is precisely to go against the tide and ask what is a motionless state. What happens if we stop moving [moving from our desires never satisfied] ?

we always flee some undesired states, we notice that we flee, we notice that it does not bring satisfaction... and yet... we do it again knowing perfectly that it will be all the same result.

We cannot stop moving, this is why it is the most interesting and exiting thing to do to stop moving. It is truly the UNknown, uncharted territory. it is the sole adventure worth undertaking.

[Anonymous No.6896409]

yy

[Anonymous No.6896455]

>>6895501
I feel like happiness is like money where once you've established a baseline your character decides what you do next. Some people like philosophy, some people like playing video games, some people like jacking off. It's whatever.

Also tbh I feel like philosophy is one of the few things that makes a person human, or at least more human than a person that doesn't practice philosophy. Introspection-less people are basically animals

[Anonymous No.6896556]

>>6895501

[Anonymous No.6896902]

A good thread, once again soiled by the ferret-like intellect of one poor poster.

[Anonymous No.6897086]

>>6895501
People say I'm smart but I don't believe them, if I could trade my intelligence to that of a barbarian so long I could finally get good sleep I would do it in a heartbeat.
Anyways, I think people who take up pessimistic philosophy have had a pessimistc outlook on life before even getting in touch with any works produced by pessimist authors.

[Anonymous No.6897089]

>happiness is the only thing worth striving for

Shit premise is shit

[Anonymous No.6897105]

>>6895509

I completely disagree.

People devoid of any judgement, historical knowledge, any kind of knowledge or just a complete lack of any "virtue" whatsoever is the worst there is.

Philosophy is not tied to depression and sadness. That depends on you entirely.

[Anonymous No.6897109]

>>6895539
>>6895805
>>6895847
god I wish we had the old butterfly back

[Anonymous No.6897134]

The point of life is not to be happy, but to be worthy of happiness. Philosophy aims to accomplish just that.

[Anonymous No.6897254]

>all those awful little personal definitions of what philosophy is really about

[Anonymous No.6897308]

>>6896556

I wish Fukumoto hadn't gone insane and started writing about japanese hobos trying to be Che Guevara and Washizu's adventures in Hell instead of his gambling stuff

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6897355]

>>6897109
Rude.
This is the same person it's always been.

[Anonymous No.6897376]

>>6897355
Prove it with the trip

[Anonymous No.6897405]

What a pussy way of living only caring for what makes you more happy, it sounds like something a four year old would care about. As if he said he wants to eat only candy all his life. You can feel many more positive emotions than just happiness, you can feel accomplished, challenged, proud, needed, fulfilled, maybe it takes away from the most mindless happiness but those are great feelings too.

>>6897355
how are the shifts going, Butters? any new paintings or you can't get enough time to focus on the things you love?

[Anonymous No.6897976]

>>6895603
>you're

[Anonymous No.6898271]

to appear as smart as possible without being in stem

[Anonymous No.6898667]

It's a prettier way to say that you sit on your ass all day doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.6898711]

>>6895886
How would you know if you have never tried it? That's really ignorant of you to say.

[Anonymous No.6898721]

>>6897254
Well what it is really about then? I mean I agree that this won't lead to anything. But is there any answer we can all agree on because there is no reasoning possible to deny that answer?

[Anonymous No.6898751]

>>6896146
What is happiness though? What is life? What is the knowledge of something? And how do we know if we know something?

Also:

>you seek a state of mind which is not conditioned by any thing. thankfully, this state of mind will be so peaceful that you will no longer be sad.

Suddenly it's about peacefullness. This isn't the same as happiness though. Also this state is barely achievable because you are necessarily connected to some form of external. You need to eat, breath etc. This state is a hypothetical or ideal state but not reachable for defective humans. It's the place of gods.

[Anonymous No.6898970]

they are happier when they accept the basics of zen. sadly lit circle-jerks over neurotic western philosophers who think words have a deeper meaning.

[Anonymous No.6899472]

>>6898721
Love
of
Wisdom

[Anonymous No.6899490]

>>6899472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1siWHmKV5c

[Anonymous No.6899684]

>>6895501
On the long run, nothing we do "has a point".

Just do what you want to do (actually do it) without damaging others and you'll be alright, anon.

[Anonymous No.6899846]

>>6898751

You can define any of those how you please and reach different conclusions from each.

[Anonymous No.6899850]

>>6899490
Not deserving of any form of retort, including this (so be grateful).

[Anonymous No.6899860]

>>6895888

I hate how the cartoon doesn't loop

[Anonymous No.6900212]

>>6895888
good post tbh

[Anonymous No.6900219]

>>6895888
You could have said "It's an end in itself" and you would have saved yourself this effort.

[Anonymous No.6900225]

>>6899850
Zizek is spot on tbh. Wisdom is just sophistic platitudes.

[Anonymous No.6900265]

>>6899860

[Anonymous No.6900620]

>>6895501

You can't turn off intelligence. Its a curse.

[Anonymous No.6900632]

>>6900620
Short vacations are a possibility though.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.6900986]

>>6897376
Very well. I wear it like a hat. Prefer it off.
It is the original me throughout this thread.

>>6897405
>how are the shifts going, Butters? any new paintings or you can't get enough time to focus on the things you love?
It was a crazy month, but I manage alright. Mostly tired of it and wish I had the time for painting. But mostly just making time for reading.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.6901011]

>>6900620
But you can be intelligent and happy!
I swear. I know what you're going through for having gone through it myself. You just mellow out a bit when you're older.

Fuck that "no fap" week or month or whatever. Practice mellowing out.

[Anonymous No.6901033]

Philosophy will make you happier. Because the type of person that is attracted to philosophy is already deeply unhappy in the first place...

[Anonymous No.6901503]

>>6895501
The joy of philosophy is to abide unhappiness and accept the world as constant suffering and there is no remedy to easy this pain, you can only tolerate it.
Through self-awareness one can cope with having no ground, with being alone and disappointed, and maybe, seizing some joy from the cheerful moments life can offer. Self-Awareness gives us the virtue of authentic desiring rather than following the self-alienated stream of empty primitive desires.

[Dungeon Master !tphHcgvFXU No.6901527]

>>6895501

Nothing requires an end. Things just are. They are not means to ends. When we point at a thing and say "I am doing this for the purpose of doing this other thing," then that thing which is being used as an end loses its essential spirit.

Trying to find something to make you happy is also foolish. Be happy for no reason, like a child. When you begin to be happy for a reason, that's bad, since that reason can be taken away from you.

[Anonymous No.6901583]

>>6896143
>most 'sad' philosophers were sad in the fun way anyway
elaborate

[Anonymous No.6901596]

>>6900986
Post a timestamped picture of yourself, butters. You wouldn't want some imposter making you look bad, would you?

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>>6901596
Ask the creeper for timestamps

[Anonymous No.6901723]

>>6901651
What evidence is there that you're the real butterfly then?

[Anonymous No.6901734]

Well have you tried this, OP?

[Anonymous No.6902288]

>>6898751
>This isn't the same as happiness though. Also this state is barely achievable because you are necessarily connected to some form of external. You need to eat, breath etc. This state is a hypothetical or ideal state but not reachable for defective humans. It's the place of gods.
well if you follow your desires, especially those form which you expect pleasures, you know that you will be disappointed due to the flickering nature and all the conditions necessary to get pleasures, especially once you get accustomed.
and worse, generally, the most pleasurable activity lasts not long. and you are aware of your happiness through pleasure well after the pleasure. You know what pleasure is once you are sad.

happiness is either pleasure or peacefulness, nobody has come up with another definition.

peacefulness is happiness because it can be unconditioned and therefore perpetual. This is the task of the buddhist of hinduist but it takes time to stop following your desires.

and you still need to eat and all, but since you accept your death through peacefulness, that's no problem to die. At least, you do not live out of fear of missing out or diying soon

[Anonymous No.6902310]

>>6895501
So you don't trap yourself into thinking there's two types of people.

[Anonymous No.6902328]

>>6902310
There are two types of people: those who rely on dichotomies and those who don't.

[Anonymous No.6902675]

>>6901011

Its funny as I am in fact struggling through nofap! I'm not sure what you mean by "practicing mellowing out". Could you elaborate?

[Anonymous No.6902719]

Because it's a great escape from nihilism. The action of enveloping yourself in it that is.

[Anonymous No.6902728]

Because they haven't read Stirner yet. Haven't you heard, happyness is a spook. But really, things are less stressful when you realize a lot of things are just ghosts in your head

[Anonymous No.6902749]

>>6902728
Except they aren't spooks are a being in our lives because we determine them to be. Even if you understand their superficiality they are still a part of your existence as you incorporate them into your being, they do however cease to be once you rehect them but you will go through your life continually rejecting spooks because they incorporate basically all of life. You think you're gunting for ghosts but the truth is they're feeding off of you.

[Anonymous No.6902755]

>>6902728
I realized Stirner is just a ghost in my head.

[Anonymous No.6902764]

I truly believe 'abstract' philosophers are born most of the time (think /lit/) where as 'concrete' philosophy is something that must be taught most of the time (think /sci/)

Philosophers are born, not made.

[Anonymous No.6902776]

>>6902764
Cognitive development is in part directly related to environmental stimulation in youth.

[Anonymous No.6902792]

>>6902675
What is the harm in masturbation? What is the value of asceticism?

[Anonymous No.6902802]

>>6902792
More testosterone, more confidence, bigger cumming loads, bigger eventual feel good satisfaction.

[Anonymous No.6902825]

>>6902802
So then why are you struggling with it?

[Anonymous No.6902830]

>>6902675
Why do you let your chemicals rule your thoughts? You can masturbate and still be confident.

[Anonymous No.6902839]

>>6902825
I struggle when I get bored and depressed. It's easier if you don't sit all day at home.

[Anonymous No.6902856]

>>6902802
muh broscience

[Anonymous No.6902869]

>>6902839
You have no obligations, why focus your energy doing something you don't really want? Your brain functions on chemicals, but you have some control over when and which chemicals get released. When butterfly said mellow out I think she meant you should accept the relationship between the mind and the body and stop trying to "master" your self and instead devote your time to purposeful activities that don't put you in a state of constant stress (stress isn't bad but if you have no way to relieve yourself you will go crazy).

Nofap is like someone holding their piss in because they want to prove they are not a slave to their body. You are going to piss yourself at night. Actually this is very relevant to nofap because you'll probably blow a load in your shorts while you sleep.

[Anonymous No.6902876]

So many of the people in this thread have changed the topic to happiness itself.

Happiness is a personal experience drawn from your own observations and understandings of the world. It is cultivated from inside out through your own distinguished perception. It may sound weird but you have to make the choice to be happy and do things for yourself that make you happy. People struggle with this, they struggle with the idea that they can combat the voices in their head telling them what's right and wrong. Once you learn to tame your inner voice and become your own friend then you can begin cultivating happiness if you choose, otherwise you may cultivate whatever else it is you desire. There are many examples to live by but they are only there as guides. The Dalai Lama is an example of one who cultivates happiness and positive attitude through methods passed down over centuries. The problem herein is that different people find happiness in different ways and it also changes meaning for different people. It is wise to accept this and others ideas of what happiness means. You can easily find your own kind of happiness if you begin to validate yourself as the only one in control of your own present and future and not comparing yourself to others and their ideas of what happiness is.

[Anonymous No.6903728]

>>6895501
Not being some pathetic hedonistic stupid fuck liek you.

[Anonymous No.6903792]

>>6895603

>he thinks he isn't edgy by saying this

almost all people knows by first hand that there are moments that one has to choose things that make us suffer if it's for a good reason

>inb4 but that's not suffering and stirner and muh definitions

[Anonymous No.6903816]

>>6895957

You shouldn't do this, taking axioms for living life from physics is absolutely haram

[Anonymous No.6903820]

Self-reflection should be banned for plebs

[Anonymous No.6903828]

>>6895501
Because if happiness was the goal, people wouldn't be philosophers, they would be heroin addicts.

[Anonymous No.6903834]

Philosophers are happier you goof

[Anonymous No.6903860]

>>6903834

No, philosophy does not make you happier at all, it only confuses and jerks you from A to B. Unless you believe and practice some form of socratic intellectualism or something of the sort.

[Anonymous No.6903863]

>>6902288

>peacefulness is happiness because it can be unconditioned and therefore perpetual.

Just kill yourself, it's what you want anyway

The only way to live life is to be fully drunk (without alcohol but just being-there with the world) and fully illusioned. And if you can't be both you should strive for them.

Don't strive for being sober and being pessimist, that's what buddhism does.

[Anonymous No.6903869]

>>6903860
Philosophy will make you happy if you apply yourself.

Unfortunately, most people who read philosophy, do not take anything they read from it to heart.

[Anonymous No.6903876]

>>6897355
>>6900986
If it's you, then you've changed.

[Anonymous No.6903895]

>>6895501
You're right, basically. I don't see any reason to reject hedonism either, although, given our factual consciousness, I admit that philosophy might be a tool (thus instrumental, not intrinsic value) to handle the bad times once they come around. They always do, in my experience.

Cioran said: "Better to be an animal than a man, an insect than an animal, a plant than an insect, and so on. Salvation? Whatever diminishes the kingdom of consciousness and compromises its supremacy."

I agree with him but since we ARE conscious beings, philosophy might increase our well-being, especially with intelligent people (no condescending intended) who as by instinct often wonder about the same questions philosophy raises.

Even so, I do not look down at non-intelligent fellas. I kinda even envy them - but yet again, my philosophy tempers that envy. It's easy therefore, philosophy has a practical (sometimes consoling) value for the ones who naturally ask these questions, yet for the ones who don't, philosophy is of no use at all and should be avoided.

[Anonymous No.6903938]

Herodotus, Book 1, the story of Solon and the following story of Croesus (he appears in it for a while after Solon) details happiness and wisdom. May not be what you are looking for but its old and much discussed.

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>>6903876
Some people change over time, sometimes people's perception of others modifies. I am the same person** who originally brought this name here all those years ago. I have no plans on posting anymore pics or showing any proof. Your doubting is actually advantageous for me. I regret posting pics now.
Never thought it would happen. But I'm probably not in any real danger. [If *you're* reading this, keep your distance]

**And I would always use "person" when I could have said "woman". Old habit from being a non-gendered anon and later Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ hiding out amongst other anonymous.