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One of Nietzsche's central questions questions is "What is the value of morality?" By morality, does he mean Christian morality (and its remnants) or morality in general: having principles concerning the distinction between wrong and wrong behavior? I know he considers Christianity to be a symptom/cause of decadence, but what about morality in general?

It would seem that by morality he means Christian morality and its remnants (for example, George Eliot's brand of atheism, democracy, socialism, science/systematic research that still relies on faith in truth, etc.) and other systems of thought that manifest the ascetic ideal (Eastern religions), the will to nothingness. Considering that he contrasts the The Crucified (the ascetic ideal) with Dionysus/Zarathustra (a new ideal that dissolves ideals but affirms and says yes to life unconditionally), he has some sense of wrong and right behavior. Likewise, I doubt he considers a master morality that affirms life as a form of decadence. But does this new "ideal" designated by Dionysus/Zarathustra abolish all constraints on the powerful to be cruel and selfish and all of the other things that are often considered immoral? Since Nietzsche considers democracy as a form of nihilism and pity as a form of mawkishness and effeminacy and cowardice, I do not see why he would be against a few centuries of misery, especially if something desirable emerges out of the destruction. He often speaks of great wars that will need to take place before a stronger race of men will emerge.

By creating new values, erecting the new "ideal" of Dionysus/Zarathustra while at the same time destroying the old world order, does Nietzsche set himself up as the creator of a new master morality that will launch a future cosmopolitan society with a new pathos of distance, with a new nobility and a new slave class that will, and as an end result, spawn various Übermensch, philosopher-poets who will create new forms of art and beauty never before dreamed of?

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>>6879647
spawn various men who come close to exemplifying the ideal of the Übermensch*

>> No.6879697

It is difficult to take seriously the claim that his philosophy is meant simply for isolated geniuses living in decadent, nihilistic societies. Or that he wanted quietly to introduce perspectivism and other forms of understanding into the philosophical tradition. Both of these interpretations are too narrow. And also very convenient for egalitarians. That might be part of his intention but his overall ambition is to transform society as a whole. There is a political element.

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Here is a frog.

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>>6879697
>It is difficult to take seriously the claim that his philosophy is meant simply for isolated geniuses living in decadent, nihilistic societies.
This is a good point, me. By providing an underpinning for the transformation of society, Nietzsche helps makes the actual world look beautiful. A stratified, aristocratic society is a form of art itself.

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>>6879712
>This is a good point, me.
Thank you so much. Did you know you are the only poster on /lit/ I admire? I have always wanted to know, what is your favorite kind of bird?

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>>6879721
Sometimes I like the barred owl, sometimes the ruby-throated hummingbird, sometimes the turkey vulture, sometimes the crow, but if I had to choose, I would say the red-tailed hawk.

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>>6879728
>red-tailed hawk
Good choice.

>> No.6879743

>>6879700
Thank you.

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>>6879735
Well, I have to go. It isn't like I will get any decent responses to this thread anyway since /lit/ is nothing more than a swamp of tube-mouth philistines who are too cowardly to post with a tripcode and too weak-willed to read the books they buy, especially Walden. It was nice talking to you, amigo.

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>>6879745
Au revoir mon amie. I love you.

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>>6879752
I love you too.

>> No.6879804

nigga what

>> No.6880862

how fucking mad are you right now

>> No.6880884

what a baby

>> No.6880895

>>6879647
I made an audio response to your post, OP.

https://youtu.be/035TpwGLRd8

>> No.6880898

http://www.uri.edu/students/szunjic/philos/beyond.htm

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>>6880895
you're a cool guy, anon.

>> No.6880949

>>6880895
embarrassing tbh

>> No.6880982

Fuck, I thought you'd have killed yoursel(ves) by now. No such luck.

>> No.6881026

>>6880895
the thread this is a response to:
>>/lit/thread/S6841328

>> No.6881030

>>6880982
>yoursel(ves)
>not "yourself/ves"

>> No.6881151 [DELETED] 

Nietzsche was the first post ironic memester. Always remember that.

>> No.6881177

>>6881151
You forgot to say "tbh"

>> No.6881287

>>6881177
haha, it's cuz youre calling him a shitposter, haha, clever, haha

>> No.6881307

what the fuck is going on in this thread