What problems are you facing with getting published, anon? Finding an agent? Finding and editor? Or just finding the time to finish your manuscript? Do tell....

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Anonymous Mon Jul 20 08:53:46 2015 No.6853154 [Reply] [Original]

What problems are you facing with getting published, anon?

Finding an agent?
Finding and editor?
Or just finding the time to finish your manuscript?

Do tell....

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 08:56:24 2015 No.6853161 File: 2.73 MB, 1944x2300, gasskun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this accurate?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 09:02:13 2015 No.6853176 Haven't begun writing tbh

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 09:03:09 2015 No.6853179 >>6853154 Finishing something of quality. God give me so self-motivation please. I think I can write reasonably well now, but I just can't finish anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 09:18:28 2015 No.6853217 I just don't think the world is ready for my supreme genius yet.

>>	Belial !!aA0k1/YgCq9 Mon Jul 20 10:45:09 2015 No.6853478 >>6853154 I'm writing a story on Julia's exile during the reign of Augustus. I'm getting pretty fucked by historical inaccuracies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 10:48:51 2015 No.6853489 Learning to write a good query currently. Almost there, i think.

Anonymous Mon Jul 20 10:59:40 2015 No.6853521

I've got a book, I'm just scared to send it off.

I've spent years on this thing. I did manage to send off a proposal already but they just said they weren't interested and turned me down.

There was no feedback on the book itself either way but fuck it really made me nervous. I've had some veteran writers in the area look at it and they like it, but if it's shit I just want to know it's shit so I can have something to work with, you know?

I'm also curious about how they say "please tell us who else you've submitted it to" in the guidelines. I wonder how much of a factor that is?

Anonymous Mon Jul 20 11:52:24 2015 No.6853695

>>6853521
>There was no feedback on the book itself

For one, you sound like you're really unfamiliar with the query process. Research it more, a LOT more.

a "Proposal" is called a query. It sounds like you sent the whole book off by itself, which is always a no-no. Aside from your query, you only submit whatever it is they specifically ask for you to submit (usually only a couple of pages copied and pasted into the body of an email).

For another, from the sounds of it, i bet they never read a page of the book. They probably read a few lines of your "proposal" and turned it down based off that.

It's no surprise they didn't give you feedback on the book, as like i said, they probably didn't read it. It's also not their job to give you feedback. A writer needs to be pretty self-sufficient and have all his bases covered before he submits anything.

Anonymous Mon Jul 20 12:01:38 2015 No.6853713

>>6853695

No, I sent what they asked for. I sent an email giving them a brief outline of the book and my background, they replied back saying "send us a sample of a full synopsis + the first chapter and any other chapter".

I sent those to them, two weeks later they replied and said "thanks but we're unable to support you in this instance, and we're not going to comment on your work".

I'm totally aware that they don't have the time to give feedback. They likely get tons of submissions and don't have the time. The issue isn't with the agent, it's that even though I've gotten positive feedback already I simply don't know if there's a turnoff in the book somewhere, so I'm constantly agonizing about what to do.

It's entirely on my plate.

Anonymous Mon Jul 20 12:05:34 2015 No.6853723

I wrote a couple novels back in the day and tried going through the whole query process and found it incredibly inane and frustrating.

Since then I've written mostly longform poetry and plays that will never get published in bookform anyway.

So I don't know, I'm just writing in a bubble.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 12:12:01 2015 No.6853743 >>6853723 >just writing in a bubble. R E A LA R T I S T E A L A U T I S T

Anonymous Mon Jul 20 12:15:20 2015 No.6853755

I sent a couple of poems to an editor, but they said my works did not fit well with their editorial line. I wrote somnets, but they required "modern poetry". But if I write poems during a certain historical time, I am as modern as anyone else being published. If not, they refused my work just because of the style.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 12:18:05 2015 No.6853765 >>6853755 How do you define modern poetry anyway?

Anonymous Mon Jul 20 12:22:16 2015 No.6853781

>>6853765
I do not know, but "modern poetry" means that we write about our feelings and viewings of the world. But if I am a "modern person", I will consequently write "modern poetry".
Or not? Isn't a somnet modern poetry? If I write about my feelings with rhymes, metres and archaic words, will my emotions change?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 12:22:40 2015 No.6853784 >>6853765 Shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 12:24:02 2015 No.6853790 >>6853781 You're right of course, but you're being a bit pedantic. The editor meant modern form as you said.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 12:31:44 2015 No.6853825 >>6853713 Well the hard thing about being a writer is that most all the questions that get raised can only be answered by you. If can't answer them...well then you're fucked.

Anonymous Mon Jul 20 12:48:58 2015 No.6853900

>>6853713
Well, the fact that you got to step 2 in the query process is a pretty big achievement in itself. It's a lot more than a lot of aspiring writers can say.

The query process can be painful and nerve wracking, but that's kind of the life of a writer. Imagine if your book did get published, imagine what most of /lit/ would say about it. Imagine what critics would say about it. People might violently hate it, write horrible reviews with no basis at all. That's how it goes, it makes the query process seem like kid's play.

Most writers will tell you about how many times they were rejected with their first novel. Most get rejected dozens of times, it's no big deal. You're obviously onto something if you even got an agent to look at it. But you just have to keep trying. Maybe there's nothing really wrong with it, but it was something that particular agent doesn't like to handle, or they had 20 manuscripts like that on the shelf that they couldn't sell, or whatever. There can hundreds of reasons why an agent won't choose your stuff that doesn't involve your work being good or not.

Anonymous Mon Jul 20 19:55:08 2015 No.6855774

>>6853825
Yeah, which is why it's a pretty awkward, listless position. I'm doing my best to deal with it but it's very draining.

>>6853900
>but it was something that particular agent doesn't like to handle,

That was actually my first thought as they didn't seem to have many similar books on their site (only about three), so I figured it might have been a poor experience with them.

You're right though that I should be happy they at least looked at it.

I'll keep trying. I just hope that I can figure out if there is anything I can do with the book before I run out of agents in my country. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 20 23:36:16 2015 No.6856805 >>6853781 Why not try modern-form?

Anonymous Mon Jul 20 23:45:07 2015 No.6856830

Finding an agent off querying is next to impossible - yes, it happens, but it's rare. That said, if your novel is complete, edited and clean, you should have both a query and a pitch.

The problem for most people on this board (me included) is that going to writers conferences, meeting agents, editors, reps of small houses etc is the most effective way to get your work read and get representation for it, yet if you're dwelling on this board chances are you're introverted and will come off like a flaming weirdo in such a situation.

The best thing you can do is read the agents' edition of Writer's Market, find the newest agents and follow them on Twitter - it's the fastest, most accurate way to find out who's looking for what.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 06:25:12 2015 No.6857848 >>6856830 >The best thing you can do is read the agents' edition of Writer's Market, find the newest agents and follow them on Twitter - it's the fastest, most accurate way to find out who's looking for what. How many people do that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 06:36:11 2015 No.6857868 Is op still here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 07:02:18 2015 No.6857922 writing the book im too much of a perfectionist to ever put down a single word, unfortunately. or maybe the correct term is autistic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 07:07:56 2015 No.6857929 >>6857922 You know it's not set in stone after you write it, you're supposed to keep coming back and adjusting it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 07:10:11 2015 No.6857938 >>6857929 yeah, i know, but i fear i would be infinitely editing it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 07:26:49 2015 No.6857971 >>6857938 Well it's better than doing nothing all day, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 09:00:41 2015 No.6858143 >>6857868 Sup?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 09:01:35 2015 No.6858147 >>6853154 Hey gas-kun

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 09:09:27 2015 No.6858164 File: 750 KB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6858147 Hey

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 09:25:22 2015 No.6858203 >>6858164 What is your job? Do you enjoy it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 09:29:42 2015 No.6858219 >>6858203 I pump gas at a truckstop full-time, and on weekends I sell liquor at a local Liquor Barn. I don't enjoy it, it sucks. You meet some interesting people working here though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 09:42:35 2015 No.6858253 >>6858219 Thanks for getting that one, guy. I was driving.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 09:48:20 2015 No.6858274 >>6858253 Where were you driving?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 09:49:10 2015 No.6858277 >>6858274 Blue sky parkway in Athens ky

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 09:52:03 2015 No.6858287 >>6858277 Why were you driving there? Where are you going?

Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:02:41 2015 No.6858325

Seriously are you the same anon who posts writing-centric threads with pictures of some shitty gas-station? This is bugging the piss out of me.

And my biggest obstacle is that no one wants to publish a short-story collection from an unpublished author who isn't post-colonial or a newly-liberated wife.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:07:06 2015 No.6858336 >>6858325 Calm down, /lit/ is shit. He's an interesting dude.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:08:32 2015 No.6858343 >>6858325 Why not write under a pseudonym as a liberated wife then?

Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:15:04 2015 No.6858363
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>>6858287
Service call. My older coworker who has Hutchins or Hutchinson's is having a fit so I'm here to help get a truck up and running. His compressor shit out so I came with mine

Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:20:00 2015 No.6858377

>>6858336

I'm not complaining: I really like these threads.

>>6858343

Well I'd have to rewrite most of my material, since I don't have any female protagonists; scrap the 3 or 4 stories set in Asia, unless I want to go all out and pretend to be Asian while I'm at it; and insert at least 2 stories about a lady leaving her husband but like she's really uncertain about it. Not to mention how much of a dickpain this would be as far as correspondence and legal shit is concerned.

But I have considered this. Would sooner pretend to be a university-educated Filipino male.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:23:42 2015 No.6858391 >>6858377 >unless I want to go all out and pretend to be Asian while I'm at it Sounds like a plan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:39:13 2015 No.6858441 >>6858363 More pics please

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:56:11 2015 No.6858486 File: 2.50 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6858441 Studs are being difficult and a vital tool has gone missing. We may be fucked and the boss is calling to see what's taking so long

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:57:13 2015 No.6858489 File: 45 KB, 407x314, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6858486

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:58:27 2015 No.6858493 >>6853478 This sounds interesting, Anon, would love to flip through it as a history major. <3

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 10:58:54 2015 No.6858495 >>6858486 What's the vital tool? Also dem dirty fingers hhnnngggh

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:00:28 2015 No.6858500 File: 1.97 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6858495 Something called a "pork chop" fuck ass. I hav to run back to the shop to get one

Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:00:56 2015 No.6858502

My problem is that for the longest time my writing was honestly fairly shit.

Or, not shit, because people did enjoy it, but I underwent a substantial transformation as a writer over the last year. My writing style has changed, I feel my treatment of my subjects has deepened, and generally I think I'm a far better writer than I was a year ago. As a consequence of this, I have much less material of good quality (by my own estimation) than I used to.

Beyond that, I don't know. Maybe I'm having the same problem as this guy >>6858325 . I'm a white man, and maybe nobody wants to publish white men any more. I like to think that's not true, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:04:54 2015 No.6858515 >>6858500 >ring You married OP? please say no ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:04:59 2015 No.6858517 File: 1.46 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I could make quick stop

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:05:50 2015 No.6858521 >>6858517 Why would anyone want to visit a sex club with the word "rhino" in the name? Rhinos are among the least sexy animals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:05:56 2015 No.6858522 >>6858517 DO IT TAKE PICS Are they even open this early?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:06:56 2015 No.6858526 >>6858521 Because they have horns, and because the Chinese kill them and take their horns to make organic viagra

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:16:03 2015 No.6858545 >>6858517 you've got a job to do auto-bro. and the alcohol's mad overpriced at those dives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:16:35 2015 No.6858547 File: 2.25 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dammit closed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:18:34 2015 No.6858551 >>6858547 >sideways pic REEEEE

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:19:23 2015 No.6858554 >>6858526 this doesn't work, if anyone's curious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:20:27 2015 No.6858557 >>6858554 It does actually.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:24:22 2015 No.6858563 >>6858557 it's ruling class chinese nonsense. just like the mushrooms that are supposed to grant eternal life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:25:20 2015 No.6858565 >>6858563 >he doesn't eat Lingzhi erryday More fool you, bro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:25:36 2015 No.6858566 File: 1.40 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Pork chop get.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:27:22 2015 No.6858570 >>6858566 Reported for lewd posting

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:27:46 2015 No.6858573 File: 844 KB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:28:52 2015 No.6858576 >>6858573 Those old 80s/90s Mercs are great. I used to not think so, but the older I get the more I appreciate them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:31:37 2015 No.6858583 More pics

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:31:43 2015 No.6858584 File: 1.74 MB, 300x300, 1433699073733.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's your guys outlook on self-publishing to e-readers? I don't use an e-reader but it seems like a pretty good way of getting my novella out there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:34:29 2015 No.6858596 >>6858584 Self-publishing is pathetic. Avoid at all costs. You will only do well if you're writing pleb-tier genre trash.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:35:14 2015 No.6858600 File: 1.61 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:40:51 2015 No.6858618 >>6858596 I am writing pretty pleb-tier shit, if I'm honest with you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:43:05 2015 No.6858626 >>6858600 what're you driving auto-bro?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:48:08 2015 No.6858641 >>6858618 >>6858584 Thing is right, you've gotta do all the legwork yourself. Advertising, social media, etc etc and there's no guarantee of success, obviously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:48:14 2015 No.6858642 >>6858618 Well then go ahead, but try and build a small fan audience first. They'll do your advertising for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:49:03 2015 No.6858646 File: 1.48 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Service truck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 11:54:06 2015 No.6858659 File: 359 KB, 348x444, route.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this your route OP?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:00:50 2015 No.6858681 File: 1.68 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Victory! Tire is on! 250 Gold 300 XP! Gas Kun learns heavy tire repair!

>>	Carpocrates !!U54hziLbHNQ Tue Jul 21 12:01:59 2015 No.6858684 >>6858681 Holy shit stop biting your nails.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:03:47 2015 No.6858691 >>6858681 Why aren't you helping the elderly man :(

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:06:34 2015 No.6858701 >>6858691 He's just getting the Jack. Work is done

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:21:55 2015 No.6858746 >>6858701 Post more pics please

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:24:53 2015 No.6858752 >>6858681 >those nails absolutely disgusting

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:43:31 2015 No.6858820 File: 1.57 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The "office"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:46:28 2015 No.6858829 File: 1.89 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lunch/writing time

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:47:30 2015 No.6858832 >>6853478 Historical inaccuracy? That's what makes literature.

Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:50:00 2015 No.6858845

>>6858584

You can self-publish but why bother? If you don't care if anyone reads it then why not just continue with conventional means? There are lots of competitions for unpublished novellas (but no publisher will touch it), why not just focus on them and creating other work that has a chance of being published?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:53:30 2015 No.6858860 >>6858820 >those license plates would you tell us if you were a serial killer?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:54:01 2015 No.6858863 >>6858820 looks like an office of someone who thinks charles bukowski is their favorite author.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:54:18 2015 No.6858865 >>6853478 JOhn Williams already did that, m8

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:57:09 2015 No.6858884 Im pretending to be a transgender to increase my chance of becoming published

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:58:30 2015 No.6858887 >>6858884 Shit maybe that's a better route than the asian card

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:59:04 2015 No.6858889 >>6858860 Why bother? I haven't killed since the late 90's

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 13:03:24 2015 No.6858902 >>6858887 Try an Asian transgender with a wonky eye and rickets. That might be enough for some dopey free-spirit award or whatever it is those fags do

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 13:05:12 2015 No.6858912 >>6858884 I'm writing a novel from a female perspective in the hopes that I can lead people to believe I'm actually female until it's a bestseller. Then I can reveal my ruse.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 13:11:10 2015 No.6858929 (OP)What if you just went the reclusive Shirow Masamune route and didn't post pictures of yourself or allow pics to be taken at signings? That's what I'd want to do.

Belial !!aA0k1/YgCq9 Tue Jul 21 16:17:37 2015 No.6859682

>>6858681
I have nails exactly like this

>>6858493
I would really appreciate that. I'll probably ask some history guys for help once I edit/flesh it out more. I could use help from you or anyone else right now though: I need to research the relationship between Julia and scribonia further so that my dialogues and attitudes between the two are somewhat historically consistent. My research this far has been basic and I could use some roman sources. Any ideas?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 18:02:59 2015 No.6860147 >>6859682 I've always bitten mine

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 19:30:52 2015 No.6860465 >>6858929 That's my plan. I'm going to write under a pseudonym and never ever appear in public. I'll die with nobody ever knowing who I am. That way nobody will ever tell me their thoughts about my books and adjust them because I'm an aquaintance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 22:41:38 2015 No.6861259 >What problems are you facing with getting published, anon? everything I write is bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 22:46:04 2015 No.6861277 >>6853154 all of the above

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 22:48:04 2015 No.6861285 >>6860147 Same. I'm strangely soothed by biting my nails.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 22:52:58 2015 No.6861315 >>6857922 You aren't writing if you aren't putting down a single word. You're daydreaming.

Anonymous Tue Jul 21 22:55:47 2015 No.6861324

>>6858502

White men being unpublishable is a meme.

Yes, some magazines prefer women, or women of color, or people of color, or lgbtqa%%#@@!, etc., but there are thousands of literary magazines, and those of the highest caliber almost never limit themselves in that way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 23:01:45 2015 No.6861352 >>6861324 I hope this is true. I want you to be right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 23:55:17 2015 No.6861554 >>6861324 So have you been published?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 05:58:55 2015 No.6862444 >>6861352 the majority of writers being published are white men. of course no one really cares about what they have to say anymore so they don't exactly get trumpeted.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 08:45:48 2015 No.6862932 >>6862444 Nice trips. "Yeah let me get that novel written by a black transgendered jew everyone is talking about." -no one

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 08:46:56 2015 No.6862937 Is OP still here?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 08:47:11 2015 No.6862938 File: 43 KB, 641x491, 1433877259127.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6853478 >writing non-fiction

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 08:59:45 2015 No.6862961 >>6853154 I'm wrapping up as we speak, and I expect to self-publish next week. Only problem is what I'm going to do with all the money so the IRS doesn't fuck me in the ass.

>>	Belial !!aA0k1/YgCq9 Wed Jul 22 09:07:23 2015 No.6862975 >>6862938 >I'm writing a story Yeah that's nonfiction, pretty much

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 09:10:03 2015 No.6862979 >>6862961 >self-publish

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 09:12:18 2015 No.6862982 >>6862979 Hey, I'm a writer, not an agent suck-up-to-er. I write art, not queries.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 09:14:59 2015 No.6862989 >>6862982 Good for you m8, don't listen to the losers here who like living in perpetual irony.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 09:19:00 2015 No.6863003 >>6862982 Why not try sending it out first? It can't hurt.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 09:22:36 2015 No.6863011

>>6863003
I sent out five, and then I quit.

It's a crapshoot anyway, some of the most successful books in recent history had a miserable time getting hooked up.

If it's good, it'll get noticed if you self-publish all the same, so I'd rather put my energy into promoting my book to the public than to a few scores of slushers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 13:30:20 2015 No.6863746 >>6862937 Sup

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 18:44:42 2015 No.6865019

>>6863003
I can't blame people for not wanting to do the query letter grind. There are quite a few writing/publishing related hashtags on twitter where agents post. Tons of them don't even read writing samples unless they like the query. So in other words, they're not rejecting people for having bad writing or a dumb story, they're rejecting them because their 200 or so word query isn't flashy and stylish enough, which is pretty damn irritating to think about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 19:10:32 2015 No.6865105 >>6858829 Netbook writing master race reporting in. What about you OP? You always ask us and listen to us but never talk about yourself. How's your writing going?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 20:04:33 2015 No.6865314 >>6865019 That's true. I wonder how many queries they get every month?

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 21:46:50 2015 No.6865711
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>>6865105
It's coming along. I'm having to reread all my books to write chapter summaries. im editing as I go so I'm slashing a lot of bad writing and fixing stupid mistakes. On the plus side I'm finding a few gems I forgot I wrote.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 21:52:24 2015 No.6865731 >>6863011 >self-publishing LOL

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 07:15:26 2015 No.6867144 >>6865314 Thousands upon thousands

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 10:50:43 2015 No.6867726

>>6862982
Well, you'll never be published. For one, i've never met anyone who claims to write art that actually does. In your mind it's probably art, but not to anyone else.

For another, if you want to be a writer, you need to understand that the entire purpose of publishing is to make money. That's the reality, deal with it or go do something else.

Writing queries is kind of a test in any case. Agents know that writing a query isn't easy. If you can't challenge yourself to write one, put in the time and energy to learn how the system works, then what possible use can you be as a writer?

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 10:57:50 2015 No.6867753

>>6865731
the thing i find funny about self-publishing is that it's significantly harder to have success in self publishing than it is to go through an actual publisher, but everyone acts like it's quick and easy. I guess if your goal is to call yourself a "published author" then maybe it's true, even though anybody who actually knows anything about publishing will just roll their eyes at you if you say you're self published.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 11:29:03 2015 No.6867862

>>6867726
Writing queries is marketing.

The purpose of writing queries is for publishers to see how good you are at promoting yourself, not how well you can write.

That's because publishers much prefer a shitty author who is a genius at marketing, than a good author who is reclusive and shy.
That way they have to do less marketing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 11:32:45 2015 No.6867879 >>6867862 How do agents factor into this?

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 11:34:59 2015 No.6867890

>>6867862
You're right and wrong. Yeah, it is marketing. An author has to know something about marketing anymore, that's just a reality.

Learning how to write a query is also about how well you can write also. It's sort of a test to see if you can think outside of your comfort zone, write something that you probably would never write on your own, expand your horizons, all that.

Agents absolutely do judge your writing based on how well you can write a query. If you want an analogy, somebody can be a great boxer in the gym, but the only way to tell if they are a good boxer is to put them in a boxing match, put pressure on them, get them out of their comfort zone, actually have somebody else throwing punches at them. Same thing with queries, see how well you write when they know you don't want to be writing this, with that looming rejection hanging over everything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 11:54:42 2015 No.6867963 >>6867879 Just replace 'publisher' with 'agent'. >>6867890 I don't know man. Marketing is a very specific little niche of writing, and I don't see how it merits being the universally used litmus test for writers.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 12:04:06 2015 No.6867989

>>6867963
Well if you paid attention, you'd notice that i said it's more than marketing. A query is a simple test. One, can you follow whatever instructions and agent puts up for queries? That's sort of a test of character, a LOT of people fail that. For another an agent doesn't have the time to read every single submission, so a 1 page query is a good test to see how well you can write, especially when they know writers don't enjoy writing queries, how much work are you willing to put into this thing you hate to make it a good representation of yourself?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 12:06:15 2015 No.6867994 >>6867989 Again, a query is practically pure marketing. I don't see why a marketing text should be the litmus test for writers. Marketing is basically genre fiction.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 12:13:08 2015 No.6868017 >>6867994 Well you're not listening then. Good luck getting published.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 12:13:46 2015 No.6868023 >>6868017 I'm not? Didn't you agree that a query is above all an exercise in marketing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 12:35:57 2015 No.6868083 >>6868023 No, absolutely not. I've already explained myself, re-read my posts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:45:29 2015 No.6869098 >>6868083 You literally said "yeah, it is marketing".

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 17:19:17 2015 No.6869230 >>6869098 Did i say "Above all it's an exercise in marketing?" No, i didn't faggot. I said it is marketing, yeah, but more importantly it's a good test of your writing ability. You're not going to make it far in writing if you can't read.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 18:12:05 2015 No.6869451 OP- Maybe you two should get a room. Go fuck it out and then come back when you have less sand in your vaginas

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