/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6848171]

Hey /lit/,

My kid brother (he's 16) wanted some patrician-tier recommendations. Do you think this is too much red pill or will this set him on the right path?

>Fathers and Son by Ivan Turgenev
>The Red and the Black by Stendhal
>Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>In Our Time by Ernest Hemingway
>Tropic of Cancer by Henry Miller
>A Good Man Is Hard to Find by Flannery O'Connor
>Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte
>Silas Marner by George Eliot
>Ulysses by James Joyce (only once he's über-patrician)

>---The Books I recommend the most vvvv
>Hunger by Knut Hamsun
>Ask the Dust by John Fante

>---Honorary Mention vvvv
>American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis

He's already read Crime and Punishment and Journey to the End of the Night. :^)

[Anonymous No.6848176]

>>6848171
>patrician-tier
no such thing, you cant know what patrician tier is until you are old enough to be a patrician. At that point you realise there is no tier. Its a nice list of books but at 16 he should be reading stuff that interests him not stuff other people tell him is good, let him find his own way, discovering new books yourself is half the fun.

[Anonymous No.6848179]

>no Greeks
>not even any romans

[Anonymous No.6848180]

so by your definition, patrician-tier = boring

[Anonymous No.6848185]

>>6848171
ulysses
infinite jest
gravity's rainbow

[Anonymous No.6848187]

>>6848179
>romans are relevant
I should mention he's already read the playwrights and Plato. We think they're overrated. :')

[Anonymous No.6848192]

>>6848176
Yet he asks me for guidance, therefore this thread.

[Anonymous No.6848193]

>>6848171
>No Meditations

[Anonymous No.6848194]

>>6848185
He's shaking his head, though he wants to read Ulysses.

[Anonymous No.6848199]

>>6848193
True dat, Aurelius was a good Roamin. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.6848201]

>>6848187
Well I think you're overrated anon >:(

[Anonymous No.6848210]

>>6848201
Don't be mad. I like a little classics myself. I nearly majored in it. But alas I'm a modern, dear anon.

[Anonymous No.6848212]

>>6848171
>16 year old
>thick books
Shig dig dig
Give him some Lagerkvist

[Anonymous No.6848213]

>>6848187
>We think they're overrated. :')

Neither of you will ever be patrician.

[Anonymous No.6848218]

>>6848171
none o these are red pill

[Anonymous No.6848227]

>>6848213
There there, old chap, there are always expectations. I, for one, read Theogony and the Odyssey like they are my religion. The ancient philosophers, however, were supremely misguided.

[Anonymous No.6848233]

>>6848171
There is no such thing as too much red pill

[Anonymous No.6848237]

>>6848212
>Lagerkvist
My lil' bro' thinks The Dwarf sounds cool. Would that be a good start?

[Anonymous No.6848240]

>>6848171
>The Red and the Black by Stendhal
I read this book when I was about the same age as your brother, OP. Good recommendation.
Add Martin Eden by Jack London on your list as well.

[Anonymous No.6848258]

>>6848237
Any place is a good start. The Dwarf is stand alone and very good. Barabbas and The Sybil can be taken as stand alone or included in the pentalogy with Death of Ahasuerus + Pilgrim at Sea + The Holy Land, which are definitely a trilogy. The last two and Barabbas are my favorites; Barabbas, though, is the nobel winner.

[Anonymous No.6848264]

>>6848187
>Plato
>overrated
F A G G O T
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[Anonymous No.6848311]

>>6848187
>patrician
>things actual historical patricians read are irrelevant or overrated

[Anonymous No.6848346]

>>6848311
What "actual historical patricians" read are probably lost to history with the little that remains being taught as canon.

[Anonymous No.6848366]

>>6848240
We're big fans of Jack London but we haven't read that book. Thx 4 the recc anon.

[Anonymous No.6848375]

Give him The World as Will and Representation, The Birth of Tragedy and Thus spoke Zarathustra.

Tell him to read these in this order

[Anonymous No.6848406]

Horrible list.

Homer - Iliad
Plato - Apology, Meno, Phaedo, Symposium, Republic
Plutarch - Morals
St. Augustine - Confessions, City of God
Virgil - Aeneid
The Golden Ass
Plutarch - Sonnets
Beowuld
Dante - Divine Comedy
Cervantes - Don Quixote

Here is a patrician list. Nothing modern can possibly be patrician because the modern period by its very nature is plebeian in that it saw the rise of plebeian subjects, themes, characters, etc. This includes Joyce's abomination, Ulysses, which is about a cuckold Jew trying to masturbate and a pretentious kid trying to convince himself that he's clever (no, the "literary" gimmicks do not excuse, rather, they condemn it further because it shows a distinct lack of taste to thrust in "literary devices" into your work as a "meta-textual commentary"). It's not that you have to write about aristocrats, it's that you have to write about important themes and advocate virtue and truth in order to be patrician, rather than writing soap opera garbage about the trivial lives of trivial people. This includes Tolstoy, for example, who wrote about petty aristocrats in a plebeian manner.

[Anonymous No.6848409]

>>6848193
Overrated as fuck. If you are going to recommend the Stoics at all then recommend Seneca or Epictetus.

[Anonymous No.6848414]

>>6848187
bait

[Anonymous No.6848415]

>>6848375
Don't you think the essays would be better than The World as Will etc.? Sounds a lil' boring for a sixteen-year-old. :/

>>6848406
Your list is a nice imitation of how a pleb might imagine a patrician canon. Bait?

[Anonymous No.6848424]

>>6848406
Not OP, but have you even read any of this? Golden Ass but not Satyricon? BEOWULF? kek. OP's brother's sixteen. This seems like bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6848431]

>>6848406
ROFL, don't you mean Petrarch's sonnets? GGWP.

[Anonymous No.6848480]

>>6848171
Plenty of people itt seem to think you can't read "big books" at 16. Fuck that. When is your brother supposed to start reading literary fiction, then ? When he's graduated HS and is too busy partying and studying to care ? HS is the ideal time for a first contact with big cumbersome (but awesome) novels and oldfag fiction.

I'd say interesting list, despite your tongue-in-cheek tone, this is actually legit. i'd add more realist from earlier times (Dickens, Balzac...) and some shorter ficitons (short stories, try Chekov Maupassant, Zweig, plus sci-fi and horror short stories).

This should get him started.

[Anonymous No.6848485]

>>6848424
I had read Dante, Cervantes, the Golden Ass and Virgil at 16. The Iliad probably makes for an entertaining read at that age, and so would Plutarch's Parallel lives (though I dunno about Morals).

This list was obviously intended in a contrarian fit, but I think it's actually pretty interesting. The 16 yo= incapable to read anything serious is a meme.

Also, what's with OP referring to himself and his brother as "we" like his brother is his authoritarian girlfriend ?

[Anonymous No.6848496]

>>6848171
give him some hermann hesse, entry level teens love that shit

[Anonymous No.6848784]

>>6848409
Picked up mediations and The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy, good places to start?

[Anonymous No.6848815]

red and black: social climbing during french restauration, lots of soap opera tropes
tropic of cancer: midlife crisis in paris
both too boring and detached from world of a normal 16 year old.

[Anonymous No.6848835]

>>6848406
>all this idealistic dribble

patriciandom is a meme

[Anonymous No.6848836]

>>6848171
>My kid brother (he's 16)
you mean your imaginary friend and >I'm 16
>list
it's shit even for older people
>Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
>Ulysses by James Joyce
how can anyone put this together ?

>über-patrician
confirmed for 16 new fag

>inb4 it's bait

[Anonymous No.6848846]

Dude. I feel like some of that shit is way too complex for a 16 on entry level. Try and get him into some Greek and Egyptian mythology. Get him to read some of Julius Caesar's works on his campaigns and other exciting classical works. Finally get him into Homer and Virgil.

[Anonymous No.6849060]

I remember a few years ago I bought my brother "Sun and Steel" for his birthday. He was 17 and I figured it would be a good text for him. I returned home a couple of years later to find it in his room.

Turned out he never even opened it.

[Anonymous No.6849106]

>>6849060
>choosing gifts for people that you think are "good for them"

[Anonymous No.6849124]

>>6848171

This was made for a reason.

[Anonymous No.6849187]

>>6849106
>Not wanting others to rise up from the cave
No anon, you are the pleb

[Anonymous No.6849204]

fiction is entertainment.

[Anonymous No.6849209]

>>6849060
He probably thought it was Gay Porn.

You weren't subconsciously trying to turn him into a "manly" neo-reactionary homo-warrior were you?

[Anonymous No.6849318]

>>6848406
Seconding divine comedy, I read it when I was 16 and really enjoyed it

[Anonymous No.6849437]

>>6849209
>He probably thought it was Gay Porn.
All the more reason to read it, faggot

[Anonymous No.6849796]

>>6849124
Do people really think this list is good?