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Prose vs Substance Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:18:06 2015 No.6847126 [Reply] [Original]

what book is the epitome of "Prose for Prose sake (or Style over Substance)" and another book that is the epitome of "Substance over Style"

I need to prove my GF wrong. Help

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:21:15 2015 No.6847144 >implying style isn't substance

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:28:47 2015 No.6847176 >>6847126 >getting in arguments about literature without knowing enough about it to be able to think of your own examples You see where you fucked up right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:33:07 2015 No.6847190 File: 773 KB, 1240x869, 6041bee6b1a52fe6d6058a9a778115a1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6847126 >cities ;)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:50:19 2015 No.6847253 File: 247 KB, 2000x1935, 1437270619266.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Implying Justin Bieber isn't attractive Oookay

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:52:03 2015 No.6847262 Lolita obviously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:52:52 2015 No.6847263 >>6847190 Dresden was immoral so was Hiroshima.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:52:55 2015 No.6847264 File: 46 KB, 600x413, 149616_117445368409655_1965054835_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >elementary lizard testing Sure thing, buddy. pic related

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:58:12 2015 No.6847275 File: 241 KB, 349x396, le contemplating man3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6847190 I actually doubt too much, if possible. Maybe it's something to do with the way we interpret it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:05:49 2015 No.6847313 File: 157 KB, 2394x2244, 1430673861609.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6847275 But is this actually even true >inb4 telemachus pic related is pretty revealing

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:07:12 2015 No.6847318 >>6847264 doubtful tbh. Try test #2 instead

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:16:06 2015 No.6847363 >>6847263 hiroshima was justified.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:17:50 2015 No.6847373 >>6847363 See >>6847313 >>6847264 Not claiming I know everything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:20:39 2015 No.6847385 >>6847275 Makes sense, I guess. Would you say it happened before, or after? Does it even make any difference? (not talking about the principles btw)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:21:30 2015 No.6847388 >>6847363 by the bad guys

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:24:19 2015 No.6847402 File: 84 KB, 524x760, comman62cov.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6847373 >>6847388 pic related

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:27:50 2015 No.6847420 File: 156 KB, 1120x767, Vladimir Mikhaylovich Komarov.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6847402 Marx was less involved with the idea of the thing than with the specific tests, though Same with his successors, really

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:28:35 2015 No.6847422 >>6847262 This

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:28:44 2015 No.6847426 >>6847126 So you saying you like shitty prose eh?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:30:16 2015 No.6847429 >>6847422 I'd say the same if he wasn't countermanded as things stand, though, you'd need to run #4 and #5 for it to mean anything

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:33:08 2015 No.6847442 File: 130 KB, 312x670, 4yFoDgj.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6847429 This is false. Compare top and bottom

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:40:17 2015 No.6847472 What in hell is going on in this thread?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:49:18 2015 No.6847508 File: 58 KB, 600x400, 1414077957861.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6847442 >posts a disjunction >asks for comparison OP was right all along

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:53:26 2015 No.6847528
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>>6847508
>implying
It's possible to derive without background, you know.

You're right, still, but you might need some set of instructions to use it non-neurotically unless you’re sure your life is all together.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:54:52 2015 No.6847539 >>6847528 This guy has no clue what he's talking about The comparison is bullshit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:55:27 2015 No.6847544 i like how most of the images on the right are propaganda posters

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:57:13 2015 No.6847553 >>6847126 Ulysses for prose, since the plot of the book is just Leopold Bloom walking around Dublin doing errands.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:58:07 2015 No.6847557 File: 1.19 MB, 929x1213, astrocism.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6847544 Check that against >>6847190 and you'll see how things fall into place

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:23:26 2015 No.6847632
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>>6847544

>If propaganda is to succeed, it must know what it wants. It must keep a clear and firm goal in mind, and seek the appropriate means and methods to reach that goal. Propaganda as such is neither good nor evil. Its moral value is determined by the goals it seeks. Propaganda must be creative. -- Joseph Goebbels

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:24:55 2015 No.6847636 >>6847632 One word: Utica.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:28:49 2015 No.6847650 >>6847557 >>6847632 the point being propaganda posters are what a subject should aspire to, not really what they were like

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:30:27 2015 No.6847658
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>>6847632
I bet he enjoyed watching his kids writhe around dying from the poison he fed them- both the literal poison and the ideological poison he subjected them into for their short lives.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:32:13 2015 No.6847664 >>6847650 I don't think you really understood my image >>6847557

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:32:32 2015 No.6847668 tests?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:34:06 2015 No.6847676 >>6847664 kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:34:19 2015 No.6847677 >>6847668 From what I can gather, they've already been run

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:34:20 2015 No.6847679 >>6847658 He loved his family very much. He was a good man and dindu nuffin wrong.

Anonymous Sun Jul 19 00:04:04 2015 No.6847770

>>6847126
Capote is king of stylish prose with nothing to say.

Getting away from just prose, Madame Bovary and Flaubert's whole aesthetic is style = substance.

in terms of substance over style, look at anything pre Flaubert

Good luck in your argument, give her an angry skullfuck from /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 01:14:33 2015 No.6848037 >>6847126 Finnegans Wake is literally the ultimate pinnacle, one could even say reductio ad absurdum, of Style over Substance. Joyce once said it is all style and no content.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 01:47:20 2015 No.6848141 File: 87 KB, 948x435, japan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 02:16:47 2015 No.6848205 >>6847126 I was born in le wrong generation. Why couldnt I live in an opressive, corrupt regime that looks really cool in propaganda? :(

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 04:34:37 2015 No.6848460 >>6848141 boner tbh >>6847126 look into formalist criticism and find out why your distinction is meaningless

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 04:47:27 2015 No.6848499 >>6848460 >look into formalist criticism and find out why your distinction is meaningless technically his distinction is meaningful, so formalist criticism must be meaningless.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 04:51:39 2015 No.6848511 >>6847126 Why would you want to seek for books that confirm a memetic false dichotomy ? It's like you want 4chan to have even more sway over your intellectual life than it already has.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 04:59:37 2015 No.6848529 >>6848499 technically youre a nigger

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 05:07:15 2015 No.6848543 >>6848499 technically formalist criticism is meaningful, so his distinction must be meaningless

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 06:21:31 2015 No.6848639 >>6847363 dresden was justified, too.

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