/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6835622]

Male feminist here,

How do we fight white privilege and patriarchy if women keep rewarding privileged white patriarchs?

[Anonymous No.6835628]

interesting for sure, brother, as fuck, so computers tbh

[Anonymous No.6835630]

[Anonymous No.6835636]

>>6835622
Interesting as fuck

[Anonymous No.6835638]

>>6835622
>>6835628
>>6835630
so computers

[Anonymous No.6835651]

>Male feminist here,

[Anonymous No.6835690]

>>6835638
>>6835636
>>6835628
Nice meme fella redditors:^]

[Anonymous No.6836517]

>>6835622
The nature of feminism being as assertive as it is won't solve the problem. Address the issues when they arise, don't scream about things that aren't happening or don't have an aggressive nature.

If they reward them it's their funeral.

[Anonymous No.6836552]

By destroying capitalism

Identity politics have no revolutionary power

[Anonymous No.6836577]

>>6836552
define revolutionary power

[Anonymous No.6836585]

>>6835622
after 40 years of feminazism, all betas are already enslaved

there is nothing left to be done

[Anonymous No.6836588]

>>6835622
Hokey as fuck
>>6835630
Laughable as fuck
>>6835651
brother

[Anonymous No.6836606]

>>6836577
The ability to demolish oppressive heirarchies like capitalism and the patriarchy

Do you really think bourgeois feminism has the ability to to make real systemic change when it embraces electoralism and lacks class analysis

Anti-capitalism is the crux of intersectionality imo

[Anonymous No.6836612]

>>6835622
yeah! down with the patriarchs!

[Anonymous No.6836617]

>>6836552
Identity politics are used by the radical intelligentsia to control education and groom a new revolutionary class, as the proletariat has no motivation to revolt in a functioning capitalist society.
People like OP are just being manipulated into brainwashed shills to subvert tradition, morality, and discipline in established institutions to enable said intelligentsia to create a new power establishment.

Ideology is literally a meme. A memetic virus that spreads from person to person. It's pretty useless and I shun all forms of it.

[Anonymous No.6836622]

Just give it time.

Unless you're talking about a war zone where might makes right, a society will always cater to the desires of women. They are the more important sex when it comes to propagating genes.

[Anonymous No.6836629]

>>6836606
Feminism can demolish oppressive patriarchal hierarchies. It's been doing that for the past century. Whether it does away with capitalism is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.6836634]

>>6836617
Is this the cultural marxism boogeyman?

And of course you adhere to ideology, just look at your post
"Tradition, morality, and discipline" are right-wing memes

[Anonymous No.6836645]

Why are people responding to such shit bait?

MODS wake the fuck up

[Anonymous No.6836650]

>>6836629
>feminism
>not capitalist

top kek

[Anonymous No.6836661]

>>6836645
what mods?
this is /lit/

[Anonymous No.6836679]

>>6836650
Try to use sentences, idiot.

[Anonymous No.6836691]

>>6836629

Would you rather have more female politicians or get rid of oppressive political structures entirely?

Would you rather have more female CEOs or get rid of oppressive corporate structures entirely?
The same corporate structures that dehumanize women and don't give them maternity leave or equal pay in the pursuit of profit? Would having women in upper management actually change the nature of corporations operating in a capitalist economy?

Would you rather have more female cops and judges or get rid of the racist judicial system entirely?

Feminism without class analysis is worthless at actually creating worthwhile change Instead, by integrating them, it makes them complicit in these institutions and turns them into oppressors of their own sex and of other marginalized groups.

Bourgeois feminism is looking at a slave-master and his slaves and saying it's progress if the slave-master lets some of his slaves become overseers.

[Anonymous No.6836694]

>>6836679
Identity politics is replacing a collective sense of identity based on material social relations (I'm a labourer, therefore working class) with individualistic sense of identity based on sexuality, race, etc.
It sees liberation in terms of getting individuals to modify their behaviour, to make better individual choices, to be more individually conscientious in how they speak and what language they use, it has absolutely fuck all relation to the material relations of production.

Neoliberal identity bollocks is just capitalism trying to prepare itself for a non-gendered and ethnically diverse workforce.
Reproducing the means of production, making sure that the system can cope with the ethnic, gender, sexual, religous, (ie not directly economic) changes that society is undergoing so that capital can be accumulated in the future.
Speech codes, affirmative action, multiculturalism, and general ‘political correctness’ can best be understood as liberal mechanisms to regulate behavior in a manner which fosters racial tolerance while simultaneously solidifying the belief that capitalism’s class divisions are structured along genuinely meritocratic lines — meritocracy being the bourgeoisie’s principal self-legitimating ideological construct in the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.6836699]

sorry you must be looking for the feminism boards

>>>/v/
>>>/r9k/
>>>/pol/

don't bring this shit to my precious /lit/

books or gtfo

[Anonymous No.6836711]

>>6835622
>How do we fight white privilege and patriarchy if women keep rewarding privileged white patriarchs?

So feminism is literally fight against (specifically) white males?

I don't understand. Why? Please don't be a troll and let's have a civilized discussion without degenerating to the usage of memes and bait.

[Anonymous No.6836712]

>>6835622
The huge majority of women will not be happy for long without "rewarding" men who the perceive as valuable. Even the most outspoken straight feminists I know have "standards" for their partners that somehow end up fitting the same mold of the successful, healthy white man but maybe with a nose piercing or slightly longer hair than average.

You as a male feminist are clinging to some feel-good nonsense you were told in the third grade to keep boys from pulling girls hair too much. Women have needs that aren't just a modern social construct, and you're trying to make it harder and harder for men to satisfy those needs while pressuring women to deny their own desires. You aren't liberating anyone, you're suppressing the closest thing each sex has to a "reason for existence" (inb4 only plebs care about sexual desire; most people are pretty simple) and then getting frustrated when the masses don't get with the program.

[Anonymous No.6836720]

>>6836712
>The huge majority of women will not be happy for long without "rewarding" men who the perceive as valuable.
>Even the most outspoken straight feminists I know have "standards"


Feminism has gone fucking insane

Women should be objects of exchange again. This degeneracy is too much to handle

[Anonymous No.6836721]

>>6835622
>Male feminist here

[Anonymous No.6836731]

>>6836694
Read: paranoia

[Anonymous No.6836739]

>>6836721
I for one support OP, fuck your ainamu weeaboo jackoff image.

[Anonymous No.6836740]

>>6836731
It's just the cultral logic of late capitalism, mate.

[Anonymous No.6836744]

>>6836731
Nice rebuttal

[Anonymous No.6836754]

>>6836720
>ignoring context this hard
>ignoring the other two statements that made up the actual argument
Not sure what else to expect from an internet feminist.

[Anonymous No.6836767]

>>6836754
>muh 'I am entitled to get laid' meme

lel, you were born ugly and disgusting, deal with it.
Loneliness can't be that bad. It's nice that girls have standards.

[Anonymous No.6836770]

>>6836744
It's the sort of assertion that can't be directly rebutted. It's asserted without evidence and therefore can be dismissed without evidence. Now, maybe the poster could have explicitly labeled his idea as nothing more than a theory.

[Anonymous No.6836782]

>>6836711
>So feminism is literally fight against (specifically) white males?
Not exactly. It's WHITE women's fight against whatever males are the ruling majority in a particular culture. You can bet they hate darkies in the 3rd world more than the average KKK member would. Most of the upper echelon of feminism are white.

[Anonymous No.6836788]

>>6836770
>It's asserted without evidence and therefore can be dismissed without evidence

*fips tehora*

You sound like some moronic 14 year old who has just stumbled upon a Chris Hidgens fedora video.

It's remarkable how morons like you genuinely do not see how feminism (and in general identity politics), diversity (migration flows, blurring of national identities, more open boarders and cultural appropriation, etc), anti-Western resentment (and terror), and 'degeneracy' (i.e. sex sells) have anything to do with capitalism.

[Anonymous No.6836792]

>>6836770
If you're the feminist that I've been arguing with, can you respond to my post >>6836691

[Anonymous No.6836811]

>>6836788
>It's remarkable how morons like you genuinely do not see how feminism (and in general identity politics), diversity (migration flows, blurring of national identities, more open boarders and cultural appropriation, etc), anti-Western resentment (and terror), and 'degeneracy' (i.e. sex sells) have anything to do with capitalism.

not him, but your broad statements really scream (citation needed) all over

[Anonymous No.6836812]

>>6836788
The thing is you can blame anything on "capitalism". Economics is all-pervading throughout human society.

[Anonymous No.6836813]

>>6835622
Have an open marriage with her. She needs to ground herself by exploring. Oh, and prenups are gross tbqh

[Anonymous No.6836817]

>>6836767
Wow, you actually think the whole point of that post is that I'm mad that girls have standards? I'm actually one of the guys who sleeps with very outspoken feminist girls despite not sharing many of their beliefs, and yeah, it is great that they have standards because otherwise I might have to share more. The point is that for all the bitching and moaning about rich white men, most of the ones I know sure do enjoy an expensive night out with a tall white athlete from their extremely privileged university student body. Just pointing out the "how white guys for me, but not for thee" hypocrisy.

[Anonymous No.6836820]

>>6836617
>functioning capitalist society
>cultural marxism
>ideology is just a spook guys
I don't even know is this bait or not, which frightens me.

[Anonymous No.6836834]

How the fuck do people actually respond to OP in this thread, as if he actually was a male feminist wanting to fight white privilege and patriarchy?
Are you guys literally here the first week from reddit?

[Anonymous No.6836841]

>>6836834
These days it's any ecuse for the /r9k/ crowd to scream about worthless whores and the feminist plot to cuck all non-Chads*

*I apologize for the buzzwords