/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6834610]

>implying all of non-rhymed poetry isn't utter shit

Literally any talentless hack can throw random words in random metrics on paper and call it "poetry"

[Anonymous No.6834628]

[Anonymous No.6834629]

>>6834610
>ITT OP ignored Paradise Lost

[Anonymous No.6834632]

>your poem doesnt rhyme!
>booooooo!
>faggot!


>your car has no bumper, no hood, no fenders
>what the fuck dude?
>its a hotrod
>WHERE IS THE BUMPER, HOOD FENDERS THEN?
>finish your fucking car and then try to sell it

[Anonymous No.6834636]

but it isn't

here's an example

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0iYJtU3wCh1

[Anonymous No.6834645]

>>6834610
looks turkish

[Anonymous No.6834719]

>>6834645
looks eastern european as fuck, my man

>that cold dead stare
>that slav face

Russian or Polish 100%

[Anonymous No.6834723]

>>6834628
also, fuck off to >>>/soc/ with your attention whoring

[Anonymous No.6834731]

>>6834719
>cold dead stare
do these gleeful eyes look dead to you

[Anonymous No.6834733]

>>6834719
he's a Serb, and so is >>6834628
Some faggot from /int/'s ex-yu general decided to shit post on /lit/
>>6834723
He's a meme on /int/
>>6834723

[Anonymous No.6834746]

>>6834733
check'd

>Serb
Same thing tbh


>>6834731
he looks dead inside, actually

[Anonymous No.6834762]

>>6834610
The reason non-rhyming poetry is a higher level is because making poetry effective without rhymes is a lot harder.

[Anonymous No.6834773]

>>6834762
>making poetry effective without rhymes is a lot harder.
no it's not, like OP said >any talentless hack can throw random words in random metrics on paper and call it "poetry"

[Anonymous No.6834777]

>>6834762
define effective

[Anonymous No.6834779]

>>6834610
>>6834773

[Anonymous No.6834789]

>>6834779
epic poetry basically isn't poetry

[Anonymous No.6834792]

>>6834789
>Implying Milton only wrote epic poetry

[Anonymous No.6834811]

>>6834792
His other poetry rhymed retard

[Anonymous No.6834833]

>>6834811
Return when you've read Samson Agonistes.

[Anonymous No.6834847]

>>6834610
You have 12 years to explain why Cummings is utter shit.

[Anonymous No.6834851]

>>6834833
Why are you even posting here, you're posting Milton in a bait thread that says non rhyming poets suck when Milton wrote a lot of rhyming poetry

[Anonymous No.6834852]

>>6834833
>Samson Agonistes
>poem

[Anonymous No.6834858]

>>6834629
He didn't though. Paradise lost adheres to a metric format, it's written in blank verse.

[Anonymous No.6834863]

>>6834851
The response is to OP's first statement, not the second

>>6834852
"On the title page, Milton wrote that the piece was a "Dramatic Poem" instead of it being a drama."
You're embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.6834871]

>>6834858
Not that anon, but you need to read OP's post again, specifically 'non-rhymed poetry' and 'any talentless hack can throw random words in random metrics'.

[Anonymous No.6834885]

>>6834871
Ah, I thought he meant that the metrics fluctuate.

[Anonymous No.6834895]

>>6834852
>you
>not disabled

[Anonymous No.6834900]

>>6834610
If you're skilled enough to write good unrhymed poetry, you're skilled enough to write rhymed poetry.

[Anonymous No.6834909]

>>6834863
>>6834895
>b-b-b-but the cover said it!

[Anonymous No.6834937]

>>6834610
op, fat cocks,
how many can
this man suck?
a dozen, today,
tomorrow, one
thousand. kek.

[Anonymous No.6834943]

>>6834909
I'm not sure if you're trolling at this point but Samson Agonistes is written in verse.

[Anonymous No.6834955]

>>6834909
SA is blank verse...

[Anonymous No.6834990]

>>6834789
>>6834811
>>6834852
>>6834909

[Anonymous No.6834996]

>>6834610
I don't believe you're right to say that so.
iambic pentametre

[Anonymous No.6836005]

>>6834937
Mods? Nope? Okay. Back to... literature.

[Anonymous No.6836233]

>>6834610
>Iliad
>Odyssey
>Aeneid
>Metamorposes
>Beowulf
>Shakespeare's plays
>Milton
sure thing, m8

[Anonymous No.6837062]

>>6834610
So your retarded argument is that the act of rhyming is so difficult that any poet who chooses not to do it must be incapable? Or that the lines not rhyming is the defining feature of bad poetry? How do you live with your stupidity? How can you take the one thing about poetry so easy that every horrible fucking teenage poem meets that requirement and think it's an essential feature? How can you not know that "metrics" is a completely separate issue from rhyme? Who is responsible for raising you to this sorry pitiful state?

[Anonymous No.6837125]

>To him who in the love of Nature holds
>Communion with her visible forms, she speaks
>A various language; for his gayer hours
>She has a voice of gladness, and a smile
>And eloquence of beauty, and she glides
>Into his darker musings, with a mild
>And healing sympathy, that steals away
>Their sharpness, ere he is aware. When thoughts
>Of the last bitter hour come like a blight
>Over thy spirit, and sad images
>Of the stern agony, and shroud, and pall,
>And breathless darkness, and the narrow house,
>Make thee to shudder, and grow sick at heart;—
>Go forth, under the open sky, and list
>To Nature’s teachings, while from all around—
>Earth and her waters, and the depths of air—
>Comes a still voice—
> Yet a few days, and thee
>The all-beholding sun shall see no more
>In all his course; nor yet in the cold ground,
>Where thy pale form was laid, with many tears,
>Nor in the embrace of ocean, shall exist
>Thy image. Earth, that nourished thee, shall claim
>Thy growth, to be resolved to earth again,
>And, lost each human trace, surrendering up
>Thine individual being, shalt thou go
>To mix for ever with the elements,
>To be a brother to the insensible rock
>And to the sluggish clod, which the rude swain
>Turns with his share, and treads upon. The oak
>Shall send his roots abroad, and pierce thy mould.


Fuck off, OP.

[Anonymous No.6837194]

>>6834996

Don't quit your day job just yet

[Anonymous No.6837195]

>>6836233
>>Beowulf

Not just Beowulf but the entire corpus of Old English. Since Anglo-Saxon poetry was predicated on alliteration (there were strict rules around it), end-rhyme was almost unheard of until the Norman Conquest brought in French influences.

That's centuries of English poetry with no rhyme. Not to mention, as you obviously point out, rhyme was entirely absent in Latin/Greek writing

Milton on rhyme:

>The Measure is English Heroic Verse without Rime, as that of Homer in Greek, and Virgil in Latin; Rhime being no necessary Adjunct or true Ornament of Poem or good Verse, in longer Works especially, but the Invention of a barbarous Age, to set off wretched matter and lame Meeter; grac't indeed since by the use of some famous modern Poets, carried away by Custom, but much to thir own vexation, hindrance, and constraint to express many things otherwise, and for the most part worse then else they would have exprest them. Not without cause therefore some both Italian, and Spanish Poets of prime note have rejected Rhime both in longer and shorter Works, as have also long since our best English Tragedies, as a thing of itself, to all judicious ears, triveal, and of no true musical delight; which consists onely in apt Numbers, fit quantity of Syllables, and the sense variously drawn out from one Verse into another, not in the jingling sound of like endings, a fault avoyded by the learned Ancients both in Poetry and all good Oratory. This neglect then of Rhime so little is to be taken for a defect, though it may seem so perhaps to vulgar Readers, that it rather is to be esteem'd an example set, the first in English, of ancient liberty recover'd to heroic Poem from the troublesom and modern bondage of Rimeing.

[Anonymous No.6837213]

I can't read any poetry
it's either taudry and awful, or I get lost in the meter and rhyme and can't make any sense of what's going on, or it just feels like weird prose that isn't good

[Anonymous No.6837238]

>>6837213
Next time I see a retarded opinion I assume is bait, I'll remember there are people like this here.

[Anonymous No.6837243]

You can't have a proper discussion about scansion here because the formalists here don't read poetry and thus can't possibly realize that even the greatest poets didn't autistically cleave to a meter absolutely, but rather made compromises between their message and their form. If you read Basho, for instance, he rarely stuck closely to the haiku scheme all mediocre poets sycophantically learn and thenceforth adhere to.

A good diagnosis of someone's aptitude for poetry is how they esteem Keats, who is technically perfect but unoriginal and sterile. He is the favourite of all who value form at the expense of top-tier content. Sycophants.

[Anonymous No.6837250]

>>6837238
That wasn't bait. I'm not denigrating poetry, I just can't get into it.

[Anonymous No.6837291]

OP is someone to learn from, here he is baiting yet it's clear deep down he's pleb enough to believe what he's saying. Fascinating.

[Anonymous No.6837516]

OP, post some of the based Serbian poetry. I admire your country, the land of freedom fighters.

[Anonymous No.6838381]

>>6834610
Not entirely true. There are a number of other poetic devices, besides rhyming, that are used in poetry to great effect (e.g. "Beowulf" was written in alliterative verse, Wilfred Owen's "Strange Meeting" employed half-rhymes instead of full-rhymes and doesn't rhyme in the "traditional" sense, etc.), so I feel like your statement that all non-rhyming poetry sucks is a little narrow. Even at that, there are some great examples of good free verse (e.g. T.S. Eliot's "The Hollow Men") and some little ditties that are have little value, but are still cleverly written and enjoyable (e.g. "Do You Carrot All For Me?").

Still, 95%-99% of free verse sucks and is written by talentless hacks.

[Anonymous No.6839033]

>>6837213


Good poetry usually takes more than one pass through to understand. Great poetry usually takes many more.

Regarding getting lost in meter and rhyme whatever that means sometimes it helps to hear the poet read his own work.

As luck would have it one of if not the best poet of the 20th century has posted this online

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/182857