Any particular way I should go about reading Foucault, i.e., which books should I read first? I read the Foucault reader about a year ago and I want to go back and try to develop a better understanding of what that goat-fucker is trying to say.

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Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:46:47 2015 No.6822798 [Reply] [Original]

Any particular way I should go about reading Foucault, i.e., which books should I read first? I read the Foucault reader about a year ago and I want to go back and try to develop a better understanding of what that goat-fucker is trying to say.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:51:13 2015 No.6822817
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>>6822798
All right op, what you wanna do is go grab yourself of this German guy fredrich Nietzsche's book on the genealogy of morals. Then what you do is read Foucault's essay "Nietzsche, genealogy, history" which will explain how he continues the method. Then start reading either discipline and punish or history of sexuality volume 1.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:55:27 2015 No.6822838 >>6822798 The genuine Foucault experience is getting AIDS and fucking as much boipussi as you can to spread it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:08:31 2015 No.6822885 >>6822838 inappropriate

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:08:52 2015 No.6822888 >>6822817 This. You might also want to read Althusser (his teacher) and Barthes. Once you're done with all three, start with Madness and Civilization and go from there. His other works won't make sense to you otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:11:01 2015 No.6822893 File: 1.37 MB, 912x1200, schopenhauer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6822817 >>6822888 Read Schopenhauer's World as Will and Representation first.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:12:43 2015 No.6822901 >>6822798 read through Hegel, there are some clear links between the two

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:13:43 2015 No.6822904 >>6822838 I bet he would have got off knowing that particular orgy he went to would have eventually killed him. He probably would have still done it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:14:44 2015 No.6822912 >you will never have a private conversation with Foucault on something non philosophy related

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:15:46 2015 No.6822918 >>6822893 No, start with Fichte. Or Kant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:16:05 2015 No.6822920 >>6822912 He'd probably fuck you and give you AIDS so it might be a good thing that it'll never happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:16:56 2015 No.6822924 >>6822918 No, start with Hume. (endless chain begins)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:17:02 2015 No.6822925 >>6822920 Nah Foucault seemed like a cool guy. /lit/ has an irrational hate for the guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:17:07 2015 No.6822926 >>6822920 good mamy :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:17:54 2015 No.6822929 >>6822817 >>6822888 Yes. >>6822893 >>6822901 >>6822918 >>6822924 No. >inb4 'start with the greeks'

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:22:56 2015 No.6822946 in chronological order, really. Discipline and Punish is the best he's done, but Madness and Civilization is up there as well. both really important works. after that he gets into the 'b urself find urself' stage and it's a bit less interesting

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:23:36 2015 No.6822952 >>6822929 Start with the Annunaki.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:42:51 2015 No.6823029 >>6823006 defenstrate

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:49:10 2015 No.6823049

>>6822798
Foucault is the rare bunch among them who actually works well without having too much of a prior knowledge of philosophy. Discipline and Punish and History of Sexuality vol 1 can be read and grasped quite well as standalone texts apart from the continental tradition.

But yes, a reading of some of the figures surrounding him would greatly help. Althusser's ISA essay will give you a sense of where he's coming from and what he's writing against. Deleuze's book on Nietzsche (particularly in regards to Nietzsche's genealogical method as the correction to Kant's critical philosophy) is also very much a presence within later Foucault.

Please keep this in mind as well: Foucault is a philosopher not a sociologist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:49:44 2015 No.6823051 what does Squad goals mean and what was their goal?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:55:32 2015 No.6823063

>>6823049
No, he's not really a philosopher, either. He's more of a cultural genealogist, or a historian of sorts. I agree with you completely when you say you don't need too much of a prior knowledge of philosophy.

Of course, knowing more about philosophy is not going to hurt you when reading theory, but I would hardly say that a knowledge of Althusser or Kant is necessary. Foucault's most popular books, like the ones you mentioned + The Order of Things and Birth of the Clinic, more or less speak for themselves.

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just jump right in. You could read Nietsche to get to know where he is coming from but he is just as good standalone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:09:44 2015 No.6823108 >>6823049 I blame Deleuze's interpretation of Foucault for why the humanities in the West suck nowadays. I also blame it for tumblr/SJWs.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:12:28 2015 No.6823121

>>6823063
You don't have to read Critique of Pure Reason here (Deleuze's writing on Nietzsche's relation to Kant suffices) but you're doing Foucault's work a bit of a disservice if you don't realize how massive his genealogy of knowledge genesis and formation is in light of Kant's critical project.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:13:36 2015 No.6823127 >>6823108 you mean analytics

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:17:47 2015 No.6823154 >>6823127 Explain. Analytic philosophy is the polar opposite of SJW methodology.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:20:01 2015 No.6823160 >>6823154 its generally anti-humanities and is pretty big in the anglo world

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:22:01 2015 No.6823168

>>6822817
While doing this is useful, Foucault's essay was written in order to pay homage to the professor that taught him Nietzsche, Canguilhem I think, and its main goal is to explain Nietzsche, rather than the way he utilizes and tweaks his method himself.

Anyway, OP. This has been said before, but here we go: read the intro written by Gary Gutting and then just jump into Discipline and Punish. There's also a fantastic interview where he explains the book's process, if you can find it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:22:12 2015 No.6823169

>>6822798
He was a sexually repressed closet homosexual in his youth who acted out violently. He came from a wealthy upper middle class upbringing and never had to work a day in his life, so he was free to travel the world, fuck boipussy, and write. He held extreme pent up hatred towards his father, who disapproved of his sexuality and made him so fucked in the head. All of his work attacks his dad, or his image of his dad, in some manner.

Basically all of his work is:
>muh the present isn't perfect, points in ancient history were better at certain things
>muh power structures
>muh communism
>muh selective views of history where I only read and cite sources I agree with

There are numerous logical errors in his works, and there is substantial evidence that contradicts what he says, but nevertheless his challenging of status quo view of progress at the very least spark a productive conversation, although they are flawed in many ways.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:23:29 2015 No.6823174

>>6823160
That's because it relies on (actual) science and math, and not bullshit "theories" that can't be scientifically proven.

The Sokal Paper pretty much destroyed the credibility of the humanities. Plus, no one in psychology takes Freud or Lacan seriously, yet they're still being taught in literature class as if they were.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:28:04 2015 No.6823191

>>6823169
>never had to work a day in his life
And this wrong or discredits him why exactly?

>All of his work attacks his dad, or his image of his dad, in some manner.
Is there a consensus among scholars about this? Or is it something you just made up?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:29:29 2015 No.6823194

>>6823174
>The Sokal Paper pretty much destroyed the credibility of the humanities.
I'm sorry, but this is completely wrong. Sokal took one instance of a shitty cultural studies journal publishing a garbage paper and made a tremendous mountain out of a molehill. Social Text blows and everyone knows that. Not to mention that he got blown the fuck out by Derrida's response. John Searle, his cohort, got similarly blown the fuck out by Butler in one paragraph. I'm not saying that the humanities are credible, but the Sokal affair is a terrible example of that, just be aware of that if you ever try that argument with someone who has read about it at all.

>No one in psychology takes Freud or Lacan seriously, yet they're still being taught in literature class as if they were.
You clearly have never taken a psychology class. Freud and his theories are still widely taught. Not saying that's a good thing, but he most certainly is taken seriously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:32:55 2015 No.6823206 >>6823194 >Not to mention that he got blown the fuck out by Derrida's response. John Searle, his cohort, got similarly blown the fuck out by Butler in one paragraph Source? That sounds awesome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:34:27 2015 No.6823209 >>6823194 >>6823206 Yes, please provide a link.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:36:34 2015 No.6823218 >>6823206 >>6823209 Derrida: http://www(DOT)critical-theory.com/read-derridas-response-sokal-affair/ Butler: https://pantherfile(DOT)uwm.edu/wash/www/butler.htm

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:37:41 2015 No.6823220

>>6823191
>And this wrong or discredits him why exactly?
He is a pseudo historian who has a disconnect not only with the society he currently lives in, but also with the societies he compares it do by actively using skewed sources in his analysis.

>Is there a consensus among scholars about this? Or is it something you just made up?
Not sure on consensus of scholars, but I am aware that his work is fiercely debated. He came from a long line of wealthy surgeons, and his father pushed for him to follow in his footsteps and practice medicine. Foucault defied him and pursued academia, which combined with his sexuality made the relationship with his father tenuous and shaped and affected his views and development.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:56:50 2015 No.6823314 >>6823169 You make it quite obvious you have never read Foucault. History of sexuality is arguing against the idea that our sexual identity is "repressed" read before you post

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:59:22 2015 No.6823324 >>6823314 >>6823169 Not only that but >muh communism Foucault became very critical of Marxism and especially their centralization of power

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:02:59 2015 No.6823338 >>6823314 >>6823324 >reading books >on /lit/ Where do you think we are?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:03:21 2015 No.6823343 >>6823332 Philosophy, unless it's analytic, is not science. It is word games. Continental philosophy promotes bullshit ways of thinking. Irrationality on a mass-scale has only lead to disaster (think: fascism and stalinism).

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:10:16 2015 No.6823373

>>6823174
What's the point of a philosophy that relies on "actual" science and maths but is actually neither of them ? Do you think a fraud is suddenly more honest from borrowing venerable clothes ? Idiot.

>The Sokal Paper pretty much destroyed the credibility of the humanities.

The Sokal paper is a meme. He didn't even publish it in a peer-reviewed journal. There have been science hoax papers published in peer-reviewed STEM journal but I don't see you claiming that it "destroyed the credibility of research science".

>Plus, no one in psychology takes Freud or Lacan seriously

Source on that ?

Let me take a guess: you've never studied science, maths or humanities at a level above undergrad, and that shows in that one post aline. See, I too can rave about things I don't know.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:43:55 2015 No.6823490

>>6823343
>Irrationality on a mass-scale has only lead to disaster (think: fascism and stalinism).
LOL! I hate to break it to ya bud, but totalitarian systems like the ones you mentioned rely a lot on rationality and heavily scorn anything they deem "irrational", similar to the shit you're pulling. Fascism, in particular, is highly rationalist and essentialist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:24:11 2015 No.6823596 >>6822888 >Barthes How is he of any relevance?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:24:25 2015 No.6823778 File: 29 KB, 350x301, reaction-face-rf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6822798 >mfw i made this image 2 days ago for my fb wall

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 05:13:58 2015 No.6823893 >>6823778 very well good that you did that

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 06:39:35 2015 No.6824022

>>6823373
I don't think anybody in psychology takes Lacan/Freud super seriously but that doesn't mean psychoanalysis isn't an interesting critical theory. In much the same you can be sympathetic to Marx without being full-blown communist. This often confuses STEMlords.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 06:44:17 2015 No.6824031 >Any particular way I should go about reading Foucault, i.e., which books should I read first? Read Plato's Republic where he debunks the idea that truth is a construct of power.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 15:20:26 2015 No.6825723 File: 24 KB, 500x500, judge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6824031 and the rest of western philosophy has been debunking plato ever since. the only amazing thing about the greeks is how meticulously they are studied.

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