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Can we talk about Ayn Rand? The statists over at /r/philosophy cant handle unpopular opines that she has.
Favorite book?
Favorite quote?
Just finished Atlas Shrugged afew weeks ago, honstly one of the most well written thoughtful stories I've read in a long time. Really changed the way I look at the world

>> No.6822153

>>6822144
she's awful at everything and her philosophy hardly qualifies as such. More of just childish thoughts and opinions that don't make sense under scrutiny

Anthem is pretty good because she doesn't go about ranting about rich people being victims in society and so on

>Atlas Shrugged
>thoughtful

how much do you read buddy

>> No.6822154

>>6822144
>honstly one of the most well written thoughtful stories I've read in a long time
Maybe that's just because you've been reading shit before now and anything even halfway competently written on a structural level comes off as thoughtful and well-written to you?

That or you're a teenager. A lot of teenagers go through Rand phases. Just hope you grow out of yours.

>> No.6822165

>>6822153
>how much do you read buddy
Well I am an engineering major, so naturally I do not have very much free time to dedicate to reading, I will be the first to admit I have not read quantity, but the quality I have read is superior to most. I have read most of the "classics".

>> No.6822172

>>6822165
it's okay friend most engineers don't get literature either

you have read classics, but this does not mean you have understood them

do you enjoy Dream Theater or Rush

>> No.6822187

>>6822172
>most engineers don't get literature either
You do know engineering is on average one of the highest IQ fields, much higher than "literature" majors of any form? Dont play the superior intellect card with me, statist.

>> No.6822192

>>6822165
B8

>> No.6822198

>>6822187
It's a different kind of intelligence. Stop being an engineer and viewing everything as objective

My best friend is a chem engineer major and he's far smarter than me, but is awful at reading a book and deriving the deeper meanings, allusions, thematic devices, etc

why are you so insecure about it?

>> No.6822208

filtered :<)

>> No.6822213

>>6822187
>>6822165
>engineer
This cockgobbler got laughed out of /sci/, then came here.

>> No.6822220

>>6822213
Tripfags are the worst.

>> No.6822225

>>6822187
IQ is a metric for the study of pattern recognition, and mathematical-logical intelligence.

The understanding and comprehension of a book's themes, and the intent of the author rely on none of these criteria, rather, empathic, linguistic intelligence, and personal experience.

>> No.6822225,1 [INTERNAL] 

Why are Leftists so concerned with status? What a bunch of fags; it's like they haven't gotten out of high school (metaphorically speaking).

>> No.6822247

>>6822144
>pic related

Jesus Christ reddit.

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6822253

>>6822213
I love how we're (if I can include myself in the collective "we") so offensive to other subs.

Reminds me of the Greeks when Xerxes came.

>You must be a /lit/tard to slay a /lit/tard

>> No.6822264

>>6822253
>subs
>/lit/tard

So much bait in this thread.
I'm out.

>> No.6822280

Whats the best Rand book to read if my sole purpose in reading it is to learn to criticize and dismiss her more effectively?
I guess what is her worst work is what Im asking

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6822287

>>6822264
fuck, back to ground zero for me

>> No.6822296

>>6822280
Atlas Shrugged

only a rambling idiot like her has the gall to write a 60 page uninterrupted speech

it goes on and on about how the rich are stifiled and oppressed by the government and leeches in society (this book was written by a woman who died living on gov't assistance because she had cancer from smoking like a fuckhead)

her entire ideology is contradiction

and her prose is snot

>> No.6822319

>>6822296
Her philosophy is just as shit as communism. They're both crap.

>> No.6822332

>>6822319
Only Marx's philosophy has actually been effective and caused change, pointed out history (and was done from a historical POV--one of the first times this was done in history)

nice try

>> No.6822337

>>6822319
>bringing up comemenism for literally no reason

>> No.6822344

>>6822332
In what way? Communism is as much of a failed experiment as Capitalism. It just flopped even faster because it was more retarded and unsustainable due to basic human nature.

>> No.6822353

>>6822344
>le human nature
fuggin epic

>> No.6822352

>>6822344
>human nature can't be changed
general semantics motherfucker

Communism and Marxist points made led to better working conditions, social security, state provided housing, and other things that are incredibly humane and only serve to help humans

>> No.6822356

>>6822144
>tripfag
>from reddit
>makes shit thread about shit writer

feels good to filter the cancer

>> No.6822366

>>6822344
Marxism applied in capitalist countries led to the eight-hour workday/foty-hour workweek, weekends, overtime pay, and other shit that's keeping you from the compulsory 60-hour week you'd have had otherwise.

>> No.6822370

>>6822344
>human nature
damn my dick tells me to grab girls butts and have sex with them on the subway
Guess it must be the right thing to do :)
also daily reminder human nature is best changed through religion

>> No.6822376

>>6822370
Human nature is best changed through social conditioning, unless you consider, say, Confucianism a religion.

>> No.6822378

>>6822366
so you admit cultural marxism and the lefts entitlement culture is the reason the Chinese economy will surpass the US in the near future?

>> No.6822391

>>6822165
You can't really have read most of the "classics" unless you actually spend a lot of time reading. "The classics" (you're right to use quotation mark since the notion is fuzzy, nonetheless there are uncontroversial classics) include at least five hunded books no matter how you cut it.

>> No.6822404

>>6822378
>working a 40 hour week instead of destroying yourself working 60 is entitlement

please put effort into your shitpost

>> No.6822421

>>6822378
If by surpassing you mean destroying itself with a combo of financial bubble bursting, hardcore polllution, militarized repression, heavy-handed protectionism and corruption then yes.

If the Chinks don't address the problem they have now, in 15 years China will be less liveable than Bulgaria, double-digit GDP growth or not

>> No.6822422

>>6822404
if you don't devote your entire life to increasing the companies value, you are a lazy bitch who should be shot for anti-societal behavior

>> No.6822439

>>6822422
damn straight my fellow die-hard libertarian comrade

>> No.6822446

>Ayn Rand
>STEM
>Muh IQ
>Le human natcher
>cultural marxism
>muh libertarianism

this thread has it all m8s, congratulations

>> No.6822447

>>6822366
>Marxism applied in capitalist countries led to the eight-hour workday/foty-hour workweek, weekends, overtime pay, and other shit that's keeping you from the compulsory 60-hour week you'd have had otherwise.
got a source on that?
Not trying to call you out, legitimately want to know, I was always told unions(socialists!!) were responsible for this

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6822457

>>6822446
Thanks my friend

>> No.6822462

>>6822447
Any history on labour activism ever.

Sunday as universal off-day was created by Proudhon tho

>> No.6822474

>>6822366
>>6822352
What I'm hearing from you is that the biggest success of Communism is that it failed to actually accomplish it's aims in the West but a few of it's window-dressing "good" ideas were picked up by the general population.

>>6822144
>>6822153
The trouble I have with Ayn Rand is that I don't buy her solutions for a minute but the problems she describes are absolutely true. How the fuck do you differentiate between an inept, corrupt and moronic politician and an effective one? For instance, why do Central America and Scandinavia have such similar systems of economics and governance with such drastically different results?

>> No.6822476

>>6822447
communism is socialism

but socialism is not necessarily communism

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6822478

>>>pol/6822447/
Just FYI
OP is either a full blow retard or a troll. I am hoping for the second.

>> No.6822496

>>6822474
kek

>> No.6822503

If Communism is so great why did it fuck everyone's shit up in China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, Vietnam, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia, Yemen, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Slovenia, Angola, Benin, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, and Mozambique?

>muh China strong
Yeah, the current Chinese boom follows Xiaoping completely gutting the entire Communist system

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6822509

>>6822474
>why do Central America and Scandinavia have such similar systems of economics and governance with such drastically different results?
You know why

>> No.6822514

>>6822503
>communism
>dissolution of the state into a dictatorship of the people where all are equal

>implying any state has ever made it past "state takes control" phase

so no, communism in a mass state hasn't happened

>> No.6822528

>>6822503
fascism and authoritarian governments are not limited to a left or right wing

>> No.6822541

>>6822514
I don't actually know what communism is, I'm just here to meme

>> No.6822558

>>6822509
That is some delicious white meat

>> No.6822843

>>6822422
now we're going into the uncharted territory, the dreaded ambiguity between a hardcore troll and a diehard libertarian.
I can't tell if this is b8 anymore, guise.

>> No.6822851

>>6822474
because they're not the same

>> No.6823146

>>6822172
What's wrong with Rush faggot?

>> No.6823162

>>6822370

>>human nature
>damn my dick tells me to grab girls butts and have sex with them on the subway
>Guess it must be the right thing to do :)
Well it is if you're trying to achieve the ultimate goal of all organisms to reproduce as quickly as possible. You're afraid of embarrassment, persecution, rejection, and loss of social standing, purely trivial human emotions.

>> No.6823172

Why are you all posting in a troll thread?

>> No.6823266

>>6822144
>arguing with reallynicole

I'm half convinced this is some badphilosophy bait

>> No.6824233

>>6823146
Beyond some of the worst lyrics in rock, Peart's awful drumming which he goes overboard on constantly, the band just doesn't get how to write a song. Sans Peart they're great musicians, but when your songs rely on switching key signatures for no good reason, you've got wank

Rush is to music what Rand is to lit

>> No.6824255

>>6822165
Classics are hundreds of books. There are around 5 per major author. Well 5 which are most important and or well known. Russian literature alone has lets say 15 major authors. There are 6 most spoken languages. That is alone 450 novels. And you claim to have no time. So have you really read that much in your extremely limited time devoted to reading? It would take you over a decade to go through all of those.
What you really meant to say is you've read your high school assigned, obviously American, literature and maybe 20 other novels. So from this we can assume that you have actually very little experience in reading.
This is not counting philosophy which is imo harder to read and understand than literature.
So basically you are an egotistical reddit poster and clearly a full time plebian.

anyone in college who claims to have no time for reading is full of shit unless they are working alongside it. And even then you should be able to read a dozen of books every year

>> No.6824377

>>6822366
Companies aren't forced to give you certain work hours

>> No.6824481

>>6822198
>different kind of intelligence
Lol

>> No.6824488

>>6822253
Actually, >>6822213 was about how /sci/ is so offensive to engineers.

>> No.6824498

>>6822144
>tripfag
>ayn rand

OH BOY

>> No.6824501

>>6822144
retire yourself and never come out pls

>> No.6824504

>>6822187
you are bad at writing funny possts

>> No.6824508

>>6822503
You forgot Tannu Tuva

>> No.6824510

>>6822344
What is human nature? Tell me, please.

>> No.6824538

>>6824510
The way humans act in their natural state with no government or threat of force against them

>> No.6824815

>>6822144
>Favorite book?
>Favorite quote?
all of them are awful

>one of the most well written thoughtful stories
degenerate

>> No.6825009

>goes to the most statist board on 4chan to discuss libertarianism
tell me OP, why are you such a faggot

>> No.6826824

>>6822366
Bismark was an anti socialist and he did a lot of these reforms